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I said… If you like it but it overlaps with a SH its 100% not meant to join.
Meaning if there are others you like and you think dont overlap, then make a case for them.
Why should I make a case for the characters that I like? You're not making any sense at all. When did liking Orochi make him possible as a nakama? Your demands are getting more absurd by the post.
Why should I make a case for the characters that I like? You're not making any sense at all. When did liking Orochi make him possible as a nakama? Your demands are getting more absurd by the post.
Aah theres your problem. Youre taking it as if I said everyone else not overlaping is free to join.
Never said that.
And let me be clear in that matter; if a character overlaps a SH, its done for.
If a character doesn't overlap and has an actual original concept, good, just passed the most important filter to be a SH, its got actual chances. now I just wait for anyone to make a case as to why said character should join.
Aah theres your problem. Youre taking it as if I said everyone else not overlaping is free to join.
Never said that.And let me be clear in that matter; if a character overlaps a SH, its done for.
If a character doesn't overlap and has an actual original concept, good, just passed the most important filter to be a SH, its got actual chances. now I just wait for anyone to make a case as to why said character should join.
Ok, let me make this easier for you. What do any of the characters that I like from recent arcs have to do with the nakama topic at all? You're dodging the question for some reason and addressing everything else.
I can't see any of them as possible, so why would you even bring them up. How does that develop in your brain? Is it magic or some other influence?
Ok, let me make this easier for you. What do any of the characters that I like from recent arcs have to do with the nakama topic at all? You're dodging the question for some reason and addressing everything else.
I can't see any of them as possible, so why would you even bring them up. How does that develop in your brain? Is it magic or some other influence?
YOU brought em up.
As said 'if' , that word alone should make you understand the context…
If you like them, and if you think they could join, make a case.
If you like them, but dont think could join, then dont bring them up, I dont care about them.
Please keep in mind that this is an international forum for people with different educational backgrounds. I understand that you can’t cater to everyone’s knowledge, but what you understand under doxa might vary between languages and disciplines, a philosopher might have a different understanding of the concept than a sociologist and even within their own disciplines, people might disagree on how to define it. Dropping it inside a one-liner without much of a context or explanation, just assuming people will understand you, seems highly pretentious to me. If there‘s no other one word for it try using multiple, that usually opens up your options. So feel free to try again in a way that more people may get your message.
I mean, my girlfriend finishes her Bachelor’s in sociology this summer and she was confused what your intended message was, because there are multiple meanings depending on who you ask
If you don't understand something, isn't it more useful to ask some precision than to accuse someone being pretentious ?
Like Nilitch says, wolfwood uses a very high level english vocabulary ( i've never heard blowhard or gaslighty quips words before) and none of us think he is pretentious.
YOU brought em up.
There's a character you like but overlaps way to much with an already member?? Chances are he/she will never join.
Contradiction number 5 and I haven't even made an argument here. You're holding yourself back from being decent at all in debating. The point of your loss was to get better. Not get worse than before
Contradiction number 5 and I haven't even made an argument here. You're holding yourself back from being decent at all in debating. The point of your loss was to get better. Not get worse than before
That was in general… -_-.
Well nevermind.
Look, there are three rules/conditions that are very consistent within 20 yesrs of One Piece. Those are;.
Original concept.
Goal/Dream.
Job in the ship.
And when a character dont pass the first one. Its pointless to debate the other two.
And its obviously the most important filter, cause dreams can be told hundreds of chapters after introduction and we didnt knew Oda was going to make Helsmanship cool.
Carrots has all odds against her as of right now, genuinely. Not just a 'Haters thing'.
If you don't understand something, isn't it more useful to ask some precision than to accuse someone being pretentious ?
Like Nilitch says, wolfwood uses a very high level english vocabulary ( i've never heard blowhard or gaslighty quips words before) and none of us think he is pretentious.
Fair enough. Could be a cultural thing, where i'm from inserting gratuitous Greek words into casual conversation tends to read as someone trying to show off, where as Nil may have gone for convenience in a way that reads as casual in French conversation styles. But Northern Europeans and Americans would probably assume someone had been waiting to slip that fancy word into a conversation
That was in general… -_-.
Well nevermind.
Look, there are three rules/conditions that are very consistent within 20 yesrs of One Piece. Those are;.
Original concept.
Goal/Dream.
Job in the ship.And when a character dont pass the first one. Its pointless to debate the other two.
And its obviously the most important filter, cause dreams can be told hundreds of chapters after introduction and we didnt knew Oda was going to make Helsmanship cool.
Carrots has all odds against her as of right now, genuinely. Not just a 'Haters thing'.
You got it, Oda. I knew you were on 1 of these forums
You got it, Oda. I knew you were on 1 of these forums
Well sorry for being logical and having nearly 1000 chapters backing me up.
Well sorry for being logical and having nearly 1000 chapters backing me up.
