Edit: although they didnt meet, if he was kidnapped it would come up lol.
They did meet. It was a mistranslation that said they didn't meet.
Chapter 924 : Ha*
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Purely coincidence
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I hope the anime producers of One Piece pick up the Kabuki theme. The whole stance thing, headshaking, background noise… and then comes the Ha-scene: Robin looks at newspaper Tool-Time ahuuuu
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Oda has 3 silhouettes of kinemon made none of which actually come close to what he looks like also if you look closely you could see that the fishbone guy could have the basket cover mask that samurais uses. Although i think it is just me seeing that.
I for one am a fan of impossible theories but there should be evidence that could support it but when facts contradicts the theory it just come out as absurd.
The possibility of this being vegapunk is as likely as the fifth guy in a hat in kinemons past being shiki…
It was Kanjuro.
That's just Oda not having the final design in place. As far as I can recall, they were all fixed in volume releases. This silhouette is exactly the same as the one showing Vegapunk in Caesar's flashback.
There are no facts contradicting the theory, only highly circumstantial evidence based on vague remarks and conjectures.
I'm definitely convinced it's not any of Wano residents, or Caribou. It's either Vegapunk, Vegapunk's cousin or a member of his sub-species, or his robot clone. Something to do with Vegapunk in short.
I've even went deeper into it over the thread, but most users can't seem to read back more than current last page or something.
Nobody has any possible explanation as to why one of samurai or Oden would have same silhouette as Vegapunk. I'd love to see someone's thoughts on that. Since it's, you know, basis which has to be overcome first in order for any other theory to seem plausible.
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They did meet. It was a mistranslation that said they didn't meet.
Yeah i knew i read it that way, guess I doubled checked the wrong translation lol
Anyway that seals it I guess
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Vegapunk would most likely fall into the better of dead than in their hands category.
As in either we have him or no one does.
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Yeah i knew i read it that way, guess I doubled checked the wrong translation lol
Anyway that seals it I guess
It doesn't.
First of all, nowhere was it said how long the prisoner is in the cell. Could have been days, weeks, months, years.
Depending on how long after Dressrosa did Fujitora visit Vegapunk, there could have been an interval of couple of weeks for Kaido to snatch Vegapunk or for Vegapunk to get himself captured somehow.
All I'm saying is use your imagination and start thinking of possible reasons why the prisoner's silhouette corresponds Vegapunk's silhouette, before dismissing the chance it has anything to do with Vegapunk and concluding it must be one of samurai whose exact silhouettes Oda has shown couple of chapters ago.
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I'm very curious about the fishbone-spitting, poison-immune inmate who possibly recognized Luffy. Could it be Gekko Moriah?
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Wouldn't the government lay siege to Wano with various Admirals if Vegapunk was there?
He would have been captured fairly recently because a few days ago Fujitora talked to Ryokugyo about meeting him. How would that go unnoticed, if he was abducted somehow? Especially because Sentoumaru is his bodyguard.
Also, I don't know how to exactly explain it, but Vegapunk's speciality is knowledge and science, while Luffy and Kid are in a situation where power and hardness are now high on the agenda. Not that Vegapunk may lack those qualities, but they are not supposed to be his main characteristics as far as we know of. I think that for such an overall important figure like Vegapunk, we would need a different introduction scene than "being miserable prisoner in Kaido's dungeon in a very very forced situation so he can be introduced".
For instance, if he appears at the Reverie to brief some kings would or something in this direction would likely make for a much more fitting appearance.
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
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lol it does really look like him
but that wouldn't make sense would it???
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It was Kanjuro.
That's just Oda not having the final design in place. As far as I can recall, they were all fixed in volume releases. This silhouette is exactly the same as the one showing Vegapunk in Caesar's flashback.
There are no facts contradicting the theory, only highly circumstantial evidence based on vague remarks and conjectures.
I'm definitely convinced it's not any of Wano residents, or Caribou. It's either Vegapunk, Vegapunk's cousin or a member of his sub-species, or his robot clone. Something to do with Vegapunk in short.
I've even went deeper into it over the thread, but most users can't seem to read back more than current last page or something.
