Me, I can't wait to know Tama's Devil Fruit's name in this new starter pack.
Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary
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I hope they don't do to Tama the same thing they did with Kanjuro, his fruit wasn't revealed in his card for some reason.
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I did not know they revealed the Thousand Sunny's completion date. I always assumed Luffy started his adventure shortly after his 17 years old birthday so that would be around May in my mind.
Definitely reasonable to presume that, though I haven’t seen it made clear within the context of in-universe media that Luffy left on May 5, in contrast to the vivre card databooks giving dates for the snowmen and Sunny.
It was also suggested to me that the events between Chapter 107 (the day Zoro confronted 100 Baroque Works agents) and Chapter 334 (they day the Straw Hats found out Iceburg got shot) happened in about a month or less, since they both show the moon in what appears to be a waxing gibbous phase, implying that they found out Iceburg got shot on or around March 19, and that the Sunny was completed about a week later on March 25.
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Interesting. By the way, did you know the timeline thread?
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Definitely reasonable to presume that, though I haven’t seen it made clear within the context of in-universe media that Luffy left on May 5, in contrast to the vivre card databooks giving dates for the snowmen and Sunny.
It was also suggested to me that the events between Chapter 107 (the day Zoro confronted 100 Baroque Works agents) and Chapter 334 (they day the Straw Hats found out Iceburg got shot) happened in about a month or less, since they both show the moon in what appears to be a waxing gibbous phase, implying that they found out Iceburg got shot on or around March 19, and that the Sunny was completed about a week later on March 25.
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I spent enough time trying to sort out moon cycles in the timeline thread to conclude that they're not really something to rely on. At the very least, they can't be relied on in conjunction with the "canon" dates.
The time between the Whole Cake Island full moon and the Wano one is only about 16 days. Which is fine, this is a fantasy world, Oda can give it a different lunar cycle, but there's no way to really make that work with the dates and moons shown in canon. Plus in Skypiea we go from a half moon to a full moon on consecutive nights, so the moon's just going to do whatever it needs to do for drama and aesthetics.
There's also the hemespheric issue. Most maps depict the Grand Line running along the equator, which should been that the moon waxes and wanes vertically instead of horizontally. But maybe we can assume the Grand Line is broad enough that some or even most islands get horizontal phases, that would still mean that if the route zigzags enough, any phase seen could be waxing or waning and we'd never tell without staying in once place long enough to get several phases. Skypiea and Wano both seem to be in the northern hemisphere, by this logic. Oda is probably just drawing the moon the way he sees it in Japan everywhere.
The conclusion I reached last time I tried to work this out was that I'm thinking about it more than Oda does, and I doubt that's changed.
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I feel like trying to make sense of the timeline based off supplemental dates and moon phases is a headache waiting to happen. Should wait for Enel to come back to explain everything.
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Also re: Luffy's departure date, I don't think it's ever been explicitly stated that Luffy left on his birthday, even though a lot of people believe he did. We knew he wouldn't leave until after he was 17, but from the dates we do have, it makes more sense if he left in January, maybe at the start of a new year. Hard to say why a guy like Luffy would wait that long. Maybe something came up with the bandits and the locals. Or maybe it just took that long to find someone willing to sacrifice a boat to his cause.
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I feel like trying to make sense of the timeline based off supplemental dates and moon phases is a headache waiting to happen. Should wait for Enel to come back to explain everything.
I definitely agree with you (it doesn't make sense for a fantasy world to even be using the same calendar as the real world in the first place) but I still enjoy puzzling it out and seeing how much of it can be made to fit.
The dates work. There's no stated travel time that makes things not fit between the concrete February and March dates in the Grand Line.
The moons barely work, if you ignore the Skypiea thing, but they absolutely do not line up with the dates. You basically have to choose one or the other. Or neither.
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Also re: Luffy's departure date, I don't think it's ever been explicitly stated that Luffy left on his birthday, even though a lot of people believe he did. We knew he wouldn't leave until after he was 17, but from the dates we do have, it makes more sense if he left in January, maybe at the start of a new year. Hard to say why a guy like Luffy would wait that long. Maybe something came up with the bandits and the locals. Or maybe it just took that long to find someone willing to sacrifice a boat to his cause.
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I definitely agree with you (it doesn't make sense for a fantasy world to even be using the same calendar as the real world in the first place) but I still enjoy puzzling it out and seeing how much of it can be made to fit.
The dates work. There's no stated travel time that makes things not fit between the concrete February and March dates in the Grand Line.
The moons barely work, if you ignore the Skypiea thing, but they absolutely do not line up with the dates. You basically have to choose one or the other. Or neither.
Oda also mentioned in an artbook that Strong World was Luffy’s last adventure as a 17 year old. Because of Brook being present and Luffy not having the X on his chest yet, it could lend to the idea that Luffy was 17 in Thriller Bark and was 18 in Marineford, implying that the Battle of Marineford happened not too long after May 5. The events of Strong World didn’t happen in the manga, of course, but I suppose that could still say something about the general direction in regards to the progression of time in the series, however vague it is in the first place.
