What is also weird is that in 20 years, Izo never considered visiting his master and Kiku.
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Chapter 972: I Am Oden, And I Was Born To Boil
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@Daz:
Ah, I mixed up the Oars Jr flashback, my bad.
But my point is, Ace still went there, saw the shitty conditions, and vowed to help the country, which is something a crew as powerful as Whitebeads would be very much able to do- but its not apparently something that was ever considered.…Help liberate it?
I mean, a character is currently in the middle of trying to enlist the remnants of the WB pirates to take down Kaidou, based expressly on their shared history as allies, whether its "20 years too late" or not. Why is it okay now, but not back when it could've actually helped?Ace did say he was going to do something and maybe he would done so after his goal of making WB the PK but he died .
You forget that Ace try to kill WB over 100 times before he join and then sometime later went after BB so maybe there was not time in there for him to something about Wano.
Like you said it could also be something that never came up between him and WB.The thing is who knows if WB was going to help or would have gotten involve 20 years later if he did find out .
He did not go after BB who kill his own crew member , why would he go into full out war with Kaido a former crew mate over someone that died 20 years ago and famliy suppose to be dead .
Also the main reason they asking for help now is because Momo came back before that we had 2 characters that were not talking for years.EDIT i think some people have WB too noble if they think he willing to go to war for a dead man at risk of his crew.
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I like to imagine marineford if excuse making WB was calling the shots.
-you are right you got yourself into this and it isn't reasonable to risk my other men for you.
I mean you can excuse anything in any number of ways, but having WB turn his back on a dear friend takes something from the characters soul. And having an implied reason be pettiness, from the guy who hugged and forgave being literally stabbed in his heart by a friend doesn't help too much
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I like to imagine marineford if excuse making WB was calling the shots.
-you are right you got yourself into this and it isn't reasonable to risk my other men for you.
I mean you can excuse anything in any number of ways, but having WB turn his back on a dear friend takes something from the characters soul. And having an implied reason be pettiness, from the guy who hugged and forgave being literally stabbed in his heart by a friend doesn't help too much
Ace was alive and i think having his own crew member kill and him not going after BB with everything already take something from his soul if you want to call it that .
Normally that is a much bigger deal to some and BB would have been a much easier fight than kaido in term of man power need. -
I don't see where Ace said he promised he'd come back to save the country. All he said was that he'd come back when his crew is even bigger. Only promise being made is letting her join once she's older.
I don't think so. Ace only made a new hat for Oars in Wano/or learned how to there. But we really don't know with whom did Ace spoke in Wano except for Tama and a few villagers who had no idea of the connection of Oden and Whitebeard. So you could say that the whole Oden tragedy was right in front of Ace's eyes, but there was no one to tell him.
Oden also wasn't a part of WB's crew at the time, so it's not exactly weird that he didn't just randomly bring it up.
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I don't see where Ace said he promised he'd come back to save the country. All he said was that he'd come back when his crew is even bigger. Only promise being made is letting her join once she's older.
I think it was chapter 918 but maybe you disagree that meant "saving the country".
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I think it was chapter 918 but maybe you disagree that meant "saving the country".
Oh ok, I forgot about that, just looked at 912. Yea that would count.
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The whole why "didn't Whitebeard avenge Oden" can be as simple as "he didn't know". If you find that too ridiculous then it can be him feeling conflicted because Kaido was a former crewmate and Oden left him for Roger.
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The thing I keep coming back to is that now, in the actual present, an attempt is being made to recruit Whitebeard pirates to fight against Kaidou. But no such attempt was made before, where Oden could've also called in favors from the Yakuza, the other lords, Zou and the remnants of the Roger pirates.
Even if we assume Whitebeard had cooked up all manner of excuses for not going to Wano in the past, Oden could have at least asked
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Actually. For all we know, Whitebeard did try to avenge him and he failed. I'm more curious if Izo is going to come back now that Kiku is back.
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@Daz:
The thing I keep coming back to is that now, in the actual present, an attempt is being made to recruit Whitebeard pirates to fight against Kaidou. But no such attempt was made before, where Oden could've also called in favors from the Yakuza, the other lords, Zou and the remnants of the Roger pirates.
Even if we assume Whitebeard had cooked up all manner of excuses for not going to Wano in the past, Oden could have at least asked
I think Oden simply thought it was up to him and his retainers. That's basically what he said when the Roger Pirates offered their help no?
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Actually. For all we know, Whitebeard did try to avenge him and he failed. I'm more curious if Izo is going to come back now that Kiku is back.
