I think you guys are looking to deep into that, making mountains out of molehills but I guess we'll see
But yeah, I guess we'll see.
I think you guys are looking to deep into that, making mountains out of molehills but I guess we'll see
But yeah, I guess we'll see.
I think you guys are looking to deep into that, making mountains out of molehills but I guess we'll see
There's nothing yet to be seen in what I said, though, I talked about something that already happened: she fulfilled the lookout position during the WCI arc. That's a done, wrapped, shipped and delivered at your doorstep fact.
If that will lead to her getting hired for the job, now that's a whole different thing - and, with each new chapter, less likely to become reality.
Carrot is unique among all the traveling companions in the sense that she fulfilled a role as a member of the ship's crew at some point. Law, Momo, Kin'emon, Johnny & Yosaku, Caesar, Pedro, none of those who were on the Sunny at some point performed a role on the crew (heck, not even Vivi and she actually was one of the Strawhats).
The fact that it stands out from those made some of us believe it was a hint she would not just be a temporary companion like the others, but it could just as well be that she is the first of a new wave of traveling companions who will carry their own weight when on the Sunny (or none of those and she will be just a weird case that didn't fit the mold but still lead nowhere. Maybe a red herring, maybe just Oda having fun and trying new things).
I'm not gonna get into this argument because everything that could be said already has been said, from people like Robby, Count Mario etc. who can argue the case a lot better than I can
I'd honestly be fine with Carrot joining I just don't think she will, I love the character just don't think she's a future straw hat, I'd be fine to be proved wrong
I'll def change my opinion the second she gets a sad backstory and some sort of Dream she needs to accomplish that can only be achieved by sailing with the strawhats
From the One Piece Databooks we know that we get 13 Strawhats . But we dont know the 11th and the 12th* Strawhat
AB = Brook
CD = Chopper
EF = Franky
GH = Hyogoro ?, Hiyori ?, Hancock?
IJ = Jinbe
KL = Luffy
MN = Nami
OP = Otama or Pudding ?
QR = Robin
ST = Sanji
UV = Usopp
WX = Wednesday alias Vivi and X for the Xmark and the Promise
YZ = Zorro
I hope Carrot joins too as a Lookout
11 = Merry
12 = Sunny
Forgot where I seen this tho. Has to be Vivre Card
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But yeah, I guess we'll see.
It's kind of weird that people just deleted these from their memory, but good job
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I understand the desire for Carrot to be the next Nakama, however I don't understand the whole push for the lookout position
I rather there be no new SH members
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No. It wasn't. It was not emphasized even once.
It was. Someone even made a collage with most of the panels
She was in the crows nest some. So were Pedro, Chopper and Brook, and in the past Zoro has basically lived up there. and we've seen Robin and Usopp up there as well. No attention was ever drawn to her having a unusual or especially good ability at it, nor did she actually spot anything far enough in advance to actually help avoid it. While actively missing things like giant octopuses and fish the size the boat or fleets of enemies.
Wrong again. She is there more than Pedro or anyone else during this arc. That is why I said the role is being emphasized for her as a lookout. Wanda asked her to do it in her 2nd chapter. She is then in the crow's nest doing it for most of the 3rd longest arcs. More than Pedro or anyone else and Brook is never there during this arc. His role is clear that he is the musician and keeps the spirit of the crew up. usopp took care of the Merry, but we got a proper shipwright in Franky. Many have handled the helm, but now we have 1 in Jinbe.
Try reading 829, where Pedro let her be in the Crow's nest and after that she took up that spot for most of the arc and he was never there again, 805 where she is being a lookout for Wanda when she jumps really high, 879 when she points out the exact direction that the BM Pirates are coming from, 880 from the crow's nest when she warns them of the incoming wave, 884 where's she's looking out, towards the end of 885 when she says "all clear" from the crow's nest, 888 right before she goes into Sulong, 898 where she tells everyone that Sanji is on the way while in the crow's nest, 899 when she warns Nami of the fleet ahead from the CN (crow's nest) and almost is attacked by Daifuku before Sanji defends her, 903 when she got the paper. All of these moments from the crow's nest where she is bing the lookout. That is emphasizing if i've ever seen it. Especially since I didn't list all of it.
