Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)

Shift

Well, I don't think that is quite fair. Some of those cats are pretty well mimicking members of the cast. Zoro, Brooks and Jinbe have really obvious parallels there and Nami is only slightly less so.
So when Oda sketched it, he may have been intending for the other cats to represent crew members too. And maybe he thought it was "obvious", but it isn't. Or maybe he intended to be subtle with all of them, but then he couldn't think of a good way to do some subtly and so he made them really obvious.

Am I being unfair to you personally or what? It's unfair to want something more than maybe some cats are obvious, maybe Oda gave up halfway? I could say the cat in goggles is Lindbergh and the cat in the open shirt is Belo Betty, does that make it foreshadowing too?

SuburbanErrorist

Caribou has shown slight signs, somewhat similar to Robin and Franky. Its funny how Luffy seems cool with him now.. unlike ceaser

Cockycent

Luffy can read personalities. Just like he felt that Bellamy changed, he can feel the same for Caribou. Bellamy showed that he changed and Caribou did as well through his cover story and helping in Wano.

Then there's Gastino who hasn't changed. He's been forced to do most f his "good" deeds. Just a survivalist. Caribou actually developed a lil bit. I don't see any of them being SH tho

On the other hand, Kiku and Raizo are looking like something

FelRes

Gastino doesn't need to change, he was pure and noble to begin with.

Shiebs

I don't see any chance of Caribou joining, like at all,

Things a straw hat member needs:
A tragic Backstory
A dream they can only accomplish by sailing with the SH's
A unique design that has some thought put into it
some sort of role only they can fill in the crew (or they are far better suited at it then others)
Form a bond with Luffy
and some sort of fighting style that can lead to a variety of different attacks (this one I never see mentioned but I think it's true)

FelRes

@Shiebs:

I don't see any chance of Caribou joining, like at all,

Things a straw hat member needs:
A tragic Backstory
A dream they can only accomplish by sailing with the SH's
A unique design that has some thought put into it
some sort of role only they can fill in the crew (or they are far better suited at it then others)
Form a bond with Luffy
and some sort of fighting style that can lead to a variety of different attacks (this one I never see mentioned but I think it's true)

He has those. The rest can be filled in later.

Johnny B. Decent

If you honestly think there's any chance of Caribou joining, you're a very silly person.

No Zaku

The biggest and really the only thing Caribou has going for him joining the SHs is if Oda wanted to add a Logia to the SHs. And there aren't really any other Logias that could join unless Oda adds a new one. However, I could see Sabo joining in epilogue.

Shiebs

@No:

The biggest and really the only thing Caribou has going for him joining the SHs is if Oda wanted to add a Logia to the SHs. And there aren't really any other Logias that could join unless Oda adds a new one. However, I could see Sabo joining in epilogue.

Honestly if crocodile didn't have Mr.1 as a lackey I'd tots be rooting for him to be the next strawhat

FelRes

@Johnny:

If you honestly think there's any chance of Caribou joining, you're a very silly person.

That's not even a counterargument, you're just dismissing without entertaining the thought.

Triceron

@No:

The biggest and really the only thing Caribou has going for him joining the SHs is if Oda wanted to add a Logia to the SHs. And there aren't really any other Logias that could join unless Oda adds a new one. However, I could see Sabo joining in epilogue.

cough Dead Monet's snow-snow fruit seeded on the Sunny cough

Shiebs

@Triceron:

cough Dead Monet's snow-snow fruit seeded on the Sunny cough

That would require Monet to be dead, which she isn't

and you think the Straw hats would have noticed if there was a devil fruit aboard

although she does have 2.9 devil fruit doesn't she….. not gonna happen in a million years though, she poisoned children

Johnny B. Decent

@FelRes:

That's not even a counterargument, you're just dismissing without entertaining the thought.

There's nothing to entertain. He's a serial killer, a would-be rapist, a slave trader and who abandoned his brother when he tried to save him. There's no way he's ever joining.

Shiebs

@Johnny:

There's nothing to entertain. He's a serial killer, a would-be rapist, a slave trader and who abandoned his brother when he tried to save him. There's no way he's ever joining.

Your absolutely right…. his brother should join! :ninja:

who doesn't want a guy with a gecko for hair on there crew

Sengokusgoat

@Shiebs:

That would require Monet to be dead, which she isn't

and you think the Straw hats would have noticed if there was a devil fruit aboard

although she does have 2.9 devil fruit doesn't she….. not gonna happen in a million years though, she poisoned children

Well, considering Absalom's situation, maybe wanting to re-use a a devil fruit is a legit reason for Oda to kill people now.

