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In general, I don't give too much weight to the "All Strawhats Must Have a Different Hair Color (except for the half of them that have black…)" argument, but I will point out that Vivi's hair is a darker shade of blue than Franky's, at least in the manga version.
May only be a slight difference compared to others, but possibly enough to differentiate them on the color spectrum.
And Carrot's hair is lighter than Sanji's.
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They don't look similar, they are the same. フ, ブ and プ are the same syllable. The diacritics are included in the last two cases for phonetic purposes, but they are the same. Think of them roughly as accents: "a, á, ã" are all the same letter (a).
Well, my mistake then. Even though they're the same letter, there's still a phonetic difference like you said.
And yes, that's the whole point, unless you believe Oda is so worried about not repeating the same letter for two SH in latin alphabet but not about doing the same in his own alphabet (the one the manga is actually written in).
Who's to say he wasn't? Maybe he just liked the sound and spelling of "FRANKY" and "BROOK" and didn't mind that the first character of their names in kanji were the same. The diacritics making them sound phonetically different when spoken aloud might have helped, too.
That's just my theory.
And despite recent romanizations (Levely), I'm confident that Oda at least recognizes the differences in the latin alphabet for the names of his crew. He has written "LUFFY, ZORO, NAMI, etc." thousands of times by now.
Well, my mistake then. Even though they're the same letter, there's still a phonetic difference like you said.
Just like there's a phonetic diference between Chopper (tsh) and Carrot (ka).
And now that I think about it… Its very possible that he would actually end up spelling her name with a K considering how much she's a play on Goku (Kakarot).
I would prefer her to never appear again than to have to call her Karrot.
But seriously, that was some injustice demoting Carue to the nosebleed seats. He's no longer a Straw Hat?
Yeah. Your human privileges are showing, Vivi.
But seriously, Carue being left out pisses me off more than it should.
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I would prefer her to never appear again than to have to call her Karrot.
Thankfully, VIZ would keep calling her Carrot for consistency's sake.
I'm glad the Vivre Cards seem to be the real deal. It's great to see Jinbe official for once, but it'll be hard to be truly happy until he gets back into the story and onto the colorspreads where he belongs.
It's honestly hard to imagine Carrot being given a number outside the number range of the Zou set, since it'll begin printing within six months. In the same vein, I still think she's due for some sort of focus between now and the day of the Fire Festival. It's possible all of that could come together in time, but I can only be so optimistic.
Well, six months is better than 1&1/2 - 2 years to settle things.
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I'm glad the Vivre Cards seem to be the real deal. It's great to see Jinbe official for once, but it'll be hard to be truly happy until he gets back into the story and onto the colorspreads where he belongs.
It's honestly hard to imagine Carrot being given a number outside the number range of the Zou set, since it'll begin printing within six months. In the same vein, I still think she's due for some sort of focus between now and the day of the Fire Festival. It's possible all of that could come together in time, but I can only be so optimistic.
Well, six months is better than 1&1/2 - 2 years to settle things.
If it gets to that point and she hasn't joined the crew yet I think they'd just skip over her card for the time being. The Zou expansion pack doesn't come out until July of next year. Maybe we'll get a mid-arc join?
If it gets to that point and she hasn't joined the crew yet I think they'd just skip over her card for the time being. The Zou expansion pack doesn't come out until July of next year. Maybe we'll get a mid-arc join?
That was something I considered too, but I think it's a bit too much to hope for. Her absence would be way too conspicuous, and there's no way she'll outright join in 20 chapters, especially with Jinbe still out of the picture. Again, I'm holding out hope for some development to happen before then, but it could be too little, too late.
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That was something I considered too, but I think it's a bit too much to hope for. Her absence would be way too conspicuous, and there's no way she'll outright join in 20 chapters, especially with Jinbe still out of the picture. Again, I'm holding out hope for some development to happen before then, but it could be too little, too late.
Good point. That's a lot of ground to cover in 20 chapters. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Wano will be a long arc, so I'm kind of feeling an intermission at some point, either around the time of whenever the prison break happens or something going down at the fire festival. Maybe Jinbe shows up around then too. idk
I agree the timings awkward but its possible they just skip over her card no matter how conspicuous it is. I mean we've almost indirectly confirmed that there'll be 12 Strawhats given the missing entries.