Try vocalizing all that out loud and see if you can still take it seriously. "She got the paper." like really dude
Where on earth are you getting 13 bonding scenes from. That's so specific. She's only ever bonded with Chopper and Sanji. Closest thing she had to bonding with Nami was sitting in the bath while Nami and Chiffon had a convo. Then nothing with Brook and Jinbe. She's rabbit Luffy but doesn't actually have a noteworthy moment with him at any point.
Um, this is wrong. You gotta reread some chapters. There are 2-5 with Luffy and at least 1 with Brook. Funny that out of the 7+ moments where she is in the crow's nest or being a lookout, you nitpicked the 1 where she is getting the paper. That is all you do. Belittle and nitpick. No argument whatsoever. She was there for most of the arc and on the way to Wano. You want to change what happened in your head due to bias obviously. So many others have to remind you of things, but you still come up with excuses.
"Try reading again…"
Practice what you preach. Brooke and Chopper were both on the crow's nest during WCI.
I have posted the image before, and you can look for it now. Because, the same way as before there will be an excuse: " they barely were showed there", "they didn't do anything". So I am not posting it again.
And it is great that you mentioned all those moments. Robby was exactly stating that Carrot did not provide any sort of edge in any of those moments. They didn't avoid any of the upcoming threats because she saw them ahead of time, she merely stated what was already there. An example would be them avoiding the tsunami and Jimbe not having to surf it. Or them avoiding the encirclement so Carrot didn't have to go Sulong, etc, etc.
But again, the same way it goes from: "Carrot is the only Mink that wears gloves" to "They emphasized her getting gloves". This will be: "Brooke was not on the crow's nest" to "Brooke was not emphasized in the crow's nest".
@K.:
"Try reading again…"
Practice what you preach. Brooke and Chopper were both on the crow's nest during WCI.
I have posted the image before, and you can look for it now. Because, the same way as before there will be an excuse: " they barely were showed there", "they didn't do anything". So I am not posting it again.
And it is great that you mentioned all those moments. Robby was exactly stating that Carrot did not provide any sort of edge in any of those moments. They didn't avoid any of the upcoming threats because she saw them ahead of time, she merely stated what was already there. An example would be them avoiding the tsunami and Jimbe not having to surf it. Or them avoiding the encirclement so Carrot didn't have to go Sulong, etc, etc.
But again, the same way it goes from: "Carrot is the only Mink that wears gloves" to "They emphasized her getting gloves". This will be: "Brooke was not on the crow's nest" to "Brooke was not emphasized in the crow's nest".
No matter how many times you try to reword what he said to back him up, he was still wrong. Carrot was emphasized in role and was actually in the Crow's Nest, more than anyone during this arc. I have fully countered all of his points. But go ahead and be wrong again
You fully countered his points by being wrong about Brooke not being in the crow's nest.
No worries, I am not the reword master like yourself.
Being wrong about Brook means that Carrot wasn't emphasized now? Ok
Name 4 times where Brook was being a lookout of in the Crow's Nest during WCI arc?
It shows the bias you accuse others of having.
No counter arguments, just nitpicking. The only good point against Carrot is there isn't a specified dream. Barely anyone wants to talk about that. it's a great point tho. I don't get why they wouldn't.
She was indeed shown in the Crow's Nest and looked out for the crew. There's no changing that. No matter the bias.
The counter arguments have already been posted. Also if the arguments are based on flawed premises you just need to point out the flaw.
Was Carrot on the crow's nest? Yes.
Did she provide an edge? The same way Jimbe provided an edge by surfing a tsunami? Not from where I am standing. Yeah, everyone on the crew can stir the ship, but no one is able to do what Jimbe did. Not to mention that the Big Mom fleet was never able to catch to them until they stopped to wait for Luffy and Sanji at Choco-town. Where is the edge on the ~emphasized~ lookout role?
