Those commanders….don't look that impressive.
As opposed to how tough for instance Marco looks.
Like a little Butters from South Park. Lots of strong folks in OP look goofy
Chapter 904: The Entrance of The Revolutionary Army Commanders
-
-
What DF does Karasu have? Not even sure what type it is, but probably not logia. Making his body split into crows - that's weird.
I'll assume that the crows are still part of his body since his body disintegrated when he released them. In which case I think it can be pretty bad for his combat abilities, since inuring the crows would injure him directly. Either way it's one thing to change your form, but another to change into bunch of things at once. Literally becoming into a pack of crows.
-
I just want to say, Bello Betty Swaaaaaannn !!!
-
Sanji is just Oda's alter ego, even trump has more respect for women. No wonder other mangas are still more popular then OP outside of japan.
-
What DF does Karasu have? Not even sure what type it is, but probably not logia. Making his body split into crows - that's weird.
I'll assume that the crows are still part of his body since his body disintegrated when he released them. In which case I think it can be pretty bad for his combat abilities, since inuring the crows would injure him directly. Either way it's one thing to change your form, but another to change into bunch of things at once. Literally becoming into a pack of crows.
Maybe he is an awakened crow zoan type with different set of awakening
-
As opposed to how tough for instance Marco looks.
Like a little Butters from South Park. Lots of strong folks in OP look goofy
Marco is a really weird comparison to make. He was pretty goofy looking in his first appearance, but by Marineford, I think his design is elegant as is, and really cool when he transforms. There's a reason he's still a fan favorite all these years later and it isn't his character. Guys like Moria, Kuma, Shiki, Weevil, Oven, or Daifuku seem to fit that pattern well enough, though. Otherwise, most of Oda's extremely strong characters are pretty badass. I think the strongest goofy-designed character has to be Sengoku and he's sort of a mix of goofy and cool.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@uniaka:
Sanji is just Oda's alter ego, even trump has more respect for women. No wonder other mangas are still more popular then OP outside of japan.
I don't think One Piece's lack of extreme success outside of Japan is due to its treatment of women, lol. I'd wager it's more about the other thing people are complaining about this chapter, that the designs of characters can be really strange, even to fans. What other manga has a largely important faction with a design motif that mixes Steampunk with The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Check out my podcast for conversations about Greatness in anime, sports, music, and whatever else we can think of.
-
I admit I liked this chapter more because I was dying to see the RA Commanders for so long now than because of its own merits. But screw it, I really enjoyed the chapter. I'm really digging the Commanders (sexy badass +30 lady? In. Okama? In. Gadget person? In). I just don't like how their abilities seem to overlap with the others on the group (Belo Betty's encouragement ability seems like something out of Ivankov's hormones, on a much bigger scale but limited to a single type of "hormone", while Morley's ability to turn the ground into clay and mold it strongly resembled Inazuma's Choki Choki).
Curious about Inazuma and Koala getting a chair on the table along with Iva, Dragon, Sabo and the 4 Army Commanders… I thought they were ranked below the others, but maybe not. Hack, Bunny Joe, etc. are not getting a seat there, so it's not like everyone is allowed.
Also, I liked how Belo Betty's actions support what Ivankov said back in ID about not acting as a miracle worker for people who will not stand by themselves. The Revolutionary Army seem to reject the idea of acting as heroes and saving others, they want the people to realize their own power and act on it instead of looking at them as their saviors (something that would ultimately lead to the RA governing and protecting them and just becoming a second WG+Marine).
And unlike people thought based on the spoilers, the 4 Army Commanders were not sent to Lulucia to deal with Pinkbeard, they just happened to stumble there on their way to Kamabakka (I love it is the new RA base, btw). I wonder why they were together to begin with, though.
That said, wow, that Moda girl is dumb. Girl, you so dumb! "Don't attack us, we are so poor, the only thing of value we have is the MYSTICAL GOLDEN TREASUUUURE we provide to our king Y.Y". At least the girl is just equally strong, did she just knocked out a 52,000,000 bounty with a stick? Wow.
