Who do you think Im wants to have erased? Shirahoshi? Vivi? Blackbeard? Luffy? Someone else?
Whose light will be erased?
-
-
Vivi and shirahoshi, since they are already at mary geois.
With blackbeard it's hard since they have to start a war with yonkou on his own land, doesn't seem like something wg likes to do.
Luffy is also yonkou now and should be the same for him, and fujitora has the mission to take him.
-
My money's on Vivi.
The gorosei were calling her family a bunch of traitors just before they walked into the room, that leaves me the impression that even if Im wasn't saying her name they'd do something to sweep that roialty line under the rug.
Going after Shirahoshi would just be a repeat of what we've seen in fishman island and in Marie Geoise already.Luffy and Blackbeard are already top pirates, they're already wanted by the marines/WG.
Sure, if word was sent there could be a great push towards catching/killing them but it wouldn't be that much of a shake up. -
I'm betting Doflamingo.
The four photos could just be Oda distracting us from the obvious: Doflamingo knows the secret of Mary Geoise and needs to be erased from history. -
Im is going to show Sanji's old poster and they will erase Duval by mistake.
-
My money's on Vivi. The Gorousei immediately asked whether Imu had decided on their target upon meeting with him/her in the throne room, which says to me that this is not a spur of the moment decision, but one that Imu has been deliberating for some time, at least.
That in turn gives some context to the wanted posters and photographs: they were Imu's primary candidates for "erasure" and s/he was thumbing through the while weighing the options. Therefore, despite the violence implicit in slicing up the wanted posters of Luffy and Blackbeard and sticking a sword through the photo of Shirahoshi, the simple fact that the only thing Imu brought along when meeting with the Gorousei was the photograph of Vivi makes me pretty much certain that she is the "light" Imu has chosen to target.
Having said that, the reasoning for picking Vivi is unclear to me at present, especially since Cobra hasn't made his inquiries yet. I can understand setting aside Luffy and Blackbeard, as they're the ones the World Government can do the least about - even if they were picked, the most the WG could do (short of something on the level of pulling the Uranus out of storage) would be to increase the number of Marines actively hunting them, which doesn't really mean that much, especially since they'd have to punch deep into the New World and risk conflict with almost every other power in that region just to get close. With Whitebeard, they had the "luxury" of knowing he'd come to them. They can't guarantee that with Luffy and BB.
I can even understand Shirahoshi's place on the list, provided her identity as the reborn Poseidon has somehow been leaked or predicted. But considering Vivi a threat comparable to (much less greater than) any of those is strange to me…
Hopefully we'll get some of the details when the **** hits the fan.
-
It's not funny to kill someone that is already enjailed though
btw, Shirahoshi even being a candidate confirms that the Im knows that she is Poseidon. I mean, it confirms that someone in the WG knows that
-
A light was left on somewhere in Pangaea Castle and the electric bills were getting high, but no one could find it. Until Im walked into his closet and realized he left the light over his prized straw hat on. Now he's given the Gorosei a status update.
Spoiler:
-
It's obviously Luffy's. As Blackbeard is the darkness of the age.
-
@Kaido:
A light was left on somewhere in Pangaea Castle and the electric bills were getting high, but no one could find it. Until Im walked into his closet and realized he left the light over his prized straw hat on. Now he's given the Gorosei a status update.
Six Months Later
Imu: "…" (Translation: "So, I just realized I left the faucet running in the upstairs washroom...")
Gorousei A: Sigh "Tell us the name of the 'water' you wish to erase from history."
Gorousei B: Pulls out Pangaea Castle's utility bill and a bottle of white-out
-
Sogeking from Sniper Island
-
Surprise… the victim will be YOU, the reader!
-
Whoever that person is, we all know where it is going to be..
! the messiah of light is bout to arrive..
https://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/907/4 -
AsI said in the chapter thread:I have a thought. It's maybe me overthinking but, here goes. I remember back when Homing left Marijoa, he was given 500M by the Celestials. Then when he wanted to return, he called the celestials, and they declined his request. My question is, who exactly is "Celestials" in this context? They are a group of people, not a single entity. When the word celestials is used like this, who is it referring to? For example, we know Homing had extended family, was there NO ONE that would think of supporting him? Doesn't it feel like the celestials has sort of a hive mentality?