Nobody has any possible explanation as to why one of samurai or Oden would have same silhouette as Vegapunk. I'd love to see someone's thoughts on that. Since it's, you know, basis which has to be overcome first in order for any other theory to seem plausible.
lol it does really look like him
http://i.imgur.com/olmBXOD.pngbut that wouldn't make sense would it???
The shilouette is somewhat similar and from the same angle, but the actual features are completely different.
Purely coincidence
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I like the little comparison between Newgate/Ace & Kaido/Luffy here.
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Does anyone think that the guy in the shadows might be Gecko Moria? Maybe he developed his devil fruit more and now is able to hide in the shadows. Maybe Kaidou has him eating poisonous fish to punish him for defying him so much.
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Does anyone think that the guy in the shadows might be Gecko Moria? Maybe he developed his devil fruit more and now is able to hide in the shadows. Maybe Kaidou has him eating poisonous fish to punish him for defying him so much.
The silhouette doesn't fit at all, especially when you remember that Moriah is huge. Also while I have no idea how Oda presumably plans on introducing him into the arc, it's hard to picture it being that Oda decides to reveal that at some point he was locked up by Kaido all this time.
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i expect Geko Moriah to show up at some point this arc but I don't think that's him
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I have a feeling the one in the shadow are magellan.
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I have a feeling the one in the shadow are magellan.
Naw man, it's totes Akainu sans all 4 limbs.
Seriously, this mindless abuse of the prospect of speculation is either stupidly shitty or parody of all these weirdos who are inexplicably convinced that Gecko Moria would go anywhere near Kaido's influence. Is it some inside joke to suggest that the fish-spitter must be someone who's too big to even fit in that cell? That's all ignoring that Magellan -last we saw him- was busy guarding Doflamingo against assassins. At least the Vegapunk theory has the hypothetical excuse that Fujitora unknowingly met with a robot doppleganger.
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I've done it, read every chapter, searched every silhouette. I should have eaten or napped or something, but I had to know. Call me crazy, but only one other character in all of One Piece has a figure that perfectly matches the silhouette and knowing what we know about them, I think I can at least 99 percent guarantee that they're the culprit. It definitely has to be
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Wouldn't the government lay siege to Wano with various Admirals if Vegapunk was there?
He would have been captured fairly recently because a few days ago Fujitora talked to Ryokugyo about meeting him. How would that go unnoticed, if he was abducted somehow? Especially because Sentoumaru is his bodyguard.
Sentoumaru looks exactly like someone from Wano, so for all we know he was either one of Kaido's men or someone charged with spying on Kaido all along. I had a feeling that he'd show up (hopefully along with Kumadori, another person with obvious Wanoese ancestry), but there was no other reason to place him there before now.
@Big:
Also, I don't know how to exactly explain it, but Vegapunk's speciality is knowledge and science, while Luffy and Kid are in a situation where power and hardness are now high on the agenda. Not that Vegapunk may lack those qualities, but they are not supposed to be his main characteristics as far as we know of. I think that for such an overall important figure like Vegapunk, we would need a different introduction scene than "being miserable prisoner in Kaido's dungeon in a very very forced situation so he can be introduced".
For instance, if he appears at the Reverie to brief some kings would or something in this direction would likely make for a much more fitting appearance.Vegapunk's prior relationship with Kaido involved creating weapons or tools to augment humans, so he's of great value to Kaido. In fact… Vegapunk's the only person other than Caesar who can create fake devilfruits, giving Kaido all the motivation necessary to kidnap him specifically after Dressrosa fell (meaning after Fujitora's meeting with him).
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Not if he doesn't even have a devil fruit.
Wouldn't think Kaido would use such a cheap weapon, but you never know.
Well a lump of seastone would be pretty brutal of a weapon.
But shouldn't it also drain the wielder as well if it's that size
The handle isnt seastone. Problem solved. Look at smoker.
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The handle isnt seastone. Problem solved. Look at smoker.
Only the tip of Smoker's weapon is Seastone. If only a few of the spikes on his club are Seastone he'd get the same effect with none of the risk.
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Only the tip of Smoker's weapon is Seastone. If only a few of the spikes on his club are Seastone he'd get the same effect with none of the risk.
