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Chapter 972: I Am Oden, And I Was Born To Boil
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Joy Boy and Infelicitous Man.
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What if part of Joy Boy's name - particularly "Joy" was changed from when it was closer to something along the lines of "Geoise"? Like the Holy Land of Mary Geoise.
Probably stupid idea.
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I think Wano will be the first victim of Kaido's and Linlin's World Destruction Tour.
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And did Oda changed Usopps post ts design?
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Can Buggy turn his Muggy balls permanently black?
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Press F to pay respect to a real one.
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To me its weird that Luffy has both Joyboys will and also Gold Rogers will. Luffy said the same thing as Roger so we assume that he has the same will as Roger but what about Joyboy.
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding going on here. You're not getting anywhere with just one Will, lol. You need several:
1. Will of D.
2. Will of Goldo Roger
3. Will of Poseidon
4. Will of Acesu
5. Will of Joy BoyIf you have them all you can combine the power of the Wills and summon Captain Strawhat, child of the prophecy
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(Will of Acesu is optional because it actually does nothing, but it doesn't hurt either so whatever)
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I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding going on here. You're not getting anywhere with just one Will, lol. You need several:
1. Will of D.
2. Will of Goldo Roger
3. Will of Poseidon
4. Will of Acesu
5. Will of Joy BoyIf you have them all you can combine the power of the Wills and summon Captain Strawhat, child of the prophecy
(Will of Acesu is optional because it actually does nothing, but it doesn't hurt either so whatever)
Will of Acesu allows him to summon his trusted ally Sabo
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So Luffy is officially Joy boy reincarnation now?
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I was thinking the line might have had more impact if it was used more throughout and was like a catchphrase but the idea of inverting it so the citizens are yelling their lord's name at the end is cool too and actually better.
I took it as Denjiro wanting to die by Oden side since he said he's not surviving the day and that's what retainers do. Raizo stops him promising instead that while he die alone they will fufill his dream for the future.
Yeah, thinking they should all die together makes the most sense. I guess the wording just doesn't quite work me this time. Cheers!
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Ace was will of roger, he the one roger bet on becoming pk and doing what even he didn't.
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This is giving me Fishman Island and Dressrosa levels of nausea. Oda sure loves a dumb crowd.
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The colour spread truly does look nice, but it's the second one in a row that's promoing some collaboration. I really don't like the idea of the colour spreads just becoming the One Piece ad space. .
Although Boy's band one was ugly, this one is quite nice
Even more now that i learn that the Mangaka drawing some of the ads is Eisaku Kubonouchi, the author of the extremely good title Chocolat -
So Luffy is officially Joy boy reincarnation now?
It's just inherited will, as we've read many times. That's all. Luffy will complete what this Joy Boy person failed to do in the Ancient Past.
But this whole Joy Boy stuff should have been developed better by now, and Luffy's desire to learn about the Lost History should have been a bit more developed as well. My fear is that since this hasn't happened, it's because it's all too simplistic. Sometimes simple is good, but other times it's the result of lack of effort to develop the story better. This prophecy stuff is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think it was necessary. I didn't think it was necessary during the FI arc. I like the simple idea - inherited will and fighting for your dreams. You might win or you might lose. But now prophecy is being thrown in the mix, so we're reminded the good guys will win. You might argue that the premise of the story is for the main character to win, but I don't think it's necessary to remind the reader of that again and again through additional plot devices, such as prophecy.
_How much can you do? Just grab a ball and juggle.
All those balls in the air, How hard can it be?
So hard you're getting dizzy!
Keep those balls in the air, Keep those balls in the ai-air!
Balls in the air!_
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It's just inherited will, as we've read many times. That's all. Luffy will complete what this Joy Boy person failed to do in the Ancient Past.
Having the precise 800 year prophecy makes it sounds like destiny instead of just something that happened to work out.
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I'm just going to assume Roger was also called by fate to be a cog that turned the wheel another notch for the chosen one. Maybe it'll turn out that all meaningful characters before Luffy were cogs in the cosmic machine that was working toward this purpose. Like a giant coffe machine making a Luffyspresso of destiny
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Having the precise 800 year prophecy makes it sounds like destiny instead of just something that happened to work out.
I for one, would be really happy if this sort of event can happen every 200/300 years, makes it more chill and belivable, and realistic.
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Although Boy's band one was ugly, this one is quite nice
Even more now that i learn that the Mangaka drawing some of the ads is Eisaku Kubonouchi, the author of the extremely good title ChocolatThe Arashi one did give us a rare colour spread Jinbe though, and the Tokyo Girls Club one last year gave some colour spread space to characters who wouldn't normally get it (which I'd love to see Oda do just on his own more often), so they're not without their merit. But these ads for other things within in the main content of the series still rub me the wrong way just a little.