Now compare the situation of Otohime. She convinced a particular celestial to write a letter of recommendation. What if some other Celestial opposes this idea, what happens then? How is conflict between celestials resolved? If you look at the current situation with Roswalt, Charlos, and Mjosgard; I may be wrong, but looking at the response of Roswald and Charlos, it doesn't seem like a protocol exists that one follows in such an event. So, it probably doesn't happen that often, or maybe is the first time this has happened.
Considering how in sync the Gorosei are, and assuming there is sort of a hive mentality with the celestials, at least to the extent that they all seem to value similar things, in a very similar fashion, what if the light to be extinguished is Mjosgard, who threatens this hive mentality?
Logically extending this argument, one can necessitate the existence of Im, but I think most of you can see it at this point, and it would needlessly prolong this post.
-
I assume that Im is a very smart character. He'd let Luffy off for now, becuse his immediate goals are going to Wano and fight Kaidou, so it'd be dumb to eliminate him before that. As for Blackbeard, who knows what details are surrounding his story. It might be a big gamble to try taking him down just for how strong him and his crew are. As for Shirahoshi, there is the thing - the problem isn't her but the incoming pirate age with number of pirates growing out left and right. So I think that it'd make more sense to recruit her as Poseidon to use as weapon. I'd guess same would apply on Vivi, as princess of the island that houses Pluton.
-
I think she wants the d. And nefetari bloodlines to vanish
-
I am guessing Shirahoshi since she is an ancient weapon and nobody cares about fishmen . Vivi and Cobra are rulers of a HUGE country. If memory serves me right they can call upon an army of one million people. Of course numbers dont mean that much when they are so weak but combined with their good standing and many other kingdoms may turn on the WG. Add in the Revolutionaries and this could have very very bad consequences for the world
Well unless they make it look like an accident and just sink their ship but looking at all the drama about lights I doubt they would make it so subtle
-
I think she wants the d. And nefetari bloodlines to vanish
Is that one sentence or two.
-
I put the dot after d because it would be weird to say d Family
-
I put the dot after d because it would be weird to say d Family
I just think its wierd to say "I think she wants the D"
-
Oh. That's less saucy.
-
I went with somebody else because I couldn't decide right away, but Vivi's picture really is suspect. So it's probably going to be the traitor CDs.
-
Not really sure how killing Vivi by herself would accomplish anything. There's still a king, a country, a way to make it go on. She doesn't have a "my country automatically blows up if I die" devil fruit, as far as we know. So, not seeing it, myself.
-
Not really sure how killing Vivi by herself would accomplish anything. There's still a king, a country, a way to make it go on. She doesn't have a "my country automatically blows up if I die" devil fruit, as far as we know. So, not seeing it, myself.
It ends that bloodline. Cobra is too old to have another child. It is up to Vivi to continue the Nefertari bloodline and maintain the Royal family's promise to protect "something".
We know its Pluton, but its not widely known.
It was only after a long time did Crocodile suspect that it was in Arabastra and made a move to try to achieve it. BUT for him to suspect that means there is something that points to the idea of an ancient weapon being on that island. As such, the WG may suspect it as well but can't just go and claim it. But if Nefertari family, who refused to go to Mary Goeise, came to an end, the WG could get a puppet to rule the country and look for the ancient weapon.
-
It ends that bloodline. Cobra is too old to have another child. It is up to Vivi to continue the Nefertari bloodline and maintain the Royal family's promise to protect "something".
We know its Pluton, but its not widely known.
It was only after a long time did Crocodile suspect that it was in Arabastra and made a move to try to achieve it. BUT for him to suspect that means there is something that points to the idea of an ancient weapon being on that island. As such, the WG may suspect it as well but can't just go and claim it. But if Nefertari family, who refused to go to Mary Goeise, came to an end, the WG could get a puppet to rule the country and look for the ancient weapon.
I just assume there's some retainer/heir or other, more distant relative who'd take over or be appointed to, just like if the king had a low sperm count all along and there was no Vivi :ninja: If they have some agreement that lets the WG appoint one that's a pretty shoddy deal for Alabasta
-
Not really sure how killing Vivi by herself would accomplish anything. There's still a king, a country, a way to make it go on. She doesn't have a "my country automatically blows up if I die" devil fruit, as far as we know. So, not seeing it, myself.
