Do you think that Wano and the Winter place of Kaido with the horns are two different places? Like it can make sense that the Beast pirates are occupying Wano, but that Kaido is on a different island, part of his "territory", or wano could be an archipelago like Totland?
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Depends. If Greg's theory is right, then Wano should be consist of four islands each having different weather. If Wano is just a single island, then this island must be a close by one. I dunno, Oda is quite unpredictable these days.
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@S.C.:
I'd imagine he'd be more likely to attack Totto Land to get the Poneglyph, doubly so if Big Mom does show up at Wano.
If Blackbeard attacks Tottoland as a way of copying/surpassing what Luffy accomplished, I think that would fit his character. Especially considering that Teach was saying that Luffy was not ready yet.
In regards of Blackbeard and the Road Poneglyphs. I thought that when Blackbeard stormed Wano, he might steal the rubbings the Straw Hats have. However, with the introduction of the three eyed tribe, I could see Blackbeard going that route. Although, my impression is that Blackbeard's interest in history will eventually focus on the Ancient Weapons more than One Piece.
And just stringing random things together:
- Blackbeard asked Bonney to be his women.
- The three eyed tribe have a power that can help in the Pirate King's Quest.
- Pudding was offered as a bride.
For whatever reason, I have the idea that Blackbeard would kidnap Pudding. I guess doubly so if he does invade Tottoland.
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Depends. If Greg's theory is right, then Wano should be consist of four islands each having different weather. If Wano is just a single island, then this island must be a close by one. I dunno, Oda is quite unpredictable these days.
Link to this theory?
I imagine Wano to be "big" since its like a whole nation consisting of villages, towns, sights, if all that is in one island…then the island should be massive, like alabasta was, prolly.
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X Drake was seen reading the papers in Wano after Doflamingo's defeat. So, as far as we know, he's in Wano too
Wano probably has a winter area. I mean, these trees are definitely Wano trees
https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/793/11The Japanese are all about their four seasons and all the food and culture that comes with each time of year. Wano most definitely will.
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Link to this theory?
I imagine Wano to be "big" since its like a whole nation consisting of villages, towns, sights, if all that is in one island…then the island should be massive, like alabasta was, prolly.
Somewhere in Greg's thread. Closest i find is page 94 where people were discussing about it. You have to search back further.
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Hi guys, what about timing right now?
Everybody was complaining about Wano starting abruptly before having seen anything actually about the Reverie.
I was thinking about that from days, and also about that interview by the editor of Oda where he was stating that Shs needed to be in Wano.
That made me think that maybe, at least some incidents in Wano, will happen during the Reverie and we will see also how those will affect the decisions of the world government.
I'm still not sure if that's the case or if the Reverie will be completely offpaneled, because that would assume that Luffy took only a day or two to reach Wano from WCI and I'm probably missing something.
But I believe it's not a coincidence and not only a narrative choice by Oda to rush the start of Wano
"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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We shouldn't ignore that Wano seems to be the only place in the entire world that is safe from World Government intervention, meaning that the Straw Hats are protected as long as they stay there. But at the same time, they're cut from the rest of the world (no newspaper, no info).
I think the Reverie will place the Straw Hats in even greater danger. St Charlos & co remember that time they were assaulted; Imu had Luffy's poster; Wapol and his Dark Kingdom, along with nations that could have suffered from the fall of Doflamingo, could oppose Straw Hat friendly countries like Alabasta. The decision of hunting down the SH (an admiral could be in charge; Ryokugyu for example) would change the world in major ways. Marines like Smoker would definitely be opposed, going as far as leaving the organization and following Kuzan in whatever he's up to atm.Semi-dumb prediction: Vegapunk's new weapon that can replace the shichibukai is a nuclear bomb and the WG will direct it at Wano to take out the Straw Hats and Kaido.
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Hi guys, what about timing right now?
Everybody was complaining about Wano starting abruptly before having seen anything actually about the Reverie.
I was thinking about that from days, and also about that interview by the editor of Oda where he was stating that Shs needed to be in Wano.
That made me think that maybe, at least some incidents in Wano, will happen during the Reverie and we will see also how those will affect the decisions of the world government.