-
So did Morley eat pica's fruit? Or is that the combination between pica's fruit and seqnor pink's fruit?
-
yeh, I agree with those who've had the Mashima feeling.
Oda just dumped 4new and important characters on us, just like that. AND he showed all of their abilities even though Belo Betty could have taken care of all of them I guess.I'd say that Karasu is an awakened logia. not a "special logia'. Anyway, when I saw that guy I thought he was one of Kaido's calamities
I expected the revo tu have more than just 4 commanders….
For the designs,the girl is generic oda girl, the giant is the child of hajrudjn and machvise, the mouse guy is the most atypical, while crow guy is a bit generic too.
Well, I'd disagree and say Karasu looks original and Lindbergh is generic
-
Marco is a really weird comparison to make. He was pretty goofy looking in his first appearance, but by Marineford, I think his design is elegant as is, and really cool when he transforms. There's a reason he's still a fan favorite all these years later and it isn't his character. Guys like Moria, Kuma, Shiki, Weevil, Oven, or Daifuku seem to fit that pattern well enough, though. Otherwise, most of Oda's extremely strong characters are pretty badass. I think the strongest goofy-designed character has to be Sengoku and he's sort of a mix of goofy and cool.
He literally looks like a grown up Butters though.
He is and will remain my go to for don't judge a book by it's goofy cover character.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@.access:
At least the girl is just equally strong, did she just knocked out a 52,000,000 bounty with a stick? Wow.
Makes you wonder how much of a boost that rallying fruit is supposed to give a person. If a normal person can, under it's influence, take down a that high bounty head in one blow then could you rally like Jozu or any other physical powerhouse to just devestate Kaido? Like you want to know the upper limit, where does the fruits ability to empower a person cap off. Could be crazy crazy powerful.
-
He literally looks like a grown up Butters though.
He is and will remain my go to for don't judge a book by it's goofy cover character.
Marco? But it's just the hair, not full design, he looks normal outside of hair. And he is a Phoenix bird, so he gets special pass because of that.
Seems to me neither. HE didn't transform into rock like Pika, nor is he swimming through the ground like Senor Pink. Looks more like a tunneling fruit. One does exist, as Iva mentioned it waaaaay back in Impel Down, a previous DF user used it to create lv 5.5 "a long time ago" with a tunneling df.
But did ivankov talk about that guy like he knows him? I think he would have mentioned my friend and fellow revo guy that has the tunneling fruit?
-
Went back to look at all the panels showing Karasu. He never changes, it looks like crows form from the coat around him. There's one panel it looks like he's 'dissolving' into crows but looking again its just a matter of perspective
[hide]
[/hide]@uniaka:
So did Morley eat pica's fruit? Or is that the combination between pica's fruit and seqnor pink's fruit?
Seems to me neither. HE didn't transform into rock like Pika, nor is he swimming through the ground like Senor Pink. Looks more like a tunneling fruit. One does exist, as Iva mentioned it waaaaay back in Impel Down, a previous DF user used it to create lv 5.5 "a long time ago" with a tunneling df.
-
I think with time people get used to some designs and don't realize what those characters really look like. It's not just Marco, but also Shanks, Teach, even Luffy, all of them look like complete background fodder characters. Damn, Roger is probably the biggest offender and he is the Pirate King. Even Big Mom, despite an interesting design, gives zero "strong character".
Of all the big named pirates, Kaido and the late WB are the only ones that look properly badass in the way we are used to, you look at them and you know they are strong. But all the others? You wouldn't even bother looking at them in any other manga… and that's one of the best things about One Piece.Belo Betty could have taken care of all of them I guess.
Except the whole idea here was the RA not taking care of anyone. They only provided support, the ones doing the actual fight and taking the pirates were the citizens. Their intention is not for people to depend on them to be protected in the place of the Marines, to be ruled by them in the place of their kings, but to rally people by providing motivation/means/support so the people can trust their own power.
-
@uniaka:
Marco? But it's just the hair, not full design, he looks normal outside of hair. And he is a Phoenix bird, so he gets special pass because of that.
