Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)

andre

Once the war is over:

1. Luffy

Long time nothing

2. Zoro / Sanji / Jinbe, in that order. Will be treated as equals by the outside world, the "Sweet Commanders" of the Straw Hats, but the reader will definitely get the idea that Zoro is stronger than Sanji and Sanji stronger than Jinbe. It's like Marco > Jozu > Vista, despite no one ever ranking them on panel.
Likely that Zoro will get an extra scoop of street cred because Zoro.

3. Franky / Robin / last Member. Potentially as powerful as the above three, but only in favorable niche situations. They kind of have to be that strong in order to compete with the level sixers of Blackbeards crew.

4. Usopp / Nami / Brook / Chopper

That's my bet. Rough tiers, with some variance and "anything can happen in a fight" taken into account.

Seems accurate, but I'd bet money that Usopp will be seen as second only to Luffy.

wolfwood

The only reputation that matters is how high Buggys star will rise before it's all over.

Lord Monkey D.

By word of god Usopp will always be the weakest Strawhat.

Even now there is no way i can see Usopp keeping up with Nami

MiyamotoMusashi

@FleetAdmiralAkainu:

Strongest to weakest:

1. Luffy, who is 2x stronger than Zoro or Sanji. I don't see him being able to fight both of them.
2. Zoro, who is a minuscule amount stronger than Sanji
3. Sanji, who is stronger than Jinbei, at least I would prefer him at this rank and think it would be an interesting discussion if we argued who's stronger
4. Jinbei, I think he is a little bit stronger than Franky
5. Franky, who is too aggressive and masculine for Robin even though she could become a giant
6. Chopper, I think he is now stronger than Robin in his giant monster form and can fight
7. Robin, is she stronger than Nami now that Nami can manipulate weather? For now, I'd let her hold this rank
8. Nami
9. Usopp

Jinbe is the second strongest until we see either Sanji or Zoro take magma without even flinching or a BM sword attack with their bare skin and Haki.

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@Jabra:

Once the war is over:

1. Luffy

Long time nothing

2. Zoro / Sanji / Jinbe, in that order. Will be treated as equals by the outside world, the "Sweet Commanders" of the Straw Hats, but the reader will definitely get the idea that Zoro is stronger than Sanji and Sanji stronger than Jinbe. It's like Marco > Jozu > Vista, despite no one ever ranking them on panel.
Likely that Zoro will get an extra scoop of street cred because Zoro.

3. Franky / Robin / last Member. Potentially as powerful as the above three, but only in favorable niche situations. They kind of have to be that strong in order to compete with the level sixers of Blackbeards crew.

4. Usopp / Nami / Brook / Chopper

That's my bet. Rough tiers, with some variance and "anything can happen in a fight" taken into account.

Due to his performance in WCI Brook stays in the mid trio to be honest.
On the other hand Bonney would fit good in the mid trio.

FleetAdmiralAkainu

@FelRes:

Where dafuq is Brook

Straw Hat power ranking are always dumb anyway since you got Robin who can just snap people in half which would put her above Zoro since Luffy's the only one immune to her.

Between Robin and Nami and because he's there I forgot to mention.

Kishido

Zoro and Sanji sooner or later will be a noticeable above Jinbe.

No doubts about that.

Bookmark me on that

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BTW you monster trio doubters...

I will post Aohige's quote on this.

"This is a common misconception. The term "Monster Trio" is canon, not fanmade.
It's been used quite a few times in the manga, most recently in chapter 606.

Same goes for weakling trio, Usopp actually used the term in the manga as well.

Like I said, that's a common misconception.
Oda does use the term "怪物三人組 (Monster Trio)" in the very manga itself."

MiyamotoMusashi

Zoro and Sanji being above Jinbe in the future has no bearing on their standing now, everyone knows that it will eventually happen, hasn´t yet though.

Kishido

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Zoro and Sanji being above Jinbe in the future has no bearing on their standing now, everyone knows that it will eventually happen, hasn´t yet though.

Well some people still think that as they think the monster trio is fanmade.

M3 will stay and Jinbe is awesome on his own.

Let us bitch about how Oda postponed him twice.