I'm still not sure if that's the case or if the Reverie will be completely offpaneled, because that would assume that Luffy took only a day or two to reach Wano from WCI and I'm probably missing something.
But I believe it's not a coincidence and not only a narrative choice by Oda to rush the start of Wano
Honestly, it's because comments made by the editor a year ago about "getting to the Reverie and Wano" put the idea of the Reverie as a standalone "arc" into most peoples heads. I think upon rereading it in the volumes it's gonna come across more like the Warlord meeting right around Jaya.
We did get a few chapters of it, but in retrospect I think it's going to begin and end the Wano Arc. I wouldn't even be surprised if the events of the arc(or the time the Strawhats stay on Wano) ends up being the amount of days the Reverie is supposed to last, with us cutting back to it in real time leaving Wano, seeing only the consequences of whatever was discussed there at first.
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New locations : the former Kozuki castle and Bakura District
New characters : Batman, Gazelleman and Holdem.
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Before he's seen, I hope there's more to Orochi destroying his country besides him just being evil for the sake of being evil. Kaido is kind of already got that villain angle down for the arc.
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@RamistaR
Once Oda Shows a map of Wano, you can use the Picture-frame-colours to Show the fraction/Party of each char.
You could even use 2 concentric squares with different colours to Show sub-parties (like: "SH-alliance/Mink tribe" or "SH-alliance/Kozuki-clan").
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I hope Wano won't be longer than 200 chapters
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So we know now that Orochi came into power around 20 years ago, taking over from the Kozuki Clan. Oden broke Wano's closed border laws and sailed with the Roger Pirates to Raftel around 25 years ago, so if there's anything that would easily facilitate a power change, it would be that. So once Oden came back, it seems that he still had authority over Kuri, but Orochi is the boss man in charge now. Then Orochi brought in Kaido - possibly to quell potential uprisings? It would make sense for Oden to be seeking to remove Orochi from power, and Orochi could get Kaido on his side by revealing Oden's connection to Roger.
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Before he's seen, I hope there's more to Orochi destroying his country besides him just being evil for the sake of being evil. Kaido is kind of already got that villain angle down for the arc.
I think your logic is a bit twisted. I doubt that Kaido is a villain for the sake of being a villain angle, at least in the usual sense like most of the East Blue and Paradise villains. He might be a naturally messed up person, but I definitely expect his death wish and alcoholism to provide plenty of rounded out personality quirks and intriguing philosophies like Big Mom. He's definitely getting a flashback if Oda made ones for Lucci, Doflamingo, and Big Mom. And Oda might even make an exception to kill him off since he actually wants to die.
In contrast to that, I totally expect Orochi to be bad for the sake of being bad to balance out Oda's usual patterns. Especially if Orochi is revealed to be the main culprit behind killing Oden while Kaido is only his support. Not to mention how Wano Country's citizens being the umpteenth time we're seeing the poor get treated like trash and a good royal family getting ousted by a tyrant.
The only question is if we're getting a shallow egotistical joke like Krieg/Wapol/Spandam, a callous mastermind like Kuro/Crocodile/Enel, a manipulative dealmaker like Arlong/Caesar/Big Mom, or a stoic meathead like Lucci/Jack/Vinsmokes. I feel like we'll probably get the first thing to "balance out" how strong and intimidating Kaido is in a similar fashion to Spandam being the goofy brains and Lucci being the bloodthirsty brawns in Enies Lobby. I can't imagine Oda wanting both Kaido and Orochi as scary villains, there's always a pecking order to these things and he loves having at least one antagonist to play around with.
But I would love to be proven wrong!
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I cant see a goofy clutz of a spandam especially with how much of a grudge people have against him. Oda had to have spandam beat up nico robin throughout the story to keep him from being too silly and going against the tone.
We're skipping around lightheartedly enough here but things are gonna get messed up and you cant have a guy with Zero Poise standing with Kaido. Especially since we now know he wasnt born into his position and managed to seize power in a warrior nation. If he was irrelevant on his own, oda wouldnt bother highlighting him next to kaido and would have him introduced later as one of kaido's dogs.
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looking at that chart, makes me curious about who's actually getting proper fights, Bepo, penguin?, Nekomumashi?GazelleMan?.
some could just get trashed away like Buffalo by Kyros, some are actually getting their stuff, once we have the whole characters it'll be fun to play at linking versuses. -
I hope that Inu and Neko will just give direction and let the new generation of Minks handle the fights.