-
This was the first time in One Piece that we've seen the trope of unintentionally falling with your hands on the beautie's breasts. But hey, it was Moda from Ace's cover collection, not the main protagonist from your favorite shonen, so that's better, I guess. At the other side of the grabbing was Belo Betty, whose charisma I liked, whose design I liked, whose powers are hilariously genius to her job. I also liked all the four revolutionary executives, with the exception of Morley, not because of his design (which I think it's well done), but because of his comic relif that is just like a thousand others from One Piece.
The Revolutionaries… why the hat? Are the executives Sabo's fanboys? Btw, it's funny how the group responsible for saving the world looks like a bunch of hardcore crazy criminals, much like you'd expect from Oda and revolutionaries. I enjoyed their attitude of both empathy and complacency towards the citzens. Talking about the people, Lulusia Kingdom is the kingdom of that aggressive princess kidnapped last chapter and their king is one of the characters which had a line in the flashback of the Reverie from 8 years ago... ironically, he's that man holding Dragon's picture: https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/142/6
A war declaration, huh? That escalated quickly, lol… I'll admit that I wasn't excepting the revolutionaries in the Reverie even though it's a politically charged arc. It sounds crazy, but let's see, let's see. Good chapter.
-
@.access:
Except the whole idea here was the RA not taking care of anyone. They only provided support, the ones doing the actual fight and taking the pirates were the citizens. Their intention is not for people to depend on them to be protected in the place of the Marines, to be ruled by them in the place of their kings, but to rally people by providing motivation/means/support so the people can trust their own power.
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Belo Betty could have done the stuff on her own. She's the one who gave them the power of the mojo after all
-
I will never again be able to look at Marco the same way xD
-
Huh.
For some reason I wasn't quite feeling it. I got the same feeling I got whenever Mashima decided to introduce multiple members of a strong group in a single chapter, just to get it out of the way. I know I sound petty, but ut was really not much. Maybe it's because they weren't steadily built up, just dumped on us after showing some silhouettes once. Sure, it's understandable you can't just cover every aspect of the world in this format, and it shows here. Revolutionaries have been keept tightly under wraps for too long and I can't say the pay off got me hyped much.
I think mostrar Shonen Aventure Manga does that.
-
Went back to look at all the panels showing Karasu. He never changes, it looks like crows form from the coat around him. There's one panel it looks like he's 'dissolving' into crows but looking again its just a matter of perspective
[hide]https://i2.wp.com/jaiminisbox.com/reader/content/comics/one-piece-2_58650da78040f/904-0-the-entrance-of-the-revolutionary-army-commanders_5af522ab14009/14.png?quality=100&strip=all [/hide]It is not a matter of perspective, he is dissolving into crows. You can see it here and here (the panel with his name) as well.
-
@uniaka:
Sanji is just Oda's alter ego, even trump has more respect for women.
You mean the only man in OP that would not lay a finger to hit a woman os worse than Trump?
-
I really hate Belo Betty's chara-design and personality. She is just a SJW. The kind of person who would wear an Anonymous mask.
Morley is the cliché of the fat and dumb guy.Lindbergh is your stereotypical eccentric who crafts stuff.
Karasu looks like he has been taken out of Dorohedoro. I guess he's the only charismatic character in the revolutionary army. Too bad, I had high expectations on them.
I'm saying he's awakened because he's abel to control/send crows from very very very far
https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/794/15And he's obviously the guy who delivers information between Revolutionaries as we saw many times through the crows
-
The Revolutionaries… why the hat? Are the executives Sabo's fanboys?
Sabo is the chief of staff, he almost definitely has the authority to decide the RA's uniforms. He just thinks hats and goggles look cool.
-
because logias are element/force of nature based, the person turns into that element/force and can create unlimited amount of the element and control it.
Zoans are animal based, transforming into a form but cannot control others of that type. One may turn into a dog, but can't control dogs.
And paramecia are random effects that can be anything excluding fully transforming into an animal or element/fore of nature.Did Karasu fully transform into a crow? I didn't see it. I only saw him create a murder of crows and control them.
