Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)

[Cockycent]

@Robby:

But I was totally on the Paulie train for a variety of reasons. He appeared first, he had a decent design… Iceburg had basically promised one of his men if they could be convinced, after the betrayal he had no reason to stay there, his gambling and attitudes towards women gave him lots of possibilities in the group, and even as late as the big Enies Lobby battle, there were things like people asking him if he was with the Strawhats and him grudgingly accepting.

I've been around this block. Carrot "has had one line of dialogue in the last year" ain't joining.

All I needed to read really. Going off design is almost the same as saying "that's a furry, we already have one"

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Still going with the furry bit huh

Its Oda himself you're against really, not me. 20+ years of serialization have stated that the same concept cannot be shared among strawhats.

Has a SH member ever fixed the ship before Franky? Who helm any of the ships for the 800+ chapters before Jinbe touched the Sunny? Did any SH patch up another before Chopper came along?

What did Wyper or Asia do on the Merry?

I literally never asked for Carrot's role, since I'm fully convinced she doesnt have any to begin with.

I've asked about her supposed differences she has that Chopper and the Minks dont?

[Robby]

Franky vs. Paulie February 2005 Narrow lead for Paulie
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=106

Franky Versus Paulie 2, July 2005. Huge lead for Franky.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=2635

Notably, the flashback happened between those two polls. Not many people kept rooting for Paulie after Franky started showing his actual qualities, and that was still long before the sea train fights, Enies Lobby, or the color spread that included Franky as a strawhat vs. CP9.

I was reading it weekly back then but I didn't join the forum till near the end of Water 7 so it was pretty much a foregone conclusion by the time I joined, I was never in on those debates.

[Gold]

@Monquito:

You're whole reply is mistaken, I'm not talking about designs. but about concept.

Samurais, other fishmen, cooks, musicians, robots, furries. all covered.

Implying Chopper's and Carrot's only concept is being a furry. Must be the most interesting thing to you about them, what Beastar's character do you have on your Dakimakura?

@Robby:

I've been around this block. Carrot "has had one line of dialogue in the last year" ain't joining.

I hope you're correct, I'd rather see her as a relegated character. I just find this super suspect that she was introduced so forcibly and has no presence on Wano yet… Could be a mismanaged character but arcs not over yet, just like how popular opinion swayed from Paulie to Franky due to arc progression.

Also I think I remember you used to have a crazy husky avatar, what happened to that?

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

Its Oda himself you're against really, not me. 20+ years of serialization have stated that the same concept cannot be shared among strawhats.

Oh really? Thanks for informing me of this. I tend to forget things like this. It's a long story. Can't believe I forgot that no SH crew members shared

• sword fighting
• females looking almost exactly the same
• childish behavior
• actual skin, since you think fur disqualifies anyone

I literally never asked for Carrot's role, since I'm fully convinced she doesnt have any to begin with.

I've asked about her supposed differences she has that Chopper and the Minks dont?

None of the Minks stowed away for adventure purposes after their home was almost destroyed twice

Popularity polls from a forum made it to Oda and he actually cared to change things based on that?

[Solid]

Thanks for taking me way back Robby, and I had the exact same feelings and thoughts surrounding Franky, Brook and Jinbae too, but we differ in the Tama department lmao

[Monquito]

@Gold:

Implying Chopper's and Carrot's only concept is being a furry. Must be the most interesting thing to you about them, what Beastar's character do you have on your Dakimakura?

You´re going into directions of role, personality and goals.

Which wouldve been more relevant if Carrot was a three-eyes, a ninja or a CD.

but not, she had to be a transforming humanoid animal, and you want to act as if this wasn't in the crew already. that's really really really faith that you got there.

[Robby]

Chopper is not only humanoid furry, he was originally a literal reindeer, has transformation powers, his main form is a weird halfway thing where he looks like a bipedal dog, he has a blue nose and a huge pink hat with an X on it and he showed up pretty early in the story when that was all even crazier.

No random Mink has anything on that whatsoever, to the point that when we met them, Luffy (and Oda) called them "an island of Choppers"..

The point of having a diverse interesting types on the crew is that they be diverse. No one actually gives a crap about the technical difference between a Mink and Chopper. The point is a Mink doesn't actually add anything to the crew for being a Mink because we already basically have that plus some.

