I kind of had the feeling that someone probably got "frustrated" and reported or something, last time the thread got closed down. Just waited for someone to admit it. That other excuse made no sense. It's exactly why I questioned the re-opening. There's no difference in the manga, that person just felt comfortable to talk about it again. It is interesting that threads can be closed and re-opened depending on 1 person's temperament and composure when it comes to discussing a fictional series. It's ok to disagree, not the end of the world
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Wouldn't that make way more sense for Coby?
You know the SH's know that he's a Marine, right?
Luffy knows that he wouldn't abandon his dream and become a pirate.
Even though Luffy would trust him the others and especially Zoro wouldn't. So that wouldn't work.Drake on the other hand is officially a pirate and a Supernova, it would be easier for him to infiltrate a pirate crew.
But something like that is not necessary.
I kind of had the feeling that someone probably got "frustrated" and reported or something, last time the thread got closed down. Just waited for someone to admit it. That other excuse made no sense. It's exactly why I questioned the re-opening. There's no difference in the manga, that person just felt comfortable to talk about it again. It is interesting that threads can be closed and re-opened depending on 1 person's temperament and composure when it comes to discussing a fictional series. It's ok to disagree, not the end of the world
If it were that easy, believe me, I would've done it multiple times with this damn thread.
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You know the SH's know that he's a Marine, right?
Luffy knows that he wouldn't abandon his dream and become a pirate.
Even though Luffy would trust him the others and especially Zoro wouldn't. So that wouldn't work.Drake on the other hand is officially a pirate and a Supernova, it would be easier for him to infiltrate a pirate crew.
But something like that is not necessary.
If it were that easy, believe me, I would've done it multiple times with this damn thread.
You've been here way longer than me, so i'll take your word for it. I was wrong on this.
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I kind of had the feeling that someone probably got "frustrated" and reported or something, last time the thread got closed down. Just waited for someone to admit it. That other excuse made no sense. It's exactly why I questioned the re-opening. There's no difference in the manga, that person just felt comfortable to talk about it again. It is interesting that threads can be closed and re-opened depending on 1 person's temperament and composure when it comes to discussing a fictional series. It's ok to disagree, not the end of the world
It was not closed due to any one person or post. The new crewmate threads have a tendency of getting testy, especially in periods where there's low to no Straw Hat activity, and once in a while the thread gets locked to let things cool off. The difference now is that with the flashback over, there should hopefully be new info to discuss and a clearer end point with the battle against Kaido imminent.
Part of our jobs as mods is making those calls. We want folks to treat each other fairly and respectfully here, and if a certain topic can't be discussed civilly by a majority of users, it may need to be halted temporarily or permanently. But we do want feedback if you ever think we've acted out of line, so please feel free to PM any of us in yellow, green or grey if there's an issue to discuss.
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I still want Crocodile to join
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You spelled Wicca wrong.
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You spelled Pekoms wrong.
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Wicca and Zoro got along
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Oh, this takes me back to the Dressrosa days.
When there were so many characters people were arguing about and it seemed like someone had to join, since there were so many options and it was about time (it'd been so long since Brook joined). And here we're, seven years later, and we haven't even picked up Jinbe yet.
I expected Wano would be a repeat a Dressrosa in that regard, but there are only three new characters in the poll, and the only one that really gets talked about sometimes is Tama. Kawamatsu was only a thing before we knew anything about him, and I don't think I've seen anyone argue Hiyori's case.
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I expect Luffy to make the same promise to Tama that Ace did, as bland as people may find that.
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After seeing it argued a thousand times about Carrot I’m surprised nobody has argued that Tama has a bland design
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Oh, this takes me back to the Dressrosa days.
When there were so many characters people were arguing about and it seemed like someone had to join, since there were so many options and it was about time (it'd been so long since Brook joined). And here we're, seven years later, and we haven't even picked up Jinbe yet.
I expected Wano would be a repeat a Dressrosa in that regard, but there are only three new characters in the poll, and the only one that really gets talked about sometimes is Tama. Kawamatsu was only a thing before we knew anything about him, and I don't think I've seen anyone argue Hiyori's case.
Well, technically many people joined the Strawhats at Dressrosa.
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How many SH were talked about and Luffy wanted them (not their position) before they appeared?
I think Zoro and Brook are the only ones. He didn't know about Chopper, Nami, Usopp, etc before they appeared.
If Jinbe isn't the last, I wonder if this can happen for another character in the future.
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How many SH were talked about and Luffy wanted them (not their position) before they appeared?
I think Zoro and Brook are the only ones. He didn't know about Chopper, Nami, Usopp, etc before they appeared.
If Jinbe isn't the last, I wonder if this can happen for another character in the future.