And despite recent romanizations (Levely), I'm confident that Oda at least recognizes the differences in the latin alphabet for the names of his crew. He has written "LUFFY, ZORO, NAMI, etc." thousands of times by now.
And yet we still get FLANKY every now and again.
English ain't Oda's language. He makes mistakes in it.
a Wano-kunian joining would make more sense, given they been living in a dictatorship for 20 years because of what Oden learnt with Roger, so it would be pretty cool that someone from Wano goes like 'I want to know why we'been closed and why Oden wanted to open up things' and join the SH's.
but given the coolest Wano-kunians are either children or Kin'emon who's highly tied to Wano and would hardly leave, it just leaves it all to keep waiting for BoneSpitter to not be a Raizo or a ShutenMaru design, or if Witching Hour Boy is at least 15, or I don't know, personally I would introduce a crewmember in the island based on my own country, I would, Don't know if Oda would too.
And yet we still get FLANKY every now and again.
English ain't Oda's language. He makes mistakes in it.
Wasn't the Flanky spelling from a video game and some merchandise?
I don't think that was ever in the manga.
Wasn't the Flanky spelling from a video game and some merchandise?
I don't think that was ever in the manga.
It's shown up in the manga a couple times, but gets corrected for the trades.
Often in a single panel for one of Franky's inventions, surrounded by other panels of it being spelled right. (So I assume its an assistant thing… but it gets past everyone for print all the same.)
Official volume classification for characters. Straw Hat page. Jimbei is where exactly?… Still not an official crew member it seems.
Oda better have a damn good reason for jerking us around like this with Jimbei. I actually thought it was finally settled since he was placed with the strawhats in the cards, but I guess we're not done with this yet…
Oda wants to keep the tensio which is non existent and poorly predicted the release of Jinbe's vivrecard.
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As far as the manga goes, Jinbei is an official Strawhat. He ain't dead. He'll show up in Wano and likely get his official chapter at the conclusion of it. Just chill, don't fret over what all these extra sources say or don't say
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Not gonna lie… Whether it is meant to imply her eventual return or merely a long overdue recognition of her time with the crew, it feels REALLY good to see Vivi as part of a group shot again.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
Chopper was 15 when he joined, but he proved to Luffy he was more than capable of taking care of himself when he found out that Chopper had 7 transformations.
Then that's only 1 or 2 years younger than Luffy when he first started. Plus you have to be more mentally mature in order to learn a thing like medicine so obviously his animal physiology came into play as far as making him old enough to grasp these things despite his human-relative age.
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In reindeer years, Chopper should have died of old age before the series even started. Clearly Oda ignore "reindeer" years completely.
Sure, but that nothing to do with the post I was answering to.
You're not thinking about this clearly enough. Reindeer years that ought to have killed him already but are clearly mitigated by him having eaten a human DF. He gets the benefit of having matured at a faster rate than a human before consuming it, but without the limited lifespan thanks to his human mutation. He gets to have his cake and eat it too. The matter is settled and you were wrong. Get over it.
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Not gonna lie… Whether it is meant to imply her eventual return or merely a long overdue recognition of her time with the crew, it feels REALLY good to see Vivi as part of a group shot again.
I laughed because on mobile for me Jinbe is cut off until I scroll right
I want a Bird/Bird-Human/Bird Zoan nakama after Jinbe. He could form a tag team with Chopper.
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@$;3951511']I want a Bird/Bird-Human/Bird Zoan nakama after Jinbe. He could form a tag team with Chopper.
They're already overburdened with DF users as it is. Someone with uber master ninja skills like we've seen from several Wano residents would be the best choice for someone with amazing powers that don't require DF magic. The only other thing like that which might have worked was if the fairies from Dressrosa were just that, but they weren't.
what about a crew mate that fights like a pirate
Like with a bandana, eye patch, peg leg and cutlass/flintlock combo? Where's the fun in that? Haven't we seen all of those stereotypes in various combinations? Why lump them all into one person? One Piece isn't cliche like that.
It bother me a bit that we now have those confirmations that Vivi is, and will always be, a Strawhat, even if she's not in the journey with them at the moment. I always thought that, so I was really surprised when Vivi faded into the princesses backgroud during the Reverie. I thought she would have been an excellent point of view character, but the most memorable scene with her is that time she and Rebecca looked like the same person: that 's it, that's what I remember of her from the whole Reverie, (except for Im's photo of Vivi).