Seems like Karasu is paramecia.…unless zoans have a special class: swarm.
I'm aware of the "must be nature stuff" reason for Mochi Mochi Fruit not being Logia, but I still think that it's function is so similar to one that it might as well be Logia. -
Seems to me neither. HE didn't transform into rock like Pika, nor is he swimming through the ground like Senor Pink. Looks more like a tunneling fruit. One does exist, as Iva mentioned it waaaaay back in Impel Down, a previous DF user used it to create lv 5.5 "a long time ago" with a tunneling df.
I think he just has a softening fruit that allows him to turn solids into semi-solids or something like that.
-
This post is deleted!
-
Thing is we haven't seen Onigumo turn fully into a spider. So maybe he is a zoan that never fully turned, finding the hybrid form more helpful. That's more likely than he has a paramecia that imitates zoan and lets him only partially transform akin to how Baby5 & Daz Bones have paramecia that imitates logia, allowing them to transform body parts into metal form (hers is superior to his)
But its still just a spider zoan, its not a 'special zoan: swarm' type that would allow him to burst into a dozen (or hundreds) of small spiders then reform his body.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
because logias are element/force of nature based, the person turns into that element/force and can create unlimited amount of the element and control it.
Zoans are animal based, transforming into a form but cannot control others of that type. One may turn into a dog, but can't control dogs.
And paramecia are random effects that can be anything excluding fully transforming into an animal or element/fore of nature.Did Karasu fully transform into a crow? I didn't see it. I only saw him create a murder of crows and control them.
Seems like Karasu is paramecia....unless zoans have a special class: swarm.
able
He was originally intended as Logia but had to be changed to special paramecia since Mochi is not 自然系(Natural Type). But, has a reasonable explanation now as to why he is able to look and work like a Logia.He can move and shape his body around, BUT if he doesn't he will get hit. All the times he got shot or sliced or punched through he simply changes the shape of his body in order to not get hit which can be done easily by him since he can see the future
I'm aware of all those reasons, but I still think that it should just screw the rules and be a Logia anyway due to similar functions.
-
It did, and I agree that full introductions are better than just a name box. I may not like it right now, but I do see that this is paving the road for future chapters where these characters will be relevant. The incident itself may even become relevant during the Reverie arc, for example be the spark of an upcoming revolution in this Lulusia kingdom we keep hearing about lately.
However, the stakes here are so low that I can't help finding the whole situation laughable. This is really cheap hype compared to, say, the introduction of Jack who was first seen taking on an island's worth of top-notch new world warriors. This whole scene could have been so much more interesting if the commanders had been introduced during, say, a flashback of the Bartigo events. Instead the clash with Blackbeard is shoved under the carpet and we get…something else.I'm not in love with this chapter or anything, but if Oda was trying to create big stakes/big hype to give the revolutionaries a great feat to showcase their might, he could very well have given Pinkbeard a huge bounty instead of 50 million. But he didn't. Now we can understand that the intention of this scene is to highlight another aspect of them… that is, their relationship with people, afterall they are revolutionaries. It's not by coincidence that their action was to give strenght to the people to stand for themselves instead of just defeating the bad guy.
That's actually an interesting choice instead of "omg, they are so strong!".
-
This post is deleted!
-
I think he just has a softening fruit that allows him to turn solids into semi-solids or something like that.
Maybe his spear is the one that ate a softening fruit…
-
I'm not in love with this chapter or anything, but if Oda was trying to create big stakes/big hype to give the revolutionaries a great feat to showcase their might, he could very well have given Pinkbeard a huge bounty instead of 50 million. But he didn't. Now we can understand that the intention of this scene is to highlight another aspect of them… that is, their relationship with people, afterall they are revolutionaries. It's not by coincidence that their action was to give strenght to the people to stand for themselves instead of just defeating the bad guy.
That's actually an interesting choice instead of "omg, they are so strong!".
But it's not like it had to be either/or. He could have done both simultaneously. Did he do it to show they aren't much compared to emperor executives? Because 50 mil pirates have become fodder even before time skip.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I think mostrar Shonen Aventure Manga does that.