Contradiction number 6
You asked me to show you a rule that is based on 1 of my criteria and I said that there is no rule, just the criteria that I go by. This was post 4222, I think
Now 3 thread pages later, you post 2 of my criteria as part of your list of rules 
How are you still losing, post debate? This is crazy. See why I advised you to let it go, wow
I gotta let you continue on your own. This isn't healthy at all
Contradiction number 6
You asked me to show you a rule that is based on 1 of my criteria and I said that there is no rule, just the criteria that I go by. This was post 4222, I think
Now 3 thread pages later, you post 2 of my criteria as part of your list of rules [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/OcZSfG1.png[/qimg]
How are you still losing, post debate? This is crazy. See why I advised you to let it go, wow
I gotta let you continue on your own. This isn't healthy at all
Total nonsense, none of those high as Burj Khalifa ego posts support Carrot's case at all, Just so you know.
Actually, I remember you calling your own rule, "irrelevant". You have to be breaking some kind of record here Oda
Yes, And I now called it "pointless"
As long as a character can't go thru the Original Concept rule, talking about goals and roles is both irrelevant and pointless thats right.
First time we reach an agreement eeh?
Yes, And I now called it "pointless"
As long as a character can't go thru the Original Concept rule, talking about goals and roles is both irrelevant and pointless thats right.
First time we reach an agreement eeh?
Contradictions, convenience, moving of goalpost, attempting to reignite arguments that you lost. Is this what you always do?
I hope you don't delete this. I need to show this to the next brave soul as what not to do
Contradictions, convenience, moving of goalpost, attempting to reignite arguments that you lost. Is this what you always do?
I hope you don't delete this. I need to show this to the next brave soul as what not to do
Another post that doesnt support Carrots case at all.
How surprising..
Thats really how the usual fan of X character can't get thru the idea of realizing he's wrong about said character joining.
Seen it dozens of times.
Thats really how the usual fan of X character can't get thru the idea of realizing he's wrong about said character joining.
Seen it dozens of times.
You're gonna find a way to say you didn't bring it up again, so I won't ask what Orochi, Streussen or Madara have to do with this. I will just chuck it up to you not understanding what you say and when you said it
If you don't understand something, isn't it more useful to ask some precision than to accuse someone being pretentious ?
Like Nilitch says, wolfwood uses a very high level english vocabulary ( i've never heard blowhard or gaslighty quips words before) and none of us think he is pretentious.
If I don’t understand something I’m all for educating myself if possible, which is why I looked up „doxa“ and on seeing that it’s got several meanings, asked someone who I know has a thorough understanding of the topic. Also for clarification, I don’t think using words like that makes you pretentious but rather the mindset „I know what it means and I learned it in a specific course high school of which I’m aware that not everyone might have had it, but still everyone who graduated high school should know it“.
Also, I feel like words like blowhard, gaslighting or quips are way more common than doxa and even if not, much more understandable from context. But again, it’s not the use of certain words but the expectation to be understood
You're gonna find a way to say you didn't bring it up again, so I won't ask what Orochi, Streussen or Madara have to do with this. I will just chuck it up to you not understanding what you say and when you said it
Yet anoooother post not making it any better for Carrot.
Yiiihaaaw
That was in general… -_-.
Well nevermind.
Look, there are three rules/conditions that are very consistent within 20 yesrs of One Piece. Those are;.
Original concept.
Goal/Dream.
Job in the ship.And when a character dont pass the first one. Its pointless to debate the other two.
And its obviously the most important filter, cause dreams can be told hundreds of chapters after introduction and we didnt knew Oda was going to make Helsmanship cool.
Carrots has all odds against her as of right now, genuinely. Not just a 'Haters thing'.
How would you describe Robin's original concept?
Zou was five years ago?! Jeez, I am old.
If I don’t understand something I’m all for educating myself if possible, which is why I looked up „doxa“ and on seeing that it’s got several meanings, asked someone who I know has a thorough understanding of the topic. Also for clarification, I don’t think using words like that makes you pretentious but rather the mindset „I know what it means and I learned it in a specific course high school of which I’m aware that not everyone might have had it, but still everyone who graduated high school should know it“.
Also, I feel like words like blowhard, gaslighting or quips are way more common than doxa and even if not, much more understandable from context. But again, it’s not the use of certain words but the expectation to be understood
Nillitch answer to wolfwood that you need a philosophic degree to know that word. Doxa is used in french journalism in ready made expression like Communism doxa.
Those english idioms may be common to english speaking people but they are not common in an "international forum"
All in all, this sounds more like cultural difference than being pretentious
Nillitch answer to wolfwood that you need a philosophic degree to know that word. Doxa is used in french journalism in ready made expression like Communism doxa.
Those english idioms may be common to english speaking people but they are not common in an "international forum"
All in all, this sounds more like cultural difference than being pretentious
I sent you a message as to not further disrupt the ever repeating discussion with no new input or arguments
Nillitch answer to wolfwood that you need a philosophic degree to know that word. Doxa is used in french journalism in ready made expression like Communism doxa.
