Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary

pariston_hill

it's feels weird to me when people say one piece's depiction of trans people is dangerours or harmful because it's what made me open to the entire idea back when i was 13

When the majority of them are represente by ugly cross-dressed man with exaggerate masculine facial features and some with a gap of being pervs (like the ones that took Sanji to Sabody) yes, the representation is not quite right.
Bon-chan and Iva-chan are the ones that Oda has done that somehow mostly avoid fitting in the above.

D Restlin

@JulieYBM:

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Nobody is born their gender, they're arbitrarily assigned one at birth by human beings who made up a classification system to group a few traits under.

Its a fact on your own little buble, call ot twitter, your local echo chamber or whatever. Dont force your twisted narrative on others.

Moriah

Go over the pictures posted of the packs I noticed that Yamato's Devil Fruit section is listed as "???", even thought I could have sworn her DF was named in the chapter that revealed it. It also interesting that the name of King's race (Lunarian) makes it onto his card, despite being revealed last chapter, but Yamato's DF section doesn't give a name to it, despite that chapter being released way before the name of the pack containing her card was revealed.

Zik

@JulieYBM:

'Biological Sex' as a classification system is
. Sex is made up of more than just 'penis' or 'vagina'. It accounts for gonads, hormones, secondary sex characteristics and genitals. When babies are born their genders are assigned merely based on what the doctor thinks their genitals look like. The video I linked to goes into better detail on the subject (and also lists a bevy of scientific sources) so I'll refrain from just copying everything they say there. I just want to point out that the idea of people being 'born' one way or the other is just…not even full measured? Sex is fake.

(As an aside, I just take big issue with being called a 'biological male' just because I was born with a cock I don't even want. Fuck that shit, I'm a biological female.)

I thought sex was classified based on your chromosomes. You know xy, xx. Not just gentials.

Also just cuz something is very old doesn't mean its wrong.

andre

@Cockycent:

So many interesting things. The Onimaru 1, I love. Need more on Sasaki and Jack. Kaido and King were going to MF?????

Yeah. We've known that about Kaido for over a decade, but it's news that King was with him.

D Restlin

@Zik:

I thought sex was classified based on your chromosomes. You know xy, xx. Not just gentials.

Also just cuz something is very old doesn't mean its wrong.

The person you are talking cant even understand the term biological male/female. You are loosing your time

Lord Gaimon

@pariston_hill:

When the majority of them are represente by ugly cross-dressed man with exaggerate masculine facial features and some with a gap of being pervs (like the ones that took Sanji to Sabody) yes, the representation is not quite right.
Bon-chan and Iva-chan are the ones that Oda has done that somehow mostly avoid fitting in the above.

yes i know, i have read one piece. i'm not saying that trans people shouldn't be offended or that one piece's depiction is perfect. what i am saying is that there's a dissonance between what i read online and my experience where the repreentation in the manga (the okama included) made me more accepting of trans people. that's why the complaints feel weird to me personally. i'm not saying anyone should change their opinion on the matter.

rayleigh92

@Robby:

And generally fans (and those that buy the sexy statues) are going to think of Yamato as her because that's how he looks, and it puts them at ease to know the parts are female, so they don't need to feel weird about thinking he looks nice when they get the merch or buy doujins or whatever..

I know this is a commercial-driven reasoning, but it actually screams "patriarchy" all over the place. (Not criticizing you, but the actual staff I too believe thought of it this way.)

Also keep in mind that vivre cards aren't perfect and have made multiple mistakes before, and that some characters get more than one card when something about their situation changes. Should Yamato become a strawhat, he'll certainly need another card later, and that one might roll a bit differently.

We're surely gonna get a second card just cause this one actually cover only half of the infos about Yamato, Fruit included, Straw Hat Pirates or not.

pariston_hill

@Zik:

I thought sex was classified based on your chromosomes. You know xy, xx. Not just gentials.

Also just cuz something is very old doesn't mean its wrong.

Genetic is not quite that simplistic in irl.

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Medical Orbit

@Moriah:

Scratchmen Apoo

Devil Fruit: Oto Oto no Mi

notices ur devil fruit owo owo no mi whats this

Robby

@Zik:

I thought sex was classified based on your chromosomes. You know xy, xx. Not just gentials..