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I think Oden simply thought it was up to him and his retainers. That's basically what he said when the Roger Pirates offered their help no?
Is that not a stupid thing for Oden to think, though? Not to mention what assurance did he have that they would be successful if they did take them on (which turned out not to be the case, hence asking for help from their outside allies would have been necessary)? None of that makes sense on his part.
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@Daz:
Even if we assume Whitebeard had cooked up all manner of excuses for not going to Wano in the past, Oden could have at least asked
You know, I regularly get some phone calls at my home attempted to a nearby doctor's office instead. Because they always switch two numbers and call xxx89x instead of xxx98x.
Maybe it's the same here and whenever they tried to call Whitebeard they instead called Orochi's office. Which also kills two birds with one stone as it also answers the question about the traitor and his motives.
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Is that not a stupid thing for Oden to think, though? Not to mention what assurance did he have that they would be successful if they did take them on (which turned out not to be the case, hence asking for help from their outside allies would have been necessary)? None of that makes sense on his part.
Of course it is stupid but since when has stupidity stoped anyone? Are characters not allowed to do stupid things anymore? It does make sense. Its just not smart.
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Some coming back to saying Oden could at least ask but he did not want help .
He was a selfish person that wanted to carry the burden of everything .
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Oden didn't even tell his retainers about what the deal was during the 5 years, so I think it's fair to assume he never tried to contact Whitebeard. He takes all upon himself, that's just the kind of guy he was.
As for after his death, well, he told them to open Wano in 20 years, and half of the scabbards were sent to that exact time along with Momo, who is essential for a Kozuki restoration, so who exactly would be asking him for help in that time, and to do what exactly?
They're trying to recruit the WB pirates now, because now is when they're trying to amass an army to defeat Kaido and Orochi. Their only other attempt at overthrowing them was the one that lead to Oden's execution, which was originally meant to be an assassination at Onigashima with just the 10 of them. Calling an outside force (assuming that was even a possibility considering Wano's isolation) would risk exposing their plans and starting an all-out war (which they've consistently been trying to avoid, even now) and unnecessarily so, since Oden apparently had a solid shot a beating Kaido 1vs1.
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In the end, it pretty much all comes back to Oden being a moron.
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Oden being a moron would have been fine if the characters in the story didn't portray him as a near perfect being
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Oden being a moron would have been fine if the characters in the story didn't portray him as a near perfect being
Some people took it that way but it was never said he was perfect .
They talk about all the good things he did along with his adventure.
I mean you can do a list of all the great things luffy did but that still don't stop him from doing stupid things all the time even in this arc or being a moron. -
Oden being a moron would have been fine if the characters in the story didn't portray him as a near perfect being
What characters portrayed him as "a near perfect being"?
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It's been brought up several times that the 20 years have taken a toll on Wano and that Kin'nemon and Co. can't just go acting like nothing has changed and everyone is on board with their cause.
I do wonder if there's gonna be actual consequences coming from that or if every Wano citizen is gonna pull an Ashura Doji and be like 'nevermind, we always believed'.
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You know, I regularly get some phone calls at my home attempted to a nearby doctor's office instead. Because they always switch two numbers and call xxx89x instead of xxx98x.
Maybe it's the same here and whenever they tried to call Whitebeard they instead called Orochi's office. Which also kills two birds with one stone as it also answers the question about the traitor and his motives.
Hahaha, this is so silly. I love it.
Both your RL experience and the projection
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They're trying to recruit the WB pirates now, because now is when they're trying to amass an army to defeat Kaido and Orochi. Their only other attempt at overthrowing them was the one that lead to Oden's execution, which was originally meant to be an assassination at Onigashima with just the 10 of them. Calling an outside force (assuming that was even a possibility considering Wano's isolation) would risk exposing their plans and starting an all-out war (which they've consistently been trying to avoid, even now) and unnecessarily so, since Oden apparently had a solid shot a beating Kaido 1vs1.
They are asking Marco for help now because the time travelers are back. And their was two attempts to overthrow Kaido and Orochi. Both of them failed and he had to settle for something else. They could have and should have asked for help but you know how it is.
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Oden didn't even tell his retainers about what the deal was during the 5 years, so I think it's fair to assume he never tried to contact Whitebeard. He takes all upon himself, that's just the kind of guy he was.
As for after his death, well, he told them to open Wano in 20 years, and half of the scabbards were sent to that exact time along with Momo, who is essential for a Kozuki restoration, so who exactly would be asking him for help in that time, and to do what exactly?
