Momo, Shanks and Buggy were kids on the Oro Jackson. Of course Momo was like 6-8 years younger than them
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The fact that he's still a marine undercover completely destroys that. He's not a former marine, he's playing pirate with his own goals in mind.
Yes, and the crew lacks a former marine.
Everyone has an interest in Luffy, that doesn't mean he's gonna join him. Especially since he hasn't directly done anything to assist the Straw Hats unless he's the one that helped out Law in prison and could have been the one to potentially warn everyone of the Beast Pirates sabotaging their plan.
Well it really seems it was him.
but I think what you should also consider, is who really pulls the strings in SWORD, if Drake is the leader and done it all by himself, all the better, it means he can't come back to MarineFord that easily with Akainu as the boss, but it seems to me Sengoku is the one behind curtains here, and we don't know how many members it has, and what other purposes might be working with, pretty cool thing.
But his Allegiances in the organization could be very lousy here, not burdening from leaving at all.Luffy and Drake haven't met, but Luffy doing that is something I'd expect. But you have to think, he does that with anything "cool" A zombie unicorn and a tree drinking tea, Gaimon, and Kinemon's bottom half. So I wouldn't really take it so seriously.
Fair enough.
Probably shouldn't have used Momo. As you said, its the point I tried to make. I should have said someone like Law, who is already close enough to Luffy for Luffy to consider him a nakama despite the fact he has his own crew with his own goals in mind. I'd find that more plausible than X-Drake.
I get what your point here is, but we already learned of Law's main goal(Taking down Doula Mongo), and that's what we need to learn from Drake now, he joined the Navy and he took quite a very dangerous mission to infiltrate Kaido. so either way he has beef with him, or is into some peaceful world dreaming(in which case, following Luffy is the proper way)
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If Perospero comes into the picture, that's a possibility.
A possibility for Nekomumashi who actually has the strenght for a foe like that.
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Momo, Shanks and Buggy were kids on the Oro Jackson. Of course Momo was like 6-8 years younger than them
As long as Luffy wasn't the captain of either of those.
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As long as Luffy wasn't the captain of either of those.
pointless argument.The logic goes "Luffy will not let anyone on due to Shank's rejection/rule.
Well, Shanks was on a ship with 4 kids, including himself. Teach was around 14. Luffy's alleged rule is based on Shank's rule and Shanks captain who became the PK (also Luffy reminds Shanks and Rayleigh of Roger) let 4 kids being on his ship rock. Until Luffy denies a kid, both are speculative and neither arguments are "pointless"
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Sshhhh, im only semi-kidding guys;D
How many different elements are left for Logia’s
It’d be cool if we got a logia user
I mean obviously we need a lot more than that to become a member but we don’t really have much to talk about so why not
Also what do you guys think of the 2.9 devil fruit theory
And what DF’s could fit the 2.9 theory that we can rule out
Kuma’s fruit is a bit too OP
Kinemon’s got a wife at Wano and Momo and the country to watch over
Monet’s is def not joining the crew and I still don’t think she’s dead (let’s not into a long drawn out argument about this)
What other devil fruits fit the 2.9 theory we’ve yet to see
Carrot with Monet's fruit. The Mikan theory is gonna come true eventually TRUST ME GUYS
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Yes, and the crew lacks a former marine.
Well it really seems it was him.
but I think what you should also consider, is who really pulls the strings in SWORD, if Drake is the leader and done it all by himself, all the better, it means he can't come back to MarineFord that easily with Akainu as the boss, but it seems to me Sengoku is the one behind curtains here, and we don't know how many members it has, and what other purposes might be working with, pretty cool thing.
But his Allegiances in the organization could be very lousy here, not burdening from leaving at all.Fair enough.
I get what your point here is, but we already learned of Law's main goal(Taking down Doula Mongo), and that's what we need to learn from Drake now, he joined the Navy and he took quite a very dangerous mission to infiltrate Kaido. so either way he has beef with him, or is into some peaceful world dreaming(in which case, following Luffy is the proper way)
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A possibility for Nekomumashi who actually has the strenght for a foe like that.
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As long as Luffy wasn't the captain of either of those.
pointless argument.He's not a former marine, he still is one. He's just one undercover.
I doubt Drake is the leader of SWORD. I'm also going to assume that Kuzan is also a member of SWORD. He may be allied with the Blackbeard Pirates, but he could be doing the same thing Drake is doing.
What we know of Drake is that as a kid he was part of the Diez Pirates that had a DF that Corazon ended up stealing. He bailed at the end and somehow ended up working for the Marines. Then went undercover as part of SWORD while playing pirate. I doubt he's gonna join when his main goal is feeding intel to the Marines.
Nah, Neko and Inu have a vendetta against Jack for severing their limbs. Zoro and Sanji are probably gonna take King and Queen respectively. What the rest of the Minks do is fair game. I speculate Carrot is gonna want to have her revenge. Whether she's capable of doing so or not is a completely separate problem.