True. Which every way it is. There's a way to hold a seastone weapon for DF Users.
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@Builds:
all these weirdos who are inexplicably convinced that Gecko Moria would go anywhere near Kaido's influence.
Its not too strange of a theory. Absalom was seen near the island where Kid's alliance was defeated by Kaido, so there's a spatial connection at least.
Purely coincidence
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The shilouette is somewhat similar and from the same angle, but the actual features are completely different.
https://s8.mkklcdn.com/mangakakalot/r1/read_one_piece_manga_online_free4/chapter_924_ha/14.jpg
Seems that your idea of what "completely different" means is different than mine.
Those differences could easilly be a different attire or unkempt hair. shrugs
Just think that the similarity by itself is significant. Even without possible tie ins and foreshadowings from the beginning of the saga.
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In the end it'll turn out to be some Wano big shot who's been locked up for ages.
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Seems that your idea of what "completely different" means is different than mine.
For Vegapunk we have (from top to bottom) a circle-ish blob, a triangle, and a dangly bit. For the new person, we have two curved triangles, and and a fat curved triangle. That's completely different. Also, the size of the head is very different.
Even without possible tie ins and foreshadowings from the beginning of the saga.
What foreshadowing? Last we heard, Vegapunk was working on something to replace the warlord system just a few days ago. That isn't nearly long enough for him to attain this level of mystique amongst the guards.
Purely coincidence
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For Vegapunk we have (from top to bottom) a circle-ish blob, a triangle, and a dangly bit. For the new person, we have two curved triangles, and and a fat curved triangle. That's completely different. Also, the size of the head is very different.
Well nice way of discarding what I said about clothes, hair… I expected someone who is so defensive of Carrot as a next SH to have more imagination.
What foreshadowing? Last we heard, Vegapunk was working on something to replace the warlord system just a few days ago. That isn't nearly long enough for him to attain this level of mystique amongst the guards.
Haven't bothered at least skimming through the thread, I see.
The entire saga starts on Vegapunk's abandoned lab, at the entrance of PH there's a logo with horns looking a lot like Kaido's. Vegapunk first appears in a flashback there, and the SMILE are an indirect result of his own research and failure with his assistant. One of central characters in this arc has eaten Vegapunk's artificial devil fruit, which is a failure, and nobody but him can shed light on what it is that makes it a failure. Vegapunk also obsessed over dragons for a while and might know of some vulnerabilties. Even more so if he actually experimented on Kaido, as some people think. Main character is also due a devil fruit awakening and a leading scientist might give some insight on that. It would also give marines a real reason to be active in this arc.
And no, we didn't hear Vegapunk was working on something just days ago. We heard Fujitora talking about meeting Vegapunk days ago. Supposedly it was a far trip, if the other admiral is to be believed. For all we know, what they're talking about might have happened couple of weeks ago.
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If the guy in silhouette is vegapunk, that could be a reason for the whole marine to be involve, Only such an important character would make the marine mobilize the whole marine fleet. That is parallel to what Oda mentioned regarding to Marineford looking cute compared to what's to come.
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He must be some good sniper that can snipe anyone with even fishbone, must be reason why they don't serve him the fishbone too. Are samurais known to use ranged weapons like maybe bows?
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Well nice way of discarding what I said about clothes, hair…
Ok… But those are literally every single feature we know about how these two characters look. If literally every single feature we know about looks different, then we have no reason to believe that those are the same character. All we have is two silhouettes seen from the back who appear to have different features. You can invent all sorts of reasons for why those features would look different, but everything we know about these characters' looks doesn't line up.
I expected someone who is so defensive of Carrot as a next SH to have more imagination.
You don't need much imagination to see that Carrot is joining, just eyes.
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[/HIDE]And no, we didn't hear Vegapunk was working on something just days ago. We heard Fujitora talking about meeting Vegapunk days ago. Supposedly it was a far trip, if the other admiral is to be believed. For all we know, what they're talking about might have happened couple of weeks ago.
Let me put this another way so you might understand: We saw the marine bigwigs all of 2~3 days ago in-story. Did they seem to be acting as though their top scientist got kidnapped recently? When Fujitora was talking to Ryokugyu about his meeting with Vegapunk, did none of them hear about how he got kidnapped, or about how communications got cut off from the island he was working on? Did they not feel like mentioning that tidbit in that conversation? They're talking pretty casually about the guy considering that his fate is uncertain to them, don't you think?