Jinbe is in, at least in the youtube channel.
chosing Vivi who's been gone for 100000 chapters over Carrot kind of shows who really matters for Oda.
They're already overburdened with DF users as it is. Someone with uber master ninja skills like we've seen from several Wano residents would be the best choice for someone with amazing powers that don't require DF magic. The only other thing like that which might have worked was if the fairies from Dressrosa were just that, but they weren't.
It could be a Birdman from Big News Morgans' race.
ScotchInformer posted an interesting "cover process" on the Volume 91 thread. It shows the cover originally had not just Tama but also Komachiyo. This pretty much shows it was not meant to be a SH-only or SH+Tama-only cover originally but just got there as he kept tweaking the design.
It makes you think how much we can take any cover as a point (yes, including the supposedly "Carrot among SH" one) as we don't have access to the same process to know if those were actually meant to show what they ended up showing or just ended that way because aesthetics.
You're not thinking about this clearly enough. Reindeer years that ought to have killed him already but are clearly mitigated by him having eaten a human DF. He gets the benefit of having matured at a faster rate than a human before consuming it, but without the limited lifespan thanks to his human mutation. He gets to have his cake and eat it too. The matter is settled and you were wrong. Get over it.
What the fuck? You come answering to a post 5 days old with a "this is settled" (this what?) attitude you took out your ass and telling me to get over it? Screw you, I can take an attitude from users with good enough posts to cover for it, not your case. Straight to ignore list.
It bother me a bit that we now have those confirmations that Vivi is, and will always be, a Strawhat, even if she's not in the journey with them at the moment. I always thought that, so I was really surprised when Vivi faded into the princesses backgroud during the Reverie. I thought she would have been an excellent point of view character, but the most memorable scene with her is that time she and Rebecca looked like the same person: that 's it, that's what I remember of her from the whole Reverie, (except for Im's photo of Vivi).
Vivi getting in Rob Lucci's face over the attempted kidnapping of her new mermaid friend was a VERY memorable scene to me, but aside from that I think her "fading into the princess background" was partly intentional…
Out of the Pastel Pirate Princess Brigade, the Reverie arc put a lot of the spotlight on Shirahoshi and I think that was meant to lead the reader to think that 'Hoshi would therefore be the "central figure" of later events, only for Im's photo to suddenly pull the rug out from under us at the last second and make us think "Wait, they're after Vivi?!" before cutting away to Wano.
Perhaps less effective on those of us scrutinizing and theorizing on a weekly basis than it would be on a casual reader, though... I, for one, have been on a Baroque Works nostalgia trip ever since Vivi reappeared after Dressrosa, so I've been fully expecting her to reintegrate into the plot (in one fashion or another) for years now.
Jinbe is in, at least in the youtube channel.
chosing Vivi who's been gone for 100000 chapters over Carrot kind of shows who really matters for Oda.
Jinbe and Vivi are confirmed Strawhats ("Currently Absent" and "Former" though they may be).
Carrot, at best, is a prospective Strawhat. That makes a difference.
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He's not a mink? So are there fishmen, birdmen and then minks are just all the purely land-based animals?
He's not a mink? So are there fishmen, birdmen and then minks are just all the purely land-based animals?
Yes. Further Minks are only animals with fur.
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I could have sworn there were some like reptiles or elephants or something. Maybe those were anime only.
I could have sworn there were some like reptiles or elephants or something. Maybe those were anime only.
or from covers, there are several with humanoid reptiles
As far as the manga goes, Jinbei is an official Strawhat.
What? No, that's the whole problem, as far as the manga goes, Jimbei isn't an official strawhat. He isn't in the intro page and he isn't in the colour spreads.
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I could have sworn there were some like reptiles or elephants or something. Maybe those were anime only.
You might be thinking of the gentleman Croc from WCI. He was a crocodile infused with BM's power, not a mink.
Purely coincidence
Via redon in the 20th Anniversary Thread…
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Not gonna lie… Whether it is meant to imply her eventual return or merely a long overdue recognition of her time with the crew, it feels REALLY good to see Vivi as part of a group shot again.
Okay, it was more of a crack theory for me but now I'm really starting to believe Vivi will get on the Sunny after Wano.