Nope! That's the very most basic, (outdated) version taught in school, but you can end up with all sorts of variations. Xxy is not uncommon, and you can end up having the opposite set despite what your parts look like. Then there's women that get too much testosterone and grow beards, and men who grow breasts, and those that develop other characteristics later in life and …

There's probably actually closer to something like 5-15 genders, but its subtle. And then hormones make that a million times more complicated. Plus brain chemistry and..

Stuff is way more complicated than that.

And if you go out into the animal kingdom it gets REALLY crazy. W and Z chromosomes and critters that just flip their sex on whim if there's no mates available and...

Its not like doctors test for chromosomes at birth either, they just take a look at the parts and go "it's a ____!"

JulieYBM

@Zik:

I thought sex was classified based on your chromosomes. You know xy, xx. Not just gentials.

Also just cuz something is very old doesn't mean its wrong.

It's wrong because it's old data that's out of date and existed only to continue the hierarchy of gender in our society.

Like, not everyone fits neatly into one or two groups even on a chromosome level. Again, reiterating that we don't test babies for chromosomes or gametes when they're born, one's chromosomes don't necessarily reflect how one looks. Cis people don't always have the chromosomes they're expected to have. Intersex people exist. People who take hormones and get surgeries exist.

The things that 'biological sex' observes exist but the classification and the use of that classification are all fake and made up for a narrative and purpose separate from how people actually exist.

Robby

@D:

The person you are talking cant even understand the term biological male/female. You are loosing your time

Ma'am, I'm going to have to ask you to not be rude.

Cockycent

@andre:

Yeah. We've known that about Kaido for over a decade, but it's news that King was with him.

Many MF war details have been revealed through the years. I never agreed with the fandom assumption that Bonney had to be pissed over WB or Ace. I also didn't think every BP came along. To hear that Kaido and King were possibly the only ones of the top 4 BP to go is wild.

otakufan

@Moriah:

Go over the pictures posted of the packs I noticed that Yamato's Devil Fruit section is listed as "???", even thought I could have sworn her DF was named in the chapter that revealed it. It also interesting that the name of King's race (Lunarian) makes it onto his card, despite being revealed last chapter, but Yamato's DF section doesn't give a name to it, despite that chapter being released way before the name of the pack containing her card was revealed.

Just a guess, and do forgive me for jumping immediately into Yams4Nakama, but it's probably because Yamato is more likely to get an updated card later on than King is.

The fact that King isn't a bog-standard human has been clear from his introduction back in Act II (I think), so they've know they'd have to address it for quite some time, and that, in all likelihood, this would be the only card for them to do so on, so I'd expect them to have prepared that reveal in advance. Furthermore, any info regarding the Lunarians on King's card could be revealed in simple text, without the need for accompanying artwork beyond just panels of King himself.

By contrast, Yamato only revealed that he had a Devil Fruit at all during his brief skirmish with Sasaki & Co., which was much more recent, and we only got the full reveal a couple of chapters ago. Even if they knew the fruit's name and powerset in advance, as I'm sure they did, there wasn't any artwork for his hybrid form until the past couple of chapters - they wouldn't have been able to do much more than give the name, some relevant text, and maybe a concept sketch or two. So, if they had reason to think Yams might get a second card in the future (likely due to joining the Strawhats), they might have been inclined to save his DF until they had art to go along with it.

Piitan

Which begs the question: were Kaido and King flying to MF? If so, how did Shanks intercept them? And if they went by ship: why waste so much time when you can fly instead?

JulieYBM

@Lord:

yes i know, i have read one piece. i'm not saying that trans people shouldn't be offended or that one piece's depiction is perfect. what i am saying is that there's a dissonance between what i read online and my experience where the repreentation in the manga (the okama included) made me more accepting of trans people. that's why the complaints feel weird to me personally. i'm not saying anyone should change their opinion on the matter.

If I might speak personally, those characters really trigger my gender and body dysphoria. They don't look or feel anything like what I've gone through in my entire life and don't feel anything like what I can identify with. The fact that they really do just look like a cis person's stereotypical take on what a trans woman is really rubs me the wrong way, too. Portrayals like that are what kept me back in the closet and also prevented me from really understanding what I was going through.