Um, this is wrong. You gotta reread some chapters. There are 2-5 with Luffy and at least 1 with Brook. Funny that out of the 7+ moments where she is in the crow's nest or being a lookout, you nitpicked the 1 where she is getting the paper. That is all you do. Belittle and nitpick. No argument whatsoever. She was there for most of the arc and on the way to Wano. You want to change what happened in your head due to bias obviously. So many others have to remind you of things, but you still come up with excuses.
lol what is this you just go back several days to restart that argument because I think getting the paper is a meaningless act, like how many times have people grabbed the newspaper in this series
It's gone from it wasn't emphasized to was it as impactful as Jinbe steering the ship? the goalpost keeps being moved. Carrot is possible, not confirmed like Jinbe, so whether it was impactful or not doesn't negate that it happened and was shown for a reason.
Carrot warned Nami and the crew multiple times while they were unaware of things. Precise directions of where an ally or enemy was coming from. At least 4 of the moments that I listed say that.
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Yes, focus on her getting the paper because that is what I was pointing out. Wrong. I was pointing out that she was in the crow's nest, just as Pedro was in the beginning and more than Pedro. Still not countering my point. Not restarting any argument. The point has always been that Carrot is possible. I have provided moments that she has fallen into the crew's pace, shown a role that she can play on the ship. You are nitpicking things that are besides the point due to some bias. It's not adding up at all. Some are saying her in the crow's nest and as lookout wasn't emphasized, but then are so many moments where she is there more than anyone else and warning of incoming dangers or allies. It was also said that she didn't have any special treatment when she did in fact have more moments where she is just like a SH by having emotional and antic filled moments with them.
I'm winning this and you continue to not provide a credible argument. Like I said before, a nice place to start would be her having no specified dream. You can't win with the moments or role on the ship aspects of this. It's a losing battle for you.
Wait I'm pretty sure I've seen other characters in the crow's nest before.
Wait I'm pretty sure I've seen other characters in the crow's nest before.
Already won this. More than Carrot? Who in this WCI?
That has always been the point. That is why you said in the first post that I was rewording stuff. While I, maybe wrong, assumed that Robby is talking about meaningful moments. Not just appearances.
She did point things out, but again, nothing well in advance to avoid the danger completely. The SH still had to overcome those obstacles.
Already won this. More than Carrot? Who in this WCI?
You didn't "win" anything since she failed at the role and isn't a straw hat. It's not a competition.
Does being a lookout mean that you will warn of dangers early enough so it could be avoided or making the crew aware of the danger or anything that maybe out of view? Carrot didn't join like Jinbe did, so how would she be shown to be this ridiculously great lookout? I said that the role was emphasized. It was. She was there more than anyone during this arc and displayed playing out that role more than anyone else.
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When did I say that she will be a SH after WCI arc? You continue to show that you don't know what you are arguing against. This is a losing battle. Still haven't countered the point. Continue in that nitpicking tho
and it was emphasized that she didn't do a great job since they avoided like nothing. "continue nitpicking" that's what an argument is hello pointing out flaws in the other person's evidence
Yes, that is exactly what a lookout's job is about. What the point of them merely tapping the shoulder and saying: oh by the way, we are surrounded by enemies.
How is that not a minimum requirement for a lookout especially in a series like One Piece where each role has been entrusted to a superhuman.
Nami predicts Grand Line weather, something no one else can do. Franky builds a ship that can propel itself into the sky. And I could go on with each SH.
You're saying that someone that isn't even part of the crew yet, has to do the job perfectly. Okay. I just want to say that there are those who are actually part of the crew and aren't perfect at their job. In that same arc, yes WCI arc, Chopper had to hope that Reiju coould save Luffy's life. The Helmsman of the crew that saved the ship from the tidal wave also let BM catch up. She was on the actual ship. Sanji, the cook, delivered a messed up meal to Luffy. Are we still going to say that a possible nakama has to be perfect when emphasized in a role, when the actual crew members aren't perfect?
is this the hill that you guys are prepared to die on? Possible nakama must be perfect at their role?