Mostrar? "Most of" corrected?
It may be, but it reminded me of Fairy Tail.
-
I'm aware of all those reasons, but I still think that it should just screw the rules and be a Logia anyway due to similar functions.
Oda kinda has to stay consistent with his own internal rules.
Heck, without them, we probably wouldn't even have Logias in the first place.
-
Not blown away by their designs. I think it's a combination of raised expectations and similar clothing. Where's Hack? Hope he wasn't killed by Bluebeard.
-
But it's not like it had to be either/or. He could have done both simultaneously. Did he do it to show they aren't much compared to emperor executives? Because 50 mil pirates have become fodder even before time skip.
Betty gave the (literal) credit to the citizens.
Otherwise, they would have done more than just taking away weapons and encouraging the citizens. Or do you think a guy with a freezing pistol or a dude that can turn into crows couldn't beat Pinkbeard?
-
I guess the point of the weak guy was to showcase how powerful their ability to rally common people are.
Like a realisticlly weak enough dude that they could overpower with the help of her enhancement DF.
Having a 52 million dude be one-shotted still feels akward tho when we've seen the shit they can usually go through
-
Having a 52 million dude be one-shotted still feels akward tho when we've seen the shit they can usually go through
Yeah since you got 50 million mr 1 that was a Killin machine, or even 60 m zoro, 50 m bellamy was not that bad either. And he got 1 shot by…fodders. SO pinkbeard is like sub fodder level, but he does have more original design then all the 4 revos commanders. Does ''momo' on his belt stand for momonosuke? And is that a Phoenix on his hat?
-
Also, Belo Betty is based on the female revolutionary symbol Marianne, given how in the original painting her breasts are exposed (hence why Betty goes full commando, lol)
-
Because it was. Apparently a lot of mangaka were really rushed because of Goldenweek. My hero academia actually had a bunch of unfinished panels.
I just got back from Japan during Goldenweek, and yeah, mangaka are just people who want to spend a few days with their families. Next week or maybe after that should return to normal. Best part of the chapter is the revelation of a declaration of war and Belo Betty (Luffy's mom?) Leading the People. Crow was a nice revelation, as was the Revolutionary Army being headquartered in queerkama land.
-
@uniaka:
Yeah since you got 50 million mr 1 that was a Killin machine, or even 60 m zoro, 50 m bellamy was not that bad either. And he got 1 shot by…fodders. SO pinkbeard is like sub fodder level, but he does have more original design then all the 4 revos commanders. Does ''momo' on his belt stand for momonosuke? And is that a Phoenix on his hat?
This guy is shown to be a guy that serves under Blackbeard, and attacks a town only when the strong people defending it are gone. Not surprising that a coward managed to get a decent bounty, imagine a guy that goes around beating old men, planning in order to avoid any conflict with authorities.
I think Oda did a great job here! -
I liked the design, it just feels like a bit of an underwhelming introduction vs. a 50M bounty man (something we have not seen in ages). I expect the commanders of the RA to be monsters. Also, a short chapter. Also, I'm not sure where this is going and what they mean by "war to the Celestial Dragons". I'm assuming not much and that we won't see it anyway because I can't imagine the story steering aways from the main character for a year.
-
But it's not like it had to be either/or. He could have done both simultaneously. Did he do it to show they aren't much compared to emperor executives? Because 50 mil pirates have become fodder even before time skip.
If the people were supposed to defeat the bad guys, it would be questionable to have a strong pirate in the other end of the battle.
Regardless, how deserving would it feel to have this guy with a huge bounty just to be fodderized by the executives? It would be pretty much cheap and meaningless to the readers, basically fake hype. For now, it's better to focus on who the executives are instead of how powerful they are.
-
Oda kinda has to stay consistent with his own internal rules.
Heck, without them, we probably wouldn't even have Logias in the first place.
Thinking about it, BB's Dark Dark Fruit strikes me more as being Paramecia due to stuff can't going through him. I know, things are supposed to go inside him due to his body being a black hole. Wonder if it's possible for him to transform into dark stuff, whatever it is.