It ends that bloodline. Cobra is too old to have another child. It is up to Vivi to continue the Nefertari bloodline and maintain the Royal family's promise to protect "something".
We know its Pluton, but its not widely known.
It was only after a long time did Crocodile suspect that it was in Arabastra and made a move to try to achieve it. BUT for him to suspect that means there is something that points to the idea of an ancient weapon being on that island. As such, the WG may suspect it as well but can't just go and claim it. But if Nefertari family, who refused to go to Mary Goeise, came to an end, the WG could get a puppet to rule the country and look for the ancient weapon.
I more or less agree with Katzztar, but I feel that there's an unknown element to the reasoning that we aren't privy to yet.
-
Likely there is a steward or alt.heir in case something happens to Vivi. Remember that she ran away when she was only 14 to try to find out who was behind the troubles brewing in her homeland. Not only did she ran away but was gone for 2 years. So likely an alternative was appointed. But If so, they could get assassinated along with Vivi, then the WG could say it fears that civil war could break out again (its only been two and half years since the civil war Crocodile instigated) so they move in with a proxy on the throne "in an attempt to keep the peace".
-
Monarchy is maintained in Alabasta only because the Nefertari have an history of being the best rulers ever. Back in the days they were the only one to remain in their country instead of joining the celestial dragons.
And during the civil war Cobra was totally ok with giving up the power and the capital as long as Crocodile is defeated and his rebellious citizen safe.
If they all die the citizen will probably accept Koza or Igaram as a replacement.With all that said, please don't kill Vivi Oda lol
 -
With all that said, please don't kill Vivi Oda lol
Mr. Popo: "She dead!"
More seriously, I've basically spent the days since ch. 908 released alternately going "Don't you do it! Don't you hurt my Vivi!" and "Pull the trigger, Oda! Put her back in play!".
Now, obviously, I highly doubt Oda would actually kill Vivi off, as most who've read the Alabasta arc would full on riot (myself included). If the WG makes a move on her, I expect she'll be alright in the long run. That said, Cobra's looking more iffy than I'd expected, what with all the "Traitor" and "Great Cleansing" talk, not to mention his intent to nose around the Poneglyph issue.
If Cobra is killed and Vivi forced to run (straight toward Wano :ninja:), I can see Igaram holding down the fort as Lord Regeant until her return.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
-
Mr. Popo: "She dead!"
More seriously, I've basically spent the days since ch. 908 released alternately going "Don't you do it! Don't you hurt my Vivi!" and "Pull the trigger, Oda! Put her back in play!".
Now, obviously, I highly doubt Oda would actually kill Vivi off, as most who've read the Alabasta arc would full on riot (myself included). If the WG makes a move on her, I expect she'll be alright in the long run. That said, Cobra's looking more iffy than I'd expected, what with all the "Traitor" and "Great Cleansing" talk, not to mention his intent to nose around the Poneglyph issue.
If Cobra is killed and Vivi forced to run (straight toward Wano :ninja:), I can see Igaram holding down the fort as Lord Regeant until her return.
I do find it interesting that Oda has shown Vivi has improved in skills when showing she was able to jump from the crows next to the deck and land without any issue.
Another interesting fact is that there are 2 commanders of the Strawhat Grand Fleet there, Sai & Leo. I can see why Sai would be there as Happo Navy is part of Kano Country's defense and Sai has not yet quit service to the king.
I had wondered why the Tontatta Corps would be there, esp. Leo's crew. Though with Mansherry there it seems there was a reason. But I have to wonder… is there another reason? -
just thinking - how about it all means to actually recruit someone rather than kill? Think about it - we haven't heard about this Im figure and nobody seems to know about him/her. What if, erasing someone's light means to hide that person in shadows, just like Im? Luffy and BB are to hard to control, princess Pluton is out of the question simply by being Pluton, so we are left with Vivi. Remember one thing - her blood is from the begining of everything, since to Void Century, even if they are traitors.
-
I don't think Vivi will die. I've always thought that at some point she'd rejoin the crew. Not sure if her being targeted will help this happen or not yet tho. I believe Vivi is being targeted solely for her past as a StrawHat and member of Baroque Works. Vivi will be how the WG shows dominance and takes a stand against the StrawHats. Vivi however I expect to live through whatever the WG has planned. I see targeting Vivi as more death flags for Cobra.