Because if he isn't coming back soon we do not even have to discuss the matter about the future hierarchy anymore

MiyamotoMusashi

Nah, like you said, Aohige pointed that out during Fishman Island, but you can question the legitimacy of a title now when Luffy is much further ahead than Zoro and Sanji are to the rest of the crew, even more so when we count Jinbe in, which technically we have to do.

I agree more with Jabra, seems more that Zoro-Sanji-Jnbe will form the commanders or the equivalent to it. They are of similar strength while Luffy is getting further and further ahead.
Of course you can question the legitimacy of commanders with a crew consisting of 10/11 members, but it´s supposed to be a parallel to the Yonkou crews.
And you can make the argument that each Strawhat might actually lead a faction of their own at the end, Zoro and Samurai, Sanji and either Vinsmokes or Pudding faction, Jinbe fishman pirates, Robin Revos, Franky W7 and his gang, Usopp giants and dwarves, Chopper Zou. Nami and Brook so far stand out from that, we will see.

Kishido

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Nah, like you said, Aohige pointed that out during Fishman Island, but you can question the legitimacy of a title now when Luffy is much further ahead than Zoro and Sanji are to the rest of the crew, even more so when we count Jinbe in, which technically we have to do.

I agree more with Jabra, seems more that Zoro-Sanji-Jnbe will form the commanders or the equivalent to it. They are of similar strength while Luffy is getting further and further ahead.
Of course you can question the legitimacy of commanders with a crew consisting of 10/11 members, but it´s supposed to be a parallel to the Yonkou crews.
And you can make the argument that each Strawhat might actually lead a faction of their own at the end, Zoro and Samurai, Sanji and either Vinsmokes or Pudding faction, Jinbe fishman pirates, Robin Revos, Franky W7 and his gang, Usopp giants and dwarves, Chopper Zou. Nami and Brook so far stand out from that, we will see.

I never questioned Luffy being above but I question that Jinbe in the future will be still being with Sanji and Zoro seeing that they are much younger and Sanji just recently got a upgrade and Zoro will get one.

And in Zoro's case maybe he will catch up a strong bit to Luffy because it his own little end goal and the potrayal

My point stands… Even if Luffy above the 2 they will still be the monster trio because their characters and because Zoro and Sanji will soon eclipse Jinbe and will do so even more that it will be clearly noticeable to everyone.

If I am wrong than so be it but I am a sucker for the monster trio and I can't see Jinbe in it or him changing it

I doubt Oda will do the same if even now in Wano he potrayed Luffy/Zoro at first standing next together and later Zoro/Sanji as ending an chapter

People come up with commanders and all and that they have to be 3.

WB had 12 division captains
BB has 10
Shanks has none so far and Ben is hyped as being equal to it
Roger/Rayleigh and maybe Gaban

And the latter 2 are better to compare that the other Yonkou fleets.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Kishido:

I never questioned Luffy being above but I question that Jinbe in the future will be still being with Sanji and Zoro seeing that they are much younger and Sanji just recently got a upgrade and Zoro will get one.

And in Zoro's case maybe he will catch up a strong bit to Luffy because it his own little end goal and the potrayal

My point stands… Even if Luffy above the 2 they will still be the monster trio because their characters and because Zoro and Sanji will soon eclipse Jinbe and will do so even more that it will be clearly noticeable to everyone.

If I am wrong than so be it but I am a sucker for the monster trio and I can't see Jinbe in it or him changing it

I doubt Oda will do the same if even now in Wano he potrayed Luffy/Zoro at first standing next together and later Zoro/Sanji as ending an chapter

People come up with commanders and all and that they have to be 3.

WB had 12 division captains
BB has 10
Shanks has none so far and Ben is hyped as being equal to it
Roger/Rayleigh and maybe Gaban

And the latter 2 are better to compare that the other Yonkou fleets.

Jinbe is still stronger though at this moment, Zoro and Sanji getting a powerup now will not make him jump leaps ahead, the same leaps Luffy is already ahead, and there is nothing suggesting that will change.

Doubt it, like Mihawk pointed out himself, becoming PK is that much harder than WSS.
Luffy will become a monster like Roger, WB and Garp were in the past, Mihawk is at best equal to the elite now which could not hold a candle to the past era, the exception might be Akainu.