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The logic goes "Luffy will not let anyone on due to Shank's rejection/rule.
Well, Shanks was on a ship with 4 kids, including himself. Teach was around 14. Luffy's alleged rule is based on Shank's rule and Shanks captain who became the PK (also Luffy reminds Shanks and Rayleigh of Roger) let 4 kids being on his ship rock. Until Luffy denies a kid, both are speculative and neither arguments are "pointless"
Then that makes Chapter 1 completely void of its meaning since it was specifically Shanks who said that. Not only did that come from him, but he was one himself. It would make him come across as a hypocrite if he didn't have a reason for it. And besides, he proved his point.
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Nah, Neko and Inu have a vendetta against Jack for severing their limbs. Zoro and Sanji are probably gonna take King and Queen respectively. What the rest of the Minks do is fair game. I speculate Carrot is gonna want to have her revenge. Whether she's capable of doing so or not is a completely separate problem.
Yeah I mean its a 700billion berry pirate we're talking about here, that cannot be taken down by explotions in the face.
Carrot has nothing on that, make it Neko+Carrot and I'll take it.
Jack can be handled by Inu+Shishilian too.
but both Neko and Inu in sulong form, might be too much for Jack alone.
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The logic goes "Luffy will not let anyone on due to Shank's rejection/rule.
Well, Shanks was on a ship with 4 kids, including himself. Teach was around 14. Luffy's alleged rule is based on Shank's rule and Shanks captain who became the PK (also Luffy reminds Shanks and Rayleigh of Roger) let 4 kids being on his ship rock. Until Luffy denies a kid, both are speculative and neither arguments are "pointless"
Shanks was not the captain of that ship.
And after we learned that Otama was denied by Ace for the very same reason, even more unlikely now that Luffy does it.
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As long as Luffy wasn't the captain of either of those.
pointless argument.Shanks was not the captain of that ship.
And after we learned that Otama was denied by Ace for the very same reason, even more unlikely now that Luffy does it.
I knew you'd bring up Ace. He's not Luffy, your words.
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Then that makes Chapter 1 completely void of its meaning since it was specifically Shanks who said that. Not only did that come from him, but he was one himself. It would make him come across as a hypocrite if he didn't have a reason for it. And besides, he proved his point.
Just to be clear, I don't think Momo joins. It's possible, but not likely.
Shanks been a Pirate since his lower teens. He asked another character in their lower teens (Buggy) to join him. He's obviously seen a lot and changed since he was a kid.
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Yeah I mean its a 700billion berry pirate we're talking about here, that cannot be taken down by explotions in the face.
Carrot has nothing on that, make it Neko+Carrot and I'll take it.
Jack can be handled by Inu+Shishilian too.
but both Neko and Inu in sulong form, might be too much for Jack alone.
I doubt it. Jack severed Inu and Neko's limbs. I think they have a few things they'd rather settle. That battle is personal. Which is also why I brought up the possibility of Carrot confronting Perospero. At the very least, we can see how strong she truly is.
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I knew you'd bring up Ace. He's not Luffy, your words.
Your arguing capacity worries me a lot.
the point is(since you don't get it), that other crews having X thing, does not make the idea of Luffy himself(who's been influenced not to have that on his crew), a must.
that's just like saying, Luffy must have a logia user just cause other crews have them, that's not being made impossible by an idol-figure of course, but the 'otheeers have them' argument is weak af.
And Momo doesn't make any close to a good case by himself either.
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I doubt it. Jack severed Inu and Neko's limbs.
yeah while immobilized, NOT in battle.
I think they have a few things they'd rather settle. That battle is personal.
ShutenMaru left him scarred forever, he's a good contender as well.
Which is also why I brought up the possibility of Carrot confronting Perospero. At the very least, we can see how strong she truly is.
Well, honestly here's where you could be greatly dissapointed, there's the guardians, the other musketeers, Inu and Neko themselves to show their Sulong too, its really up to consider if Carrot will get more focus than Inu and Neko(which have remained the relevant Minks since Wano started).
I mean, if the Scabbards go for the Oniwabanshus, from which none seems as notorious as Peros, that's already gonna make it hard for Carrot to face herself with an even greater foe.
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yeah while immobilized, NOT in battle.
The point I'm making is that Jack was responsible for severing their limbs when they were engaged in fighting him routinely for 5 straight days.
Well, honestly here's where you could be greatly dissapointed, there's the guardians, the other musketeers, Inu and Neko themselves to show their Sulong too, its really up to consider if Carrot will get more focus than Inu and Neko(which have remained the relevant Minks since Wano started).
I mean, if the Scabbards go for the Oniwabanshus, from which none seems as notorious as Peros, that's already gonna make it hard for Carrot to face herself with an even greater foe.