I had no idea the designer for the ads had his own manga though. Man, good on him. That helps this feel a little more like an artist collaboration than a pure cross-promotional effort. Still, I'm gonna be hoping for a more traditional colour spread when the next one comes up.
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It's just inherited will, as we've read many times. That's all. Luffy will complete what this Joy Boy person failed to do in the Ancient Past.
But this whole Joy Boy stuff should have been developed better by now, and Luffy's desire to learn about the Lost History should have been a bit more developed as well. My fear is that since this hasn't happened, it's because it's all too simplistic. Sometimes simple is good, but other times it's the result of lack of effort to develop the story better. This prophecy stuff is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think it was necessary. I didn't think it was necessary during the FI arc. I like the simple idea - inherited will and fighting for your dreams. You might win or you might lose. But now prophecy is being thrown in the mix, so we're reminded the good guys will win. You might argue that the premise of the story is for the main character to win, but I don't think it's necessary to remind the reader of that again and again through additional plot devices, such as prophecy.
Luffy shouldn't give a fuck about the world history until it's biting him in the face. Even now, the poneglyphs are just a means to the grand end and caring about the history is Robins dream. I think that's fine. I don't really like the prophecy idea, but accept it more as being about Shirahoshi than Luffy. But inherited will was apparent since the first chapter and I think has mostly been handled with care. The hat and prophecies are a bit troublesome, though.
I hope the hat was a model for the one Luffy has, a sort of Guy Fauxian symbol of freedom passed down through the ages. If that's the case, I really like how its use seems to have spread into Fashion island.
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But inherited will was apparent since the first chapter and I think has mostly been handled with care.
How?
This was just a random boy, who had mistakingly eaten a supposedly worthless DF and gathered a bunch of similiar minded fellows to form a pirate band.There was absolutely nothing special about him (apart from being acknowledged by Shanks, but even he was supposedly to be just an average pirate for a long time)
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How?
This was just a random boy, who had mistakingly eaten a supposedly worthless DF and gathered a bunch of similiar minded fellows to form a pirate band.There was absolutely nothing special about him (apart from being acknowledged by Shanks, but even he was supposedly to be just an average pirate for a long time)
What Shanks acknowledged in him was his courage and what he recognized was something he had seen in himself. (he said it, not me) Beckman remarks on how Luffy is going to make something of himself and Shanks agrees. I'm not saying that the idea was fleshed out like it is now or that there was reason to believe he would be a pirate savior or whatever, but Shanks giving him his hat and remarking on their similarity doesn't feel out of place. Shanks' giving of the hat and Roger's call to find his treasure are the moments the entirety of the series are built on, thematically.
As far as Shanks as an average pirate, I'd say we should assume the opposite. Shanks doesn't get to task Luffy with becoming a great pirate if he isn't one already, even if at that point we know chronologically that he wasn't an emperor yet.
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It's just inherited will, as we've read many times. That's all. Luffy will complete what this Joy Boy person failed to do in the Ancient Past.
But this whole Joy Boy stuff should have been developed better by now, and Luffy's desire to learn about the Lost History should have been a bit more developed as well. My fear is that since this hasn't happened, it's because it's all too simplistic. Sometimes simple is good, but other times it's the result of lack of effort to develop the story better. This prophecy stuff is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think it was necessary. I didn't think it was necessary during the FI arc. I like the simple idea - inherited will and fighting for your dreams. You might win or you might lose. But now prophecy is being thrown in the mix, so we're reminded the good guys will win. You might argue that the premise of the story is for the main character to win, but I don't think it's necessary to remind the reader of that again and again through additional plot devices, such as prophecy.
Since when luffy want to learn about the lost history ?
That is robin , Luffy just wants to find one piece what ever that might be and get to the last island . -
Neko-Inu's feud can be over some stupid argument that snowballed due to losing Oden
Didn't that already happen this chapter? when Inu told Neko to not egg Kaido/Orochi. I guess next he will blame him for it thus their feud will start.
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The elephant in the room is still why the scabbards didn't request help from Whitebeard or the Roger remnants earlier, even if Oden noted how no one (in Wano?) can currently defeat Kaido.
One third of the group was put in some kind of stasis, so I guess another third was in favor of waiting 20 years for their return (Inu, Raizo), while the rest would have preferred to gather whatever ally they have and take action (Neko, Ashura in the beginning)?I mean Whitebeard could have ended this shit at that point in time, no doubts about it. I think the youngest member of his fleet would have been 20 years old (Blackbeard), so no moral issues here either.
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While I'm still not fond of Oda's choice to have Oden dance for 5 years, I do think his death is one of the best of the series. Man that last hour was badass.
Also I hope the "prophechy" is more about being born at the time while carrying a certain will than outright reincarnation/chosen one stuff. I don' thinkt Luffy's wish for freedom would mix well with predeterminated destiny. -
And they had 5 years to search for Newgate, which only makes things much worse.