Unless you're expecting me to buy that Kaido, of all people, is able to pull off a stealthy kidnapping operation without the marines realizing anything is afoot.
Purely coincidence
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@uniaka:
He must be some good sniper that can snipe anyone with even fishbone, must be reason why they don't serve him the fishbone too. Are samurais known to use ranged weapons like maybe bows?
Isn't it more like one of those anything is a weapon in the hands of a killer type of things. I don't think the implication is that he is a ranged weapon user neccesarily. As a Wano dude he probably uses some kind of blade like most ninja or samurai
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I don't know if anyone realized, but it seems that instead of tossing it, they spit the fishbone.
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Well nice way of discarding what I said about clothes, hair… I expected someone who is so defensive of Carrot as a next SH to have more imagination.
Haven't bothered at least skimming through the thread, I see.
The entire saga starts on Vegapunk's abandoned lab, at the entrance of PH there's a logo with horns looking a lot like Kaido's. Vegapunk first appears in a flashback there, and the SMILE are an indirect result of his own research and failure with his assistant. One of central characters in this arc has eaten Vegapunk's artificial devil fruit, which is a failure, and nobody but him can shed light on what it is that makes it a failure. Vegapunk also obsessed over dragons for a while and might know of some vulnerabilties. Even more so if he actually experimented on Kaido, as some people think. Main character is also due a devil fruit awakening and a leading scientist might give some insight on that. It would also give marines a real reason to be active in this arc.
And no, we didn't hear Vegapunk was working on something just days ago. We heard Fujitora talking about meeting Vegapunk days ago. Supposedly it was a far trip, if the other admiral is to be believed. For all we know, what they're talking about might have happened couple of weeks ago.
I believe Vegapunk is connected to Kaidou but this guy has been in that cage for apparently a very long time to the point that even the guards who aren’t newbies don’t know what’s there. So this guy has been there for way longer than a few weeks
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Not sure if Hawkins let Law go or not. Still not convinced he's really on Kaido's side. Can't wait to see Apoo DJ-ing Kaido's party during the Fire Festival.
I like Kaido deciding not to kill Luffy. Yeah, it's plot convenience, but it shows the confidence Kaido has in his abilities. Wouldn't be surprised if all his strongest members got smacked down before joining. I wonder if Oda is going with a parallel between Kaido and Lord Oden in that aspect.
That Robin face! If you bet me Nico Robin would ever make a face like that when she first joined the crew I'd be transferring money to your Paypal right now. Thinking about it, I don't think Oda's ever written Robin out of character. That's hard to do when slowly showing someone evolving.
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Let me put this another way so you might understand: We saw the marine bigwigs all of 2~3 days ago in-story. Did they seem to be acting as though their top scientist got kidnapped recently? When Fujitora was talking to Ryokugyu about his meeting with Vegapunk, did none of them hear about how he got kidnapped, or about how communications got cut off from the island he was working on? Did they not feel like mentioning that tidbit in that conversation? They're talking pretty casually about the guy considering that his fate is uncertain to them, don't you think?
Unless you're expecting me to buy that Kaido, of all people, is able to pull off a stealthy kidnapping operation without the marines realizing anything is afoot.
You're assuming Fujitora and Ryokugyu should know if Vegapunk was missing, which doesn't have to be the case. Needlessly snide, much? ^^;
Not to mention condescending.
What if Vegapunk went on an excursion alone and left his robot clone or something? Then messed up bad and got jailed? What if there's more background with him and Kaido than we're aware of?
And who says it has to be a stealthy operation. Might have happened only after Fujitora's visit. Since our heroes left Dressrosa, Kaido has lost his onlt source of devil fruits. Maybe he thought he could do something about it? There are options.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But at least I'm not an ass.
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I believe Vegapunk is connected to Kaidou but this guy has been in that cage for apparently a very long time to the point that even the guards who aren’t newbies don’t know what’s there. So this guy has been there for way longer than a few weeks
Too many assumptions in that sentence. We don't know how long he's been there, nor do we know if any of those guards ever saw him up close.