Ironically, it was cis characters like Rem, Asuna and Hinata that started cracking my egg because those characters feel like me. I could point to them and say "That's me!" whereas the okama from One Piece just felt like a shallow performance of transness. That Impel Down guard being force feminized was the closest thing to "Okay, that's a bit closer" that One Piece has come and even then it's playing on a kink (albeit one I share).

Trans people write and draw the best trans stories. I was super lucky to eventually come across some great trans writers, especially early on in my transition and into the present.

Cockycent

Kaido crew - beast theme
BM crew - food and greed theme
Teach crew - deceiving - invisibility, logia that can't make your body fluid like, stolen quake quake, Kitsune disguises
Shanks - rare - Zeus-tact like abominations, weapons w/ DF, disciplines, the way they use Haki, seastone, etc

Whether by land or sea, I think someone in Shanks crew could deal with Kaido and who ever he came with. They seem like they have experienced a lot of differing issues that Luffy's crew is suppose to as well. This is why I don't believe CoC to be the end all be all.

D Restlin

@Robby:

Ma'am, I'm going to have to ask you to not be rude.

Noted.

Point is, i can accept the modern western definition of gender as social construct, even though i dont agree with it. It is based in modern social sciences, that in part reflects modern trends.

But in no way i can accept it in the broader hard sciences part. Ss you said in another post x and y chromosomes can come in various variations, but they are regarded in general geneitic defects, that are often results on various problems like inability to have children. Also they are pretty rare.

Tldr nobody have a problem with someone that feels that he is the other sex. I dont care if an individual dress like a male, a female or a damn pirate. The annoying thing, that in the end of the day hurts the same cause that ( western ) sjw pursue, is the blatant try yo force an agenta, a view if you prefer to others. And as long the yamato thing is vague in the manga ( no definitive evidence tha he feels a man and not just oden ) then people that troes to force the gender game in others comes of as teally annoying, to say the least.

firelord111

@D:

Noted.

Point is, i can accept the modern western definition of gender as social construct, even though i dont agree with it. It is based in modern social sciences, that in part reflects modern trends.

But in no way i can accept it in the broader hard sciences part. Ss you said in another post x and y chromosomes can come in various variations, but they are regarded in general geneitic defects, that are often results on various problems like inability to have children. Also they are pretty rare.

Tldr nobody have a problem with someone that feels that he is the other sex. I dont care if an individual dress like a male, a female or a damn pirate. The annoying thing, that in the end of the day hurts the same cause that ( western ) sjw pursue, is the blatant try yo force an agenta, a view if you prefer to others. And as long the yamato thing is vague in the manga ( no definitive evidence tha he feels a man and not just oden ) then people that troes to force the gender game in others comes of as teally annoying, to say the least.

what agenda are the "sjw" pushing calling yamato a man what do you think is the end goal to make people say they are gay ? it is honestly not that hard to not be on defense the whole time and demonize the other side in your mind you might think there are alot of people that are saying this but just look at twitter right now and number of people that are having a party about the viver card reveal outnumbers "sjws" by a ton.

emi_b7

There's no EX cards in these packs? I haven't seen anything regarding that.

JulieYBM

Trans people have existed forever but please, keep calling us a new fad.

pariston_hill

@firelord111:

what agenda are the "sjw" pushing calling yamato a man what do you think is the end goal to make people say they are gay ?

Yamato figurines will turn otakus gays, that was a long con between Miyazaki and Oda to end anime.

rayleigh92

@D:

no definitive evidence tha he feels a man and not just oden

Yamato actually only referred to himself as a "male" but the first time he explained the whole gimnic to Luffy. You seek for "evidence", when there's actually a one-side thing from Yamato the whole time. The real issue only came from 1. the introduction box referring as "daughter"; 2. the whole merchandising; 3. now the Vivre Card.

We did not get any "female reference" from any character up to chapter 1020, the last time we saw Yamato. Yamato refers to himself as "son of Kaido"; Kaido calls "my son"; Sasaki and other underlings refers as "Little lord"; Luffy calls him "Yama-guy". The only character that called Yamato as a "her" is that Ace's crewmate which was shocked about Yamato being "the daughter of Kaido" with Yamato actually evil staring him after that (and not for the "Kaido's child" thing, as Yamato indeed revealed it the page before).

I mean, I get there's confusion cause merchandising choices, but the actual inside-manga has been one-sided since ever.

