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    JUMP FORCE (2019 Video Game)

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    • maxterdexter
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      Yeah, the physical animations are the low hanging fruit, the mouths are uncany, the eyes are terryfing, the hands are static (I can forgive those tho), on top of the whole weird unified art style, instead of accepting that these 10+ authors and series have very different styles and series and go with it.

      You can throw a lot of shit at Kingdom Hearts, but you can't say that it looks ugly, and that's what a massive multimedia crossover should look like. Or you know, that thing that Nintendo does very well.

      I'll give a try to the gameplay (when it drops in price) but it having "elements" for bonus damage, it was one of the most offputing parts of Jump Ultimate Stars, and the needless close up for combo or rush attacks keep me low on hope.

      Also, I get that Luffy, Naruto and Goku are the posterboys series, but what organization would put them to lead teams? The strawhats work because Luffy surrounded himself with capable people, Naruto needed a giant war, and like 10 years to be ready to lead, and Goku… <shudders>. Let them be the "aces" and keep Sabo, Kakashi and Picollo/Trunks as the leaders, or put Nami, Tsunade/Sakura and Bulma/Kai/Dende in the game as middle management at least, so they can jump in a pinch to playable.</shudders>

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        Picollo/Trunks as the leaders,

        Canonically speaking I don't know of any instance where either of these two were leaders.

        Originally Posted by Ubiq

        I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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          You are right. Vegeta was the one who took charge to end Buu. I was thinking when Picolo took over the training of Gotenks, that failed completely.

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            No Toriko, Hitman Reborn or Beelzebub! I'm not buying!!

            ….... okay technically I wasn't gonna buy it anyway I just wanted to vent my frustration

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              Watching the TFS play, they comment a thing, the fact that they constantly call it the "J-Force", the umbra cubes being "cosmic cubes" in the original, and the whole premise of "a peace keeping force". This is Jump trying to be Marvel.

              Also the fact that your avatar is a mary sue.

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                Just as Light walked around as Middle Management of the base, Soma, the Sket Dan or the Bakuman duo could have been there with their oddly proportioned avatars giving sidequests, or the gauntlet of Sports and Romance series of Jump could have handled some minigames.

                If this was a game for celebrating Jump, instead of a game for trying to steal Marvel's thunder.

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                  @maxterdexter:

                  The strawhats work because Luffy surrounded himself with capable people, Naruto needed a giant war, and like 10 years to be ready to lead, and Goku… <shudders>.</shudders>

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                  and Yugi who unless people agrees to the game he's kind of just a dude playing cards

                  What a nice way to put it… lol. Yugi is still half Pharao though...

                  Since my PC is way to old for this kind of stuff (plus it being expensive as hell) and the last anime/manga fighting game I played was DBZ Budokai 2 more than a decade ago on my PS2: are there games worth playing it which would run with Steam on win 7, phenom II x4 965, radeon r9 270x, 4gb RAM? All this fuzz about JF kind of cheered me up...

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                    Man, I would gladly pay 60 dollars for a Jump crossover game with a starting roster of EIGHT if only the game-play was addictive and deep. It matters so much to me. I hope one day that someone figures out a way to take Arena fighters to the next level. I feel like Tenkaichi got the ball rolling, then Ninja Storm took the baton in the right direction by eliminating split-screen, but there's yet to be another good advance in the sub-genre.

                    I CANT SLEEP NIGHTS WORRYIN ABOUT ARENA FIGHTERS

                    edit: I forgot Pokken. No split screen and a fusion of arena and 3D was a good idea, and might be the way to go.