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I would love to see Luffys CoO play a role in final battle with Kaido.
Also VS against Calamity is needed for Luffys CoA as all of them seems to be Zoan tank-like fighters. As Katakuri was comparable to jet fighter, at least Jack feels like a very heavy tank.
I would expect that Top Calamity could take Luffys Organ with his CoA and avoid taking any heavy damage..
What I would love to see visually is Luffy going against few strong people like when he was up against Big Mom children after fight with Cracker. Main point being Luffy wiping out small group of strong pirates teaming up against him, with use of G4, Luffy switching from one mode to next one on the fly.
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The entire saga starts on Vegapunk's abandoned lab, at the entrance of PH there's a logo with horns looking a lot like Kaido's.
Why would the WG and Marines put their symbols right next to one of the Yonkos? Makes no sense.
It's just a danger symbol like this:
But since Oda can't use this because of pirate flags, he customized it to something/someone that represents danger in the One Piece world: Oars, respectively his race.And no, we didn't hear Vegapunk was working on something just days ago. We heard Fujitora talking about meeting Vegapunk days ago. Supposedly it was a far trip, if the other admiral is to be believed. For all we know, what they're talking about might have happened couple of weeks ago.
We heard about his new invention and we have seen a newspaper article about him.
And this article surely didn't say that he was kidnaped, because the WG wouldn't allow it to be pubblished.
If he was kidnaped by Kaido we would have been informed about it by Akainu or the Gorosei, because that's something very important.And do you realy think Kaido would put someone as important as Vegapunk in the care of his weakass underlings? Don't think so.
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I love this Chapter.
The beginning with luffys subconscious Haki and the glare he gives Kaido was really good I hope Oda explains this more in the Future.The whole atmosphere in this chapter was great and dark, I mean Kaido wants to break Luffys spirit thats not easy and I don't think its's possible but it's the first time that some villian is serios with this.
In every arc luffy stucks somewhere, sleeps or is in prison but no one has every bound him as a slave like this time and humiliated him this much.
The idea of the Kabuki theater is something I'm very excited to see, I like the art style especially the faces of the strawhats and robins thats gold for me. When you look at page 11 you can see that on the paper is luffy when he is bound to the horse, thats one good reason for that face
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So real talk though. Is the prisoner kawa whatever or den something?
Which powerful Wano retainer dude is it gonna be.
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You're assuming Fujitora and Ryokugyu should know if Vegapunk was missing, which doesn't have to be the case.
So you're saying the WG doesn't keep tabs on their top scientist? They immediately found out the instant BM said that she would head to meet Kaido, but somehow they missed that the leader of their science division got abducted by a bunch of loud Mad Max rejects?
Needlessly snide, much? ^^;
Not to mention condescending.
"__I expected someone who is so defensive of Carrot as a next SH to have more imagination." You started it. Turnabout is fair play.
What if Vegapunk went on an excursion alone and left his robot clone or something? Then messed up bad and got jailed? What if there's more background with him and Kaido than we're aware of?
Here's a theory crafting tip for you: if you have to give characters previously unheard-of abilities and make up entire sequences of events based on nothing for your theory to work… The theory's probably wrong.
And who says it has to be a stealthy operation. Might have happened only after Fujitora's visit. Since our heroes left Dressrosa, Kaido has lost his onlt source of devil fruits. Maybe he thought he could do something about it? There are options.
Oh? So Fujitora is the WG's only form of communication with Vegapunk? No other ships go back and forth to his labs, maybe to ferry materials? Vegapunk's base isn't equipped with a den den mushi? Those things can send calls halfway across the world. Or maybe they just didn't think to send out a distress call when they were being attacked by Kaido's men? There are so many things poking holes in your narrative that you aren't considering here.
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So real talk though. Is the prisoner kawa whatever or den something?
Which powerful Wano retainer dude is it gonna be.
Ponytail guy is probably the best bet.
Purely coincidence
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Could it be that kaidou is not even CoC user? Like he is no conqueror, he just forced people to join him, unlike luffy. Then again, it seems also like what BM is doing.