I expect Penguin and his pal to do something important and clever like Mr3 in Marineford.
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I hope that Inu and Neko will just give direction and let the new generation of Minks handle the fights.
I expect Penguin and his pal to do something important and clever like Mr3 in Marineford.
I don't see them as very competent fighters.It'd be kind of funny if Penguin just decked a gifter with a haki fist.
What non main mink do you want to see fight (besides The 2 kings and Wanda/Carrot)
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Kaidou looks like an emotional rollercoaster, so I expect to see all sides of him… that said, he seems to stabilize in the "evil side" of the balance more often than not, especially if we consider the cruel ways of his crew and the fact that Wano is a mess right now under his sight (even if the Shogun is also at fault here). Hawkins even implies that the real ruler in the shadows is Kaidou, not the Shogun (a puppet?).
That said, I really hope that the Shogun has some depth beyond his corrupt nature, like maybe regretting his deal with the "devil" that has put his country in such a bad shape, but being too deep in the mud (and afraid) to do something about it, even if he is also a pretty strong samurai, supposedly.
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I would like Orochi as a huge mess of scars and old wounds, wearing either royal garbs or samurai clothing. A bit similar to Shishio in Kenshin.
Kaido keeps him by his side both as a ruler for Wano and as an opponent for himself that he regularely fights because he believes that Orochi might somedays get
strong enough to kill him.That would set Orochi up as a SERIOUSLY dangerous enemy, even above the calamities, so Zoro would finally have an enemy that…well, isn't a joke...
I miss seeing Zoro bloodied and seriously struggling. He could bei Zoros Katakuri.Also I think it would make for an interesting climate between villains.
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I have this theory (based on nothing I'll admit) that Luffy will meet his crew again in Wano in the order in which they were recruited. Like, Zoro was the first one he met, next will be Nami and so on, culminating with Jimbe's return. That would be a fun way for this arc to encapsulate the whole adventure in shortened version.
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I have been wishing for that ever since Zoro appeared first, I am up for this corny turn up. I just wander how we get Sanji, Usopp and Nami to show up together.
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@Count:
And Oda might even make an exception to kill him off since he actually wants to die.
Because it's that classic forum medium, I can't tell if this is meant to be tongue in cheek, but it got me thinking. It's seriously unlikely to me that Oda would introduce a suicidal character and then have them successfully kill themselves which does positive things for the narrative. I might be wrong though, because Oda bungled the shit out of parental abuse in the last arc, but suicide might be a rougher topic in Japan specifically. Either way, Oda might want to tread lightly in that shorthand, because kids do read One Piece
If anything, Kaidou being suicidal makes him more likely to survive than someone with telling deathflags like Blackbeard or even Shanks. I don't know enough about Kaidou's personality yet, but that idealogical supplanting is usually core to "defeat" in One Piece. That could potentially foreshadow Kaidou eventually getting a new lease on life, which could be pretty powerful.
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Kaido is more likely to die by someone else's hand than by dying by his own hand.
On a related note, despite the circumstances surrounding it, Hililuk's death was a suicide.
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Because it's that classic forum medium, I can't tell if this is meant to be tongue in cheek, but it got me thinking. It's seriously unlikely to me that Oda would introduce a suicidal character and then have them successfully kill themselves which does positive things for the narrative. I might be wrong though, because Oda bungled the shit out of parental abuse in the last arc, but suicide might be a rougher topic in Japan specifically. Either way, Oda might want to tread lightly in that shorthand, because kids do read One Piece
If anything, Kaidou being suicidal makes him more likely to survive than someone with telling deathflags like Blackbeard or even Shanks. I don't know enough about Kaidou's personality yet, but that idealogical supplanting is usually core to "defeat" in One Piece. That could potentially foreshadow Kaidou eventually getting a new lease on life, which could be pretty powerful.
I was being completely serious. Although I should have elaborated that if Kaido does, I expect him to be killed. Not successfully commit suicide.