-
Could Morley fruit be the one that wqas used in Impel Down to make level 5.5 ?
That's what I was thinking.
-
@uniaka:
Yeah since you got 50 million mr 1 that was a Killin machine, or even 60 m zoro, 50 m bellamy was not that bad either. And he got 1 shot by…fodders. SO pinkbeard is like sub fodder level, but he does have more original design then all the 4 revos commanders.
Even going back to East Blue they all had better punch resistance than this dude.
Either the rally fruit increases the power by like a factor of ten, or this dude was the glass cannon of all glass cannons.
-
Even going back to East Blue they all had better punch resistance than this dude.
Either the rally fruit increases the power by like a factor of ten, or this dude was the glass cannon of all glass cannons.
Or we didn't have the time/interest to dive into a full lenghty fight just to see the guy receiving the 50 blows needed to defeat him.
-
The Commanders' designs aren't instant classics, but I like them. I also like that, since this seems to be all of them now, the number of Revolutionary Army significant i.e. named members has been kept relatively small. It gives me hope for each of them getting individual focus in a way that many characters since the timeskip haven't.
-
This is one of those chapters that I probably would have liked if I hadn't read the spoilers.
-
Or we didn't have the time/interest to dive into a full lenghty fight just to see the guy receiving the 50 blows needed to defeat him.
15-20 million bountyheads we've seen before crawl out after being punched clear thru rocks or having buildings drop on them. 1 or 50 blows with a stick isn't the thing. It's the fact that someone with that kind of bounty, the equal of people who were exponentially tougher than for instance captain Kuro going down from being whacked with a stick. And using Kuro as an example he is the classic glass cannon, and even he wouldn't go down from Usopp whacking him with a stick. Those kids wailed on his head with three frying pans and he got up with out a scratch. I get that you could just handwave it with oh he didn't have enough time to showcase the whole chain of events. But it's still either a frighteningly powerful fruit that can empower a normal person beyond all reason or one of the very weakest defenses we've ever seen on a person who held a bounty. A milk maid with a stick beat him down in a minute, even if it was 200 whacks it's still a milk maid with a stick.
-
Betty gave the (literal) credit to the citizens.
Otherwise, they would have done more than just taking away weapons and encouraging the citizens. Or do you think a guy with a freezing pistol or a dude that can turn into crows couldn't beat Pinkbeard?
They participated. If only to stop anyone from dying. But pitting characters against weaklings is not how you create hype.
We more or less knew how they operate, so I didn't really need to see them helping the citizens help themselves.
Granted, if we were still in East Blue, I'd be impressed as hell.
-
15-20 million bountyheads we've seen before crawl out after being punched clear thru rocks or having buildings drop on them. 1 or 50 blows with a stick isn't the thing. It's the fact that someone with that kind of bounty, the equal of people who were exponentially tougher than for instance captain Kuro going down from being whacked with a stick. And using Kuro as an example he is the classic glass cannon, and even he wouldn't go down from Usopp whacking him with a stick. Those kids wailed on his head with three frying pans and he got up with out a scratch. I get that you could just handwave it with oh he didn't have enough time to showcase the whole chain of events. But it's still either a frighteningly powerful fruit that can empower a normal person beyond all reason or one of the very weakest defenses we've ever seen on a person who held a bounty. A milk maid with a stick beat him down in a minute, even if it was 200 whacks it's still a milk maid with a stick.
I understand what you're saying. What I'm pointing out is that Oda flexibilizes consistency to keep the narrative clean to what matters to a given scene. There's no point in stretching that fight to better portray Pinkbeard's combat prowess other than the goal to make him match the level of his peers (pirates with 50 million bounty or less), something absolutely secondary in that context. While some readers value this kind of consistency (and there's no problem in this mentality), I believe that Oda doesn't care too much if that means sacrificing conciseness in his storytelling, which is not even focusing in Pinkbeard.
-
It's bounty inflation. The beri price is dropping. The Extol is growing, and the Vega-coin is about to wreck the global economy aaaaaany minute now.