You'd think someone would have realized they have a devil fruit on the ship by now if that was the case, though.

Shiebs

@Sengokusgoat:

Well, considering Absalom's situation, maybe wanting to re-use a a devil fruit is a legit reason for Oda to kill people now.

You'd think someone would have realized they have a devil fruit on the ship by now if that was the case, though.

Pretty much my main problem with the theory, I mean I still don't think Monet's dead I just think it's also highly unlikely that no one would have noticed a random devil fruit on board, especially since they seemed like they had no food when sanji was gone hence why Luffy tried to eat a poison fish

but you do bring up a good point, the last 2.9 devil fruit could be taken from someone who originally had it and given to a new character who then joins!

maybe Kuma? Vegapunk figures out a way to transfer DF's either lethally or non lethally? who else has a 2.9 DF? Kinemon right?

Sugeeking

@Jeff:

Koby will join after the reverie. He was the first one before Zorro. His desire is to become an admiral but after the reverie he will realize that the navy is the wrong party. He should be Garp 2.0 and this renounced the Admiral position. Koby could do that, too. Why? Maybe because Garp could die. Garp and Roger were rivals and friends, and Luffy and Koby are really just friends. He has a lot of knowledge in all areas and could answer the question of the vice. Garp was a former pirate in Romance Dawn and maybe Oda will pick it up. Garp certainly had a reason to go to the Navy. And Koby because pirates are bad but he knows a better example with Luffy.

That's… an interesting theory.

But I rather see him as the one who will lead or help reform the navy precisely because he realizes that it is the wrong party. At this point of the narrative it would be perhaps even disrespectful to the character to make him switch gears, and I understand the logic you are applying here but becoming a navy admiral is his life dream.

KageKageKing

@Jeff:

Koby will join after the reverie. He was the first one before Zorro. His desire is to become an admiral but after the reverie he will realize that the navy is the wrong party. He should be Garp 2.0 and this renounced the Admiral position. Koby could do that, too. Why? Maybe because Garp could die. Garp and Roger were rivals and friends, and Luffy and Koby are really just friends. He has a lot of knowledge in all areas and could answer the question of the vice. Garp was a former pirate in Romance Dawn and maybe Oda will pick it up. Garp certainly had a reason to go to the Navy. And Koby because pirates are bad but he knows a better example with Luffy.

Even if that would happen, it would be most likely for him to join the Revolutionary Army.

Sengokusgoat

I want to say Tama right now. She checks so many boxes that honestly there'd be no arguing her if she wasn't a kid.

But since a time fruit is already involved in the backstory and we have not one but two child characters with goals that pretty much would require growing up, I think there's a very legit possibility that some timey-wimey stuff happens and she won't be a kid by the end of the arc.

Shift

@Sengokusgoat:

I want to say Tama right now. She checks so many boxes that honestly there'd be no arguing her if she wasn't a kid.

But since a time fruit is already involved in the backstory and we have not one but two child characters with goals that pretty much would require growing up, I think there's a very legit possibility that some timey-wimey stuff happens and she won't be a kid by the end of the arc.

There'd be plenty of arguing even if she was older, that's just the way it goes.

Triceron

I still have my reservations that Jinbei will join the crew.

I don't think it's a mere coincidence that he's been pushed back so far. It makes sense to leave him out of the arcs since it gives room for other characters to develop and shine. At the same time he's been pushed back so many times that he almost has as much character interaction with the crew as Ace or Sabo, and I think he's better left as an ally in that regard. His inclusion really messes up the 'Monster Trio'.

Which leans into the next potential crewmate….

Shiebs

@Triceron:

I still have my reservations that Jinbei will join the crew.

I don't think it's a mere coincidence that he's been pushed back so far. It makes sense to leave him out of the arcs since it gives room for other characters to develop and shine. At the same time he's been pushed back so many times that he almost has as much character interaction with the crew as Ace or Sabo, and I think he's better left as an ally in that regard. His inclusion really messes up the 'Monster Trio'.

Which leans into the next potential crewmate….

No just no, he's going to join the crew, hell he already has, what is it going to take for people to wake up to that fact, hell they even put him as a crew member on the vivre cards, Luffy says he's his captain, what needs to happen for you to see what's waving you right in the face

God I thought we were done with this

Wintermute

If he's not joining it'd be because of his death. Do we need such a trigger for Luffy?

Cockycent

Almost all of the SH crew had an issue or was against Luffy at first, except Brook I think. Brook was friendly from the jump.