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Oh really? Thanks for informing me of this. I tend to forget things like this. It's a long story. Can't believe I forgot that no SH crew members shared

• sword fighting
• females looking almost exactly the same
• childish behavior
• actual skin, since you think fur disqualifies anyone

Stuck in designs uh??
now try with concept please.

None of the Minks stowed away for adventure purposes after their home was almost destroyed twice

is that like all there differences you constantly claimed… okay.

Let me put it this way, Chimney joined the invasion Ennies Lobby party for the lols, surprise!, that does not make you a Strawhat.

[Yxenz]

What Robby says is what I meant. I mean, you can say it's just a cliché argument to say "what the fandom was thinking at 2007", but we can also say that you believe you see something that we don't, while we see it, but we just think this has already happened and it's not a confirmation that your candidate is gonna join.

You might say "oh but Carrot's case is different because this and that". But if WCI and Wano had come before Water 7 and Carrot hadn't joined, then now in Water 7 we'd be telling you "Paulie's not joining, the same happened to Carrot" and you'd say "yup, but this is different cuz Carrot didn't have a clear role in the band while Paulie is a foreman, and the straw hats are looking for one".

As I said before, secondary characters have different features that make them more nakamisables, but not all of them share the same features. You may see one on Carrot that other characters don't have, but that doesn't mean that she's joining.

[Robby]

Green haired samurai man who uses a sword in his teeth!
Weather-controlling navigator with a unique hair color and is the only reason the crew didn't die before reaching Loguetown!
A guy with a long nose who uses a slingshot to make cool sniper shots with plant seeds!
Blonde cook in a suit who only fights using his legs and has special eyebrows (and is related to a notorious crime family)!
Blue-nosed reindeer who can turn into all sorts of forms and has extensive medical knowledge!
Uma Thurman, doctor of archaeology and only one who actually has an interest in the overarching plot!
Popeye robot Ace Ventura who does funny poses and builds stuff!
Skeleton swordsman Slash who plays instruments and is a pervert!
Big blue oni yakuza fishman who does a cool martial art form!
animal person

[Gold]

@Monquito:

You´re going into directions of role, personality and goals.

Which wouldve been more relevant if Carrot was a three-eyes, a ninja or a CD.

but not, she had to be a transforming humanoid animal, and you want to act as if this wasn't in the crew already. that's really really really faith that you got there.

I see the animal theme similarity it's not enough to dismiss the possibility Carrot could be made a member, it also doesn't prove she won't be.
It's a pointless argument and opinion that you think solid ground of her not getting in is having two furry characters.

Your Transforming opinion is pretty thoughtless too. Luffy has all these gear transformations, Sanji transforms into a germa suit, Zoro transforms into Asura, Franky is a literal transformer. I think this opinion is starting to make Carrot fit in with her Sulong transform now lmao. Could it be you actually want furries uwuuu stop trying to justify her getting into the crew dudeee

@Robby:

hat human
swordguy
redhead girl
nose human
food human
animal person
girl #2
robot human
dead human
blue animal person
animal person

this hurt me to do

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

Stuck in designs uh??
now try with concept please.

Is sword fighting not a concept? What does personality have to do with design?

is that like all there differences you constantly claimed… okay.

Let me put it this way, Chimney joined the invasion Ennies Lobby party for the lols, surprise!, that does not make you a Strawhat.

Ok, now try this, how did Oda differentiate Chimney in the narrative? Did he separate her from her associates while giving forming any chemistry with the SH crew? When did all of Chimney's attachments go away? Chimney meme is worse than the Paulie meme.

[Solid]

@Robby:

Green haired samurai man who uses a sword in his teeth!
Weather-controlling navigator with a unique hair color and is the only reason the crew didn't die before reaching Loguetown!
A guy with a long nose who uses a slingshot to make cool sniper shots with plant seeds!
Blonde cook in a suit who only fights using his legs and has special eyebrows (and is related to a notorious crime family)!
Blue-nosed reindeer who can turn into all sorts of forms and has extensive medical knowledge!
Uma Thurman, doctor of archaeology and only one who actually has an interest in the overarching plot!
Popeye robot Ace Ventura who does funny poses and builds stuff!
Skeleton swordsman Slash who plays instruments and is a pervert!
Big blue oni yakuza fishman who does a cool martial art form!
animal person

Purple haired shouju tomboy straight out of a miyazaki movie and various folktales aspiring to be a pirate kunoichi who can control beasts!
I just had to.