Yeah, the thing is that the Mink Tribe was only prepared for Kaido and the Beast Pirates, not Big Mom. Even though Neko is planning on bringing the remnants of Whitebeard's crew alongside Marco, I just want to see the event play out. I guess you can say for drama.
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The point I'm making is that Jack was responsible for severing their limbs when they were engaged in fighting him routinely for 5 straight days.
which doesn't point out to Jack being capable of holding against those two in Sulong form? when he wasn't capable of doing so in normal mode.
Yeah, the thing is that the Mink Tribe was only prepared for Kaido and the Beast Pirates, not Big Mom. Even though Neko is planning on bringing the remnants of Whitebeard's crew alongside Marco, I just want to see the event play out. I guess you can say for drama.
Well, Peros didn't even kill Pedro anyway, he went down by himself.
Peros was doing nothing more than trying to avoid them from escaping which was every other BM's job, it don't seem too personal really. -
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Jack vs Ashura (rematch)
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Your arguing capacity worries me a lot.
the point is(since you don't get it), that other crews having X thing, does not make the idea of Luffy himself(who's been influenced not to have that on his crew), a must.
that's just like saying, Luffy must have a logia user just cause other crews have them, that's not being made impossible by an idol-figure of course, but the 'otheeers have them' argument is weak af.
And Momo doesn't make any close to a good case by himself either..
You used Ace as an example for Luffy's (not confirmed through manga) position on kids joining , yet differentiated Roger from Shanks as captains on this matter. You continue to show a pattern of not keeping up with your own stance and contradicting yourself. Last time this happened, I felt bad. Now, it's just not the same.
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which doesn't point out to Jack being capable of holding against those two in Sulong form? when he wasn't capable of doing so in normal mode.
Jack fought them to a standstill. Neither side would budge but it was stated by Wanda that the Minks had the upper hand before the gas hit. Besides, it only seems fair that these 2 fight Jack. They both lost a limb to him. We'll see if now he is capable of taking both of them head-on at their full power, even though they are handicapped with a missing appendage.
Well, Peros didn't even kill Pedro anyway, he went down by himself.
Peros was doing nothing more than trying to avoid them from escaping which was every other BM's job, it don't seem too personal really.Eh, its not like Perospero was responsible for his death. But he was the one who ensnared the Thousand Sunny in candy and Pedro had to commit suicide to make sure he could free them. All because of the circumstances that Perospero had conducted. She was pretty upset upon seeing him again though…
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You used Ace as an example for Luffy's (not confirmed through manga) position on kids joining , yet differentiated Roger from Shanks as captains on this matter. You continue to show a pattern of not keeping up with your own stance and contradicting yourself. Last time this happened, I felt bad. Now, it's just not the same.
Didn't you try to use Roger as an example for Luffy to parallel? Pedro's flashback outright shows that Roger didn't accept him traveling with them. Minks are natural born warriors, yet he wasn't recruited at that age?
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Eh, its not like Perospero was responsible for his death. But he was the one who ensnared the Thousand Sunny in candy and Pedro had to commit suicide to make sure he could free them. All because of the circumstances that Perospero had conducted.
Ehh, come on, what was he supposed to do then? give them flowers as they fleed?
As I said he was just doing his job, it's Pedro who came up with the funny idea of suicide.She was pretty upset upon seeing him again though…
she really expected someone who didn't hurt them to be dead, what a skank.(minus 10 nakama points)
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Jack vs Cat Viper and Dog Storm in Suulong form (revenge rematch)
Jack vs Ashura (rematch)
Jack vs Luffy (show how much Luffy has improved, basically like Luffy vs Blueno and Luffy did say he wanted to kick his ass)
Jack vs Jinbei (Fihmen monster trio of Emperor's face off against one another)Or one of the several Worst Gens around.
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Ehh, come on, what was he supposed to do then? give them flowers as they fleed?
As I said he was just doing his job, it's Pedro who came up with the funny idea of suicide.And you think Inu and Neko are just gonna overlook the guy that severed their limbs? Aw hell nah shawty.
@Monquito:she really expected someone who didn't hurt them to be dead, what a skank.(minus 10 nakama points)
She already knew he wasn't dead. Perospero emerged from the spot that Pedro was at without an arm.
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Well that's it….. Pedro for next nakama :ninja:
in all seriousness I would love it if Brook and Chopper took down Perospero, to redeem themselves for not being able to do anything against him
only problem is how they go from being useless against him to beating him in a fight
then again they've had two weeks to train
Also Zoro and Sanji are soon gonna take down guys with bigger bounties than Katakuri who took all of Luffy's strength last arc.... so you know things are moving at a faster pace now and shit is crazy
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She already knew he wasn't dead. Perospero emerged from the spot that Pedro was at without an arm.