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And they had 5 years to search for Newgate, which only makes things much worse.
If Oden did not want help from Roger i doubt he would have ask WB for help .
That would have been up to the scabbards but they seem waiting for Oden to do something than do anything on there own after they get beat the first time.
Still with a traitor there it hard to say if there plan to ask for help would have been able to work out.TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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The elephant in the room is still why the scabbards didn't request help from Whitebeard or the Roger remnants earlier, even if Oden noted how no one (in Wano?) can currently defeat Kaido.
One third of the group was put in some kind of stasis, so I guess another third was in favor of waiting 20 years for their return (Inu, Raizo), while the rest would have preferred to gather whatever ally they have and take action (Neko, Ashura in the beginning)?I mean Whitebeard could have ended this shit at that point in time, no doubts about it. I think the youngest member of his fleet would have been 20 years old (Blackbeard), so no moral issues here either.
They were all patiently waiting for Kinemon, Momo, etc. to return. With Momo in particular, they've noted the importance of having him there to motivate everyone and have a Kozuki name back in charge. And Ashura definitely was intent on waiting the whole 20 years at first according to Ch. 950, he just got jaded after awhile.
Though really, the only Scabbards you can really potentially scrutinize like that is Inu and Neko. None of the others had set sail before, nor were they familiar with Roger or WB's crews either. Kawamatsu in particular had to protect Hiyori, prepared to amass weapons for the eventual war to come, and got captured the rest of the remaining 20 years. And then of course, 4 of them time traveled as you pointed out.
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If Oden did not want help from Roger i doubt he would have ask WB for help .
That would have been up to the scabbards but they seem waiting for Oden to do something than do anything on there own after they get beat the first time.
Still with a traitor there it hard to say if there plan to ask for help would have been able to work out.Did you miss that Roger… Ehmm.. died?
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TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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I mean, being a bit less prideful would've saved thousands of lives..
The guy danced naked to save lives every week for years
Pride is the last thing he cares about
He just wanted to do everything alone, he shouldered all the burden. Which is his biggest flaw.
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After promising that he'll let them go if they survive 1 hour, Kaido still killed Oden. That's a dick move, Kaido! I have no respect for you. I hope Luffy beat you to a pulp!
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The elephant in the room is still why the scabbards didn't request help from Whitebeard or the Roger remnants earlier, even if Oden noted how no one (in Wano?) can currently defeat Kaido.
One third of the group was put in some kind of stasis, so I guess another third was in favor of waiting 20 years for their return (Inu, Raizo), while the rest would have preferred to gather whatever ally they have and take action (Neko, Ashura in the beginning)?I mean Whitebeard could have ended this shit at that point in time, no doubts about it. I think the youngest member of his fleet would have been 20 years old (Blackbeard), so no moral issues here either.
Why didn't he ask help from roger pirates. rayleigh and scooper were still in their prime. You had the prate king crew without the captain.
WB got dumped for the next pirate that came along, why would he care.
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@uniaka:
WB got dumped for the next pirate that came along, why would he care.
Because he is a big squishy marshmellow man who has a bleeding heart for family and sad orphans. He wont because of convenient writing, but it wouldn't have been out of character for him to care about it
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Because he is a big squishy marshmellow man who has a bleeding heart for family and sad orphans. He wont because of convenient writing, but it wouldn't have been out of character for him to care about it
Oden did have some pride and didn't really ask for help. Even his scabbards only got under him because they wanted he didn't want them at first, he was solo guy.
And wb did have some crew policy, no girls, but he did have girls back 30 years ago. oden left his family so he is not family anymore. And oden the only one he saw as brother, not kid.
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We haven't found Scopper in 972 chapters, Oden could've taken something between 800 and 1200, the series would be over and Oden would still be looking for him.
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-Hey WB they boiled your family member and are about to stab his orphans.
Then you just see a Whitebeard shaped blur and then we cut to Kaido reading a paper on the toilet being informed that apparently Onigashima is being flipped upside down.
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The elephant in the room is still why the scabbards didn't request help from Whitebeard or the Roger remnants earlier, even if Oden noted how no one (in Wano?) can currently defeat Kaido.
One third of the group was put in some kind of stasis, so I guess another third was in favor of waiting 20 years for their return (Inu, Raizo), while the rest would have preferred to gather whatever ally they have and take action (Neko, Ashura in the beginning)?I mean Whitebeard could have ended this shit at that point in time, no doubts about it. I think the youngest member of his fleet would have been 20 years old (Blackbeard), so no moral issues here either.
Roger I get since they went in hiding. Whitebeard you have to choose your own bs reason.
I'm offering you Im going Oden being such a super nice guy that he didn't feel like risking his brother's life and the kids he saw grow up. It would be a similar reason to him not risking Wano citizens and the mob bosses. And since it was his dying wish they listened to Oden(only Neko & Inu have the contact number probably).