Again, I've said it a bunch of times, there's two more races out there that we don't know about (one of them King belongs to)
I'd bet money that if Luffy saw some really cool humanoid he's never seen before he'd instantly offer them a position
Just wonder what else is out there, maybe faries and elves…. or just something Oda himself created
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Again, I've said it a bunch of times, there's two more races out there that we don't know about (one of them King belongs to)
I'd bet money that if Luffy saw some really cool humanoid he's never seen before he'd instantly offer them a position
Just wonder what else is out there, maybe faries and elves…. or just something Oda himself created
Sounds like Luffy to be enamored by something different. Also, I gotta scratch off Brook because I was wrong. Luffy didn't vocalize the thought until after Brook had greeted them
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As long as Oda doesn't publicly aknowledge Zoro for the position, we're lacking a Vice-Captain.
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Their is no need for a "public" vice-captain.
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No no no, just a Vice Captain.
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Sounds like Luffy to be enamored by something different. Also, I gotta scratch off Brook because I was wrong. Luffy didn't vocalize the thought until after Brook had greeted them
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Yeah if Luffy gets that excited over things like a zombie unicorn and zombie tree and centaurs I don’t see why one of the two races left wouldn’t get the same reaction
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No no no, just a Vice Captain.
I meant that no one in the crew had been aknowledged for the position.I don't think Luffy needs an officicial vice captain.
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Kawamatsu is less like due to being a Zorotard. We already have 2 Zoro stans in the crew. Doubt Oda cares to add more
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What are you talking about?
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I could see more pets like zeus join, not actual nakama. Like maybe prometheus so the brothers can be reunited, or the fox from garaveyard ringo, usopp will get a bird maybe.
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I don't think so. Zeus "joined" because Nami can put him in her staff. Prometheus can "join" too if Nami can put him in her staff but no one else.
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Zoro stans - Luffy and ChopperZorotard - Kawamatsu
Proof
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! [qimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETMXnJzWkAA1DqT?format=jpg&name=360x360[/qimg]That's what you think stops Kawamatsu from joining?
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I don't think so. Zeus "joined" because Nami can put him in her staff. Prometheus can "join" too if Nami can put him in her staff but no one else.
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That's what you think stops Kawamatsu from joining?
Nah, it's joke. Do you think Kawamatsu has a chance of joining the SH crew?
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No. I think Kawamatsu will end up being Onimaru's new master when the arc is over.
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No no no, just a Vice Captain.
I meant that no one in the crew had been aknowledged for the position.Imagine the last crewmate randomly joining as vice-captain.
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Imagine the last crewmate randomly joining as vice-captain.
Shilliew came fifth to join BB, and he's the Second Captain.
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No one challenges Luffy as a captain or brings perspective to the crew more than Zoro. We can get technical and say that he's never gotten the title or acknowledged by the crew as that, but we all see it in this character's narrative. The closest is Sanji, Nami and Jinbe that i've seen taking charge, bringing perspective or challenging Luffy as a leader.
I know some might look at it as who's the most powerful, but I don't think that holds as much weight compared to the characteristics of a Vice Captain. Through the flashbacks, we see Scopper and Rayleigh in the front of things and Roger interacting with Rayleigh more. He's made more vocal and given more focus. Roger selfishly running pass Scopper and Rayleigh is almost similar to Luffy moving Zoro and Sanji aside to perform CoC on the enemies in FI arc from a perspective of dynamics. Yeah, the situation is totally different, but the optics of the 2 crew members that want to take the heavier loads, losing out to a vibrant character is evident.
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Zoro may not be officially named Vice-Captain, but he's recognized as one by others outside the Straw Hats.
That's Oda's subtle way of telling you Zoro is the Vice-Captain.
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Shilliew came fifth to join BB, and he's the Second Captain.
Yeah, but Burgess is First Captain and he's been with Blackbeard since we've met them.
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Wonder if Rayleigh also got lost all the time.
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Brannew or other marines I think have called him like that a couple of times I think. but it keeps being weird that Oda hesitates so much to make it official in SBS´s or the Vibre Card album.
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Zoro may not be officially named Vice-Captain, but he's recognized as one by others outside the Straw Hats.
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That's Oda's subtle way of telling you Zoro is the Vice-Captain.
No. That is Oda's subtle way of saying he is perceived as such. Bartolomeo said something similar. His official role in the crew is "combatant".
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Who in the crew is not a combatant? Is there someone who never fights at all?
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Who in the crew is not a combatant? Is there someone who never fights at all?
It's sort of like a role of someone who specializes primarily in fighting, like they are first into the fight. Like, in the Age of Sail, every naval ship had a squadron of marines. Kind of like that.
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Who in the crew is not a combatant? Is there someone who never fights at all?
That isn't the point. Oda's official title for Zoro is "combatant". No one else in the crew has that title.
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No. That is Oda's subtle way of saying he is perceived as such. Bartolomeo said something similar. His official role in the crew is "combatant".
Yet time and time again people refer to him as such.
Inside the crew, his position is "Swordsman" because that's what Luffy recruited him as. Like, what kind of ship has a position for "Musician" or "Archaeologist?" Only the Straw Hats. Outside the crew, however, that's how he's viewed. And as such, that's what his status to everyone around them, not internally.
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Not to be to technical but Zoro's official role outlined in the volume entries is Fighter, which in the series is not unique to only him. Pekoms, Baron Tamago and Bobbins have all been listed as "Fighters".