They're trying to recruit the WB pirates now, because now is when they're trying to amass an army to defeat Kaido and Orochi. Their only other attempt at overthrowing them was the one that lead to Oden's execution, which was originally meant to be an assassination at Onigashima with just the 10 of them. Calling an outside force (assuming that was even a possibility considering Wano's isolation) would risk exposing their plans and starting an all-out war (which they've consistently been trying to avoid, even now) and unnecessarily so, since Oden apparently had a solid shot a beating Kaido 1vs1.
Agree very much with everything aside from the bolded. There was 1 more attempt 10 years before the present time in which those who were loyal to Kozuki took up arms and were whipped out entirely. I want to say Asura was with them at the time and it was after that he became jaded and wasn't to willing to join Kinemon should he have returned.
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Agree very much with everything aside from the bolded. There was 1 more attempt 10 years before the present time in which those who were loyal to Kozuki took up arms and were whipped out entirely. I want to say Asura was with them at the time and it was after that he became jaded and wasn't to willing to join Kinemon should he have returned.
I think he was talking specifically about Oden/the Scabbards.
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i think some people have WB too noble if they think he willing to go to war for a dead man at risk of his crew.
I think he's noble enough to go to war to protect the woman and children of a man he called brother, especially seeing how one of his children was the first baby ever born on his ship.
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Although Boy's band one was ugly, this one is quite nice
Even more now that i learn that the Mangaka drawing some of the ads is Eisaku Kubonouchi, the author of the extremely good title ChocolatAhhh, I didn't know that. That manga is aweeeesome!!!
@Daz:
The thing I keep coming back to is that now, in the actual present, an attempt is being made to recruit Whitebeard pirates to fight against Kaidou. But no such attempt was made before, where Oden could've also called in favors from the Yakuza, the other lords, Zou and the remnants of the Roger pirates.
Yeap, this is the only bad point of the flashback to me. Roger died a year after Oden's return to Wano, so even him ot Scopper Gaban and the guys could have help him. We still need to see what Oden and Roger and Whitebeard knew/saw about Raftel and the Void Century: maybe that info could lower a bit the bad taste of that point.
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Ahhh, I didn't know that. That manga is aweeeesome!!!
Yeap, this is the only bad point of the flashback to me. Roger died a year after Oden's return to Wano, so even him ot Scopper Gaban and the guys could have help him. We still need to see what Oden and Roger and Whitebeard knew/saw about Raftel and the Void Century: maybe that info could lower a bit the bad taste of that point.
Roger had already left, and completely disbanded the crew beforehand, so everyone already went their own way. Between that and Oden explicitly telling them he'd handle it himself with the Scabbards, of course the Roger Pirates didn't come.
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Roger had already left, and completely disbanded the crew beforehand, so everyone already went their own way. Between that and Oden explicitly telling them he'd handle it himself with the Scabbards, of course the Roger Pirates didn't come.
The things is even there VC did not know where most of them are after they went into hiding .
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Roger had already left, and completely disbanded the crew beforehand, so everyone already went their own way. Between that and Oden explicitly telling them he'd handle it himself with the Scabbards, of course the Roger Pirates didn't come.
Yeah of course you need to be in a pirate crew to be able to help a friend… :ninja:
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Yeah of course you need to be in a pirate crew to be able to help a friend… :ninja:
I mean that's not what I said. I'm alluding to the simple fact that their whereabouts are that much harder to track down now that they have disbanded. So aside from Oden not wanting their help in the first place, saying he'll just easily find them just because it's only been a year isn't really convincing. Not to mention Oden himself is completely incapable of sailing on his own, and at that point is already preoccupied with keeping Wano safe in his own way.
Honestly the only group where I can understand wanting to nitpick the finer details is Whitebeard's crew. We know why Roger and his crew didn't come, and we know why Oden didn't ask for help/couldn't just go off to go and find them. Though for me personally, unless Whitebeard is revealed to have known Oden was suffering during those 5 years and intentionally did nothing, I'm fine with the idea of him not seeking revenge, assuming he actually did eventually learn what happened.
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The things is even there VC did not know where most of them are after they went into hiding .
So Oden even finding them would have been hard to do.Well to be fair, he's talking about the present day, doesn't necessarily mean he didn't know where some of them went at first. Either way, that doesn't help Oden unless he knows where to find any of them.
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Their is so much we don't know or maybe I don't read things thoroughly and my memory sucks.
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Their is so much we don't know or maybe I don't read things thoroughly and my memory sucks.