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Because he is a big squishy marshmellow man who has a bleeding heart for family and sad orphans. He wont because of convenient writing, but it wouldn't have been out of character for him to care about it
Oden felt too awkward calling him after he ghosted him to go back to Wano. Whitebeard probably went to his grave waiting for that call.
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-Hey WB they boiled your family member and are about to stab his orphans.
Then you just see a Whitebeard shaped blur and then we cut to Kaido reading a paper on the toilet being informed that apparently Onigashima is being flipped upside down.
WB did not even go after BB when he kill a famliy \crew member of his own .
I think the idea that WB would go after Kaido in a war for someone that dead and left he crew is not a 100% thing .
Plus Kaido is a former crew mate so who know what happen in there past like how BM said Kaido own her one. -
Maybe someone told WB the whole story including the 'we have to wait 20 years' part.
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I find it weird that so much time is spent justifying how Whitebeard could not/would not/should not have been able to resolve the situation, considering an ongoing subplot is former Whitebeard crewmate and Oden representative Nekomamushi attempting to recruit the Whitebeard pirates to take on Kaidou. I mean, it certainly doesn't seem to be something they have any qualms about now.
But then again, making things even weirder is the fact that Whitebeard crewmate and Golden Boy Ace actually visited Wano - and not just because he snuck in and out of a supposedly isolated hostile Emperor home base. Maybe he and Whitebeard just never talked about it?
Whitebeard: Wonder how that guy Oden is doing in Wano, having heard from him in 20 years, eh he's probably fine
Ace: Oh hey, I visited Wano once! Apparently the Kozuki clan was totally exterminated, and the whole country is a total hellscape ruled by Kadiou!
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@Daz:
I find it weird that so much time is spent justifying how Whitebeard could not/would not/should not have been able to resolve the situation, considering an ongoing subplot is former Whitebeard crewmate and Oden representative Nekomamushi attempting to recruit the Whitebeard pirates to take on Kaidou. I mean, it certainly doesn't seem to be something they have any qualms about now.
But then again, making things even weirder is the fact that Whitebeard crewmate and Golden Boy Ace actually visited Wano - and not just because he snuck in and out of a supposedly isolated hostile Emperor home base with Oars Jr in tow. Maybe he and Whitebeard just never talked about it?
Whitebeard: Wonder how that guy Oden is doing in Wano, having heard from him in 20 years, eh he's probably fine
Ace: Oh hey, I visited Wano once! Apparently the Kozuki clan was totally exterminated, and the whole country is a total hellscape ruled by Kadiou!
Sad trumpet playsOars Jr was with ace in Wano ?
Also what is WB suppose to do for Wano even if he find out something wrong in Wano 20 years later and it rule by a former crew mate .TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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Oars Jr was with ace in Wano ?
Also what is WB suppose to do for Wano even if he find out something wrong in Wano 20 years later and it rule by a former crew mate .I don't think so. Ace only made a new hat for Oars in Wano/or learned how to there. But we really don't know with whom did Ace spoke in Wano except for Tama and a few villagers who had no idea of the connection of Oden and Whitebeard. So you could say that the whole Oden tragedy was right in front of Ace's eyes, but there was no one to tell him.
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Oars Jr was with ace in Wano ?
Ah, I mixed up the Oars Jr flashback, my bad.
But my point is, Ace still went there, saw the shitty conditions, and vowed to help the country, which is something a crew as powerful as Whitebeads would be very much able to do- but its not apparently something that was ever considered.
@andy:Also what is WB suppose to do for Wano even if he find out something wrong in Wano 20 years later and it rule by a former crew mate .
…Help liberate it?
I mean, a character is currently in the middle of trying to enlist the remnants of the WB pirates to take down Kaidou, based expressly on their shared history as allies, whether its "20 years too late" or not. Why is it okay now, but not back when it could've actually helped? -
Oars Jr was with ace in Wano ?
Also what is WB suppose to do for Wano even if he find out something wrong in Wano 20 years later and it rule by a former crew mate .Don't think so. Ace gave him a hat he said he learned how to make on Wano.
As for what WB was supposed to do for Wano… Anything but nothing, maybe?
Granted, as far as we know, maybe he did do something in the mean time. But the fact remains that connections Oden made with the outside world amounted to big nothing when it mattered. And it's a little awkward.
Other than that, I imagine the time between Roger's death and formation of stability in NW under 4 emperors was a period of heavy fighting for Whitebeard and his crew.
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My pet theory is that Odens role in the story, or at the very least his (and Wanos) links to Roger and the ancient history were late additions by Oda, in order to streamline the series towards the endgame
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Whitebeard needs one of thoses memes where the format is like
Whitebeard: insert badass family before reason WB
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Also Whitebeard: insert wimpy excuse making WB