[Monquito]

@Gold:

I see the animal theme similarity it's not enough to dismiss the possibility Carrot could be made a member, it also doesn't prove she won't be.
It's a pointless argument and opinion that you think solid ground of her not getting in is having two furry characters.

Not as pointless if the series shows it that you can only have one of each concept.

Your Transforming opinion is pretty thoughtless too. Luffy has all these gear transformations, Sanji transforms into a germa suit, Zoro transforms into Asura, Franky is a literal transformer. I think this opinion is starting to make Carrot fit in with her Sulong transform now lmao. Could it be you actually want furries uwuuu stop trying to justify her getting into the crew dudeee

Sanji and Zoro don't transform at all..

Franky haven't done any since the time-skip, it's only the hair that changes and he usually rides General Franky now.

Its Luffy and Chopper who transform, and their transformations are unique, Carrot shares it with 100,000 more Minks and can only do it on Moonlight.

[Gold]

@Solid:

Purple haired shouju tomboy straight out of a miyazaki movie and various folktales aspiring to be a pirate kunoichi who can control beasts!
I just had to.

Tama > Carrot

Tama for Cabin Girl would be more interesting.

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Is sword fighting not a concept? What does personality have to do with design?

Ah ye, that's valid, but see how Zoro is pretty much a Samurai?, while not actually being called one or recognized as such. anything Shutenmaru, Kiku or Kyoshiro would add to the crew, is there with Zoro and 10 times better.
its the same with Chopper, not a Mink, no one ever called him like that, but still he's 10 times better than any Mink introduced as far as of now, and makes pointless to have another one like him in the crew.

Ok, now try this, how did Oda differentiate Chimney in the narrative? Did he separate her from her associates while giving forming any chemistry with the SH crew? When did all of Chimney's attachments go away? Chimney meme is worse than the Paulie meme.

Agaaaain, separating X character does not make him a StrawHat either. and Chimney had actually get along pretty cool with Luffy.
but again, mere separation is worth zero here.

you know what makes someone likely? Uniqueness.

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

Ah ye, that's valid, but see how Zoro is pretty much a Samurai?, while not actually being called one or recognized as such. anything Shutenmaru, Kiku or Kyoshiro would add to the crew, is there with Zoro and 10 times better.
its the same with Chopper, not a Mink, no one ever called him like that, but still he's 10 times better than any Mink introduced as far as of now, and makes pointless to have another one like him in the crew.

I agree to a certain degree. You are right that Zoro is differentiated from the bunch. Issue is, Chopper went from animal to human, while Carrot is being distinguished from her group in narrative and not concept.

• she doesn't have to be a swordsman like the rest in the flashback
• she left in a similar fashion to Neko and Inu
• Pedro says to specifically her that the crew are the ones that the Kozuki and Minks have been waiting over 100s of years and in the very next chapter, he repeats to her, what Roger said to him. Where is this moment for Chimney, Aisa, Paulie, etc? He sacrifices himself and says you're next in a flashback and in the present.

Agaaaain, separating X character does not make him a StrawHat either. and Chimney had actually get along pretty cool with Luffy.
but again, mere separation is worth zero here.

you know what makes someone likely**? Uniqueness**.

Yet you dismiss Carrot not taking up the sword and being crazy enough to leave her people that were almost decimated

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

I agree to a certain degree. You are right that Zoro is differentiated from the bunch. Issue is, Chopper went from animal to human, while Carrot is being distinguished from her group in narrative and not concept.

• she doesn't have to be a swordsman like the rest in the flashback
• she left in a similar fashion to Neko and Inu

And Neko and Inu voyaged temporarly, Carrot just did the same, she´s done.

Pedro says to specifically her that the crew are the ones that the Kozuki and Minks have been waiting over 100s of years and in the very next chapter, he repeats to her, what Roger said to him. Where is this moment for Chimney, Aisa, Paulie, etc? He sacrifices himself and says you're next in a flashback and in the present.

Ye but all that could easily be leading towards the final war where the world will be involved, and "when the time comes" they totally going to aid Luffy, not SH related forcibly.