Her vivre card recognizing her as a former straw hat and her being present on a colored group shot of the crew (When was the last time it happened??) , both things being published at almost the same time is weird. We know something will happen during the Reverie and 'I'm not sure she will be safe in Alabasta anymore, especially if she's the light to be extinguished.
Maybe I'm simply looking too much into, but I think her return is being implied.
intro pages and colorspreads are outside the OPuniverse
in series, Jinbe left BM to join Luffy, and Luffy declared to be Jinbe's captain, he is in the crew and therefore a Strawhat.
What? No, that's the whole problem, as far as the manga goes, Jimbei isn't an official strawhat. He isn't in the intro page and he isn't in the colour spreads.
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You might be thinking of the gentleman Croc from WCI. He was a crocodile infused with BM's power, not a mink.
Maybe. I feel like I saw some non-furry minks in something recently, and I know I watched the Jack fight on youtube within the last couple of weeks.
Like with a bandana, eye patch, peg leg and cutlass/flintlock combo? Where's the fun in that? Haven't we seen all of those stereotypes in various combinations? Why lump them all into one person? One Piece isn't cliche like that.
How about purely ninja design but they fight like a pirate and say arr and all that.
intro pages and colorspreads are outside the OPuniverse
in series, Jinbe left BM to join Luffy, and Luffy declared to be Jinbe's captain, he is in the crew and therefore a Strawhat.
He's quit Big Mom to join Luffy and is all signed up and everything, but he hasn't actually shown up to his first day yet so still not quite a Straw Hat.
he is in the crew and therefore a Strawhat.
Oda literally wrote down a list of the people in the strawhat crew at the start of the book and Jimbei wasn't on it.
he's listed as tenth on Vivre Card, that's like no more question.
It feels so uncharacteristic with all the teasings from Oda.
We had several years with nothing but steady and reliable hints that Jinbei is joining, and now we have possible three new crewmates including Vivi? Crazy.
Jimbe is technically a Strawhat, but effectivelly not (for now).
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I don't think Vivi will come back right after Wano, but I do think they'll meet again before the end game, like a personal guide to the Strawhats about the current crisis of the world, leading them against the World Government.
he's listed as tenth on Vivre Card, that's like no more question.
It's just cashgrab supplementary material that still glosses over a ton of stuff. He's still not on the ship, so I don't really care what it says since the actual manga doesn't treat him as a fully included member. He's only been treated as Straw Hat in theory so far, not in practice. This is just pointless teasing at this point.
It's just cashgrab supplementary material that still glosses over a ton of stuff. He's still not on the ship, so I don't really care what it says since the actual manga doesn't treat him as a fully included member. He's only been treated as Straw Hat in theory so far, not in practice. This is just pointless teasing at this point.
Oda did mentioned in the recent SBS that vivre card is cannon…
It's just cashgrab supplementary material that still glosses over a ton of stuff. He's still not on the ship, so I don't really care what it says since the actual manga doesn't treat him as a fully included member. He's only been treated as Straw Hat in theory so far, not in practice. This is just pointless teasing at this point.
If this doesn't confirm that he is a strawhat idk what else will convince you.
Oda did mentioned in the recent SBS that vivre card is cannon…
It's canon yes, but manga canonicity overrides that, and he's still not actually around in the story proper. I like that they're acknowledging it slowly more and more outside of the manga, but he's actually included in the intro pages, color spreads, physically with the crew, etc, it doesn't feel like his initiation has been finalized.
If this doesn't confirm that he is a strawhat idk what else will convince you.
It's just more teasing for me. He could have actually hopped on at that point, but instead he just left again. It's not really that different than when he left at the end of FI, just now Luffy is making sure Jinbe has to come back to join their journey. He's still being excluded and it's annoying.
whatever reason Oda is been keeping him off, I think is highly connected to Sanji and how he hasn't achieved taking down any big name so far.
M3 would've been Luffy, Zoro and Jinbe Thrughout PH, Dressrosa and Zou.
whatever reason Oda is been keeping him off, I think is highly connected to Sanji and how he hasn't achieved taking down any big name so far.
M3 would've been Luffy, Zoro and Jinbe Thrughout PH, Dressrosa and Zou.
I think it's just the bounty. Oda probably wants Zoro and Sanji to surpass Jinbe's 438M, which is likely after this arc.