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Iirc, Oda said that because we didn't know about the timeskip yet.
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Is that…Rockstar? WTF.
Guess we know who the 6th shadow is going to be to show up and defeat Kaido.
Might as well put this in the Oda foreshadowing thread now.
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Anyways, various things I’ve learned from the cards that stood out to me:
Lucky Roo was the one who stole the Gomu Gomu no Mi from the enemy ship.
Garp was originally meant to talk to Usopp about Yasopp, but the scene was cut due to page limitations.
Luffy didn’t become interested in Pirates specifically because of Shanks, because he was already interested in them beforehand.
The Revolutionary Army is possibly interested in learning about the Void Century in light of their association with Robin.
Mihawk was famous before Roger got executed, and is anticipating an opponent to surpass Shanks.
Kuma was specifically the reason Bonney infiltrated Mariejois.
The reason Kid became a pirate was to be the most violent as an act of rebellion towards all scum ruling the world.
Dragon’s main goal is peace, even resorting to war so as to accomplish that.
The place Bellemere found Nami and Nojiko at was a kingdom.
Oda originally had the idea to make Jinbe an antagonist who pulled the strings behind Arlong.
Blackbeard’s childhood was described as lonely and painful.
The reason Morgans wrote that Luffy was a mastermind was because Stussy told him that, believing his idiocy to be a false front.
Monet is Sugar’s older sister.
Enel anticipates to make his next move after having acquired an army on the moon.
The reason Viola refers to Doflamingo as “Doffy” is because of a complex love and hate relationship she had with him.
The blueprints for Pluton were passed down specifically as a counter if another ancient weapon was revived.
One idea in Cavendish’s creation was to make him Ace’s rival.
Bartolomeo was originally designed as a Longarm.
Lucci was originally just a carpenter and not an undercover agent, which came later.
Laskey, one of the men seen alongside Spandine at Ohara, is Kalifa’s father.
Kumadori’s mother is actually alive, and is also an elderly assassin.
Spandine actually didn’t care for nor was able to comprehend the details of the Void Century, implying that he shot Clover out of fear.
Pedro’s 382 million bounty was actually his first bounty, having received it when he was 17.
Mokomo Dukedom existed on Zunesha before it was sentenced for its crime.
Weevil swore revenge to defeat Blackbeard after hearing about Whitebeard’s death, though Bakkin has no interest in Blackbeard himself.
Helping Luffy escape was specifically the reason Kuma was enslaved.
Hack was originally meant to be a bounty hunter instead of a revolutionary soldier.
Haredas was born in the now-destroyed sky island of Birka, the same island Enel was born in.
Pudding was originally meant to look more evil, and possibly be genuinely evil, as opposed to having a split personality.
There was going to be a fifth Vinsmoke brother named Goji.
Despite being engineered as emotionless, Reiju has managed to develop emotions specifically because Sora spent an extensive amount of time raising her into a proper human being.
Morgans is actually a regular human who gives the impression he was born as a bird because he chooses to remain in his devil fruit bird form at all times.
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@Zik:
Guess we know who the 6th shadow is going to be to show up and defeat Kaido.
Might as well put this in the Oda foreshadowing thread now.
My thought goes to the moment in which Oda will reveal that the real name of Rockstar is Rocks D. Tar :ninja:
Anyway, we all know that Rocks D. Xebec will be revealed to be Blackbeard's father.
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@Mike:
My thought goes to the moment in which Oda will reveal that the real name of Rockstar is Rocks D. Tar :ninja:
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The blueprints for Pluton were passed down specifically as a counter if another ancient weapon was revived.
That part is also explicitly in the manga
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Anyways, various things I’ve learned from the cards that stood out to me:
Some minor cool stuff:
Sengoku has CoC.
Momomga is the G1 base commander.
Ivankov is the grand line RA commarder.
Foxy was a profissional boxer in his youth.
Doflamingo started "always" smiling after killing his father.
Katakuri's quite different initial concept.
Baroque Works agents real names and epithets.
Moria lost to Kaido in Wano.
Ryuma's surname is Shimotsuki.
Sanjuan Wolf's size is due to a devil fruit.
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Doflamingo started "always" smiling after killing his father.
Yeah, he definitely fits that “I’m tired of worrying, so I’m just going to laugh.” vibe, in that Doffy decided that he would always try to laugh no matter how dire the situation got.
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Raizo is not in this set? He was not in the zou set is there another set after this?
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Raizo is a good ninja he is all the sets. Hidden in the shadows.
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Well, obviously there are going to be more Wano sets.
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The Binder !
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Someone else already said it, but yeah, I'm also disappointed that they changed the style of the binders from the lineups of different characters from the first two to this more generic one made up of pre-existing artworks.
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Someone else already said it, but yeah, I'm also disappointed that they changed the style of the binders from the lineups of different characters from the first two to this more generic one made up of pre-existing artworks.