Yeah but com' on, Carrot participated in an invasion that;
Stole the RP blueprints
Ruined the Wedding Cake
Released the Germa 66
was down with a plot to kill Momma
And took down several minions while in Sulong form.And she's going to hold a grudge on Perospero because 'that the guy who wouldn't let us get away from all the shit we did back there'
if anything, that makes Carrot look like the fucking villain here -
Yeah but com' on, Carrot participated in an invasion that;
Stole the RP blueprints
Ruined the Wedding Cake
Released the Germa 66
was down with a plot to kill Momma
And took down several minions while in Sulong form.And she's going to hold a grudge on Perospero because 'that the guy who wouldn't let us get away from all the shit we did back there'
if anything, that makes Carrot look like the fucking villain hereIt's just a personal thing, that's all.
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Didn't you try to use Roger as an example for Luffy to parallel? Pedro's flashback outright shows that Roger didn't accept him traveling with them. Minks are natural born warriors, yet he wasn't recruited at that age?
I'm not the one saying different captains = different rules. I'm not the 1 contradicting my point. If I said different captain = different rules, i'm not going back on it. You're addressing Monquio, not me.
Also, I didn't use Roger for parallel. I used Roger because that's where the logic stems from. Shanks didn't allow Luffy, so Luffy won't allow kids was the logic. Yet, Shanks came from a crew with 4 kids and has matured to the point where he wouldn't allow Luffy.
Roger not allowing Pedro, but having Shanks and Buggy on his ship proves my point. There's more to it than just kids not being allowed
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Yeah but com' on, Carrot participated in an invasion that;
Stole the RP blueprints
Ruined the Wedding Cake
Released the Germa 66
was down with a plot to kill Momma
And took down several minions while in Sulong form.And she's going to hold a grudge on Perospero because 'that the guy who wouldn't let us get away from all the shit we did back there'
if anything, that makes Carrot look like the fucking villain hereObviously Carrot isn't gonna go out of her way to seek revenge.
But the story might oh so conveniently set itself up in such a way that she can take down the guy that Pedro died trying to take down.
It's not like Kyros went out of his way to fight Diamante. But it happened anyway.
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Obviously Carrot isn't gonna go out of her way to seek revenge.
But the story might oh so conveniently set itself up in such a way that she can take down the guy that Pedro died trying to take down.
It's not like Kyros went out of his way to fight Diamante. But it happened anyway.
Kyros had the strength and Diamante wasn't that much of big deal.
Carrot doesn't, Peros is a man born into piracy with a reputation that get him 700billion bounty, he's not small fry. I mean Diamante wasn't that much either, but Cabbage and Barto could have also performed good against him too.
Besides with the Strawhats, The Scabbards and the Worst Gens in line, either way she comes up with a teammate, does some assistance, or takes down gifters in the backround. But the paneling requeried to give her a versus all by herself when there's already a ton of characters getting much more spotlight.
Chances are pretty slim really.I also don't quite see why would she get that attention when we still need to see The Guardians and Muskeeter's Sulongs and abilities as well.
Why are you people trying so hard to argue about the things that have already been argued in this thread?
Give it a rest. This is why the thread was locked in the first place.
Well I mean, we're not exactly arguing how "Nakama-ish" or how "Non-Nakama-ish" she is.
But rather her role to play in Wano, which seems to me, taking down a 700Billion man on her first day of school when only Luffy and Urouge have pulled out to take down this kind of massive bounty people after years of Piracy.
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Why are you people trying so hard to argue about the things that have already been argued in this thread?
Give it a rest. This is why the thread was locked in the first place.
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Kyros had the strength and Diamante wasn't that much of big deal.
Carrot doesn't, Peros is a man born into piracy with a reputation that get him 700billion bounty, he's not small fry. I mean Diamante wasn't that much either, but Cabbage and Barto could have also performed good against him too.
Besides with the Strawhats, The Scabbards and the Worst Gens in line, either way she comes up with a teammate, does some assistance, or takes down gifters in the backround. But the paneling requeried to give her a versus all by herself when there's already a ton of characters getting much more spotlight.
Chances are pretty slim really.I also don't quite see why would she get that attention when we still need to see The Guardians and Muskeeter's Sulongs and abilities as well.
Well I mean, we're not exactly arguing how "Nakama-ish" or how "Non-Nakama-ish" she is.
But rather her role to play in Wano, which seems to me, taking down a 700Billion man on her first day of school when only Luffy and Urouge have pulled out to take down this kind of massive bounty people after years of Piracy.
Seems like a solid no to me.I dunno, this sequence feels like obvious set-up for something to me.
It's true that it was a 100 chapters ago, but things get payoff when they need to. Everything since Punk Hazard (or even Fishman Island, really) has been building up to this one climatic battle, after all. It doesn't really require that she does it on her own to have pay-off of this and maybe not even being the main fighter, as long as she's part of it. -
I dunno, this sequence feels like obvious set-up for something to me.