WG will target Vivi but kill Cobra. To show what happens when u don't join the Tenryuubito and align yourself with Pirates, while also pretty much declaring war against Luffy.
=D -
I do find it interesting that Oda has shown Vivi has improved in skills when showing she was able to jump from the crows next to the deck and land without any issue.
Another interesting fact is that there are 2 commanders of the Strawhat Grand Fleet there, Sai & Leo. I can see why Sai would be there as Happo Navy is part of Kano Country's defense and Sai has not yet quit service to the king.
I had wondered why the Tontatta Corps would be there, esp. Leo's crew. Though with Mansherry there it seems there was a reason. But I have to wonder… is there another reason?Leo et al. are present for the same reason Sai is: the Tontatta Corps are part of Dressrosa's security detail - at least, that's my understanding. As for Mansherry, it wasn't particularly established in the Dressrosa arc, but I think we may simply be over-analyzing her status as "Princess". I'm starting to believe that she's an official member of the Tontatta Corps (and thus the Grand Fleet) as well, albeit one that doesn't look/act the part quite as much.
In addition to Sai and Leo (plus their respective retinues - still hoping for the reveal that Baby 5 has been hiding in the weapons locker the entire time), we should also not forget that Sabo's in play as well. While he's not currently in the same part of the city, I have a hard time imagining that the Revolutionaries' declaration of war won't bring them into contact with the royals in Pangaea Castle at some point, so if he is/when he becomes aware of Vivi's connection to Luffy, I can see Sabo and his group providing her cover as well. That gives Vivi three decently powerful allies that could help cover her escape - one who's already a criminal and two who are just a formality away from going "full pirate", and thus able to act with impunity without pulling their host nations into the conflict.
There's also Bonney, but until we know more about her motives in all this, I'm just leaving her aside as a wild card.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
-
Vivi but cobra will die instead.
Guess they'll try to capture shirahoshi first. -
What's even more interesting is that Dragon was not among the choices. At the last Reverie, that's all anyone was talking about. Either Imu doesn't perceive him as a threat, even as a D, or actually wants his revolution to succeed as a means to eliminate other WG countries.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
-
@Fire Fist:
What's even more interesting is that Dragon was not among the choices. At the last Reverie, that's all anyone was talking about. Either Imu doesn't perceive him as a threat, even as a D, or actually wants his revolution to succeed as a means to eliminate other WG countries.
What im looking were posters of new generation tho. That's might be why we didn't see dragon there. Not to mention the RA has been quite down lately n this reverie is their first open movement against wg after a long time of secrecy.
-
Vivi may have a link with Im, could be relatives of some sort, hence why Im keeps her picture untouched.
I'm going for Shirahoshi. Even the celestial dragon from the Doflamingo family said he was going to protect her, so the plot is setting up for some big events to come.
-
Cobra is too old to have another child.
You do know how this whole procreation schtick works, don't you?
Seeing as your argument is based on the very fact that killing Vivi would definitely end their bloodline, I'd say your argument is based on a weak premise. No offense.
building Theme Parks with Blackjack and Hookers since 2002 - still forgetting the Blackjack.
-
I just wonder if Imu knows Shirahoshi is ancient weapon, reason he had her photo, or he is just like Charlos.
-
You do know how this whole procreation schtick works, don't you?
Seeing as your argument is based on the very fact that killing Vivi would definitely end their bloodline, I'd say your argument is based on a weak premise. No offense.
You do know there's the saying "I'm too old for this shit", right?
It's not "too old" in the biological sense to be procreate, but too old in the sense he doesn't have the time to raise another kid.
Go look at Cobra since time skip.
In the past 2 years, he had a extreme downturn in health. He's in a wheelchair and there's speculation that he's gonna die. Therefore, he's out of time to sire another kid aka "too old".If he was going to sire another kid, he would have done it during the 2 years that Vivi had ran away and he didn't know if she was alive or dead.
-
You do know how this whole procreation schtick works, don't you?
Seeing as your argument is based on the very fact that killing Vivi would definitely end their bloodline, I'd say your argument is based on a weak premise. No offense.
You do know there's the saying "I'm too old for this shit", right?
It's not "too old" in the biological sense to be procreate, but too old in the sense he doesn't have the time to raise another kid.