Yet you dismiss Carrot not taking up the sword and being crazy enough to leave her people that were almost decimated

Inu, Neko, Bepo, Zepo, Pedro and Pekomz left the place as well, not unique at all.
and the circumstantes in which Zou was left amount for a total of zero in regards to how much that makes people a SH.

She's been pretty cool with the Minks for two weeks already in Wano, don't seem to miss the SH´s at all.

[Shiebs]

@Cockycent:

Chopper almost let Luffy die from poison and Sanji almost let Luffy starve.

Both characters had a mentor being almost asked to be on the ship. Kureha and Zeff taught actual SH members, so are they the best?

You can’t seriously think Sanji trying to break ties with Luffy by not being his chef anymore which was 100% because of story reasons tied to that arc some how makes him an incapable chef?

Also Chopper not being able to cure Luffy because he ate enough poison to kill a giant doesn’t make him a bad doctor, you can only do so much as a doctor he’s not a miracle worker, no other doctor in there world or ours could heal someone after ingesting that much poison

And yeah they both had older mentors who immediately said no and let them take there disciples but both were said to be just as good if not better than there mentors

What is Carrot gonna be on the crew again? How does she fill that role better than anyone? What’s her personal dream only she can accomplish by sailing with the straw hats? Where’s her sad backstory flashback?

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

And Neko and Inu voyaged temporarly, Carrot just did the same, she´s done.

Ye but all that could easily be leading towards the final war where the world will be involved, and "when the time comes" they totally going to aid Luffy, not SH related forcibly.

Inu, Neko, Bepo, Zepo, Pedro and Pekomz left the place as well, not unique at all.
and the circumstantes in which Zou was left amount for a total of zero in regards to how much that makes people a SH.

She's been pretty cool with the Minks for two weeks already in Wano, don't seem to miss the SH´s at all.

Neko and Inu were away from their home for a year or so. They then left their second home to voyage again on WB and Roger's ships. They even recounted how great the adventures were towards the end of the Zou arc.

Carrot left after 2 major crisis. You purposely left out the crisis part when comparing Minks. Pedro and Pekoms are the closest and came out of obligation to owing the crew. Carrot's reason has selfishness mixed in it and Pedro's hidden agenda doesn't come anywhere near that. That is very SH like

@Shiebs:

You can’t seriously think Sanji trying to break ties with Luffy by not being his chef anymore which was 100% because of story reasons tied to that arc some how makes him an incapable chef?

Also Chopper not being able to cure Luffy because he ate enough poison to kill a giant doesn’t make him a bad doctor, you can only do so much as a doctor he’s not a miracle worker, no other doctor in there world or ours could heal someone after ingesting that much poison

And yeah they both had older mentors who immediately said no and let them take there disciples but both were said to be just as good if not better than there mentors

What is Carrot gonna be on the crew again? How does she fill that role better than anyone? What’s her personal dream only she can accomplish by sailing with the straw hats? Where’s her sad backstory flashback?

I illustrated perfectly how not only were Zeff and Kureha way more versed in their fields, but there was so much room to grow for Sanji and Chopper. Both have flaws that was part of their differentiation. Sanji's exact flaw led to his crewmate going hungry.

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Neko and Inu were away from their home for a year or so. They then left their second home to voyage again on WB and Roger's ships. They even recounted how great the adventures were towards the end of the Zou arc.

And they voyaged with Newgate and Roger temporarly, the callback is done, Carrot is done as well according to the current timeline.

Carrot left after 2 major crisis. You purposely left out the crisis part when comparing Minks. Pedro and Pekoms are the closest and came out of obligation to owing the crew. Carrot's reason has selfishness mixed in it and Pedro's hidden agenda doesn't come anywhere near that. That is very SH like

I did not left it out, I said this;

and the circumstances in which Zou was left amount for a total of zero in regards to how much that makes people a SH.

And there is no SH stuff in being a Tag along really, that is just want you want to believe.

Thing is, you're just comparing a tag along from a larger arc, to tag alongs from much shorter arcs, of course you'll have more panels with the tag along that took longer to get rid off at the end.

But when it comes to Momo and Kin´emon, Carrots is a tiny nobody in comparission to how much we´ve been with them.
we´re even watching their sad flashback where their mentor gets killed and stuff. a much relevant mentor than Pedro easily.