Once again, getting slightly ahead is not eclipsing.
Jinbe is a dude that can take top tier attacks and remain unharmed, Zoro was attacked by a dude whose prime interest was to keep them in the game, and he was already panting crazy and bleeding, Sanji got his leg broken not so long ago.
They will get their powerup, whereas Jinbe´s involvement in Wa No is a mystery, but they will remain significantly closer to Jinbe than they ever will to Luffy, who is in a completely different sphere right now.

WB had three to four guys standing out though, depending on if you want to include Ace, which were Marco, Jozu, Vista and Ace of course.
Blackbeard Pirates is a different case since they will all get a 1vs1 against the Strawhats.
The Yonkou crews the Strawhats are facing all follow that structure.

Kishido

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Jinbe is still stronger though at this moment, Zoro and Sanji getting a powerup now will not make him jump leaps ahead, the same leaps Luffy is already ahead, and there is nothing suggesting that will change.

Doubt it, like Mihawk pointed out himself, becoming PK is that much harder than WSS.
Luffy will become a monster like Roger, WB and Garp were in the past, Mihawk is at best equal to the elite now which could not hold a candle to the past era, the exception might be Akainu.

Once again, getting slightly ahead is not eclipsing.
Jinbe is a dude that can take top tier attacks and remain unharmed, Zoro was attacked by a dude whose prime interest was to keep them in the game, and he was already panting crazy and bleeding, Sanji got his leg broken not so long ago.
They will get their powerup, whereas Jinbe´s involvement in Wa No is a mystery, but they will remain significantly closer to Jinbe than they ever will to Luffy, who is in a completely different sphere right now.

WB had three to four guys standing out though, depending on if you want to include Ace, which were Marco, Jozu, Vista and Ace of course.
Blackbeard Pirates is a different case since they will all get a 1vs1 against the Strawhats.
The Yonkou crews the Strawhats are facing all follow that structure.

So we simply disagree in that case in a lot of points which would derail the thread even more.

So we should leave it and see what happens on the future

Jabra

The outside world (Morgans, Brandnew?) coming up with a name for the top three fighters of Luffy's Yonkou crew is way too much fun for Oda to pass on.

What could that name be? The three Rubber Bois? The three Erasers? The three Bouncers?

Or something related to Straw?

wolfwood

Sloth, lust and gluttony.

Three guesses to who is who

Kishido

Monster Trio and Jinbe

Sengokusgoat

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Nah, like you said, Aohige pointed that out during Fishman Island, but you can question the legitimacy of a title now when Luffy is much further ahead than Zoro and Sanji are to the rest of the crew, even more so when we count Jinbe in, which technically we have to do.

I agree more with Jabra, seems more that Zoro-Sanji-Jnbe will form the commanders or the equivalent to it. They are of similar strength while Luffy is getting further and further ahead.
Of course you can question the legitimacy of commanders with a crew consisting of 10/11 members, but it´s supposed to be a parallel to the Yonkou crews.
And you can make the argument that each Strawhat might actually lead a faction of their own at the end, Zoro and Samurai, Sanji and either Vinsmokes or Pudding faction, Jinbe fishman pirates, Robin Revos, Franky W7 and his gang, Usopp giants and dwarves, Chopper Zou. Nami and Brook so far stand out from that, we will see.

I don't see why the Straw Hats would become leaders of any factions. That's not really their style. That's what the Grand Fleet is for. Why spend so much time in all the captains in Dressrosa if in the end it's going to be Usopp leading the dwarfs and giants, for example?

Jabra

@Sengokusgoat:

I don't see why the Straw Hats would become leaders of any factions. That's not really their style. That's what the Grand Fleet is for. Why spend so much time in all the captains in Dressrosa if in the end it's going to be Usopp leading the dwarfs and giants, for example?

The crew won't command anyone like they are underlings, but I can definitely see the Grand Fleet members rallying behind each Straw Hat voluntarily in the final war.