But for all intents and purposes, Zoro is the vice-captain at least in role.
I remember the draft photos of the crew in DataBook Green with Usopp as the official VC. Really interesting how Oda changed his mind from not only removing Usopp from that position to making Zoro the pseudo VC. I assume that he doesn't officially give Zoro that title because he feels it would hurt the family dynamic of the crew, like he doesn't like the increased emphasis, idk my two cents.
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A lot of good points being made.
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Musician and archeologist exist in real life.
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Musician and archeologist exist in real life.
Yeah, but I'm talking in regards to roles/positions on a pirate ship. That's close to nonexistent.
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Yet time and time again people refer to him as such.
Inside the crew, his position is "Swordsman" because that's what Luffy recruited him as. Like, what kind of ship has a position for "Musician" or "Archaeologist?" Only the Straw Hats. Outside the crew, however, that's how he's viewed. And as such, that's what his status to everyone around them, not internally.
No. In the volumes he is listed as "combatant". That's all I'm saying.
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No. In the volumes he is listed as "combatant". That's all I'm saying.
Its just semantics based on translation: Swordsman, Fighter, Combatant. They all boil down to the same thing. That's his official position on the crew.
HOWEVER, from an outsiders point of view, Zoro is recognized as the Vice-Captain/First Mate of the Straw Hats. While that position is strictly unofficial and not really addressed among the crew, Zoro is technically the "First Mate" in a literal sense as he was the first person to join Luffy's "crew" on his adventure to find One Piece and is the crew member that has been sailing with Luffy the longest. Their first meeting even parallels Roger with Rayleigh.
So while not official, that's basically a status he has. Oda wouldn't have characters saying that and have direct parallels between Roger/Luffy and Rayleigh/Zoro for no reason.
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So while not official, that's basically a status he has. Oda wouldn't have characters saying that and have direct parallels between Roger/Luffy and Rayleigh/Zoro for no reason.
Even tho I look at it from a perspective of how the crew interacts, I don't really consider how others view them and why Oda would broadcast that. This is a good point.
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I never understood why people are so adamant about not calling Zoro the first mate
Like I get that Luffy has never actually called him that…. But that's exactly what he is
So weird, I don't get it
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Its just semantics based on translation: Swordsman, Fighter, Combatant. They all boil down to the same thing. That's his official position on the crew.
HOWEVER, from an outsiders point of view, Zoro is recognized as the Vice-Captain/First Mate of the Straw Hats. While that position is strictly unofficial and not really addressed among the crew, Zoro is technically the "First Mate" in a literal sense as he was the first person to join Luffy's "crew" on his adventure to find One Piece and is the crew member that has been sailing with Luffy the longest. Their first meeting even parallels Roger with Rayleigh.
So while not official, that's basically a status he has. Oda wouldn't have characters saying that and have direct parallels between Roger/Luffy and Rayleigh/Zoro for no reason.
You can dismiss it as semantics but Zoro's dream is to be the worlds greatest swordman not worlds greatest combatant or fighter. Yet he is listed as combatant or fighter. Usopp on the other hand also aspires to be the best "sniper" and is listed as such. I just think that is curious.
Everything else you said has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
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You can dismiss it as semantics but Zoro's dream is to be the worlds greatest swordman not worlds greatest combatant or fighter. Yet he is listed as combatant or fighter. Usopp on the other hand also aspires to be the best "sniper" and is listed as such. I just think that is curious.
Everything else you said has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
It is semantics. Based on translation, it varies. There are translations that said he is a combatant, others swordsman, others fighter. It boils down to the same thing on the ship.
You just decided to ignore everything I said because what I said contradicted what you wrote. His role is not Vice Captain, but he's perceived as that, hence why its justified for people to say he's the Vice Captain. The Straw Hats do not consider him that, but others do. Oda has made that very clear. You're just choosing to ignore it.
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It is semantics. Based on translation, it varies. There are translations that said he is a combatant, others swordsman, others fighter. It boils down to the same thing on the ship.
You just decided to ignore everything I said because what I said contradicted what you wrote. His role is not Vice Captain, but he's perceived as that, hence why its justified for people to say he's the Vice Captain. The Straw Hats do not consider him that, but others do. Oda has made that very clear. You're just choosing to ignore it.
Do you know Japanese? Is "combatant", "fighter", or "swordsman" all "written" the same way? Their are right translations and wrong translations. Not all combatants are swordmen.
No. Im just not talking about all that. I'm only talking about what is "official".
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Do you know Japanese? Is "combatant", "fighter", or "swordsman" all "written" the same way? Their are right translations and wrong translations. Not all combatants are swordmen.
No. Im just not talking about all that. I'm only talking about what is "official".
It comes down to the same thing. His role is mainly fighting. That's as "official" as it gets. Using different words to describe the same thing doesn't help your case. In the case you're even pointing out, he's a swordsman, so it still means the same in regards to Zoro.
EDIT: Just to illustrate my point.
It's interchangeable and as inconsequential his role could have.