Those english idioms may be common to english speaking people but they are not common in an "international forum"
All in all, this sounds more like cultural difference than being pretentious
When you think about it, it is a smidge unfair that no one thinks it is pretentious to slip English words into everyday conversations, i guess it is because it is the common gutter tongue so no one would think to impress someone by speaking English. But if an English speakers slips in some French word or term then we just pulled into pretention city. Oh well c'est la vie
Haven't they heard we won the war
What do they keep on fighting for?
Personally, I'd rather have Jinbei actually stay with the crew for more then one god damn arc, then we can talk about the last member.
Okay, considering the flashback will still be in full swing for the next couple of weeks, it seems like going in circles is all we can expect. I think for everyone's sanity, we need to put a pause on the discussion at least until the story is back in the present day.
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All right, the story's back on Luffy, Wano's endgame is here and no break next week. Seems like a good time to try this once more. Good luck, everyone!
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Well, if this flashback has strengthened anyone's case, I'd say that's probably Momonosuke. Specially with that last scene with Kaido implying he only wants to be shogun because his mommy told him to.
I have a bit of hope in the Klabautermann now that it seems The Sunny did recieve damage.
Really hope we get this explained right next chapter to not hold hopes in ridiculous Wadatsumi-like plots saving the Sunny by sinking it.
I still think we have yet to meet our last crew member yet
I'm gonna keep it a buck, I don't see the difference between ch 970 and now. Where's the new manga proof for anybody?
Aside from that, I don't know if there will be anyone after Jinbe. I remember hearing someone say that Oda implied or flat out said multiple nakama after Brook, but never seen the interview or SBS source myself.
We are back to the present. That's all.
What do you guys think, will the last crewmember have a devil fruit or not?
A better question is: What role does the crew still need? I can't really think of anything.
Maybe it's not a pirate ship role but something they don't know they need yet, like Robin being an archeologist
Aside from that, I don't know if there will be anyone after Jinbe. I remember hearing someone say that Oda implied or flat out said multiple nakama after Brook, but never seen the interview or SBS source myself.
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2014/07/04/eiichiro-oda-interview-with-china-times/
Mind that this is a few years old so he could have meant the Grand Fleet members joining one after another, not multiple additions to the (core-)crew.
Maybe it's not a pirate ship role but something they don't know they need yet, like Robin being an archeologist
Yeah. What else is needed? I got nothing.
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2014/07/04/eiichiro-oda-interview-with-china-times/
Mind that this is a few years old so he could have meant the Grand Fleet members joining one after another.
Thank you for this.
I still firmly believe we have one member left
maybe that should be our new poll, is Jinbei the last member or not?
I guess we can't complain, we haven't seen the tenth titan either.
Hope that guy gets introduced by the end of Act III.
Eh, see the discussion is still live and strong (somehow).
My opinion hasn't changed, it's still Carrot for me. Out of all the characters we've seen post-timeskip and outside Jinbe, she still has the best chance to join compared to many candidates in the past.
"Best chance" is not necessarily "good chance" and I don't even agree that Carrot has the "best chance". That would be Vivi.
Carrot wasn't given the attention that the rest of the crew got in their introduction arc so if she is meant to join that would be a huge letdown.
Also, it seems that I was right when I posted this back in July of last year.
My guess is on Kanjuro. He was captured by the DD Pirates and left relatively unharmed in captivity. Not to mention he is one of the 3 samurais to potentially have a vivre card to Zou. However it is interesting to note that the plan had been spilled after the Straw Hats laid it out.
Personally, he is the most suspicious.
EDIT: Let me extrapolate further. Kinemon explains that they all were separate, but they knew Raizo was going towards Zou. They might have gotten cards for Raizo so that they could reconvene with him, considering Zou is a constantly mobile island. Kinemon got separated with Kanjuro and ended up on Punk Hard. Also note that they could find Zou based off a vivre card. A vivre card belonging to Raizo. And the attack on Zou happened days before the Swirly Hats arrived on Zou. That's my conclusion anyways.
To think people honestly thought the traitor would be Carrot. lol
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"Best chance" is not necessarily "good chance" and I don't even agree that Carrot has the "best chance". That would be Vivi.
Carrot wasn't given the attention that the rest of the crew got in their introduction arc so if she is meant to join that would be a huge letdown.
Vivi is an "honorary" member. Besides, Vivi said it best. She can't abandon Alabasta because as much as she liked sailing with the Straw Hats, she loves her country even more.
I said she has the best chance out of any of the candidates post-timeskip and I still stand by that.
Being an "honorary" member means she can't join for real? Also, maybe you forgot or you missed it but something went down with Vivi and Alabasta at the "Levely" so that could change things.
Like I said though; "best chance" is not "good chance". And I still stand by Vivi having the "best chance". Carrot has once again faded into the background this arc despite being in it. That's not how Oda treated characters that were meant to join. So huge let down if she does join.
Carrot still won't join.
Tacking on a last minute crew member would suck regardless of who it was. Just have Jinbei close the door behind him and stuff anyone who doesn't have any history with the crew into the fleet. Vivi can stay if she wants tho, she is grandfathered in