Zoro was on some "get out of here" kind of vibe

Nami was using him

Usopp tried to take advantage of them

Sanji looked down on him kinda

Chopper was shy, but had a bad history with anyone i(including reindeer)

Robin was a full blown enemy

Franky took their money

The only conflict with Brook was his obligation, until he found out it aligned with their adventure

Jinbei was a Warlord and the situation brought him and Luffy together, but in any other situation, Arlong's actions will have to be remembered

Point is, most of these relationships started off shaky, not all though. Any criteria used to predict possible nakama has to be at least as consistent as this.

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@Triceron:

I still have my reservations that Jinbei will join the crew.

I don't think it's a mere coincidence that he's been pushed back so far. It makes sense to leave him out of the arcs since it gives room for other characters to develop and shine. At the same time he's been pushed back so many times that he almost has as much character interaction with the crew as Ace or Sabo, and I think he's better left as an ally in that regard. His inclusion really messes up the 'Monster Trio'.

Which leans into the next potential crewmate….

Monster trio is fan made tho lol. I never understood it honestly. Almost every SH have taken on opponents that 1 of the "Monster trio" would've have ridiculous difficulty beating

.access timeco.

How Jinbe joining messes the Monster Trio? If anything the Monster Trio has a vacant spot waiting for him now that Luffy clearly got way ahead of Zoro and Sanji (and it's extremely unlikely thi gap will ever close as Luffy is bound to match Emperors while Zoro and Sanji will most likely end at the level of top commanders).

nhathongminh

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Shiebs

Seeing as how Kaido had the three calamities Big Mom had the three sweet commanders and White Beards top 3 Commanders got waaaay more focus then any of the other members of his crew, I'd say having Jinbei as his third most powerful member of his crew fits perfectly for a Yonko…. and future pirate king

Oh yeah and Shanks has Ben beckmen, Yasoop and Lucky Roo

Triceron

@Shiebs:

No just no, he's going to join the crew, hell he already has, what is it going to take for people to wake up to that fact, hell they even put him as a crew member on the vivre cards, Luffy says he's his captain, what needs to happen for you to see what's waving you right in the face

God I thought we were done with this

Sure.

And just as easily any time, he could be written to die. Both can be true.

Shiebs

@Triceron:

Sure.

And just as easily any time, he could be written to die. Both can be true.

no both can't be right! he either joins or he doesn't, there's no in between and it's so ridiculously obvious that he's going to join that I'm not sure if your trolling

Triceron

Not really trolling

My point is more that he could join the crew and still be written to die or even have died, since we honestly dont know his current situation. With Luffy saying he is his captain, he is practically official as a strawhat, and dying doesnt change that.

So in terms of regarding whether he joined the crew or not, it can be explained as yes, because Luffy said so.

Of course Im not saying this is what I think will happen or should happen. Quite the opposite, since Luffy orders him to survive and it would be anticlimactic to off him. But in regards to him being a crewmember or dying, whether he dies or not he is already under Luffys command.

Kdom

@Cockycent:

Monster trio is fan made tho lol. I never understood it honestly. Almost every SH have taken on opponents that 1 of the "Monster trio" would've have ridiculous difficulty beating

I think Monster trio is a term officially used in the manga by Nami or Ussop. That say it is not something set in stone

MiyamotoMusashi

What sense does the term monster trio make if the strongest member of it has a bigger gap between him and the rest of the trio than they have with the rest of the crew?

Franky, Robin, even Brook, are closer to Sanji and Zoro than the latter are to Luffy right now, and with Luffy learning yet another ability that separates the top from the rest, it will not change.

Like people said, it either develops into a copy of the other Yonkou crews with the three commanders, or it will be similar to Roger and Shanks ´ crew with the vice captain being also separating himself from the rest of the crew, and the captain still being significantly stronger.

Jabra

Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will form the "Sweet Commanders" of the Straw Hats, but this will obviously never be addressed within the crew (just like Vice Captain). But outsiders will definitely give those three top guys a name. Just not sure what that name could be.

It's also extremely fitting and certainly no coincidence that Luffy's top guys all fight with something he has a natural weakness to: sharp objects, heat and water.

Sengokusgoat

People didn't really stop hating on Brook until WCI so I'm not surprised there are still Jinbe deniers. And poor mystery #11 is going to have such a hard time getting accepted by the fandom after joining so late and so many years of speculation and fantasizing.