Like imagine the Fishman Pirates emerging from below and then the scene immediately switches to Jinbe reacting to them. Same with the Dwarves / Usopp and the other examples Miyamoto mentioned. It would be a great opportunity to show that yes, they are all here because of Luffy, but the individual members of the crew are just as important to certain allied factions.

Well, I guess one of the Straw Hats WILL command a big part of the alliance, 8000 people to be precise, but it won't feel too hierarchical I'm sure.

desa

@wolfwood:

Sloth, lust and gluttony.

Three guesses to who is who

That's fat shaming, sir.

wolfwood

@Kishido:

Monster Trio and Jinbe

The pirate king formerly known as Luffy featuring the new monster trio.

@desa:

That's fat shaming, sir.

Just more of him to love.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Sengokusgoat:

I don't see why the Straw Hats would become leaders of any factions. That's not really their style. That's what the Grand Fleet is for. Why spend so much time in all the captains in Dressrosa if in the end it's going to be Usopp leading the dwarfs and giants, for example?

The same way nobody could see Luffy commanding a huge army, well they still went under his banner and followed every word he said.
You are thinking of a traditional commander that comes up with the battle strategy and implements it in battle, nobody expects that, except maybe from Sanji.
But being the emotional leader and inspiring the people that are fighting with you and with whom you have a special relationship? You can bet it will happen.
Heck, ant-like Luffy basically did that with the strongest pirate crew in the world, and he had no prior relationship to them, nor did he once command anything.

And i do not really get why you bring up the Grand Fleet in this since they simply prove the point, it´s different from a traditional power structure but the essence is the same.

And c´mon, Usopp having an army behind him has been built up since his introduction, and at least his relationship to giants with Little Garden, Enies Lobby and his dream to get to Elbaf, almost as long as that.
And equally now, he is the main hero of the Tontattas, God Usopp.

Sengokusgoat

@MiyamotoMusashi:

The same way nobody could see Luffy commanding a huge army, well they still went under his banner and followed every word he said.
You are thinking of a traditional commander that comes up with the battle strategy and implements it in battle, nobody expects that, except maybe from Sanji.
But being the emotional leader and inspiring the people that are fighting with you and with whom you have a special relationship? You can bet it will happen.
Heck, ant-like Luffy basically did that with the strongest pirate crew in the world, and he had no prior relationship to them, nor did he once command anything.

And i do not really get why you bring up the Grand Fleet in this since they simply prove the point, it´s different from a traditional power structure but the essence is the same.

And c´mon, Usopp having an army behind him has been built up since his introduction, and at least his relationship to giants with Little Garden, Enies Lobby and his dream to get to Elbaf, almost as long as that.
And equally now, he is the main hero of the Tontattas, God Usopp.

It has been foreshadowed for Usopp(all his lies) and Luffy(his most dangerous ability) , but not for anyone else. It's that particular structure that I don't see happening. On what grounds would Robin be an inspiring leader for the revolutionaries, for example? And who are people like Cavendish under?

I think it's more likely that something similar as Dressrosa happens and everyone follows Usopp. Because that's his thing. He's the one that gives speeches and always tries to get people on his side (usually with lies but I assume it'd be the truth this time).

Everyone else doing the same thing would almost feel like stepping on his turf.

K. Kira XXIII

There needs to be some sort of allied fodder for the crews of each member of Blackbeard's crew. From their titles, they each have their own ship & crew. If the mirror effect between the Straw Hats and BB pirates is expanded, the people standing behind each Straw Hat would just represent the special bond they particularly have. Like the Minks could be seen standing behind Chopper, Nami or Sanji, because they saved their country. These individuals may be part of the Grand Fleet, or maybe all of them are part of it. If all of them are, then they would simply be Usopp's Army first and foremost.

The Straw Hats would display different variations of leadership. Like seen in Dressrosa. Some more active, others just being the ones leading the charge.

Why else would Commander Chopper exist!?

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RomanceDawn

@Sengokusgoat:

It has been foreshadowed for Usopp(all his lies) and Luffy(his most dangerous ability) , but not for anyone else. It's that particular structure that I don't see happening. On what grounds would Robin be an inspiring leader for the revolutionaries, for example? And who are people like Cavendish under?