StrawHatJedi

I just don't agree Yamato is intended at all to make a statement on gender. She's just a woman playing the role of a man. I'm not trying to make any broader statement and I really think it's beyond the scope of anything Oda's going for here. I just don't think it's any deeper than that. There's no master plan to boil the frog slowly by the marketing team. They're grouping Yamato with female characters because there just isn't any intention to do otherwise.

It just never struck me as being a big deal. It really hasn't factored into how I even perceive Yamato. The only reason I even address it is because it seems to carry implications to refer to Yamato in a certain way among portions of the fanbase. I feel like this aspect of Yamato's character has largely been disproportionately evaluated by the fanbase beyond anything directly evidenced in the text. And I don't ascribe that to any malicious intent.

LightningAce

@LawSamuka:

It could be.
He bought the Numbers (failure clones) made by MADS, recruited one of them (Queen) and made this scientist create a better clone/son.

Except Yamato has horns exactly like Black Maria does, which would then indicate Yamato's mother is had those kinda horns, where as Kaido's horns appear to be more like that of Oars.

@ScotchInformer:

The Bounties !

King is 1.39 billion
WsW is 546 million
Sasaki is 472 million
BM is 480 Million
Ulti is 400 Million
Page One is 290 Million

I was honestly expecting King's bounty to be around 1.5

Woah. So Franky and Robin should be expecting significant bounty boosts after their victories. Considering just how important Robin is as being the only living person capable of reading Poneglyphs, makes her insanely dangerous to the WG, and now she's beaten a pirate with such a large bounty, i expect at least 500 Million for her after Wano.

@uniaka:

I will have to call bullshit on King having bigger bounty then Marco. Must be 100% becauae he is lunaria Race.

It is very clear that Jack, Queen and King have such high bounties because of their violent and sadistic behaviour. Jack is a unhinged lunatic and was returned to Zou to committ genocide against the Minks
Queen is a crazy mad scientist who sees everyone as lab rats for his viral creations as well as torturing people, and i can't even imagine what madness King must get up, though i expect it involves fire

LawSamuka

@emi_b7:

There's no EX cards in these packs? I haven't seen anything regarding that.

It does have EX cards, but it appears that people are more engaged to discuss manga character gender

Hy4000uk

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Zik

@JulieYBM:

Nobody is born any gender or 'sex'.

So you believe there is no distinction between males and females in order to be labeled as such?

Hy4000uk

@Zik:

So you believe there is no distinction between males and females in order to be labeled as such?

That's the insanity of the modern western world

Zik

@Vongola_Boss_XI:

Wano is a Kabuki Play in… four? five? three? ... acts. The impression I have always had is that Yamato is playing the role of Oden. She even first stepped on stage wearing a Hanya mask. The Straw Hats have been using lazy pseudonyms to fit in with the citizens of Wano. Not to mention Kanjuro, Big Mom's personality split, Momo's struggle to inherit his father's legacy, Hiyori as Komurasaki, Denjiro hiding not one, but two secret identities, performance and theatricality have been recurrent motifs throughout the entire story arc.

I very much agree with your assessment of that aspect of Yamato's character.

As for the Kaido part, I think he probably just wants a son for selfish reasons. He respects nothing else about Yamato's desires or wishes, so I never would have considered him respecting gender pronouns. I think the rest of the Beast Pirates just do what Kaido says / wants.

This is an interesting take and good catch theme wise.

electricmastro

@rayleigh92:

Yamato actually only referred to himself as a "male" but the first time he explained the whole gimnic to Luffy. You seek for "evidence", when there's actually a one-side thing from Yamato the whole time. The real issue only came from 1. the introduction box referring as "daughter"; 2. the whole merchandising; 3. now the Vivre Card.

We did not get any "female reference" from any character up to chapter 1020, the last time we saw Yamato. Yamato refers to himself as "son of Kaido"; Kaido calls "my son"; Sasaki and other underlings refers as "Little lord"; Luffy calls him "Yama-guy". The only character that called Yamato as a "her" is that Ace's crewmate which was shocked about Yamato being "the daughter of Kaido" with Yamato actually evil staring him after that (and not for the "Kaido's child" thing, as Yamato indeed revealed it the page before).

I mean, I get there's confusion cause merchandising choices, but the actual inside-manga has been one-sided since ever.