NamiRobinFrankyAce

I'll be honest,i love Jinbe,but i also think he has 'death' written on his face since the first arc he appeared. Since Impel Down,then in Marineford and even in Whole Cake Island,Jinbei always said "I am ready to die for this cause",and in the end,he probably will. He will sacrifice himself for the crew in the Wano arc i think. I dont think he will just "be killed",i think he will precisely have a honorable death sacrificing himself for the crew. Jinbei is like Mr. 2,they always sacrifice theirselves for Luffy and the crew.

wolfwood

@Kdom:

I think Monster trio is a term officially used in the manga by Nami or Ussop. That say it is not something set in stone

Yeah i distinctly remember Nami making the distinction of the strong trio and the weakling trio on thriller bark

Sengokusgoat

I think the first time they said it was in Alabasta. And at that point it was obvious because there were three guys that were obviously fighters and three who weren't. It's not an official category, just an ad hoc term created to simbolize the huge gap between those three and everyone else, which probably still exists. If someone else on that level joins we just need to update the terminology.

Jabra

Caribou called them "those monstrous three" during fishman island, that was the only instance so far.

Every other time it was the "weakling trio" seperating itself from the rest (including Robin and Franky once they joined).

KageKageKing

@NamiRobinFrankyAce:

I'll be honest,i love Jinbe,but i also think he has 'death' written on his face since the first arc he appeared. Since Impel Down,then in Marineford and even in Whole Cake Island,Jinbei always said "I am ready to die for this cause",and in the end,he probably will. He will sacrifice himself for the crew in the Wano arc i think. I dont think he will just "be killed",i think he will precisely have a honorable death sacrificing himself for the crew. Jinbei is like Mr. 2,they always sacrifice theirselves for Luffy and the crew.

Just like Zoro in Thriller Bark. Oh, wait. He is not dead.

wolfwood

@Jabra:

Caribou called them "those monstrous three" during fishman island, that was the only instance so far.

Every other time it was the "weakling trio" seperating itself from the rest (including Robin and Franky once they joined).

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The three monsters, those three monsters. Calling them monster trio is just going of an established concept in the manga itself and making it easier to say. The concept itself is not fanmade, but if you want to go semantical and say that the exact wording isn't in the manga then sure, but everything about the concept itself and those three who it refers to is well established

Cockycent

None of these mention a monster trio

! https://imgur.com/BNhVK4z

! https://imgur.com/pi7tZjo

! https://imgur.com/c6L9yJo

Again Monster Trio is fan made

NamiRobinFrankyAce

@KageKageKing:

Just like Zoro in Thriller Bark. Oh, wait. He is not dead.

Ok you can quote to me all the characters that were willing to sacrifice theirselves in the story. There are a lot of them,because One Piece is a manga full of honorable characters with a strong sense of honor. But i dont think this totally deletes my point. I think that with Jinbe,this was always a recurring theme in his dialogues. And that might mean something. We'll see.

Jabra

@wolfwood:

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The three monsters, those three monsters. Calling them monster trio is just going of an established concept in the manga itself and making it easier to say. The concept itself is not fanmade, but if you want to go semantical and say that the exact wording isn't in the manga then sure, but everything about the concept itself and those three who it refers to is well established

No one denies that they were always considered the top fighters of the crew. But it's not the sacred and unshakable dynamic that many anti-Jinbe posters argued in the past.
You could even argue that Brook joined the "weakling trio" after his antics in Dressrosa (being afraid to be alone on the ship with Nami and Chopper), so I see no issues with Jinbe joining the top three fighters, with Luffy being on an entirely different level at this point (similiar to every single Yonkou crew out here).

In my book the only untouchable dynamic is the Zoro / Nami Vice Captain tango, but even here I could see Oda adding Jinbe as the third "advisor figure" to further dilute any hirarchical constructs within the crew. Though my guess is that he will hold back on that front once he joined, and only share his thoughts when asked.

wolfwood

@Jabra:

No one denies that they were always considered the top fighters of the crew. But it's not the sacred and unshakable dynamic that many anti-Jinbe posters argued in the past.

Oh yeah no it's not like an official hierarchy thing that one must join. It's just a designation for the strongest/primary fighters in the crew. Certainly nothing that would stop things from becoming a monster quartet

You could even argue that Brook joined the "weakling trio" after his antics in Dressrosa (being afraid to be alone on the ship with Nami and Chopper), so I see no issues with Jinbe joining the top three fighters, with Luffy being on an entirely different level at this point (similiar to every single Yonkou crew out here).

Seems perfectly sensible to me that Jinbei should step up as another heavy hitter now that Luffy has clearly moved beyond his former fellows. But with that said i do think Jinbei won't be doing as much of that type of standing on top of a pile of beaten foes thing you expect from the old monsters.