I think it's more likely that something similar as Dressrosa happens and everyone follows Usopp. Because that's his thing. He's the one that gives speeches and always tries to get people on his side (usually with lies but I assume it'd be the truth this time).

Everyone else doing the same thing would almost feel like stepping on his turf.

As silly as it sounds you know Oda would have someone as vein as Cavendish working under Sanji just to make sure he is seen in a better light when it comes to beauty. The revolutionaries already regard Robin highly(that was even before she actually met any of them), who knows what she could accomplish later that would cause a large group of them rally behind her during the great war.

There are a million reasons why anyone would follow the individual members of the Straw Hats. Wha does Greg say? Something like, instead of saying how its impossible ask how it would be possible. Each member of the crew is extremely charismatic in their own ways and are leaders in their own rights.

Sengokusgoat

@RomanceDawn:

As silly as it sounds you know Oda would have someone as vein as Cavendish working under Sanji just to make sure he is seen in a better light when it comes to beauty. The revolutionaries already regard Robin highly(that was even before she actually met any of them), who knows what she could accomplish later that would cause a large group of them rally behind her during the great war.

There are a million reasons why anyone would follow the individual members of the Straw Hats. Wha does Greg say? Something like, instead of saying how its impossible ask how it would be possible. Each member of the crew is extremely charismatic in their own ways and are leaders in their own rights.

I don't think it's impossible, just feel like that's not something the story is building towards. I'm not so much asking how it would be possible as why would it happen, in a meta sense.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Sengokusgoat:

It has been foreshadowed for Usopp(all his lies) and Luffy(his most dangerous ability) , but not for anyone else. It's that particular structure that I don't see happening. On what grounds would Robin be an inspiring leader for the revolutionaries, for example? And who are people like Cavendish under?

I think it's more likely that something similar as Dressrosa happens and everyone follows Usopp. Because that's his thing. He's the one that gives speeches and always tries to get people on his side (usually with lies but I assume it'd be the truth this time).

Everyone else doing the same thing would almost feel like stepping on his turf.

Her entire existence is a ray of hope for the Revolutionary Army, which they literally stated when they met her, and after going through two years, she is also beloved by them, even with high ranking members like Koala and Sabo.
Robin is like the personification of the injustice the WG has shown around the world, and such she is a symbolic figure.

Cavendish can follow Usopp, or Luffy, or Sanji.

Once again, you think of highly epic moments where a leader rallies the people that are supposed to follow them, and then command them.
It´s a much more natural progression of people who feel close to each other and are inspired by a specific person, follow said character.

The Tontattos not because Usopp gives a huge speech, but because he fulfilled their 10 year long plan and did not forsake them, same thing is going to happen with the giants, he already has relationships with Hajrudin, Brogy, Dorry, Oimo and Kashi.
Robin because of what she is and being a Revo herself.
Sanji because he might change the Vinsmokes (i know it sounds shitty since they are pretty much Nazi science elite but Oda went the route of being misguided rather than straight out evil) and relationship with Pudding.
Zoro is obvious, it seems like he might even get a relationship to Wa No in one way or the other.
Chopper because he literally saved them and is regarded as the main savior, and the obvious animal theme they share.
Franky is obvious.
Jinbe is obvious.

Nami is kind of difficult, she had a personal and special relationship with Vivi, but also with Lola. We also do not know if and how the Shandians are gonna be relevant.

Brook has no special relationship so far iirc, might lead a part of Zou due to Hone and also saving them, or something else entirely.

K. Kira XXIII

To show the journey and relationships they have built throughout the entire series. During a world war.

Sengokusgoat

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Her entire existence is a ray of hope for the Revolutionary Army, which they literally stated when they met her, and after going through two years, she is also beloved by them, even with high ranking members like Koala and Sabo.
Robin is like the personification of the injustice the WG has shown around the world, and such she is a symbolic figure.

Cavendish can follow Usopp, or Luffy, or Sanji.

Once again, you think of highly epic moments where a leader rallies the people that are supposed to follow them, and then command them.
It´s a much more natural progression of people who feel close to each other and are inspired by a specific person, follow said character.