That's more about showing off Big Mom's prowess along with her crew's. Nami showed off her weather sense on her first appearance. Zoro did some cuttin' up in his first arc. Sanji was a chef. Robin was already deciphering poneglyphs. Everyone was already good at their thing before joining. Carrot prolly shoulda shown off those esteemed lookout skills by this point.
As for Chopper, we all know Oda isn't allowed to write him as competent anymore.
No one is talking about perfection.
Chopper is limited by his medical supplies. He doesn't have magic powers like Law. In the same arc, well aftermath. Luffy has recovered from his brutal fight against Katakuri extremely quickly, hole in stomach and all, thanks to Chopper.
Big Mom was able to catch up thanks to magic powers and having a flying cloud/sun. Air resitance < water resistance. The Big Mom fleet was not able to catch to them at all until they stopped in Choco-town. Also, Jimbe punched Big Mom off the ship.
No need to defend Sanji, because he does not deserve it.
So no, no one is asking Carrot to be perfect. Just better than average.
Carrot showed her lookout skill in her second chapter (805). Then did it on an actual ship more than anyone else for most of the longest arc
I thought Sanji was acceptable tier now
I thought Sanji was acceptable tier now
I was being more of an ass with that comment. Sanji has glimpses of okay paired with a bunch of face palms.
Off topic, but not really off topic. Yall gonna have to be patient with me since i'm not too familiar with all of the rules when it comes to how to post panels. I'll learn them one day. Until then, just know that these exact moments that I bring up are factual and not made up. Especially since i'm undefeated in this section when it comes to Carrot. Just trust me, i'm not lying
EDIT - Went to manga board and noting on what type of panels and which sites to use. I will continue checking tho.
And now back to another thrilling round of yuh-huh and nuh-uh
Especially since i'm undefeated in this section when it comes to Carrot.
Just because you can't admit when you're defeated doesn't mean that you actually are undefeated.
I wonder what happened to Avocado dude. :ninja:
he changed his pseudo :-)
Just because you can't admit when you're defeated doesn't mean that you actually are undefeated.
I wonder what happened to Avocado dude. :ninja:
Wait, aren't you the one that said Pekoms is more possible than Carrot? Aww man lol
Carrot isn't joining.
Go back and actually read the previous threads. You aren't in any way bringing anything relevant to the conversation. Stop pretending that you somehow broke new ground when arguments like yours has been destroyed and thrown in the bin multiple times.
Wait, aren't you the one that said Pekoms is more possible than Carrot? Aww man lol
Yes, that's what an opinion is and I'm not trying to sell it as a fact or anything.
You don't seem to understand the concept of opinions. Aww man lol
Yes, that's what an opinion is and I'm not trying to sell it as a fact or anything.
You don't seem to understand the concept of opinions. Aww man lol
You think that because I win all of my Carrot arguments that my stance is that she's definitely joining. You have trouble separating the facts that i'm using to back up her case and my stance that she may join. You are also delusional about Pekom's chances over Carrot because you have no support from the manga. Does his moments outnumber Carrot's? Was any role emphasized in any capacity that can top Carrots'? You have no foundation to stand on when it comes to Pekoms over Carrot. Just an opinion with nothing to back it, but you have the nerve to not only misunderstand my stance, but also dispute my undefeated reputation as someone who backs up Carrot's case. You gotta go back and reassess. Gather some moments that can help Pekoms case destroy Carrots and i'll patiently wait to counter you. That is better than your sideline commentary that adds nothing. Until then, just spectate and watch me win
Oh wow, why so salty?
Sorry I don't have the time to waste it on making collages about something i don't care about as much as you do.
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Does his moments outnumber Carrot's?
Actually it does.
Because, even one "real" moment between Pekoms and Luffy is worth more than all the shallow moments Carrot and Luffy had. And Pekoms had a few "real" moments with Luffy.