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It's true that it was a 100 chapters ago, but things get payoff when they need to. Everything since Punk Hazard (or even Fishman Island, really) has been building up to this one climatic battle, after all. It doesn't really require that she does it on her own to have pay-off of this and maybe not even being the main fighter, as long as she's part of it.That's why I'm saying Neko+Carrot seems viable(cause Pedro was under Neko) Carrot have done more the Rebecca role(crying and taking down no-names) far away from the Kyros role(holding a Herculean reputation for himself).
Even in Sulong form, instead of taking down someone with a name, that you could say well she's unmatched by that guy so might be that she has the strenght for a bigger fish, but no, only no names and ships.
I mean that image you just posted looks exactly the same as Diamante making fun of Rebecca.
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Given how much interest Oda has shown on focusing on 1x1 battles lately, I will be really surprised if characters like the scabbards are allowed full fights like Kyros got back in Dressrosa. I suppose I can picture a Jack x Inu+Neko since there is so much build up for this one, but I wouldn't be surprised the least if things don't go that way.
As for Carrot, I don't know, it's hard to judge this one. So much focus on the previous arc hinting she would become at least a prominent ally, suddenly reverted into no more than a background character who just happens to be given a name. It's hard to figure out where this character is going when her treatment is so inconsistent, but I suppose I can see she getting a proper role in a fight as long as she is joining one of the SH (Chopper?). But a 1x1? I can't see it. -
Thing is, that is kinda depressing to think about, Carrot is more likely to get a 1 v 1 against an antagonist than either Nami or Robin. She's more of a upfront physical brawler, which I think is easier for Oda to do outside Usopp. Minks are warriors since birth where even the children can fight.
When was the last time Nami or Robin had a 1 v 1?
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Thing is, that is kinda depressing to think about, Carrot is more likely to get a 1 v 1 against an antagonist than either Nami or Robin. She's more of a upfront physical brawler, which I think is easier for Oda to do outside Usopp. Minks are warriors since birth where even the children can fight.
When was the last time Nami or Robin had a 1 v 1?
Its the culmination of the Alliance Saga, this is more the moment where all the strahwats get their 1vs1's.
see it this way, The Baroque Arc Saga started as early as Wiskey Peak, and thru Little Garden and Drum, Strawhats would play whatever role with some getting fights in the way, some getting none. but when they hit Alabasta, they all got their versuses.
So yeah, PH, Dressrosa, Zou and Totto land had them all separated mostly, but they all together now, and there's enough enemies for each SH.
And we're yet to see the General Franky at full strenght, Enma, Stealth Black, Zeus and prolly a bit more of Usopp's awekened CoO.
Robin is the only one I usually have doubts on.
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It's hard to figure out where this character is going when her treatment is so inconsistent,
It's as consistent as every other tag along in the series. its just a matter of length.
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Given how much interest Oda has shown on focusing on 1x1 battles lately, I will be really surprised if characters like the scabbards are allowed full fights like Kyros got back in Dressrosa. I suppose I can picture a Jack x Inu+Neko since there is so much build up for this one, but I wouldn't be surprised the least if things don't go that way.
As for Carrot, I don't know, it's hard to judge this one. So much focus on the previous arc hinting she would become at least a prominent ally, suddenly reverted into no more than a background character who just happens to be given a name. It's hard to figure out where this character is going when her treatment is so inconsistent, but I suppose I can see she getting a proper role in a fight as long as she is joining one of the SH (Chopper?). But a 1x1? I can't see it.See, that's the thing. This not just the climax of Wano, it's the climax of the entire Yonko saga. And if you look at it like that, Carrot still got more focus than half the scabbards, for example. She may have been in the background in Wano, but…so what? Neko and Jinbe haven't even been there. Inu has basically been acting as Kin'nemon's sidekick and the minks in general have been out of the picture. But you wouldn't doubt they're gonna play big roles, right? Their stuff was already set-up in Zou and WCI. No need to spend time setting up what has already been set-up when there are so many new characters to establish and develop.
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Its the culmination of the Alliance Saga, this is more the moment where all the strahwats get their 1vs1's.
see it this way, The Baroque Arc Saga started as early as Wiskey Peak, and thru Little Garden and Drum, Strawhats would play whatever role with some getting fights in the way, some getting none. but when they hit Alabasta, they all got their versuses.
So yeah, PH, Dressrosa, Zou and Totto land had them all separated mostly, but they all together now, and there's enough enemies for each SH.
And we're yet to see the General Franky at full strenght, Enma, Stealth Black, Zeus and prolly a bit more of Usopp's awekened CoO.
Robin is the only one I usually have doubts on.
Except back then, there were match-ups that could be made that made the fighting even. Nami and Robin took care of fodder in Fishman Island, Robin and Nami kinda both helped dispatch Monet before Zoro interfered, Dressrosa Robin assisted to fight against a Gladius with Bartolomeo and Cavendish, Nami assisted with Chopper and Carrot to fend off Brulee, later she helped Luffy deal with Cracker, and obviously helped fend off Big Mom from the Sunny.