And I admit that I don't know the exact reason to why Kaido and his subordinates refer to Yamato as "he," though seeing as how this is the same manga in which a father said that a woman can't be the strongest swordsman and wanted a son to inherit his dojo, then it's not completely unreasonable to at least consider the possibility that patriarchies and following the wishes of others may play into that, is it?

JDub

I see we’ve moved on from “casual” transphobia to literal actual slurs

Cockycent

@LightningAce:

It is very clear that Jack, Queen and King have such high bounties because of their violent and sadistic behaviour. Jack is a unhinged lunatic and was returned to Zou to committ genocide against the Minks
Queen is a crazy mad scientist who sees everyone as lab rats for his viral creations as well as torturing people, and i can't even imagine what madness King must get up, though i expect it involves fire

Queen called King a torture loving freak in their intro. That most likely has something to do with his bounty. What we see from Kata is that he is protecting his family first. Even tho he is relentless.

Deicide

I’ve always assumed that most fighters in the New World use haki in invisible ways, like pre-TS. It may be a thing related to the observer knowing what to look for (so Franky or Robin didn’t see haki uses) or just Oda sparing us from obvious revelations again and again.

But I still question why not include bounties of the Tobbi Roppo with their power reveals. It would hype them further at the time.

I’m surprised by their bounties. They are not low, but I was expecting at least some of them to be with Perospero and the rare others in the gap between 550 million and 1 billion.

andre

Maybe I have missed it elsewhere, but it seems that Hatcha is 188 years old. I had assumed the Numbers were made just a few decades back (between the Rocks pirates dissolution and whenever Caesar was put in charge), but it seems that they may have been Giants that were experimented on to become ancient giants??! Or it could be something completely different of course.

black-leg jex

This kind of talk brings out those kinds of people unfortunatley :sad:

Cockycent

@andre:

Maybe I have missed it elsewhere, but it seems that Hatcha is 188 years old. I had assumed the Numbers were made just a few decades back (between the Rocks pirates dissolution and whenever Caesar was put in charge), but it seems that they may have been Giants that were experimented on to become ancient giants??! Or it could be something completely different of course.

Just off hearing they were experimented on, it hit me that their laughter might be connected to that. Vinsmoke kids, Germa clones, Chopper's speaking habits when in Chibi form, Ice Oni effects on behavior, the removal of sorrow and anger with SMILE fruits if you don't get the beast ability. All of them have behavioral and emotional issues beyond their control. The only Numbers shown have just laughed.

Zik

@D:

The person you are talking cant even understand the term biological male/female. You are loosing your time

Wasn't aware. Thanks for the heads up.@pariston_hill:

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Genetic is not quite that simplistic in irl.

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Ignoring the insect talk, it actually is simpler with humans.

Or are you claiming 5-alphareductase deficiency, missing a SRY gene in your Y chromosome, etc. are so common that the labels such as male and female no longer have meaning to say a person is born as one or the other?@Robby:

Nope! That's the very most basic, (outdated) version taught in school, but you can end up with all sorts of variations. Xxy is not uncommon, and you can end up having the opposite set despite what your parts look like. Then there's women that get too much testosterone and grow beards, and men who grow breasts, and those that develop other characteristics later in life and …

There's probably actually closer to something like 5-15 genders, but its subtle. And then hormones make that a million times more complicated. Plus brain chemistry and..

Stuff is way more complicated than that.

I was just talking about humans being born male or female. Not gender.

And again like I asked before are those situations so common that now we're saying ppl aren't being born male or female anymore?

I really must've missed that scientific course correct.

JulieYBM

@Zik:

So you believe there is no distinction between males and females in order to be labeled as such?

Yup. Self-identification is the only marker of male, female or non-binary.

Zik

@JulieYBM:

The things that 'biological sex' observes exist but the classification and the use of that classification are all fake and made up for a narrative and purpose separate from how people actually exist.

So if the classification is fake and I assume scientists all agree on that what are the new labels to classify the multiple sexes?

Seriously asking. I missed out on female and male being obsolete terms.@JulieYBM:

Yup. Self-identification is the only marker of male, female or non-binary.

Welp, I guess that answers that.

I always knew gender was a social construct but apparently now sexes are so varied and common that they too are no longer useful.

JulieYBM

@Zik:

So if the classification is fake and I assume scientists all agree on that what are the new labels to classify the multiple sexes?