                    ! tangent: one thing I'd like to see in 2D, 3D, and arena, would be the elimination of the life-bar (and energy-bar).
                    I believe that not knowing exactly when your fighter was going to give out, would add tension. You'd keep track of how they were doing, simply through observation - wounds, heavy breathing, sweating, etc - and as you fought and used bigger and bigger attacks, your fighter would slowly get weaker and slower.
                    The median/Mario/Ryu of your game would have to eat THREE strong attacks before they were defeated. The tank characters, 4 or 5, and the weaker ones, only 2.
                    There would be no energy bar as previously stated, so if you used a "ultimate attack" or something like that at the beginning of the fight, it would do full damage, but if you attempted it when you were barely standing, it would be a weakened version that came out especially slowly.
                    ending the tangent for now

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                      Man, I would gladly pay 60 dollars for a Jump crossover game with a starting roster of EIGHT if only the game-play was addictive and deep. It matters so much to me. I hope one day that someone figures out a way to take Arena fighters to the next level. I feel like Tenkaichi got the ball rolling, then Ninja Storm took the baton in the right direction by eliminating split-screen, but there's yet to be another good advance in the sub-genre.

                      I CANT SLEEP NIGHTS WORRYIN ABOUT ARENA FIGHTERS

                      edit: I forgot Pokken. No split screen and a fusion of arena and 3D was a good idea, and might be the way to go.

                      ! tangent: one thing I'd like to see in 2D, 3D, and arena, would be the elimination of the life-bar (and energy-bar).
                      I believe that not knowing exactly when your fighter was going to give out, would add tension. You'd keep track of how they were doing, simply through observation - wounds, heavy breathing, sweating, etc - and as you fought and used bigger and bigger attacks, your fighter would slowly get weaker and slower.
                      The median/Mario/Ryu of your game would have to eat THREE strong attacks before they were defeated. The tank characters, 4 or 5, and the weaker ones, only 2.
                      There would be no energy bar as previously stated, so if you used a "ultimate attack" or something like that at the beginning of the fight, it would do full damage, but if you attempted it when you were barely standing, it would be a weakened version that came out especially slowly.
                      ending the tangent for now

                      I feel exactly the same. Fighting games are among the ones that evolved less during time, and I can see why the mass lost interest in them compared to the old glory days of 2D fighting games (Iori in my nickname stands for Iori Yagami, and related to The King of Fighters I REALLY hoped for One Piece's Orochi not being a goofy character but someone as regal and deceptive as KoF's Orochi).
                      I agree even on the importance of Budokai Tenkaichi and Ultimate Ninja Storm as next step in the genre's mechanics (quite interesting it came from shonen games), but now we are anchored to the same pattern again and given the industry's status I don't see things changing in the near future.
                      I've played Jump Force's beta and even if I love graphics and like the real world setting, the gameplay feels already old and I feel I would get bored of it fast. I'd be curious to see new studios' approach to this genre, someone who has never worked on a fighting game and has to (or better, CAN) put in it something new and personal. Not being able to see health bar as you suggest is a minor twist, I get the idea of dinamicity and realism you'd like to get with all what you described but I think we need a bigger impact, a total new mechanic.

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                        Making the figthers weaker with how much life they have lost makes comebacks too difficult.

                        Hidding your win or defeat condition is a game design anti-pattern. Try it by yourself and see how much fun is randomly dying when you don't know every attack damage in the game, and then how it is reduced by partial dodges, parrys, shields or staleness. Or added to the previous weakening mechanic.

                        It is adding burden of knowledge to a game type that already has a ton of it, and the mechanical part.

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                        Also, in a fighting game your focus should be in your opponents animations to get ready to predict your movements, putting info in your own animations would mean that you have to parse what you and your opponents are doing. That's why the health bar gets so little changes once it was set up like this, it is your one other focus besides your opponent on screen, with the super bar either there as well or sparkling or making noise when useable so you can see it without focusing.

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                          @maxterdexter:

                          Making the figthers weaker with how much life they have lost makes comebacks too difficult.

                          Hidding your win or defeat condition is a game design anti-pattern. Try it by yourself and see how much fun is randomly dying when you don't know every attack damage in the game, and then how it is reduced by partial dodges, parrys, shields or staleness. Or added to the previous weakening mechanic.

                          It is adding burden of knowledge to a game type that already has a ton of it, and the mechanical part.

                          That's true theorically, but after playing God of War without bars I have to say it revealed to be fun and more exciting in some instances. That could be because I already knew values from first run, but it can work even for fighting games if it works for action, shooters and something else. Especially in VR I prefer not to see health bar and similar, but that's a different environment (and just to add to it, Skyrim does it great showing it only if you look down for it).