And when Luffy crushes someone's dreams, it's usually some corrupt selfish dream. Kaido wanting to kill himself isn't evil at all. Just look at Katakuri. He was made to be a likable selfless antagonist. I don't think any of his dreams got broken since Luffy respected him enough to keep his honor intact as the undefeated older sibling. In fact, I am almost willing to bet Oda will somehow put some wacky honorable pride spin on it like how Bellamy wanted Luffy to kill him in Dressrosa, Gin still wanted to work for a scumbag, Zoro did not want to retreat from Mihawk or Kuma, etc.
At most, I can see Kaido's dreams of creating Gifters and starting a world war or whatever getting destroyed.
Kaido wanting to die makes it likely because he dies in a "happy" and even "inspiring" way. He gets what he wants while still getting a tragic end. Which is Oda's status quo for deaths in this series aside from selfless sacrifices. It is how "almost no character dies ever since Alabasta" Oda operates. He gets to have his cake and eat it too for happy endings and drama.
And it is really hard for me to see a former Yonko running around with a new lease on life before the story ends. Maybe it's just me, but I can only see them going to Impel Down or dying by the time of this series' endgame aside from Teach. They're too powerful of wild cards otherwise.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I love this idea
which is kaidu is a dragon who eat human human fruit model oni
after luffy and others defeat kaidu and they no longer can fight then kaido transform to a dragon and start beating everyone and destroying wano now zoro come and fight with him until he kill him like ryuma with this kaido will have his dream and zoro will become the legend that killed dragon . -
Zoro already killed a dragon.
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It sounds shallow, but Kaido’s design seems way too aggressive for me to picture him coming off as sympathetic.
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Kaido wanting to die makes it likely because he dies in a "happy" and even "inspiring" way. He gets what he wants while still getting a tragic end. Which is Oda's status quo for deaths in this series aside from selfless sacrifices. It is how "almost no character dies ever since Alabasta" Oda operates. He gets to have his cake and eat it too for happy endings and drama.
Well, let's not forget IM that supposedly has the power to "vanquish someone from the face of the earth" or something like that ( we can only presume he has some kind of power) and maybe Kaidou will find his end in a similar manner. Oda showing us how many times he coudln't commit suicide, how he got captured & sentanced to death and escaped everytime, all of this points out that Luffy & Co are not enough to defeat him physicaly. Even BM laughed at the idea of them defeating Kaidou when SH together with all supernovas would have a hard time deafeting BM herself.
I don't get the feeling that this will be a classic head on battle with winners and losers, defeated and victoryious type of match. Surely, the Gifters/Kaidou's henchmen/Calamities will get their asswooped by the end of the arc but Kaidou will suffer a different fate then what normal antagonists have.
At least that is how i visualize based on what we know this far.
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Sounds like kaidou can't be kld in any normal way. But not natural fruit power could do it, like moria. After what he did to his crew, I just can't see Moria not helping kll kaidou.
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Hawkins joins the fight in Bakura Town, but which side is he actually joining ?
He looks more concerned about random goons fighting Luffy than when he fought Luffy himself.!
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If anything, Kaidou being suicidal makes him more likely to survive than someone with telling deathflags like Blackbeard or even Shanks. I don't know enough about Kaidou's personality yet, but that idealogical supplanting is usually core to "defeat" in One Piece. That could potentially foreshadow Kaidou eventually getting a new lease on life, which could be pretty powerful.
The quack doctor commited suicide and it was framed positively. After he positively let his son poison him.
Oda has change his writing since (after Alabasta, after timeskip) but there is at least precedence for Oda framing death as something one can seek for positive or understandable reason and the reader supposing to sympathize with it.
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I'm enjoying Luffy out there jumping around and threatening Yonkos with kicking their butts.
and then, there's Shanks like; no Teach, stop, dont do that!, noo, wait, imma tell the gorosei!!, Teach stop pleaseee!!
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I'm enjoying Luffy out there jumping around and threatening Yonkos with kicking their butts.
and then, there's Shanks like; no Teach, stop, dont do that!, noo, wait, imma tell the gorosei!!, Teach stop pleaseee!!
To be honest, Luffy just doesn't know what he is facing. He never did. Maybe it is commen when you are future Pirate King^^
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I really don't think at this point Gorosei need yonkous shanks to tell them about BB, if yes then they are much dumber then luffy.