[Chams]

Watching someone read Whole Cake for the first time made me feel bad for Carrot. As a fun and action-packed sidekick she works perfectly. She is curious, enthusiastic, strong and cute. But the whole discussion around her being or not a new strawhat has put her in bad light. She is great as a sidekick, but compared to the expectations put on her, she looks less well realised than the others

[FelRes]

@Chams:

Watching someone read Whole Cake for the first time made me feel bad for Carrot. As a fun and action-packed sidekick she works perfectly. She is curious, enthusiastic, strong and cute. But the whole discussion around her being or not a new strawhat has put her in bad light. She is great as a sidekick, but compared to the expectations put on her, she looks less well realised than the others

I just hate how in general characters who become popular in nakamate discussions pretty much become characters you're not allowed to like. You have to mention how secondary and generic they are when talking about them unless you want to be outcasted as a rabid <character>fanboy. It's either one extreme or the other. It's barely becoming okay to be a Perona fan, and that's largely because or Moria's recent spotlighting.</character>

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

And they voyaged with Newgate and Roger temporarly, the callback is done, Carrot is done as well according to the current timeline.

You made the Minks the same when you compared them to leaving to how Carrot left. There is no circumstance illustrated for any that you entered as equivalent to Carrot to compare to the two crisis. Where is the situation for Zepo, Bepo, Inu, etc that can compare to everyone almost dying twice? That is what you are dismissing and what I mean by leaving it out. You never mention the circumstance (the core difference) that differentiates her from the rest

I did not left it out, I said this;

How is being extremely selfish not a SH thing? Leaving behind attachments for a dream is a pirate thing, but when you mix in the sacrifice (it wasn't just about adventuring, she too wanted to pay them back), it's very SH like. The balance between sacrificing, but still going for your own goal or agenda. Did Sanji not just decide to sacrifice himself for his crew and others in the last arc? Is this not selfish? It was selfless, but also selfish for not letting his crew help him

And there is no SH stuff in being a Tag along really, that is just want you want to believe.

Thing is, you're just comparing a tag along from a larger arc, to tag alongs from much shorter arcs, of course you'll have more panels with the tag along that took longer to get rid off at the end.

But when it comes to Momo and Kin´emon, Carrots is a tiny nobody in comparission to how much we´ve been with them.
we´re even watching their sad flashback where their mentor gets killed and stuff. a much relevant mentor than Pedro easily.

Calling her a tag along, dismisses the circumstance again. To say she just came and not mention what the character's actions were surrounded and conditioned by is leaving it out. You say you're not doing it, but you clearly are

[Monquito]

What circumstantes? That she's been get rid off since Wano?

That makes her a tag along.

[Cockycent]

Keep conveniently leaving the crisis out because it cancels out your Zepo, Bepo, Inu, etc argument. Where was their equivalent for their people almost being destroyed??

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Keep conveniently leaving the crisis out because it cancels out your Zepo, Bepo, Inu, etc argument. Where was their equivalent for their people almost being destroyed??

Fact is, whatever crisis a country goes, does not mean someone joins out of it. Like literally.
Skypiea was almost obliterated, no crewmates at all.

Those are equivalents of leaving just as randomly as Carrot their country.(no unique trait here)
And theres no rule saying that if your place didnt go thru a genocide you cant join then.

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

Fact is, whatever crisis a country goes, does not mean someone joins out of it. Like literally.
Skypiea was almost obliterated, no crewmates at all.

Those are equivalents of leaving just as randomly as Carrot their country.(no unique trait here)
And theres no rule saying that if your place didnt go thru a genocide you cant join then.

I see now. You missed the whole point. I never said that the crisis was a reason for her possibly joining. I clearly pointed out her actions. Leaving her country behind, in the way that she did, after such a thing happened. None of the characters you listed made those kind of decisions because they lacked that circumstance and that selfishness.

Where is the Skypiea character that abandoned their people during a crisis to go on an adventure for a selfish reason? Are we rewriting the story now?

The fact that you and many others can't name a character that has made the ridiculous decisions that she's made, had the amount of a moments with the crew, was differentiated from her associates on multiple levels, screams uniqueness. Every character that you bring up, is either a false equivalency or just fully made up.

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

I see now. You missed the whole point. I never said that the crisis was a reason for her possibly joining. I clearly pointed out her actions. Leaving her country behind, in the way that she did, after such a thing happened. None of the characters you listed made those kind of decisions because they lacked that circumstance and that selfishness.