Seriously asking. I missed out on female and male being obsolete terms.
Welp, I guess that answers that.

I always knew gender was a social construct but apparently now sexes are so varied and common that they too are no longer useful.

The terms 'female' and 'male' can be changed on your identifications for a reason. Actually, they shouldn't be there at all if we want to get into it.

Like…if your doctor needs to know if you need a prostate examine or a breast exam I can guarantee you they can just ask if you need one of those...both! Or neither!

anbutanaka

@Deicide:

I’ve always assumed that most fighters in the New World use haki in invisible ways, like pre-TS. It may be a thing related to the observer knowing what to look for (so Franky or Robin didn’t see haki uses) or just Oda sparing us from obvious revelations again and again.

But I still question why not include bounties of the Tobbi Roppo with their power reveals. It would hype them further at the time.

I’m surprised by their bounties. They are not low, but I was expecting at least some of them to be with Perospero and the rare others in the gap between 550 million and 1 billion.

I agree with you about not breaking into that 600-700 million range. I kind of expected WsW too. I’m not disappointed just surprised.

I am disappointed that they didn’t use this opportunity to give Holdem and Speed a bounty. Even if it was a small throwaway number, like it should. It would have flesh out the series more. Kind of like the enraged army of Big Mom i.e Mont D’our and Bobbin.

StrawHatJedi

@Zik:

This is an interesting take and good catch theme wise.

Thanks! We'll see how it turns out of course when the curtains close on Wano.

Monquito

So.. PayPay and Ulti's dad was a pirate who died long ago.

That's interesting.

StrawHatJedi

@Deicide:

I’ve always assumed that most fighters in the New World use haki in invisible ways, like pre-TS. It may be a thing related to the observer knowing what to look for (so Franky or Robin didn’t see haki uses) or just Oda sparing us from obvious revelations again and again.

But I still question why not include bounties of the Tobbi Roppo with their power reveals. It would hype them further at the time.

I’m surprised by their bounties. They are not low, but I was expecting at least some of them to be with Perospero and the rare others in the gap between 550 million and 1 billion.

Yeah, completely agreed. I'm mostly surprised that there are so few bounties in this range. The Revolutionary Army captains are also surprisingly low. Sabo having a 602 million bounty while being the second in command set the upper limit pretty low for an affiliation of the world's most dangerous criminals.

I suppose there are still some characters who could be revealed to have bounties in the 500 million to 1 billion range.

The biggest yet to be revealed bounties:

Monkey D. Dragon
Dracule Mihawk
Ben Beckman
Lucky Roux
Yasopp
Jesus Burgess
Doc Q
Lafitte
Van Auger
Shiryu
Avalo Pizarro
Catalina Devon
Vasco Shot
San Juan Wolf

Rest of the Red-Hair & Whitebeard Pirates
Other Level 6 escapees

Likely to have new bounties:

Kuzan
Buggy the Clown
Boa Hancock
Edward Weevil
Gecko Moria

and will probably receive new bounties post-Wano

Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Law, Kid, Killer (Carrot? Yamato?)

I also lost track of the current bounties for some of the other Worst Gen captains.

Among the Emperor crews, the Red-Haired Pirates are said to be the most balanced crew overall, so I expect they will have the highest average. bounties. Mihawk with a new bounty could certainly be in the billion+ range. Not sure if Dragon will have a bounty higher than Roger and Whitebeard. I'm aware he was never called the world's most wanted criminal, but it does seem to go hand-in-hand with most dangerous.

I could certainly see Kuzan, Hancock, Buggy, Crocodile, Weevil, and Blackbeard's titanic captains being in the 500 mil - 1 bil range. Kuzan could also easily be over 1 billion.

Mihawk, Dragon, Ben Beckman, Lucky Roux, and Yasopp are all probably above 1 billion.

JDub

Okay, so I'm gonna say some shit that will certainly rustle some feathers, including those of the forum staff, but quite frankly I've spent over a year being 'patient' and 'civil' about the way transphobia has been allowed to slide on the forum and I honestly do not care any more about the optics of 'civility' or 'politeness'. I have frequented this site for close to a decade. And for over a year, since the introduction of a character in One Piece that has begged the discussion of gender identity, I've come here to see the truth of the existence of genderqueer people (including myself) questioned or outright dismissed. My freedom to simply exist as I am, identity unquestioned, a privilege that cisgender people take for granted. I am not the only genderqueer person on this forum or in this thread. And while I hesitate to speak for any of them or their experiences, for me? Personally? I'm tired and have run out of energy to hold back for the sake of appearances.

