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    • Crossword
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      In case of anything break glass.

      Title: ''I'll be Back - Luffy's Dangerous Departure''
      Chapters Covered: rest of 878
      Episode Director: Ryota Nakamura (new; Dragon Ball Super's series director)
      Animation Director: Masayuki Takagi (**1/2)
      Time: 8:30PM EST
      Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece

      ~Stargazer~, ~Distance~ original stories.

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        Luffy & Katakuri - OP 850: https://yadi.sk/i/FVQfa_LK3aMaew

        One Piece Episode 851 Preview

        One Piece Episode 851 Preview + Episode of Sky Island Preview 05

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          Where is everybody, this was a great episode. Top 5 since post timeskip.Even the added parts with the ship were great. Man the anime made me care so much more about Pedro and Carrot and I liked them in the first place

          Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

          So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

          H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

          Spoiler:

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            Chapter 878 was my personal favorite chapter of 2017 since it had a lot of great stuff in it so I was fairly anxious to see how the anime would cover it. Overall I'm very satisfied; including the content that was moved forward to last week's episode they nailed all the important parts as far as I'm concerned. The slightly-extended flashback to Carrot's child-or-younger-teenagehood I guess was nice, Luffy attacking Katakuri was nice (obvious homage to Film Z there), and the showdown in the Mirror World was great too, even if they did cheat a bit by reusing that cut of Luffy smashing the mirror from the opening. I noticed a number of newer BGM pieces being played throughout which is also a plus since the recent yearly specials have introduced a number of really great tracks that need more play.

            It was mostly the anime-original stuff that I thought dragged things down a bit. Like the Tone Dial was funny, but everything added to the Coup de Burst preparation sequence really slowed the pacing down given that everything else moved at a pretty snappy clip (Jimbei seemed to agree too given the look on his face). But it wasn't a deal-breaker by any means, just a minor dip in an otherwise excellent episode. Takagi continued his trend of turning out really good-looking episodes when he gets the proper help, and while the second half of the episode looked a bit worse thanks to TAP again it wasn't anything major. I don't know what it is about Zo though, but the art direction team seems to really take a shine to it and its background art and lighting are always top-notch. That shot of Carrot and Pedro looking out at the sunset was absolutely gorgeous.

            ~Stargazer~, ~Distance~ original stories.

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              These kinds of episodes are always bittersweet. Sweet cause they're great, bitter cause it makes you realize what this anime could be like if even half of their episodes were of this same quality.

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                @Long:

                Where is everybody, this was a great episode. Top 5 since post timeskip.Even the added parts with the ship were great. Man the anime made me care so much more about Pedro and Carrot and I liked them in the first place

                Pretty much my thoughts.

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                  @Crossword:

                  Chapter 878 was my personal favorite chapter of 2017 since it had a lot of great stuff in it so I was fairly anxious to see how the anime would cover it. Overall I'm very satisfied; including the content that was moved forward to last week's episode they nailed all the important parts as far as I'm concerned. The slightly-extended flashback to Carrot's child-or-younger-teenagehood I guess was nice, Luffy attacking Katakuri was nice (obvious homage to Film Z there), and the showdown in the Mirror World was great too, even if they did cheat a bit by reusing that cut of Luffy smashing the mirror from the opening. I noticed a number of newer BGM pieces being played throughout which is also a plus since the recent yearly specials have introduced a number of really great tracks that need more play.

                  It was mostly the anime-original stuff that I thought dragged things down a bit. Like the Tone Dial was funny, but everything added to the Coup de Burst preparation sequence really slowed the pacing down given that everything else moved at a pretty snappy clip (Jimbei seemed to agree too given the look on his face). But it wasn't a deal-breaker by any means, just a minor dip in an otherwise excellent episode. Takagi continued his trend of turning out really good-looking episodes when he gets the proper help, and while the second half of the episode looked a bit worse thanks to TAP again it wasn't anything major. I don't know what it is about Zo though, but the art direction team seems to really take a shine to it and its background art and lighting are always top-notch. That shot of Carrot and Pedro looking out at the sunset was absolutely gorgeous.

                  I loved how crisp the animation was on the smaller things like when chopper, brook and jinbe are pulling up the rope to the shark submerge and when the whole ship is flying. Even the animation where younger carrot was in the background looked as good as some of the highlight actions scenes and that in a flashback. Plenty of other small touches but besides luffy holding katakuri for so long bothered me a bit I loved everything else.

                  Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                  So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                  H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

                  Spoiler:

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                    @Miss:

                    These kinds of episodes are always bittersweet. Sweet cause they're great, bitter cause it makes you realize what this anime could be like if even half of their episodes were of this same quality.