For example; when did Dogstorm and Catviper leave Wano?
Did Whitebeard/Izo really never return after they left?We don't know when or how they escaped.
And as far as we know, WB/Izo don't seem to have ever made their way back to Wano. Though I'm still secretly hoping Izo did so after the WB Pirates disbanded after losing to Blackbeard.
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I mean that's not what I said. I'm alluding to the simple fact that their whereabouts are that much harder to track down now that they have disbanded. So aside from Oden not wanting their help in the first place, saying he'll just easily find them just because it's only been a year isn't really convincing. Not to mention Oden himself is completely incapable of sailing on his own, and at that point is already preoccupied with keeping Wano safe in his own way.
Honestly the only group where I can understand wanting to nitpick the finer details is Whitebeard's crew. We know why Roger and his crew didn't come, and we know why Oden didn't ask for help/couldn't just go off to go and find them. Though for me personally, unless Whitebeard is revealed to have known Oden was suffering during those 5 years and intentionally did nothing, I'm fine with the idea of him not seeking revenge, assuming he actually did eventually learn what happened.
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Well to be fair, he's talking about the present day, doesn't necessarily mean he didn't know where some of them went at first. Either way, that doesn't help Oden unless he knows where to find any of them.
That's arguable at least. Anyway the point about Oden not asking for help still holds, be it about WB, R or Yasui and the yakusa. It's all on him.
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Their is so much we don't know or maybe I don't read things thoroughly and my memory sucks.
For example; when did Dogstorm and Catviper leave Wano?
Did Whitebeard/Izo really never return after they left?We know Inu and Neko get caught again at some point right after being freed by Oden, we dont know how did they escape the second time, but I'm assuming Shinobu had something to do with that.
At some point in that 20 years span, the Yonkou started making their borders territory quite clear, I suppose Newgate wouldnt seek for unnecessary trouble by entering someone else's domain.
As for Izo, he could have gone there after the WB pirates were defeated in the Payback War, but wouldnt find any of his friends given half of them were in the Magic world of Time-travell, Inu and Neko were home, Kawa was a prisioner, Ashura was under a different name as a bandit and Denjiro is harder to find than Waldo in a wall sized picture of bunch of people.
So there was nothing for Izo at that point, however, Neko havent arrived yet, and if anyone could knew the whereabouts of Izo, that would be Marco. -
We don't know when or how they escaped.
And as far as we know, WB/Izo don't seem to have ever made their way back to Wano. Though I'm still secretly hoping Izo did so after the WB Pirates disbanded after losing to Blackbeard.
Yeah It would be great if Izo is already at Wano and doesn't just suddenly show up though now I'm thinking Roger should have told Whitebeard what happened when they went to get the Poneglyph at Wano and what Oden was planning to do after that. That should have spurred him and Izo to action.
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Oden told Roger that was something he had to do himself as a Kozuki. If Roger told Whitebeard that, which is actually very possible come to think of it, that might be the reason why he didn't do anything.
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Regarding the whole "He told Roger he'd handle it" situation, you guys do realize Oden was talking about the politics of opening the borders, and not liberating it from Kaidou, right? Because he was completely clueless about that?
its actually pretty amusing to me that Oden had the entire Roger crew, in their prime on Wano -which is in full Weapons For Kaidou mode- when he dumps Toki. If pressed, they could've probably ousted Orochis rule in an afternoon, and Oden could've resumed adventuring.
And then he arrives at Kaidou-occupied yet apparently extremely open-bordered Wano AGAIN with Rogers crew, says goodbye, and immediately discovers that Oh wait, my country has become a totalitarian nightmare state ruled by a treacherous tyrant! Seriously, theres maybe half a day between Oden waving goodbye to possibly the most legendary pirate crew ever, and being conned into dancing naked in the streets. Its pretty hilarious, when you think about it, in a Bwah Bwahhhh kinda way. Good thing none of the Roger crewmates wanted to say hello To Inu, Neko, Toki or the kids I guess.
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@Daz:
Regarding the whole "He told Roger he'd handle it" situation, you guys do realize Oden was talking about the politics of opening the borders, and not liberating it from Kaidou, right? Because he was completely clueless about that?
its actually pretty amusing to me that Oden had the entire Roger crew, in their prime on Wano -which is in full Weapons For Kaidou mode- when he dumps Toki. If pressed, they could've probably ousted Orochis rule in an afternoon, and Oden could've resumed adventuring.