I think shanks knows now luffy as yonkou will get heavy attention from wg so maybe he is there to tell them if they do something againt luffy then he will also be their enemy since they are friends. Since shanks knows luffy can't handle the entire wg force now since he just got in the NW. He only started to move when he saw the news about luffy.
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uhmm, I'm kind of realizing Shanks and current Luffy/fleet/allies would be a massive strength together.
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I'm enjoying Luffy out there jumping around and threatening Yonkos with kicking their butts.
and then, there's Shanks like; no Teach, stop, dont do that!, noo, wait, imma tell the gorosei!!, Teach stop pleaseee!!
If Shanks gave a real damn about the Blackbeard thing he should have been chansed and killed before he became a yonko.
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If Shanks gave a real damn about the Blackbeard thing he should have been chansed and killed before he became a yonko.
Maybe he did and that's how he got his scar.
Back then, killing Teach would mean war with WB. After killing Tatch, BB was on the run and was so difficult to trace Ace had to infiltrate the Marines to find him. Shortly after, MF happened… at which point BB might have already become too dangerous to attack.
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Maybe he did and that's how he got his scar.
Back then, killing Teach would mean war with WB. After killing Tatch, BB was on the run and was so difficult to trace Ace had to infiltrate the Marines to find him. Shortly after, MF happened… at which point BB might have already become too dangerous to attack.Blackbeard was not untrackable when he left Whitebeard. Whitebeard just chose not two and Ace quickly tracked him down. And Blackbeard spent the last 2 years in the new world and was under no one protection. Blackbeard was short on men and a novice to in his fruit. Shanks chose to not not finish him when he was to weak.
I mean all the yonko did but whereas the other 2 don't seem to care much about their position and whoever doesn't attack them I can say that consistent. But with Shanks that suposedely care about the danger he will grow to be that's just stupid. And every time there is a discussion about how Shanks is interested in that I am reminded that if he really did he should have killed him already.
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Blackbeard was not untrackable when he left Whitebeard. Whitebeard just chose not two and Ace quickly tracked him down. And Blackbeard spent the last 2 years in the new world and was under no one protection. Blackbeard was short on men and a novice to in his fruit. Shanks chose to not not finish him when he was to weak.
I mean all the yonko did but whereas the other 2 don't seem to care much about their position and whoever doesn't attack them I can say that consistent. But with Shanks that suposedely care about the danger he will grow to be that's just stupid. And every time there is a discussion about how Shanks is interested in that I am reminded that if he really did he should have killed him already.
Because he doesn't want a new set of scars. :ninja:
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Otsuru having Kozuki clan symbol in her store isn't like saying; hey sup I'm a rebel, fuck Orochi!!
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Otsuru having Kozuki clan symbol in her store isn't like saying; hey sup I'm a rebel, fuck Orochi!!
???The symbol is very very similar, but not exactly the same. Oda may elaborate more on that in the future.
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I wonder, what if Shutenmaru is actually a newly lean and trim Gekko Moriah? :ninja:
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Blackbeard was not untrackable when he left Whitebeard. Whitebeard just chose not two and Ace quickly tracked him down. And Blackbeard spent the last 2 years in the new world and was under no one protection. Blackbeard was short on men and a novice to in his fruit. Shanks chose to not not finish him when he was to weak.
I mean all the yonko did but whereas the other 2 don't seem to care much about their position and whoever doesn't attack them I can say that consistent. But with Shanks that suposedely care about the danger he will grow to be that's just stupid. And every time there is a discussion about how Shanks is interested in that I am reminded that if he really did he should have killed him already.
Just as BB, Shanks maybe just believes in fate and he believes he isn't meant to kill BB. IF there is a deeper meaning to Shanks giving the hat to Luffy, there COULD be a deeper meanig why Shanks hasn't finished off BB by the end of the war. That doesn't stop BB from killing Shanks one day though. Could be the same Situation Shanks (and Luffy) faced in East Blue where Shanks lost his arm.
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Sounds like kaidou can't be kld in any normal way. But not natural fruit power could do it, like moria. After what he did to his crew, I just can't see Moria not helping kll kaidou.
I wonder what happens, if Moria steals Kaidou's shadow and the sun hits Kaidou. Either Kaidou will meet his (longed for) death, or the sun just explodes.
The latter would be funny