                    If I'm being honest this is why I've gotten away from episode to episode discussions. Despite the anime's overall improved quality since Zou there is still this stigma that One Piece has to match (what I feel is) the unrealistic expectations of some people on this board. It just get's very nitpicky and while I agree with what is said I also look at what's going on with other shows to understand what's going with One Piece.

                    The thing is One Piece is one of the few shows still airing week to week with very few breaks. The anime industry and a LOT of TV anime Shonen adaptations have shifted to a "per cour" style now where instead of depending on getting a timeslot and just staying there they now take "breaks" and adapt the anime a few arcs at a time. It seems to be a fallout from the Naruto/Bleach years where "anime original" content had to be created not to overtake the manga resulting in some inconsistent quality. While I've heard and read that the anime original content actually either maintained or even improved ratings due to it not being a retread of the manga material there has definitely been this huge shift in the anime TV industry to air things in a more "seasonal" manner recently.

                    Now the elephant in the room is Boruto and Pokemon Sun & Moon.
                    Boruto has seen a huge uptick in the anime's quality since toward the tail end of Shippuden where there is a lot more consistency in the animation and storytelling quality. Even with Pokemon the animation team has gotten better since the animation shift in Black & White occurred and since XY you've had a lot of TV quality episodes that rival the stuff we get in movies.

                    That being said, I feel like the animation and directing has been A LOT more consistent since Zou started and this seems like a new "phase" for the anime but it honestly feels like you have a few consistent watchers on this board expecting TV Special/Movie quality on a weekly show with a company that tends to spread itself very thin in terms of animation distribution but in the last possibly 4 years or so has actually either met or gone beyond fan's expectations with a lot of their IPs. It just seems a bit tiring to me to think the anime has to be at a 9 or 10 all the time when not every single chapter needs that kind of work.

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                      Understanding the circunstances that make the anime lackluster provides an explanation for anyone wondering why, but that's not justification that excuses the fact. If it is bad, regardless of the reasons, it is bad. That's it. And then there is an aggravation due to the fact that the competition is getting better recently.

                      Of course, someone may argue that the anime is actually great, and that's reasonable and all, because there's an unavoidable subjectivity of tastes and perception. I just don't think we should avoid criticism (if we do have it) just because we know why TOEI is so incompetent with One Piece.

                      That said, I also think that a lot of repetitive negativity creates a toxic enviroment (people should move on, and they do, considering the decrease of audience). Btw, I didn't come here to bash the anime since I don't even watch it anymore, and all my criticisms were made years ago. I'm here just because I saw some clips of this episode on Youtube and got curious about the reactions, then I felt compelled to answer the post above. Now I'm gone.

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                        Hunter x Hunter was week to week for like 150+ episodes, and it looks great and is well directed. It’s possible; folks just don’t like Toei because they rarely make the effort despite the huge profit that OP brings.

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                          @o-chan:

                          stuff

                          I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to explain here. Because none of that is an excuse for Toei.
                          Of course I wouldn't expect every episode to be movie quality. And of course some are going to be better than others – this is the case with almost every single series, naturally. And yet there are current week-to-week series that have much better quality; the most popular manga in Japan should not have an anime adaptation this wobbly is all I'm saying. It's mediocre management of a very profitable and popular franchise. Has been since forever. And if the only solution IS to take breaks, then why don't they?

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                            Here we go again.
                            The quality of the anime isn't really bad, and whoever says this is tricking themselves.
                            Let's compare it to My Hero Academia, a series some people use to argue in favor of airing seasonal. In the latest cour/arc, there hasn't been a single episode that matches the quality of this week's One Piece episode, actually 849, 848 & 847 are also better than what My hero academia offered in its current arc.
                            I still don't believe that some people don't realize why they don't like some of the episodes themselves. Episodes 847 & 848 did a pretty good job at adapting the manga content of these chapters, it's just that some these people didn't even like the chapters those episodes were based on. But for some unkown reason, they assume it's the anime's fault it didn't make them excited over what they already didn't like.
                            However, I don't deny that the anime could be improved upon a little further, but it's really not bad at all.

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                            Hunter x Hunter was week to week for like 150+ episodes, and it looks great and is well directed. It’s possible; folks just don’t like Toei because they rarely make the effort despite the huge profit that OP brings.

                            No, Hunter × Hunter (the 2011 iteration) was mechanical at best, it almost had no well directed episode its entire run.
                            Let's be real here, the direction of that series was indeed consistent. Consistently mediocre, that is.
                            Even animation wise, there was almost no strong episode until the Chimera ant arc, and even that wasn't great throughout.
                            It's just the animation direction provided some relative ease, that even with the least animated episodes, the characters at least looked on model. But that's it!