Their track record isn't that promising and we'd have to wait for some line-up of the antagonist before we think they'll get a chance to fight.
At least Carrot has some merit with a foreshadowed conflict with Perospero. We'll only see if she gets 1 v 1. As for Nami and Robin, I can't really say I'll hold my breathe. If either of them gets a 1 v 1, I see no reason also why Carrot wouldn't, unless they once again team up.
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Except back then, there were match-ups that could be made that made the fighting even. Nami and Robin took care of fodder in Fishman Island, Robin and Nami kinda both helped dispatch Monet before Zoro interfered, Dressrosa Robin assisted to fight against a Gladius with Bartolomeo and Cavendish, Nami assisted with Chopper and Carrot to fend off Brulee, later she helped Luffy deal with Cracker, and obviously helped fend off Big Mom from the Sunny.
Their track record isn't that promising and we'd have to wait for some line-up of the antagonist before we think they'll get a chance to fight.
That's why I said they will do whatever in build-up arcs, but in the culmination arc they all get to participate.(Skypiea and Ennies Lobby included)
but you can see how things went in Jaya and Water Seven(build-up arcs)
we're done with the build up arcs in this saga, and as for now, there's a ton of enemies. it's likely we haven't met all of the regular Headliners yet and ones we know already are a good bulk.At least Carrot has some merit with a foreshadowed conflict with Perospero. We'll only see if she gets 1 v 1.
Rebbeca 2.0 on her way!
As for Nami and Robin, I can't really say I'll hold my breathe. If either of them gets a 1 v 1, I see no reason also why Carrot wouldn't, unless they once again team up.
Because;
Luffy
Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Sanji
Chopper
Robin
Franky
Brook
Jinbro
Kinemon
Raizo
Kikunojo
Ashura Doji
Denjiro
Kawamatsu
Inuarashi
Nekomumashi
Kidd
Killer
Law
Drake
and arguably Apoo and Hawkings.
A bulk of characters with more relevance than Carrot in this arc, are MORE likely to get their fights and that already give us a ridiculous chapter count, which could only be saved by team-ups, or slamming multiple fights in singular chapters.I think you guys are going way too much headcanon here, ya'll supporting the idea of Carrot getting more relevance out of nowhere but your beliefs, instead of what the manga is currently telling us; that she faded into her people, and she's been put(at the very least) at the same level of relevance as Wanda and Shishilian.
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That's why I said they will do whatever in build-up arcs, but in the culmination arc they all get to participate.(Skypiea and Ennies Lobby included)
but you can see how things went in Jaya and Water Seven(build-up arcs)
we're done with the build up arcs in this saga, and as for now, there's a ton of enemies. it's likely we haven't met all of the regular Headliners yet and ones we know already are a good bulk.Rebbeca 2.0 on her way!
Because;
Luffy
Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Sanji
Chopper
Robin
Franky
Brook
Jinbro
Kinemon
Raizo
Kikunojo
Ashura Doji
Denjiro
Kawamatsu
Inuarashi
Nekomumashi
Kidd
Killer
Law
Drake
and arguably Apoo and Hawkings.
A bulk of characters with more relevance than Carrot in this arc, are MORE likely to get their fights and that already give us a ridiculous chapter count, which could only be saved by team-ups, or slamming multiple fights in singular chapters.I think you guys are going way too much headcanon here, ya'll supporting the idea of Carrot getting more relevance out of nowhere but your beliefs, instead of what the manga is currently telling us; that she faded into her people, and she's been put(at the very least) at the same level of relevance as Wanda and Shishilian.
Except with the track record we have seen, then it is very doubtful. You literally just listed all those characters and stated that they are more relevant than Carrot to participate in battle. However, based on the track record we've seen, Nami and Robin for several arcs very rarely fight 1 v 1 battles in comparison to the rest of the males of the crew. Since post-Enies Lobby, they are paired in battles. Look back on Thriller Bark, did we see 1 v 1 for them there. Just saying that this theory you have will enable them to have 1 v 1 doesn't mean its gonna happen. This late in the game, a lot of the antagonists have been revealed, both on Big Mom's and Kaido's front, and at least there is some relevant antagonist for Carrot. Nami and Robin? None.
Where are you pulling the potential antagonist to fight? Because the fight is nigh and there's no sound or sight from them yet.
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Dunno if Oda will do straight 1 vs 1 with the number of characters involved but I do believe Nami will play a key role in the defeat of an opponent, simply because there must be some endgame to her getting two consecutive power up in Zou and WCI. Could very well be stuck cleaning fodders or in a vague support role going by her post-ts track but what was even the point then?:ninja:
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Except with the track record we have seen, then it is very doubtful
Are you even listening?
the track record tell us that
build up arcs; Wiskey Peak, Little Garden, Drum, Jaya, Water Seven, PH, Dressrosa, Zou, Totto Land. The strawhats will do whatever stuff
Culmination arcs; Alabasta, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby, Wano. The Strawhats will participate whole, no doubt.You literally just listed all those characters and stated that they are more relevant than Carrot to participate in battle. However, based on the track record we've seen, Nami and Robin for several arcs very rarely fight 1 v 1 battles in comparison to the rest of the males of the crew.