Go look at Cobra since time skip.
In the past 2 years, he had a extreme downturn in health. He's in a wheelchair and there's speculation that he's gonna die. Therefore, he's out of time to sire another kid aka "too old".If he was going to sire another kid, he would have done it during the 2 years that Vivi had ran away and he didn't know if she was alive or dead.
There's also the fact that he's a widower to consider. Vivi's mother passed away at some point in her childhood and Cobra never remarried.
Now obviously marriage between the parents isn't a "requirement" for having a child together, but we should remember that Cobra is royalty. There's no guarantee a "bastard" Nefertari would be recognized as his heir, particularly if he dies when they're still an infant, or even before they are born.
And that's setting aside the question of what kind of person both mother and child ultimately turn out to be - could easily turn into a "Whitebeard Jr." type of scenario, without properly "vetting" the mother-to-be beforehand.
-
no way blackbeard would be chosen by Im. It would be too convenient for luffy (our beloved protagonist)
-
Or im might just gonna erase them all. 1 gorosei tasked for 1 person. Haha
-
Or im might just gonna erase them all. 1 gorosei tasked for 1 person. Haha
that gorosei whom tasked with blackbeard must really hate his life
-
I bet we'll see whose light was erased in the past during a flashback, just so the audience knows the extent of this danger.
-
I bet we'll see whose light was erased in the past during a flashback, just so the audience knows the extent of this danger.
It could very possibly have been JoyBoy
-
I´m starting to get the vibe that this arc will definitely have some deaths. I don´t even know why, we´ve had "those are the targets"-situations before, but for some reason this time it feels more…serious.
That being said, no way is Vivi gonna die. Not in the series in general and DEFINITELY not before she meets the crew again. In my eyes - and I think many fans share this opinion - she´s a full-blown strawhat. no idea why she´s so special, tho. We´ve had people accompany the crew longer than her, I think, and we´ve got our fair share of arc-mates, but nobody felt as close to the crew as Vivi did. Either way, no way is Oda gonna kill her.
I´m afraid it will definitely be Kobra. I´m getting the Vibe that he might not be the sole casuality, tho…other possibilities are Fukaboshi, Mjosgard, Pell :ninja:
-
Nothing can kill Pell. Cobra is the only character I can see actually dying though. He has so many death flags he will prolly show up fine later anyway. Like they'll try to poison him but then Kureha saves him.
-
@lix:
I´m starting to get the vibe that this arc will definitely have some deaths. I don´t even know why, we´ve had "those are the targets"-situations before, but for some reason this time it feels more…serious.
That being said, no way is Vivi gonna die. Not in the series in general and DEFINITELY not before she meets the crew again. In my eyes - and I think many fans share this opinion - she´s a full-blown strawhat. no idea why she´s so special, tho. We´ve had people accompany the crew longer than her, I think, and we´ve got our fair share of arc-mates, but nobody felt as close to the crew as Vivi did. Either way, no way is Oda gonna kill her.
I´m afraid it will definitely be Kobra. I´m getting the Vibe that he might not be the sole casuality, tho…other possibilities are Fukaboshi, Mjosgard, Pell :ninja:
Who? And are you talking about 1) by reader's POV, meaning the ammt of time it took to tell the story arc, or2) by in-story timeline?
1)people form faves based more on personality and how the interact with others despite long they may be in the story. Its one reason sme people still like Ace despite his short ammt of appearances.
- Remember that the pre-timeskip journey was a few months (was ever settled or not if it said to be only 6?)
Vivi was with them since the beginning of the time on the Grandline, joining up on Whiskey Peak
She was in the following story arcs
1. Reverse Mountain arc (first appearance in ch 103)
2. Whiskey Peak arc (actually joining in the journey with them at end)
3. Little Garden arc
4. Drum Island arc
5. Alabasta arc (ends in ch. 217?)In comparison, Law was with them for only 3 arcs= Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou
Also the entire post-timesikp has only been weeks, hardly 1 month - Remember that the pre-timeskip journey was a few months (was ever settled or not if it said to be only 6?)
-
So I guess everybody agree that cobra could die in this arc. Nice.
But other than that, since it'll be a short arc, I doubt we'll get more than that.
I can see almost everything ended with cliffhangers. N we'll probably know the answer in some cover stories.