Where is the Skypiea character that abandoned their people during a crisis to go on an adventure for a selfish reason? Are we rewriting the story now?

More like, show me the rule stating someone has to join for those specific things you mention??
You're stretching it out of imaginary rules right there.

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

More like, show me the rule stating someone has to join for those specific things you mention??
You're stretching it out of imaginary rules right there.

Rule would mean she's definitely joining. I never said that. You must of made that up. I use a criteria to see who possibly joins. Oda differentiating characters, making them build chemistry with the crew, having a clear dream, etc are some of the things I consider. I asked in the beginning and some try to respond with false equivalencies like yourself. Once you notice there is no one that meets or exceeds these criteria, you all come back with the same response. "It's your imaginary rule". It's boring. If you're going to argue your point, keep up with what is being talked about. You all have ended up at the same destination, but at least I got to see your point of view. Being unique in concept. It's not bad criteria at all. I just see more than concept or design. Actions, narrative, circumstance, chemistry, etc. I just don't hold the way a character looks that high as you do and there's no problem with that

[Shiebs]

I honestly wouldn't mind Carrot joining I like her character a lot I just don't think it will happen

I still put my money on character we haven't seen yet, who may or may not be one of the two races big mom doesn't have on her territory

Edit: also wouldn't be opposed to Vega Punk joining if he turns out to be a good guy, who doesn't love a wacky mad scientist

[desa]

@Monquito:

More like, show me the rule stating someone has to join for those specific things you mention??
You're stretching it out of imaginary rules right there.

There arent hard rule in the whole joining thing. There's just narrative or design choices made by Oda people consider clues.

[HeartOfDarkness]

Pretty sure Oda follows some pattern for who he would make a SH material.

He isn't just making them on a whim.

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Rule would mean she's definitely joining. I never said that. You must of made that up. I use a criteria to see who possibly joins. Oda differentiating characters, making them build chemistry with the crew, having a clear dream, etc are some of the things I consider. I asked in the beginning and some try to respond with false equivalencies like yourself. Once you notice there is no one that meets or exceeds these criteria, you all come back with the same response. "It's your imaginary rule". It's boring. If you're going to argue your point, keep up with what is being talked about. You all have ended up at the same destination, but at least I got to see your point of view. Being unique in concept. It's not bad criteria at all. I just see more than concept or design. Actions, narrative, circumstance, chemistry, etc. I just don't hold the way a character looks that high as you do and there's no problem with that

Its hard to keep things mature with someone that labels facts as 'memes'.

As closed minded as it gets eh.

[HeartOfDarkness]

@Gold:

this hurt me to do

Hey, look it's the new dude joining this thread and thinking that any of this haven't been already debated and killed in the million of previous posts regarding the topic that started around 2017 or 2018.

[Cockycent]

Paulie was said to be away from the foreman for multiple chapters, when compared to Carrot. I double checked and the foreman were beaten up like him and in the very next room.

Is that a fact? No. Carrot was a Mink that went 20+ chapters without her associates and Paulie was brought up in response to it with lies. Is that not a meme to you? How is that a fact?

The actual arguments of dream and experience are barely being used, yet me expect to take Camie, Hachi and Chimney seriously. Hachi checks off more criteria than Carrot? These are your facts?

[Monquito]

@Cockycent:

Paulie was said to be away from the foreman for multiple chapters, when compared to Carrot. I double checked and the foreman were beaten up like him and in the very next room.

Is that a fact? No. Carrot was a Mink that went 20+ chapters without her associates and Paulie was brought up in response to it with lies. Is that not a meme to you? How is that a fact?

The actual arguments of dream and experience are barely being used, yet me expect to take Camie, Hachi and Chimney seriously. Hachi checks off more criteria than Carrot? These are your facts?

The fact that everything that makes Carrot what she is, is already within the crew..

Besides, you really seem obsessed with mere 20 chapters.

We've been 60 through Wano and no sign of Carrot development at all.

[Robby]

I feel its worth pointing out that Brownbeard has all the qualities being touted. An actual unique appearance, a tragic backstory, betrayal from his old leader so he has no where better to go, willing to share emotions, he helped the strawhats out, has the physical strength to keep up, had lots of screen time and jokes with them, yet no one ever seriously discussed him and instead obsessed over Monet that entire arc.