In my book the only untouchable dynamic is the Zoro / Nami Vice Captain tango, but even here I could see Oda adding Jinbe as the third "advisor figure" to further dilute any hirarchical constructs within the crew. Though my guess is that he will hold back on that front once he joined, and only share his thoughts when asked.

Following up on the above i absolutely agree that he does seem more suited to something of a sidelines guiding role. He feels like the Martian Manhunter in the justice league. Super strong, but still at his best as a guiding force than as a striker.

Sengokusgoat

@Jabra:

No one denies that they were always considered the top fighters of the crew. But it's not the sacred and unshakable dynamic that many anti-Jinbe posters argued in the past.
You could even argue that Brook joined the "weakling trio" after his antics in Dressrosa (being afraid to be alone on the ship with Nami and Chopper), so I see no issues with Jinbe joining the top three fighters, with Luffy being on an entirely different level at this point (similiar to every single Yonkou crew out here).

In my book the only untouchable dynamic is the Zoro / Nami Vice Captain tango, but even here I could see Oda adding Jinbe as the third "advisor figure" to further dilute any hirarchical constructs within the crew. Though my guess is that he will hold back on that front once he joined, and only share his thoughts when asked.

Honestly we saw just as much vice-captain Jinbe in WCI as we saw helsman Jinbe. Maybe even more. Just look at him stepping up to take charge in Luffy's absence after Pedro blew up. That's exactly the role of a Vice-captain.

akagami7

@Cockycent:

None of these mention a monster trio

! https://imgur.com/BNhVK4z

! https://imgur.com/pi7tZjo

! https://imgur.com/c6L9yJo

Again Monster Trio is fan made

You are only right about the arabasta one. The other two use strong when the raw says monster.

! https://i.imgur.com/jBHIJLN.png

! https://i.imgur.com/QqFrpry.png

怪物 (kaibutsu) means monster 三人組 (sanningumi) means trio, literally group of three people.

Cockycent

@akagami7:

You are only right about the arabasta one. The other two use strong when the raw says monster.

! https://i.imgur.com/jBHIJLN.png

! https://i.imgur.com/QqFrpry.png

怪物 (kaibutsu) means monster 三人組 (sanningumi) means trio, literally group of three people.

Didn't know that. All I know is Sannin from Naruto. Thanks for the correction

FleetAdmiralAkainu

Strongest to weakest:

1. Luffy, who is 2x stronger than Zoro or Sanji. I don't see him being able to fight both of them.
2. Zoro, who is a minuscule amount stronger than Sanji
3. Sanji, who is stronger than Jinbei, at least I would prefer him at this rank and think it would be an interesting discussion if we argued who's stronger
4. Jinbei, I think he is a little bit stronger than Franky
5. Franky, who is too aggressive and masculine for Robin even though she could become a giant
6. Chopper, I think he is now stronger than Robin in his giant monster form and can fight
7. Robin, is she stronger than Nami now that Nami can manipulate weather? For now, I'd let her hold this rank
8. Nami
9. Usopp

FelRes

@FleetAdmiralAkainu:

Strongest to weakest:

1. Luffy, who is 2x stronger than Zoro or Sanji. I don't see him being able to fight both of them.
2. Zoro, who is a minuscule amount stronger than Sanji
3. Sanji, who is stronger than Jinbei, at least I would prefer him at this rank and think it would be an interesting discussion if we argued who's stronger
4. Jinbei, I think he is a little bit stronger than Franky
5. Franky, who is too aggressive and masculine for Robin even though she could become a giant
6. Chopper, I think he is now stronger than Robin in his giant monster form and can fight
7. Robin, is she stronger than Nami now that Nami can manipulate weather? For now, I'd let her hold this rank
8. Nami
9. Usopp

Where dafuq is Brook

Straw Hat power ranking are always dumb anyway since you got Robin who can just snap people in half which would put her above Zoro since Luffy's the only one immune to her.

Jabra

Once the war is over:

1. Luffy

Long time nothing

2. Zoro / Sanji / Jinbe, in that order. Will be treated as equals by the outside world, the "Sweet Commanders" of the Straw Hats, but the reader will definitely get the idea that Zoro is stronger than Sanji and Sanji stronger than Jinbe. It's like Marco > Jozu > Vista, despite no one ever ranking them on panel.
Likely that Zoro will get an extra scoop of street cred because Zoro.

3. Franky / Robin / last Member. Potentially as powerful as the above three, but only in favorable niche situations. They kind of have to be that strong in order to compete with the level sixers of Blackbeards crew.

4. Usopp / Nami / Brook / Chopper

That's my bet. Rough tiers, with some variance and "anything can happen in a fight" taken into account.