The Tontattos not because Usopp gives a huge speech, but because he fulfilled their 10 year long plan and did not forsake them, same thing is going to happen with the giants, he already has relationships with Hajrudin, Brogy, Dorry, Oimo and Kashi.
Robin because of what she is and being a Revo herself.
Sanji because he might change the Vinsmokes (i know it sounds shitty since they are pretty much Nazi science elite but Oda went the route of being misguided rather than straight out evil) and relationship with Pudding.
Zoro is obvious, it seems like he might even get a relationship to Wa No in one way or the other.
Chopper because he literally saved them and is regarded as the main savior, and the obvious animal theme they share.
Franky is obvious.
Jinbe is obvious.

Nami is kind of difficult, she had a personal and special relationship with Vivi, but also with Lola. We also do not know if and how the Shandians are gonna be relevant.

Brook has no special relationship so far iirc, might lead a part of Zou due to Hone and also saving them, or something else entirely.

Now I'm really not sure what exactly this 'each SH lead a faction' means if it doesn't involve any actual commanding. If it's just the particular arrangement of the forces in whatever huge battle takes place, then sure, I can see that I guess.

But there's some of these I still disagree with. The Revolutionaries are just too big of a deal to be relegated to rank-and-file followers. Where do Dragon and Sabo fit into this?
Sanji I could see with Germa because it actually would mean a lot narratively for them to end up following their 'failure'. But what's even the Pudding faction? If some of the BMP decide to start following the Strawhats the obvious leader would be Katakuri.
From where are you getting that Chopper is considered the main savior? As far as I remember they considered all the SHs saviors, even the ones that weren't there for indirectly getting Jack away by defeating Doflamingo. You could make the argument that Chopper was the most vital because of his medical treatment, but I don't think the minks themselves ever said anything like that. Likewise, having an animal theme matters little unless they treat him like one of them, which they didn't. Or at least not anymore than everyone else. They think humans are just hairless monkey minks after all. It's not like Zou was the story of Chopper finally finding a place where people accept him like he is or anything like that. It could have been, but it wasn't. The minks didn't treat Chopper any differently than the rest of the crew.
But I could see this if Carrot becomes the leader/representative of whatever mink faction starts following the SHs (which honestly seems like the most obvious place for her character to go), because she does have a lot of respect for her Choniki. She could do a Bartolomeo and go around telling everyone about his wonderful feats.

Cockycent

@Kishido:

Zoro and Sanji sooner or later will be a noticeable above Jinbe.

No doubts about that.

Bookmark me on that

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BTW you monster trio doubters...

I will post Aohige's quote on this.

"This is a common misconception. The term "Monster Trio" is canon, not fanmade.
It's been used quite a few times in the manga, most recently in chapter 606.

Same goes for weakling trio, Usopp actually used the term in the manga as well.

Like I said, that's a common misconception.
Oda does use the term "怪物三人組 (Monster Trio)" in the very manga itself."

It says Monster Threesome tho. I took akagami's word for it at first, but the more I check, it says saningumi means threesome. Not only that, the Alabasta official translation that many referred to was "poor monster" as I posted from my volume b4. Trio is トリオ "Torio". My whole point was not only have I not heard "Monster Trio", i've never gotten it as a thing in the crew like how the "weakling group" has been said. I called it fan made because i've never seen the trio term used no where but among the fans. Are Sanji, Zoro and Luffy ridiculously strong, yes. Have they struggled with opponents that the others ended up beating? That is factual as well.

wolfwood

Making a stand on semantics is seldom a good idea

Jabra

Sanji's following is obviously the armada of super strong NewKama masters, despite them being Revo forces first and foremost.

But I'm fine with anything really, as long as it doesn't involve the fucking Vinsmokes. Sure he can come to terms with them if really necessary, but I think I would vomit in my mouth a little if they fight alongside him in the final war.