I wonder why…

[EvoWarrior5]

@Robby:

I feel its worth pointing out that Brownbeard has all the qualities being touted. An actual unique appearance, a tragic backstory, betrayal from his old leader so he has no where better to go, willing to share emotions, he helped the strawhats out, has the physical strength to keep up, had lots of screen time and jokes with them, yet no one ever seriously discussed him and instead obsessed over Monet that entire arc.

I wonder why…

He can't fit through the doors in the Sunny. Duh.

[MetaMario]

@Robby:

I feel its worth pointing out that Brownbeard has all the qualities being touted. An actual unique appearance, a tragic backstory, betrayal from his old leader so he has no where better to go, willing to share emotions, he helped the strawhats out, has the physical strength to keep up, had lots of screen time and jokes with them, yet no one ever seriously discussed him and instead obsessed over Monet that entire arc.

I wonder why…

people wanted harpy tiddies ofc

[Somali]

How did caribou get 11 votes

[Cockycent]

@Monquito:

The fact that everything that makes Carrot what she is, is already within the crew..

Everything about Carrot is in the group? Didn't know we had a Mink with no clear goal that uses electro and would leave their home after it was almost destroyed twice for a selfish reason and not telling everyone.

Besides, you really seem obsessed with mere 20 chapters.

Was this not the discussion or did you get lost on your own point? I spoke on 1 part of the criteria that I used and instead of articulating that criteria differ, it becomes "Paulie fits that 1 criteria". You came in after that to support it with Chimney. When the evidence used to back it up, says otherwise, I question why a character who couldn't go 1 chapter without his associates being so close is compared to a character that goes actually 20+ chapters without their associates, is actively in a role and is developing chemistry with the crew. Why should I get away from the initial discussion. It shows what you want to deter from when you act as if the initial discussion doesn't matter.

We've been 60 through Wano and no sign of Carrot development at all

This doesn't cancel out for your initial Chimney stance. As far away that you want to get from that point, Carrot trumps Chimney and Paulie in the category that you chose to argue against. Paulie was suffocated by his associates for every chapter and Carrot got 20+ chapters. Chimney was barely shown away from her associates and with the crew performing any role after ditching her people. The extremities of the Carrot treatment by Oda hasn't been topped or matched in the category disputed. I didn't @ you to speak on this out of nowhere. You chose Chimney after reading the story just like I did and you lost this one. If you started and argued why your criteria is better, than you possibly had a chance. You didn't tho. You went with "not only does Paulie match that category, Chimney does as well".

[wolfwood]

@Somali:

How did caribou get 11 votes

Maybe he is due for a redemption arc.

Or maybe people are messing with the new girlers.

[FelRes]

@Somali:

How did caribou get 11 votes

He may not make the most sense but he is the one who would be the best addition to the crew. We could all use a little chaos.

[HeartOfDarkness]

@Cockycent:

is actively in a role and is developing chemistry with the crew.

*She was.

Oda hasn't made her do anything of that sort (whatever little he did on WCI) in Wano arc so far. An arc that is already 60 chapters in.

You have a funny way of looking at the past as present.

[Cockycent]

First there wasn't a role at all. Then a collage came in and he disappeared.

Then, it was that the role didn't mean anything, now "she was in a role" is nitpicked out of context to not only admit there was a role, but to conveniently make a point that she is no longer being addressed. Man, the mental gymnastics required to do this is

[Coookie]

I miss Zephos, at least he actually knew what he was talking about when he was snarky/trolling and didn’t selectively pick his fights

[Shift]

@Cockycent:

First there wasn't a role at all. Then a collage came in and he disappeared.

Just popping in to set the record straight: the collage in question is something I made at the request of AvocadoInTheRain, though I still stand by it. Here it is:

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I don't want to get into the discussion again right now. My opinion hasn't changed, I still think she's the most likely candidate in Wano, but there's simply nothing new to talk about and her case is not yet strong enough.

[Nilitch]

@Coookie:

I miss Zephos, at least he actually knew what he was talking about when he was snarky/trolling and didn’t selectively pick his fights

Peter was a good boy representative of the doxa (just like the rest of this forum). But yeah, he "knew" what he was talking about