What he is doing now on kid and luffy is maybe how he got jack to join.
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I mean things we know so far is that it is somone ridiculously tough. He's been in a hole so long people have forgotten why he's there, he's been fed nothing but poisoned fish and is still kicking. No to mention that he's still actively fighting back with whatever he can get his hands on. All of it points to samurai retainer loyal to the death.
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@uniaka:
What he is doing now on kid and luffy is maybe how he got jack to join.
I would imagine that the fear he has for his boss means that he knows what it's like on the receiving end of a Kaido beating
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The next Luffy evolution will have him incorporate Elizabello's King Punch in all of his attacks, from the gomu gomu no Pistol all the way to gomu gomu Kong Organ, plus whatever other attacks Oda gives him.
Why else would Oda show us Luffy's reaction to Elizabello's punch? Obviously, Luffy won't need the "one hour preparation time", or can just use the "light version" for his more basic attacks and the "full version" for the more heavy hitting ones.
Besides, this punch is "supposed to take out a Yonko … if it connects", right? @ least that's what Elizabello's tactician Dagama said, right?
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@uniaka:
Like he is no conqueror, he just forced people to join him,
… That's almost literally the definition of a conqueror. Subjecting people by force is a pretty big part of conquest. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Kaido is the most literal example of a conqueror in all of One Piece.
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@HTC:
Besides, this punch is "supposed to take out a Yonko … if it connects", right? @ least that's what Elizabello's tactician Dagama said, right?
We all got hyped from that quote, only to see Elizabello's punch didn't even kill Blue Gilly although he got that punch straight to the face…
I doubt that punch can scratch Big Mom or Kaidou, not to mention "take them out"…
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We all got hyped from that quote, only to see Elizabello's punch didn't even kill Blue Gilly although he got that punch straight to the face…
I doubt that punch can scratch Big Mom or Kaidou, not to mention "take them out"…
Well … there Elizabello's version ... and there's Luffy's version.
Furthermore. as evidenced by the "cleaning up of an already cut Pica statue", is an "area of effect" attack.
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Whoever mentioned it earlier in the topic, I'm starting to think just maybe Oden is still alive…and that is him in the jail cell.
It doesn't make sense Kaido would kill the 1 person in the world that could read the Poneglyphs...perhaps he wanted to get Momo so he could use him as leverage to get the information he wants...Plus if the current Shogun is brought down, who is going to replace him? It'd have to be someone that was loyal to Oden or part of that clan i.e Oden himself
Just a theory but i was thinking on it since i read that other comment the other day... i guess time will tell..
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Plus if the current Shogun is brought down, who is going to replace him? It'd have to be someone that was loyal to Oden or part of that clan i.e Oden himself
Or, you know, Momo, since this is a manga built around inherited wills and Momo surely inherited his father's to make Wano a great country open to the rest of the world. Also it'd make no sense to return the throne to someone we've only had glimpses of through flashbacks and via other characters' opinions instead of handing it to the one struggling character that we've been told to sympathize with for four arcs now.
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Or, you know, Momo, since this is a manga built around inherited wills and Momo surely inherited his father's to make Wano a great country open to the rest of the world. Also it'd make no sense to return the throne to someone we've only had glimpses of through flashbacks and via other characters' opinions instead of handing it to the one struggling character that we've been told to sympathize with for four arcs now.
It Oden is alive it doesn't mean the throne has to go to him. He will be the best proof that Momo is his true son and successor to the throne. After that Oda can do whatever he likes with his fate/story.
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Its not too strange of a theory. Absalom was seen near the island where Kid's alliance was defeated by Kaido, so there's a spatial connection at least.
With his power, Absalom is undoubtedly just keeping tabs on potential allies and enemies. Not in the least because he's already been beat down in these parts once already, Moria is too cowardly to go anywhere near the machinations of a man whose entire mode of operations is forced darwinism.
With all this ambition of being the best, Luffy is eventually going to be done getting the fame he wants and start having to defend his right to keep it. If only because he's a more free spirit than all the current Yonkous, Moria might look to him as easier pickings for a rematch and be one such challenger. And if he even tries it, he'll have the assistance of whichever Supernovas and Calamities that Luffy hasn't won over.