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                              after watching this weeks episode I again come to the conclusion that Luffy in his base looks the most badass if he is serious

                              Gear 2 is cool as well cuz it is still the same looking Luffy with steam

                              But Gear 4 will always be a mess in my eyes. Tries to hard like Naruto and his silly tailed forms or whatever that shit have been

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                                @Brainyz:

                                Here we go again.
                                The quality of the anime isn't really bad, and whoever says this is tricking themselves.
                                Let's compare it to My Hero Academia, a series some people use to argue in favor of airing seasonal. In the latest cour/arc, there hasn't been a single episode that matches the quality of this week's One Piece episode, actually 849, 848 & 847 are also better than what My hero academia offered in its current arc.
                                I still don't believe that some people don't realize why they don't like some of the episodes themselves. Episodes 847 & 848 did a pretty good job at adapting the manga content of these chapters, it's just that some these people didn't even like the chapters those episodes were based on. But for some unkown reason, they assume it's the anime's fault it didn't make them excited over what they already didn't like.
                                However, I don't deny that the anime could be improved upon a little further, but it's really not bad at all.

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                                No, Hunter × Hunter (the 2011 iteration) was mechanical at best, it almost had no well directed episode its entire run.
                                Let's be real here, the direction of that series was indeed consistent. Consistently mediocre, that is.
                                Even animation wise, there was almost no strong episode until the Chimera ant arc, and even that wasn't great throughout.
                                It's just the animation direction provided some relative ease, that even with the least animated episodes, the characters at least looked on model. But that's it!

                                That and the ANN Page for that show's different production studios looks like a large youtuber's Patreon roll. I think Long Long has a shorter name

                                HxH 2011 was consistent and thats about all. I'm also not a fan of the more "toyetic" designs. It was like each character was an action figure for most of that show's run. As for OP it really isnt that bad. Steins;gate 0 for instance has worse drops in quality and that show is seasonal. I think the show sorely lacks from a weak post-production and horrible sound design. IK its iconic, but the janky 1980s stock sound effects make the whole show look janky and bad. If i have free time, one of these days Im going to do a new sound mix for the show and show off what an improvement just a BIT of work in post will do to One piece

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                                  Chapter 878 is quite possibly my favorite chapter in this entire arc, and this episode definitely did it justice. The art and aesthetic were on point throughout, and the story flowed well. While there were some points where I felt like things could have unfolded in a smoother way, it still felt like things were moving along briskly and I was actually on edge at some points because the whole buildup to the escape was not slacking in terms of building up the tempo.

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                                    Amazing episode, personally I enjoyed tha padding, but the best part of this part of the arc is that the best is yet to come. The latter parts of the arc are littered with golden moments, I can't wait to see Luffy v Katakuris fight unfold.

                                    Year of Sanji, let's go!

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                                      @Brainyz:

                                      Here we go again.
                                      The quality of the anime isn't really bad, and whoever says this is tricking themselves.
                                      Let's compare it to My Hero Academia, a series some people use to argue in favor of airing seasonal. In the latest cour/arc, there hasn't been a single episode that matches the quality of this week's One Piece episode, actually 849, 848 & 847 are also better than what My hero academia offered in its current arc.
                                      I still don't believe that some people don't realize why they don't like some of the episodes themselves. Episodes 847 & 848 did a pretty good job at adapting the manga content of these chapters, it's just that some these people didn't even like the chapters those episodes were based on. But for some unkown reason, they assume it's the anime's fault it didn't make them excited over what they already didn't like.
                                      However, I don't deny that the anime could be improved upon a little further, but it's really not bad at all.

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                                      No, Hunter × Hunter (the 2011 iteration) was mechanical at best, it almost had no well directed episode its entire run.
                                      Let's be real here, the direction of that series was indeed consistent. Consistently mediocre, that is.
                                      Even animation wise, there was almost no strong episode until the Chimera ant arc, and even that wasn't great throughout.
                                      It's just the animation direction provided some relative ease, that even with the least animated episodes, the characters at least looked on model. But that's it!

                                      There were some static scenes, of course, but I don't remember any noticeably bad animation or art in Hunter. We get that with OP nearly every episode (except when the animators have a winning streak going, as they do now and at the beginning of most bad arcs).

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                                        @Zephray:

                                        There were some static scenes, of course, but I don't remember any noticeably bad animation or art in Hunter. We get that with OP nearly every episode (except when the animators have a winning streak going, as they do now and at the beginning of most bad arcs).

                                        More like, it was almost always static.
                                        By the way, that's what I said, H×H had nice animation direction which prevented huge quality drops, but even then, many episodes pass by without showcasing anything impressive, while in OP we get at least a strong looking sequence every other episode.
                                        That's why Hunter × Hunter was mechanical. (+direction was meh)

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