And then he arrives at Kaidou-occupied yet apparently extremely open-bordered Wano AGAIN with Rogers crew, says goodbye, and immediately discovers that Oh wait, my country has become a totalitarian nightmare state ruled by a treacherous tyrant! Seriously, theres maybe half a day between Oden waving goodbye to possibly the most legendary pirate crew ever, and being conned into dancing naked in the streets. Its pretty hilarious, when you think about it, in a Bwah Bwahhhh kinda way. Good thing none of the Roger crewmates wanted to say hello To Inu, Neko, Toki or the kids I guess.
Well he thought they will meet again some day he was wrong lol.
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It's one of the reasons I'm not really feeling this arc. Basically, Orochi and Kaido gained plot armor for just enough time to fuck Oden up. Who was in turn made to look incredibly dumb to trust Orochi enough to dance and do not much else over 5 years while not trusting his own retainers and family enough to bring them up to speed.
God forbid actually making contingency plans for that little chance Orochi turns out to be a backstabbing scum for the second time.
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What if the reason why Kaidou is interested in Wano is a somehow dangerous secret and Oden didn't want to share it with WB pirates? He probably thought that untill Joy Boy returns there is no reason to change anything or to overthrow the rulers since Joy Boy will make fundamental changes to the world anyway.
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It's one of the reason I'm not really feeling this arc. Basically, Orochi and Kaido gained plot armor for just enough time to fuck Oden up. Who was in turn made to look incredibly dumb to trust Orochi enough to dance and do not much else over 5 years while not trusting his own retainers and family enough to bring them up to speed.
God forbid actually making contingency plans for that little chance Orochi turns out to be a backstabbing scum for the second time.
Well it's not like he did not had a plan when Oro back stab him the first time.
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@Daz:
Regarding the whole "He told Roger he'd handle it" situation, you guys do realize Oden was talking about the politics of opening the borders, and not liberating it from Kaidou, right? Because he was completely clueless about that?
its actually pretty amusing to me that Oden had the entire Roger crew, in their prime on Wano -which is in full Weapons For Kaidou mode- when he dumps Toki. If pressed, they could've probably ousted Orochis rule in an afternoon, and Oden could've resumed adventuring.
And then he arrives at Kaidou-occupied yet apparently extremely open-bordered Wano AGAIN with Rogers crew, says goodbye, and immediately discovers that Oh wait, my country has become a totalitarian nightmare state ruled by a treacherous tyrant! Seriously, theres maybe half a day between Oden waving goodbye to possibly the most legendary pirate crew ever, and being conned into dancing naked in the streets. Its pretty hilarious, when you think about it, in a Bwah Bwahhhh kinda way. Good thing none of the Roger crewmates wanted to say hello To Inu, Neko, Toki or the kids I guess.
Yeah. I don't understand how he supposedly got a copy of the poneglyph and just left. Or how Roger and his crew were cool with that.
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Actually that's a good question. Where was that Poneglyph? Kaido was in Onigashima and Orochi in the flower capital, so they can't possibly have gotten it without running into them. I guess in Kuri? Or maybe Kaido wasn't living in Onigashima yet (I seem to recall him mentioning someone about a new residence).
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I was referring more to the fact that Wano wasn't looking so good and they just left.
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Regarding the whole "well, why didn't Oden, that dumbass, ask for help from Whitebeard/the Roger pirates" debate, my question is: when and how? Sure, he could have asked the Roger pirates for help right before he went back to Wano instead of telling them he'd take care of things on his own, and as Daz pointed out, there definitely is a huge irony in that. But he had no idea what exactly was going on at Wano and honestly couldn't have expected someone as powerful as Kaido being there. Oden was not only the rightful ruler of Wano, he was also one of the strongest people in the world back then. It's not that foolish of him to think that he could handle things on his own as some of you make it out to be.
And once he was back on Wano, it's not like it would have been that easy to call them or Whitebeard for help. He had no way of contacting them - Den Den Mushis weren't around back then - and no way of leaving Wano, since a. he didn't have a boat b. he wasn't a good sailor and c. the borders were sealed anyway. I mean, he only got to leave the first time because Whitebeard happened to land there by accident - there clearly wasn't a way for him to leave without outside help.
Even if in the five years he was dancing on the streets, he had secretly built a boat in order to sneak out of Wano and get help, it would have meant going both against his deal with Orochi and Kaido (because I don't think they would have been ok with him just pissing off to get Whitebeard's and Roger's help) and breaking the laws of Wano, both actions that, even if he had successfully managed to escape, would certainly have cost the people he left dearly. If he had taken his family with him, that would have been super reckless and dangerous for them, trying to sail the Grand Line on a little boat with two small kids on board. Plus, the citizens of Wano would have been screwed royally while he would have been gone, since then he couldn't have continued to protect their lives by dancing in the streets, i.e. Kaido and Orochi would have been free to murder, torture and kidnap them again.