But that is something you can't accept, because you are stubborn and unreasonable.
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Ahh man, you don't care for the next nakama? Cmon
I can help you make an argument for Pekoms over Carrot. At least try. Don't lose to me, plz
Nakama are important in the story. Jinbe might be the last or there might be 2-4 more. Put some effort in. I believe in you
I do care, but not as much as you.
It doesn't matter who it's gonna be. Who ever joins, I'll be fine with it.
How can I lose if there is no discussion?
I would suggest you turn off your computer, leave your smartphone at home and take a walk or something, don't waste your time with this, you don't win anything.
Don't make a fool of yourself.
Actually it does.
Because, even one "real" moment between Pekoms and Luffy is worth more than all the shallow moments Carrot and Luffy had. And Pekoms had a few "real" moments with Luffy.
But that is something you can't accept, because you are stubborn and unreasonable.
It doesn't seem like you can measure how much any particular moment is worth (or whether any given moment is more "real" than any other one), and given that Pekoms is still on Whole Cake Island, he's not exactly up for discussion at the moment as far as crewmates go.
tbf with the look-out stuff and Carrot, during her introduction she was shown to be an observer for the minks, jumping ridiculous heights so she could identify where Luffy was and relay that information to Wanda. The fact that, after showing she could fight by attacking Zoro the next thing she did is exactly what a lookout would do is a good sign in her favour. And then of course, as people said, during the chase with Big Mom she was the one on top of the ship and spotting the Big Mom pirates approach before anyone else.
The only crew members who really got a full showing of their abilities before joining were Sanji, Nami, Chopper, Franky and Brook. Zoro was just strong, Jinbei's we've had to infer and neither Usopp or Robin actually fit an obvious role for a shipmate. I mean, what sort of ship requires an archaeologist?
Of all the characters we've seen at the moment Carrot is always the one up to debate because she has more evidence for her joining that any of the other minks, samurai or other pirates. so if its not character then its someone we haven't met yet (or no one at all).
I counted four yer dumb to three no you. What can we take away from this? That i'm winning over you arguments are the epitome of stupidity and that if you want to keep at it you can start PMing each other instead
She possibly is. I provided the proof already
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I counted four yer dumb to three no you. What can we take away from this? That i'm winning over you arguments are the epitome of stupidity and that if you want to keep at it you can start PMing each other instead
Calling things stupid or dumb, then trying to tell others where to talk shows that you are losing in whatever you are trying babble about. Counter the argument. Show some effort
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I do care, but not as much as you.
It doesn't matter who it's gonna be. Who ever joins, I'll be fine with it.
How can I lose if there is no discussion?I would suggest you turn off your computer, leave your smartphone at home and take a walk or something, don't waste your time with this, you don't win anything.
Don't make a fool of yourself.
Another going out of the discussion to direct me to leave the forum in some capacity due to having no argument. When I say i'm winning in the Carrot discussion, this further proves my point
Bickering about winning is by definition stupid and i am telling you in my capacity as a mod to either cut it out or take it to private messaging.
Not bickering. Asking for a dope argument. Mod or not. This is where to talk about Carrot being a possible nakama. I am talking about it. There is no other section for it.
But you are not talking about anything. What you two said word for word last page was i'm winning and then the other guy says no you are not. I don't know if you are being willfully obtuse or if you genuinly can't tell the difference betwenn kindergarten behaviour and a productive conversation. But consider this your last warning, talk about carrot all you want, but the next two guys who start a no you are stupid discussion are out of this thread.