Isn't that just the original binder, with a generic Luffy in front of a collage of random characters?
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Isn't that just the original binder, with a generic Luffy in front of a collage of random characters?
I know they did other promo ones that bucked the style in the past, but the ones that came with the last two starter sets were consistent.
I've got no idea why they named that one a "original binder" when it came out a decent bit after the actual original set with the characters lined up.
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One of the most standout pieces of info to me was it being mentioned that Nami was found at a kingdom, which I think is made more interesting in light of how Nami made the comparison of how she and Shirahoshi have similar backgrounds.
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One of the most standout pieces of info to me was it being mentioned that Nami was found at a kingdom, which I think is made more interesting in light of how Nami made the comparison of how she and Shorashoshi have similar backgrounds.
I don't think Nami knows anything about where she was born.
Their similar backgrounds come from being locked up during their childhoods.
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I don't think Nami knows anything about where she was born.
Their similar backgrounds come from being locked up during their childhoods.
I know, but I was just curious if that was Oda’s way of foreshadowing towards something else in the future.
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Are we just gonna do the whole 'they were secretly royalty all along' with the entire crew or what.
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Are we just gonna do the whole 'they were secretly royalty all along' with the entire crew or what.
Not for Franky. His dad is probably Ben Beckman.
Zoro's related to somebody on Wano
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Are we just gonna do the whole 'they were secretly royalty all along' with the entire crew or what.
Usopp is clearly the hidden King of the World.
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Are we just gonna do the whole 'they were secretly royalty all along' with the entire crew or what.
If anything, all I think I’d think I’d be concerned about is that the Straw Hats are interesting characters, whether he goes about with their backgrounds in a simple or complex manner.
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Only one week left before the coming of the new starter set.
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Are we just gonna do the whole 'they were secretly royalty all along' with the entire crew or what.
Watch Usopp be the literal prince of sniper kingdom.
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Yeah, Sniper island definitely exists.
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The release date of the new Vivre Card Starter set has been delayed for one day , it will be released on 1st MAY 2021 instead of 30th April 2021 due to problems in transportations to the stores .
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Covers ! Release on May 01 !
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Future Booster Packs will include Akazaya Nine and Beast Pirates cards !
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Wait, so the Red Scabbards are not going to be featured in this booster?
Even though Kikunojo is there?
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Wait, so the Red Scabbards are not going to be featured in this booster?
Even though Kikunojo is there?
seems like it, but some scabbards already got a card, but tbh I think they will get another with updated information, with 15 characters it could go like this Kinemon, Kanjuro, Raizo, Izo, Neko, Inu, Denjiro, Kawamatsu, Ashura douji, Oden, Toki, Hitetsu, Hiyori, Momo, Shinobu.
For beast pirates: Kaido, King, Queen, Orochi, Holdem, Who's who, ulti, page one, sasaki, black maria, yamato, wano big mom, drake, apoo and hawkins.
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I don't think they'd make updated card for characters that were in other packs, at least not in the main Wano sets.
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I don't think they'd make updated card for characters that were in other packs, at least not in the main Wano sets.
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Kinda upset they wasted more than half pack with Straw Hats again. I was hoping some more card
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I don't think they'd make updated card for characters that were in other packs, at least not in the main Wano sets.
Kanjuro's card does not mention he was a kurozumi and not even mentioned his df, kinemon does not even detailed his past and with a confirmed boostwr pack for the akazaya 9 i am sureit wil include all 9 plus izo and hyo and oden
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Yeah, I'm expecting repeat Scabbards all the way down. Redoing all the Strawhats has set the tone. There probably aren't going to be a lot of new characters beyond where the manga's currently up to for a while, so they're really going to have to make the Wano packs last.
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Have these all been the named characters introduced since Chapter 977 (aside from Yamato, whom was only mentioned in Chapter 979).
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Have these all been the named characters introduced since Chapter 977 (aside from Yamato, whom was only mentioned in Chapter 979).
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There is Hera who just debuted last chapter, but otherwise yes
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@Kaido:
There is Hera who just debuted last chapter, but otherwise yes
People are saying Oda keeps introducing too many characters, but really though, aside from Hera, he really hasn’t introduced anymore particularly relevant to the story since Chapter 983, in June of 2020, when Yamato was fully introduced. Any non-relevant characters from since then are ones he’s just having pure fun with.
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Yeah, I have a massive excel sheet tracking every character appearance in every chapter of the series. It's tough to keep updated in an ongoing arc because unnamed characters appear; Once they're named, I have to go back and edit. Like, when Fauxden showed up, I didn't mark it as an Oden appearance because we weren't sure it was Oden. I still don't know whether to mark down Toki or Hiyori for chapter 1004.
Pretty sure that's everyone introduced.
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Pics from Starter Set Vol.1 which will release tomorrow in Japan !
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Tama has devil fruit "Kibi Kibi No Mi".
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