Only Nami and Robin? only those? cause that's still a lot without those two. but ok.
Besides Nami is pretty guaranteed given she got a power up, that won't be let pass here.Since post-Enies Lobby, they are paired in battles. Look back on Thriller Bark, did we see 1 v 1 for them there. Just saying that this theory you have will enable them to have 1 v 1 doesn't mean its gonna happen. This late in the game, a lot of the antagonists have been revealed, both on Big Mom's and Kaido's front, and at least there is some relevant antagonist for Carrot. Nami and Robin? None.
it's just that we don't know exactly who they all going to fight for guaranteed, but Ginrummy and Solitaire are up there.
and that one antagonist for Carrot, is one she cannot defeat. again, this is just a Rebecca you're hoping for.Where are you pulling the potential antagonist to fight? Because the fight is nigh and there's no sound or sight from them yet.
Besides the calamities, Peros, Smoothie, Daifoku, The Oniwabanshu, the headliners, gifters, waiters, flying six, numbers and Mimawarigumis.
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Are you even listening?
the track record tell us that
build up arcs; Wiskey Peak, Little Garden, Drum, Jaya, Water Seven, PH, Dressrosa, Zou, Totto Land. The strawhats will do whatever stuff
Culmination arcs; Alabasta, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby, Wano. The Strawhats will participate whole, no doubt.Only Nami and Robin? only those? cause that's still a lot without those two. but ok.
Besides Nami is pretty guaranteed given she got a power up, that won't be let pass here.it's just that we don't know exactly who they all going to fight for guaranteed, but Ginrummy and Solitaire are up there.
and that one antagonist for Carrot, is one she cannot defeat. again, this is just a Rebecca you're hoping for.Besides the calamities, Peros, Smoothie, Daifoku, The Oniwabanshu, the headliners, gifters, waiters, flying six, numbers and Mimawarigumis.
plus we haven't seen Scotch yet, and we haven't checked the people gathered at Onigashima where a couple of more Headliners not introduced yet could show up.Are you listening? Most of those culmination arcs made very apparent who the Straw Hats would be facing and the pairs were evenly set. And usually it boils down, when it concerns Nami at least anyways, that she'll be paired up to fight a female opponent as tthe track record dictates. Unless you are assuming that she would be fighting Smoothie, in which regard you would be correct. Robin doesn't have a restriction on gender, but its best to note that even with Nami's new Clima-Tact and Zeus upgrade, she may not be able to fend off Smoothie on her own, but we'll see. That still leaves Robin dry however. I don't see it here, hence my comment.
Rebecca couldn't actually harm her opponent and couldn't necessarily fight. Carrot can. Even if she does get assistance from someone else, she won't be helpless like her and actually contribute to the fight. And the Sulong upgrade raises her stats. Whether she can defeat him or not though is up for debate, but she stands a far better chance, no matter how little it is, compared to Rebecca. You claim that Nami with her Clima-Tact and Zeus can stand a chance against most of the Charlotte family which you'd be correct, but think Carrot won't have an opportunity at them. Especially one with an established conflict?
Besides, that's excluding mention of the Scabbards, Kidd Pirates, On-Air Pirates, Hawkins Pirates, the remnants of Whitebeard's crew with the division commander, one of which was a character that sailed with Oden himself. There's gonna be a clusterfuck of characters. I just see more plausibility in Carrot getting a 1 on 1 because I'm not looking for potential conflict when its been displayed conflict between Perospero and Carrot. She has a higher chance for a 1 on 1 than the the SH girls.
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Are you even listening?
Are you listening?
Guys, it's jibes like this that are gonna stir up frustration and get this thread closed again. Share your own opinions and theories as much as you want, but respect those of others.
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Man i had forgotten all about scotch.
It would be fun if he showed up at some point
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Guys, it's jibes like this that are gonna stir up frustration and get this thread closed again. Share your own opinions and theories as much as you want, but respect those of others.
Yeah, sorry about that. I guess when you argue your points its harder to keep an open mind.
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Yeah, sorry about that. I guess when you argue your points its harder to keep an open mind.
Believe me, I know from experience in this very thread. I'm still on my break until Carrot and/or Jinbe actually show up, but I do like hearing what folks have to say in the meantime.
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Unless you are assuming that she would be fighting Smoothie, in which regard you would be correct.
Nop. I have an idea of who's strong and who isn't.
Nami cannot take down Smoothie.