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                          Also, in a fighting game your focus should be in your opponents animations to get ready to predict your movements, putting info in your own animations would mean that you have to parse what you and your opponents are doing. That's why the health bar gets so little changes once it was set up like this, it is your one other focus besides your opponent on screen, with the super bar either there as well or sparkling or making noise when useable so you can see it without focusing.

                          This was an interesting experiment: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-05-01-eye-tracking-tech-shows-where-pro-street-fighter-players-look-during-a-match
                          It shows that a pro player never looks at bars, he gets those informations from his peripheral view as you say. So bars could be replaced by some other signs, maybe centered on characters to benefit more from their attention. Texture on the char could not be immediate to decipher in a 3D game with lot of things on screen such as Jump Force, but something like auras or shining could work well.

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                              First DLC have Trafalgar Law !

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                                All confirmed DLC characters.

                                • Madara Uchiha
                                • All Might
                                • Grimmjow
                                • Bakugo
                                • Buu
                                • Trafalgar Law
                                • Biscuit
                                • Histuguya
                                • Kaiba

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                                  Yeah, not going to complain about the game anymore. Nice to see Bisquit tho.

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                                    I hope it's Kid Buu but I'm expecting the fat one. 2 Bleach characters and no other Black Clover is surprising.

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                                      I won't lie, Grimmjow is the character I would want to play the most in that game.

                                      Still no Hiei and Kurama = not a chance I would even think of buying this.

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                                        I can kind of understand why they'd stick with characters from franchises that are already in the game, but the lack of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (especially since they have the Eyes of Heaven game to draw from) and Fist of the North Star (mainly Raoh) seems weird to me.

                                        Also, did we really need two Bleach characters? I get that Law's popular (even though I can think of at least half a dozen One Piece characters that I'd prefer), Madara's easy to include (he was in J Stars Victory Versus), and Buu rounds out DBZ's main villains (though hopefully it's Mr. Buu or Kid Buu rather than Super Buu), but given how quickly Bleach's popularity fell, giving it 2/9 of the DLC spots seems strange.

                                        One Piece: Grand Line Bout - a fighting game made by fans, for fans!

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                                          These are datamined files, not definite DLC. J-Stars had files for Dai, Jotaro, DIO and Yoh that went unused. It usually means DLC, but take any of them with a grain of salt.

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                                              Made my ridiculous Jump crossover wish list. Not for this game, mind you, but for a FighterZ-esque competitive fighter.