Solid

@Daz:

Okay, I'm gonna be that guy: Is it really though? As far as I can recall, there has never been an official declaration of Jinbes dream in the manga. And if there has, its EXTREMELY understated compared to every single crewmate before him, where Oda """""""Wasted"""""" (I don't know if I can put an adequate amount of quotation marks here) time showing it on-panel, in full, dedicated flashbacks. And that distinction is severely felt, because the ultimate dream Jibnbe, a supposedly main character, shouldn't be "pieced together", or "inferred", or something thats "obvious if you read between the lines and consider X and Y and Z". It should be dramatized in a big and obvious way that spotlights the character above all others. Thats why all the other crewmates didn't get piecemeal motivations delivered across hundreds of chapters, but small stories within stories dedicated wholly to them. Jinbe has absolutely nothing comparable to Franky announcing his intention to build the best ship ever as hes torpedoed by a Sea train designed by his shipwright master as it carries said master off to prison after using Frankys warships to frame him.

And no, the Fishman Island flashback is not Jinbes flashback. The main dramatic focus is the Royal family and Otohime, they get the brunt of the screentime and the dramtic finish, whereas Fisher Tiger gets wrapped up first, and does very little to spotlight Jinbe above the rest of the characters. When Fisher Tiger dies Jinbe gets exactly as much reaction time as the other main sun pirates - something unthinkable for any other Straw Hat.

In the absence of a formally stated dream, Jinbe mostly seem intent on joining because of his utter devotion to Luffy. Which is something every other crewmember has, sure…in addition to a goal they pursue regardless of Luffy. Oda once said that every Straw Hat could stand by themselves as a main protagonist. Jinbe feels like the only one where that doesn't apply.

Also, I like the guy and he will join, but man his cover story was awful

He hasnt even settled in the ship yet, chill out dude.
And his dream is more complex than the other SHs, and there no direct path to achieve it. We readers know that a big war will eventually happen that will change the world, but Jinbei only got a hunch about it.

https://imgur.com/a/GJjCKwa

The other strawhats got different kind of dreams, some about self improvement, and some are old promises, I dont see why only Jinbeis dream got to be singled out for being different.

Cockycent

They forced it by saying Monster Trio isn't a fan made term. When I pull up official panels and trio's real translation, i'm using "semantics"

Watch someone try and force the fan made term again. 3rd time someone has brought actual manga panels and they're still against the truth

wolfwood

@Cockycent:

They forced it by saying Monster Trio isn't a fan made term. When I pull up official panels and trio's real translation, i'm using "semantics" [qimg]https://boxden.com/smilies/opyd6v.png[/qimg]

Watch someone try and force the fan made term again. 3rd time someone has brought actual manga panels and they're still against the truth [qimg]https://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5360/pachah.png[/qimg]

When someone pulls the exact wording from Japanese and you still chose to fight it on the grounds that the exact wording isn't used in the English translation then you are clearly just looking to save face by playing the semantics card. You were wrong, Kishido were right and you should just gracefully excuse yourself. But i know you won't

Cockycent

@wolfwood:

When someone pulls the exact wording from Japanese and you still chose to fight it on the grounds that the exact wording isn't used in the English translation then you are clearly just looking to save face by playing the semantics card. You were wrong, Kishido were right and you should just gracefully excuse yourself. But i know you won't

Saningumi was said to be "trio". I took his and Akagami's word for it and easily said I was wrong. Found out it means threesome later on and i'm gonna bring it up, of course. Again, if you point out monster trio in the manga and not from what fans say, then i'll say that it is in the manga. Throw those characters in translate and it will come out as threesome.

IIRC someone also said that the term was used in Alabasta and that wasn't true as Akagami pointed out. Then you said "three monsters" again, which proves my point that "monster trio" is fan made. Forcing 3 monsters into monster trio is semantics on your part.

otakufan

"Sanningumi" means a group of three people. Any Japanese-English translator in the world could come up with several different ways to spin that, with "trio" and "threesome" both being near the top of the list.

You're splitting hairs.

Cockycent

The irony in saying that something can easily be flipped by translators, but then saying someone else is using semantics or splitting hairs…

desa

I doubt anyone would translate the term as threesome in english since we are not talking about the sexual practice.

Kzmrlo

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Cockycent

@desa:

I doubt anyone would translate the term as threesome in english since we are not talking about the sexual practice.