And even taking all this into account, who knows how long it would have taken him to even find Whitebeard and the Roger pirates on the huge ocean? It could have taken him years, if he even would have found them at all, and all this while , his country (and his family, if he left them there) would have had no protection at all against Kaido. Additionally: small boat + lousy sailor + Grand Line weather = very good chance of dying out there without accomplishing anything.
What I'm saying is: I don't think your proposed tactic of leaving Wano in order to get help really is any better than Oden's plan of trying to negotiate with Orochi and Kaido. At the time, he was the only one there keeping these two from murdering the civilians. Simply leaving, even if it were to go get help, would have been really careless and reckless, not to mention most probably futile. The situation was different for the scabbards sent to the future, because then there was no Oden to protect the country anymore, anyway, and they couldn't have done jackshit against Kaido on their own, so now leaving and getting help really was the best thing they could do - and look how that turned out at first, they were spotted while leaving and then almost died on the open sea because sailing the Grand Line without navigational skills is a pretty hopeless endeavor!
As for the question why Whitebeard didn't come to Oden's help on his own: because he didn't know Oden needed any help. There was no way to contact anybody in Wano from the outside, plus he didn't even know there was a reason to worry about Oden in the first place for him. Razh said that Whitebeard should have come, at the very least, to save the family of his former bro, but again, when? He didn't know there was trouble in Wano while Oden was alive, and who knows when he found about Oden's eventual death - maybe it was years later. He certainly didn't find out about it in the few hours between Oden's death and Kaido attacking his family - which, as far as anybody knew, ended with death of every member of the Kozuki clan. So the idea that Whitebeard is a jerk for not going to save Oden and/or his family is off the table.
The only reason he could have gone there later was in order to avenge Oden's death, but as I said, who knows when he even found about it (if ever!). Maybe Ace told him about it, but that would have been like, 18 years later or something. I think it's at the very least debatable if Whitebeard should go to war for that reason at this point (a war that, most probably, would have ended up destroying the country of his friend completely, knowing both his and Kaido's style of fighting).
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Just have to wait for oda explaining regarding the reason why roger didn't do anything when they came.
Kaidou absolutely has came, as there was already factories. But i wonder though, if they know that kaidou was behind it.
Come to think of it, could a pirate great enough like kaidou doesn't know if a ship from other big pirate has landed ashore?Also for roger (answering my own question), he probably too invested on the limited time he has to get to the last island so that he didnt give a damn for a state of a country at that time. Even his friend's home.
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Very solid chapter, but not an outstanding one IMO. Biggest issue for me was actually the art/paneling. Having Oden's final moments happen in a couple of tiny panels instead of a big impactful one is… odd.
Even though I loved this flashback on the whole, I think this is the first one where I can say the journey was better than the destination.
I hope it goes on for a chapter longer to tie up some loose ends.
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Very solid chapter, but not an outstanding one IMO. Biggest issue for me was actually the art/paneling. Having Oden's final moments happen in a couple of tiny panels instead of a big impactful one is… odd.
Even though I loved this flashback on the whole, I think this is the first one where I can say the journey was better than the destination.
I hope it goes on for a chapter longer to tie up some loose ends.
Oden's final moments didn't get big impactful panels because we were already told about it beforehand.
We already new the destination that's why the journey felt better.
Yeah the flashback seems incomplete.
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Very solid chapter, but not an outstanding one IMO. Biggest issue for me was actually the art/paneling. Having Oden's final moments happen in a couple of tiny panels instead of a big impactful one is… odd.
Even though I loved this flashback on the whole, I think this is the first one where I can say the journey was better than the destination.
I hope it goes on for a chapter longer to tie up some loose ends.
I think Oda's intention is to have the page where people finished his sentence be the "big impactful panel" and it works for me.
If we get a double spread of him getting shot it would have made that moment less powerful.Kaido was attempting to give Oden an unceremonious death. He didn't care enough to let Oden finishes his speech. The tiny panels of Oden getting shot and falling into the oil are perfect because that shows exactly how much Kaido and Orochi care about his honor. But then the people refused to let it end like that and made sure that Oden at least got a sendoff he deserves. That's the part I really find touching IMO.