Ginrummy and Solitaire, or Speed is she turned evil again are good to go.Rebecca couldn't actually harm her opponent and couldn't necessarily fight. Carrot can. Even if she does get assistance from someone else, she won't be helpless like her and actually contribute to the fight. And the Sulong upgrade raises her stats. Whether she can defeat him or not though is up for debate,
I don´t recall any newbie on piracy, taking down a 700billion man, so the most likely scenario is that she cannot.
but she stands a far better chance, no matter how little it is, compared to Rebecca. You claim that Nami with her Clima-Tact and Zeus can stand a chance against most of the Charlotte family which you'd be correct
eeeh I never said that.
Only said she got a power up and that's going to come into play here most likely with a versus.but think Carrot won't have an opportunity at them. Especially one with an established conflict?
Nope, again add a stronger ally into the mix, Perospero is a Fying Six level foe at least, not just comparable to a regular headliner. he is NOT a weakling.
Besides, that's excluding mention of the Scabbards, Kidd Pirates, On-Air Pirates, Hawkins Pirates, the remnants of Whitebeard's crew with the division commander, one of which was a character that sailed with Oden himself. There's gonna be a clusterfuck of characters. I just see more plausibility in Carrot getting a 1 on 1 because I'm not looking for potential conflict when its been displayed conflict between Perospero and Carrot. She has a higher chance for a 1 on 1 than the the SH girls.
That's yet again, the very same scenario with Diamante and Rebecca, or Nami with Arlong, she lacks the strenght, Nothing can be done on that matter.
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Man i had forgotten all about scotch.
It would be fun if he showed up at some point
I mean seems to me, Kaido is holding more islands than Wano out there, so its pretty obvious we haven't seen the bulk of his allies yet, and might be the reason why we haven't seen four of the flying six yet, cause they're guarding other territories and were not in Wano up to this point.
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We won't have an idea of who's gonna fight who until we see the bad guy lineup.
Right now, it's:
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Kaido
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The Disasters
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The Flying Six (sans Drake)
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Apoo (if he doesn't go traitor)
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The Numbers (which could end up being more of a group than individual fighters, a la the Eleven Just Jurymen or most of the General Zombies)
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Big Mom
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Her children (specifically, Perospero, Smoothie, Daifuku and Compote, who are the only ones described as monsters).
Everybody else (like the several SMILE headliners) is kinda fodder, probably left for the less important characters.
He's not a former marine, he still is one. He's just one undercover.
I doubt Drake is the leader of SWORD. I'm also going to assume that Kuzan is also a member of SWORD. He may be allied with the Blackbeard Pirates, but he could be doing the same thing Drake is doing.
Drake is specifically said to be the Captain of SWORD, so he is definitely the acting leader.
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Drake is specifically said to be the Captain of SWORD, so he is definitely the acting leader.
Yeah but the main intriguing question is if Akainu is aware of SWORD or is completly unaware of it, marking the difference between Drake comig back to Head Quarters or doing whatever he feels like once Kaido is done'd
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Yeah but the main intriguing question is if Akainu is aware of SWORD or is completly unaware of it, marking the difference between Drake comig back to Head Quarters or doing whatever he feels like once Kaido is done'd
Drake likely has a superior on headquarters, but it may not be necessarily Akainu. Neither Drake nor Coby seems like the kind of people that would directly work under him.
Could be a VA like Tsuru.
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Drake likely has a superior on headquarters, but it may not be necessarily Akainu. Neither Drake nor Coby seems like the kind of people that would directly work under him.
Could be a VA like Tsuru.
Or semi-retired Sengoku, after all the alliance of Linlin and Kaido reached The Marines quite quickly considering Wano is a closed country and not member of the WG.
And Sengoku had the history of infiltrating Rocinante in Doula Mongo's crew.
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Yeah but the main intriguing question is if Akainu is aware of SWORD or is completly unaware of it
Oh no, please no, not that again.
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If Drake next mission is to "infiltrate" the Strawhats… Oh boy:ninja:
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Before the reveal of who was Ushimitsu Kozo, I thought it was the last possible candidate. It was assuming that it was a new character whose backstory would be introduced in Oden's flashback.
Now that we know it was Denjiro/Kyoshiro, my opinion is that no one will join and the last crewmember will be Jinbe.
And that's completely fine for me. The crew already feels complete with Jinbe. And I'm not obsessed with the match-ups against the Blackbeard Pirates since I'm convinced they will not be defeated by just the Straw Hat Pirates.
Anyway, I'm hyped for Jinbe's return! I know that Toki meant the scabbards in her prophecy but I feel that the shadows that Orochi will see are the 9 Straw Hat pirates. That would be an awesome spread!
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If Drake next mission is to "infiltrate" the Strawhats… Oh boy:ninja:
Wouldn't that make way more sense for Coby?
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Wouldn't that make way more sense for Coby?
No, Drake is closer now and his mission with Kaido is about to end.