3some isn't just sexual, but I agree that dirty minds would take it there. 3some is any activity by the way

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@Kzmrlo:

I think Watatsumi is Jinbe's dream. A evil fish kid who wanted to kill humans because he was born in shit condition than he meets Jinbe and now he starts to be a good kid and helps the mugis. ( Jinbe's stepfather role) and in the end he will help and works with the humans (Otohime's De eau)

Jinbei is too cool to be a pop. He's an uncle. Uncles are better

Triceron

@Cockycent:

3some isn't just sexual, but I agree that dirty minds would take it there. 3some is any activity by the way

If you are using "Threesome" outside sexual context, you're using it wrong.

No one is going to take "Monster Threesome" the same way you want it to mean. Context is why translation and transliteration are two different things

Cockycent

@Triceron:

If you are using "Threesome" outside sexual context, you're using it wrong.

No one is going to take "Monster Threesome" the same way you want it to mean. Context is why translation and transliteration are two different things

I didn't care to try, but if you want to, you can look up 3some in the dictionary. There are people in the world that won't take threesome sexual. As I said, it's been associated mostly with sex, so I agreed with desa.

How is someone using threesome wrong because it's become most popular with sex? It's like saying that gay can't describe anything outside of sexual preference. I'm capable of continuing this, but it's getting too far away from the thread topic. Maybe you guys agree.

desa

@Cockycent:

3some isn't just sexual, but I agree that dirty minds would take it there. 3some is any activity by the way

I'm fairly sure people use it for the sexual context in america. Which is why I believe it would be translated to trio or trinity or triad in the context of an american public.

FelRes

Ain't nobody saying threesome and referring to anything other than the naughty thing. The second you learn is the second you stop because you never want to mix something like that up lol.

Cockycent

@desa:

I'm fairly sure people use it for the sexual context in america. Which is why I believe it would be translated to trio or trinity or triad in the context of an american public.

Funny thing is that in all 3 panels that I posted from the volumes, the word "trio" isn't used at all. Trinity and triad haven't either. In the raw, trio's "Torio" isn't used either. Which goes back to the original point that monster trio is fan made and we can discuss 3some as much as we want. Trio hasn't appeared in the manga. It could in the future, but it hasn't so far.

Shiebs

I thought ahogie said that monster trio was used, are we really gonna doubt one of the best translators on the net?

Cockycent

Don't know who ahog is, but the raw doesn't use trio in TB (Nami) or around FI (Caribou). "Monster" that was said in Alabasta is referring to the defeated and not Luffy, Sanji and Zoro. Again, fan made. I understand that translators have to change some things around, but until Viz or the raw uses trio for the 3 aforementioned, even ahog is wrong on this trio matter.

Triceron

@Cockycent:

I didn't care to try, but if you want to, you can look up 3some in the dictionary. There are people in the world that won't take threesome sexual. As I said, it's been associated mostly with sex, so I agreed with desa.

How is someone using threesome wrong because it's become most popular with sex? It's like saying that gay can't describe anything outside of sexual preference. I'm capable of continuing this, but it's getting too far away from the thread topic. Maybe you guys agree.

We call that arguing semantics, which you seem to refuse to accept. We all know Monster Trio as the common translation just like we all accept 'crewmate' as the commonly agreed translation for Nakama, despite the obvious difference. The context is more important than the transliteration. When we say Strawhat Crewmate, it has more meaning to it because we have commonly accepted that as the translation.

But if you really want to call them Monster Threesome, I won't judge.

Cockycent

@Triceron:

We call that arguing semantics, which you seem to refuse to accept.

But keep on pushing Monster Threesome, I won't judge.

I didn't argue Monster Threesome. Akagam said saningumi meant trio, when trio is Torio and saningumi is threesome. Then the goalpost was moved to adjust to me finding out the real meaning. You seem like the the one that won't accept that trio isn't used in the 3 Viz panels I post and that Torio isn't used in the raw. Not my job to help you understand these things, so i'm not gonna argue what Oda has done. While you and others pull up what a translator told you. Why did the translator tell you something that is besides what was in Viz and the raw, idk

FelRes

@Cockycent:

Don't know who ahog is

This should be a bannable offense. Also what does any of this have to do with newkama.

Kishido

@FelRes:

This should be a bannable offense. Also what does any of this have to do with newkama.

I totally is… And nothing to do with it