                                              ! Ace from One Piece
                                              Aizen from Bleach
                                              Akainu from One Piece
                                              All Might from My Hero Academia
                                              Allen Walker from D Gray Man
                                              Android 18/17 from Dragonball
                                              Aoshi from Rurouni Kenshin
                                              Arale from Dr. Slump
                                              Asta from Black Clover
                                              Bakugo from My Hero Academia
                                              Big Mom from One Piece
                                              Blackbeard from One Piece
                                              Bobobo from Bobobo
                                              Brook from One Piece
                                              Cell from Dragonball
                                              Chopper from One Piece
                                              Coco from Toriko
                                              Crocodile from One Piece
                                              Deku from My Hero Academia
                                              Dio from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Don Patch from Bobobo
                                              Dragon Shiryu from Saint Seiya
                                              Eve from Black Cat
                                              Franky from One Piece
                                              Freeza from Dragonball
                                              Gaara from Naruto
                                              Genkai from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Gintoki from Gin Tama
                                              Giovani from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Gohan from Dragonball
                                              Goku from Dragonball
                                              Goku, young from Dragonball
                                              Gon from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Gotenks from Dragonball
                                              Grimmjaw from Bleach
                                              Guy from Naruto
                                              Hancock from One Piece
                                              Hiei from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Hinata from Naruto
                                              Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Hitsugaya from Bleach
                                              Ichigo from Bleach
                                              Illumi from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Itachi from Naruto
                                              Jean Pierre from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Jinbe from One Piece
                                              Jolyne form Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Jonathan from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Joseph from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Josuke from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Jotaro from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
                                              Kaidou from One Piece
                                              Kagura from Gin Tama
                                              Kakashi from Naruto
                                              Kankichi from Kochira…
                                              Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin
                                              Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star
                                              Killer Bee from Naruto
                                              Killua from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Kinnikuman from Kinnikuman
                                              Koro-Sensei from Assassination Classroom
                                              Krillin from Dragonball
                                              Kurama from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Kurapika from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Kuwabara from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Law from One Piece
                                              Lenalee Lee from D Gray Man
                                              Luffy from One Piece
                                              Madara from Naruto
                                              Majin Buu from Dragonball
                                              Medaka from Medaka Box
                                              Meisuke from Hell Teacher Nube
                                              Mercenary Tao from Dragonball
                                              Meruem from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Momotaro from Sakigake!! Otokojuku
                                              Mr. 2 from One Piece
                                              Nami from One Piece
                                              Naruto from Naruto
                                              Naruto, young from Naruto
                                              Netero from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Orochimaru from Naruto
                                              Pegasus Seiya from Saint Seiya
                                              Piccolo from Dragonball
                                              Pitou from Hunter x Hunter
                                              Raoh from Fist of the North Star
                                              Renji from Bleach
                                              Rock Lee from Naruto
                                              Robin from One Piece
                                              Roshi from Dragonball
                                              Rukia from Bleach
                                              Ryo Saeba from City Hunter
                                              Saito from Rurouni Kenshin
                                              Sakura from Naruto
                                              Sanji from One Piece
                                              Sasuke from Naruto
                                              Sasuke, young from Naruto
                                              Shikamaru from Naruto
                                              Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin
                                              Sunny from Toriko
                                              Tatsumi Oga from Beelzebub
                                              Tien from Dragonball
                                              Toguro from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Toriko from Toriko
                                              Toru from Muhyo & Roji's...
                                              Train Heartnet from Black Cat
                                              Trunks from Dragonball
                                              Tsuna from Hitman Reborn
                                              Uraraka from My Hero Academia
                                              Usopp from One Piece
                                              Vegeta from Dragonball
                                              Yugi from YuGiOh
                                              Yusuke from Yu Yu Hackusho
                                              Zebra from Toriko
                                              Zoro from One Piece
                                              ! notes: Rock Lee needs to have his drunken fist moveset represented
                                              Android 17 and 18 are costume swaps for the same moveset.

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                                                Order by series, alphabetical order is meaningless.

                                                Shaman King is outside the realm of posibility bc they lost the copyrigths.

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                                                  Ditched the Shaman king characters, but I didn't touch the order, because I like the randomness.

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                                                    Kaiba from Yu☆Gi☆Oh! joins Jump Force.

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                                                      If there is any move that doesn't involve Blue Eyes White Dragon, then I say what is the point?

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                                                        Probably it will be an expansion on what was distilled from JUS: the virus card, blue eyes, and taking over Yugi's obelisk attack.

                                                        Yugi's moveset is mostly dark magician as a stand, with dark magician girl and slifer being it's specials, and some magic/trap cards in his "draw" attack, so kaiba will probably get the blue eyes dragon (small form, like during the millenium arc on the manga, as it was like horse sized there), the 3 headed version and Obelisk as specials, and some of his trap cards as a "draw" attack like yugi.

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                                                          All Might from My Hero Academia join Jump Force as DLC Character.




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                                                                Biscuit Krueger from Hunter x Hunter join Jump Force.

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                                                                  [https://www.siliconera.com/2019/06/17/jump-force-rages-on-with-first-screenshots-for-katsuki-bakugo-from-my-hero-academia/

                                                                  C](https://www.siliconera.com/2019/06/17/jump-force-rages-on-with-first-screenshots-for-katsuki-bakugo-from-my-hero-academia/)losed mouth Bakugou is the stuff of nightmares.

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                                                                    …I Stopped playing after the Aizen and Rukia spam it was way out of hand, has there been any patches and balances ?

                                                                    Right now I'm playing fighterZ wouldn't mind jumping back to Jump Force if it's a bit more balanced.

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                                                                      Uchiha Madara from Naruto joins Jump Force.




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                                                                        Nobody is talking about the Deluxe edition for Switch? Will they fix anything? Where to start….

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