Earlier in this thread, on the previous page, someone (who'll remain nameless) posted a slur used for trans and genderqueer people. The post was reported, and has been since deleted by a member of the staff, and it looks pretty obvious to me right now that it's just gonna be swept under the rug, and that no one is actually going to say anything or apply any consequences to hate speech. And I'll be real, that sends a pretty clear message. That going so far as to say an actual slur? That'll be quietly removed. But the people who say those things will be allowed to continue posting, and articulate the same hateful attitudes regarding genderqueer people so long as they dress it up in way that they can claim plausible deniability. 'Casual' transphobia, the kind that directly questions the existence and validity and trans and nonbinary identities, but dress it up in a way that's 'polite' ("a difference of opinion", "just asking questions", etc.) has been allowed to be posted on this forum with little to no consequence aside from maybe a stern post from members of the mod/admin team. But that's in the best of times. In the worst of times, like now, the actual offending post is quietly deleted and covered up, the offending poster is sent on their way, and the staff pretends like the whole thing never happened and we're expected to just move on and drop it. For the sake of 'civility' or 'not getting heated' or whatever. And then everything dies down until the next time the conversation comes up, when we do the whole dance over again. And it comes at the expense of the genderqueer people who are here and have been here, who are expected to stomach that. Again, it sends a pretty clear message to the genderqueer members of this forum; Transphobia is allowed on Arlong Park. You just gotta dogwhistle it instead of saying it outright. It's gotta fly under the radar just enough.

I don't think that's necessarily what the staff wants, or at least for some members of the staff. I know that the forum staff is not a monolith. But that is the message these actions send collectively. And I've wanted to say a lot of this for a long time, but I've held off out of worry for how the staff and other members of the forum would respond (or not). But it has gotten to a point where it so egregious that I can't just sit by and say nothing. When certain posters try to explain/argue gender identity with people who are actually genderqueer? When someone says a slur with zero consequence? And a member of staff just pretends it didn't happen? I refuse. I'd wondered whether I should say this publicly, or if I should privately take it up with the staff. But if these interactions are going to happen in public, in a thread for everyone to see, then this can too. I remind you what series this forum exists to discuss, and how quick the protagonist of that series is to call out something when it's wrong and threatens peoples' freedom to simply exist as they are.

AP's been part of my One Piece fandom for a long time. One Piece is important to me. And I only say these things because I do, in fact, care about an internet forum for a long-running comic series about a rubber pirate. Again, this is an online space I've frequented for close to a decade to engage in discourse around that comic that I love. I want to stay. But it's almost impossible to when I come on here and regularly see multiple people questioning and outright insulting the validity of queer identities with zero consequence. There needs to be concrete action. Something. Anything.

Dragon D. Luffy

@black-leg:

As long as people aren't dicks about it to each other. The worst people are the ones coming out of the woodwork and acting like it was obvious from the start which gender Yamato was and saying those who think he is a man are pushing an agenda or some nonsense, as if the text of the manga itself wasn't pushing in the male direction.

If it was obvious there wouldn't have been a debate in the first place.

Yeah pretty much this. I have been on the camp that thought Yamato wasn't trans since the start, but you can't pretend there weren't a ton of hints and evidence (even if not conclusive) that Yamato was trans. If you are trying to be rational and scientific like many claim to, you have to accept the fact that it was impossible to know for sure. Heck, it is still not 100% decided. Yamato hasn't had a "ok so I'm not Oden, back to being a she" moment yet and may not have one at all.

So people going "take that!" about it or trying to extrapolate it to broader anti-LGBT+ arguments are disgusting as hell.

It is kind of Oda's fault for letting it linger for so long, though. Then again I'm not sure how much Oda is aware this is a sensitive subject in the west, or even how sensitive it is in Japan for that matter.

King Cannon

@Monquito:

So.. PayPay and Ulti's dad was a pirate who died long ago.

That's interesting.

Where are you learning this? Share it man.

Can't read Japanese for shit.

Hy4000uk

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