Anyway, now that i'm done with Carrot, gotta start building the Raizo case. He doesn't have enough tho smh
My main concern is that, if nobody joins in Wano, then anyone who joins afterwards (when the crew only needs to find a single Red Poneglyph and travel to Raftel) might feel like Legion from Mass Effect 2, or any of these similar examples, where they join the main cast far too late in the story for us to get to know them. Maybe the arc where they find the final Red Poneglyph might be extremely long to give us time to get to know a new character, but even then, they wouldn't join the crew until the end of the arc if every single other crewmate (even Brook, who initially agreed right away) is any indication, and it would likely be one of the final arcs in the series. (once Luffy gets the specific coordinates for Raftel, he'd probably want to head there immediately unless it's absolutely impossible for him to do so)
Out of the characters that are still involved in the story, I just feel like Carrot has the best chances. I'm sure that might not mean much in the eyes of some (I can already people saying "1% of a chance is still basically 0%" or something like that), but none of the people from Wano stand out as crewmate material to me for a variety of reasons (Momonosuke is like Vivi, in that his goals relate entirely to saving his homeland; Kinemon has a job and a wife who's been loyal to him for 20 years in Wano; O-Tama is an untrained eight year old who needs to rely entirely on outside forces to defend herself; and so on), and Carrot's got at least as much build-up towards a specific job on the crew as what Jinbei had prior to that one chapter in Whole Cake Island. (in terms of Jinbei being a helmsman, we mainly had him steering the ship from Impel Down to Marineford to go on, and even then, he was just following the currents and it never made a big deal of his steering abilities)
I don't know how likely it is, considering how little focus the Minks have gotten so far in Wano, but it just seems weird to me. Unlike the other travelling companions that the Straw Hats have gotten, she didn't go to Whole Cake Island to motivate them into going there or provide crucial exposition that the Straw Hats wouldn't be aware of, and I can't recall other traveling companions (even Vivi, who's considered part of the crew) consistently taking on a job that the Straw Hats haven't filled. In the grand scheme of things, a look-out is probably a pretty minor position (they stay up in the crow's nest and watch for threats or islands), but it just seems weird to me that Oda would do all of that for no reason, given that there's generally a reason for that sort of thing.
My main concern is that, if nobody joins in Wano, then anyone who joins afterwards (when the crew only needs to find a single Red Poneglyph and travel to Raftel) might feel like Legion from Mass Effect 2, or any of these similar examples, where they join the main cast far too late in the story for us to get to know them. Maybe the arc where they find the final Red Poneglyph might be extremely long to give us time to get to know a new character, but even then, they wouldn't join the crew until the end of the arc if every single other crewmate (even Brook, who initially agreed right away) is any indication, and it would likely be one of the final arcs in the series. (once Luffy gets the specific coordinates for Raftel, he'd probably want to head there immediately unless it's absolutely impossible for him to do so)
Out of the characters that are still involved in the story, I just feel like Carrot has the best chances. I'm sure that might not mean much in the eyes of some (I can already people saying "1% of a chance is still basically 0%" or something like that), but none of the people from Wano stand out as crewmate material to me for a variety of reasons (Momonosuke is like Vivi, in that his goals relate entirely to saving his homeland; Kinemon has a job and a wife who's been loyal to him for 20 years in Wano; O-Tama is an untrained eight year old who needs to rely entirely on outside forces to defend herself; and so on), and Carrot's got at least as much build-up towards a specific job on the crew as what Jinbei had prior to that one chapter in Whole Cake Island. (in terms of Jinbei being a helmsman, we mainly had him steering the ship from Impel Down to Marineford to go on, and even then, he was just following the currents and it never made a big deal of his steering abilities)
I don't know how likely it is, considering how little focus the Minks have gotten so far in Wano, but it just seems weird to me. Unlike the other travelling companions that the Straw Hats have gotten, she didn't go to Whole Cake Island to motivate them into going there or provide crucial exposition that the Straw Hats wouldn't be aware of, and I can't recall other traveling companions (even Vivi, who's considered part of the crew) consistently taking on a job that the Straw Hats haven't filled. In the grand scheme of things, a look-out is probably a pretty minor position (they stay up in the crow's nest and watch for threats or islands), but it just seems weird to me that Oda would do all of that for no reason, given that there's generally a reason for that sort of thing.
This is the reason why i'd prefer no one to join at all after timeskip. Based on the handling of Jinbe tho, it seems justified.