Future bounties

[Elric]

@theinvisibleworm:

In an sbs, oda stated that Lucci would narrowly defeat Eneru in a fight.

concerning sbs.43

@greg:

No, he said nothing of the sort.

[sabret00the]

@Refii:

I'm not sure what to think.. in terms of danger to the government (without numbers) I would say the list goes in this order:

1. Luffy - Aside from having Robin on his crew, he seems to have a shot at pirate king.. that's a dangerous position.
2. Robin and Franky - Obviously the weapons and the history
3. Sanji - Out of all the SH, he's the only one who seems to constantly take on authority figures with a personal grudge, he's also considerably done the most spread out damage across the marine ranks aside from Luffy.
4. The rest haven't commited anything personal/consistant against the WG.

**Zoro is strange case in that; he may fight marines in order to fullfill his dream, but if he wasn't a SH, he would likely be a Vice Admiral. This assumption refers to his comment to Mr 1 where he states he told Crocodile "make me the leader and I'll join". Were he not a SH/Pirate, he'd likely join the Marines (in the position of the marines he's defeated, thus not a threat since he's replacing the ones he's defeating) if they made him a VA/Gorusei (so he can be the leader) In fact he'd probably be one of the "good" marines like Smoker. But he's a pirate, so the chances of him accepting a leadership marine position are 0%. However in terms of what Oda will likely reward as bounties:

1. Luffy _______________ 2) Robin

2. Zoro ________________4) Franky

3. Sanji ________________6) Ussop

4. (most likely same amount) Nami and Chopper (since they haven't really done anything extreme against the WG, other than their CP9 battles, besides Nami doesn't want a bounty, she wants to stay invisible and out of danger).
   I also agree that if there ever will be a SH that will surpass Luffy's bounty it would most likely be Robin (like right after she finds the Rio Poneglyph, in short time before Luffy becomes Pirate King, she'll be the bigger danger).
   took me a wee while to find this but now i have i must say "bullshit" only joking. though i do disagree. Zoro stated that he's join if he was leader as a form of banter not a demand and let's be honest he wouldn't have what it took to defeat Croc so it wouldn't be deserving. Also i doubt he would join the marines, while he'd still probably be in the blues having not joined the Straw hats, he wouldn't be a marine, he knows his job is too travel and become stronger, you can't do that as a marine, in fact the lifestyle wouldn't suit him at all.**

[Refii]

@sabret00the:

took me a wee while to find this but now i have i must say "bullshit" only joking. though i do disagree. Zoro stated that he's join if he was leader as a form of banter not a demand and let's be honest he wouldn't have what it took to defeat Croc so it wouldn't be deserving. Also i doubt he would join the marines, while he'd still probably be in the blues having not joined the Straw hats, he wouldn't be a marine, he knows his job is too travel and become stronger, you can't do that as a marine, in fact the lifestyle wouldn't suit him at all.

-I don't think it was banter, I think it was fact. Up until Luffy defeated Arlong, most of the people that met the SH considered Zoro the leader. Zoro was more famous and more (seemingly) powerful than Luffy, thus everyone refered to him as leader. The fact that he couldn't defeat Crocodile is null and assanine, he had never met Crocodile, he did not know who he was and therefore he couldn't make an assessment about his power.

-Zoro allowed Johnny and Yosaku follow him around instead of telling them to go make their own adventure, he enjoys being praised, as he showed when Tashigi talked about Pirate Hunter Zoro without knowing he was right in front of her.

-What? Being a marine would give him just as much opportunity to fight pirate swordsmen if not MORE opportunity because Marines have to fight every pirate, not just the ones in their way.

-Being part of an organization makes you stronger than traveling alone, eventually Zoro would have had to travel with someone. Whether that's a group of his own, another pirate crew or the marines is assanine, either way he's using them to achieve a larger goal, become the greatest swordsman. (Note: Obviously this is no longer the case, he actually cares about the SH, I do not mean that he is using the SH, I meant with other pirate crews much like Nami and Robin used other pirates, or Vivi used Croc [even though he was using her]).

[sabret00the]

@Refii:

-I don't think it was banter, I think it was fact

This discussion really can't progress past here as this sentence is fundamental to your argument and despite feeling it's fact it's your opinion. Not a very grounded one in my opinion but you see the route we're going here? Why Zoro would leave the Mugiwara after they enabled him to do what he'd been wanting to do since leaving the dojo and especially after making the promise to Luffy to support him and be the best swordsman in the world for that very reason…well it's beyond me and my energy for debate.

[Refii]

@sabret00the:

This discussion really can't progress past here as this sentence is fundamental to your argument and despite feeling it's fact it's your opinion. Not a very grounded one in my opinion but you see the route we're going here? Why Zoro would leave the Mugiwara after they enabled him to do what he'd been wanting to do since leaving the dojo and especially after making the promise to Luffy to support him and be the best swordsman in the world for that very reason…well it's beyond me and my energy for debate.

All fine points, if you had actually reviewed the chapter.
Zoro never said he would leave the mugiwara, he stated that at the time Baroque Works requested his participation in their organization (before he met the SH, as evidenced by the fact that this is the first time it is ever mentioned in the manga) he would have joined had they made him their leader.
The conversation doesn't need to stop, but if you feel it doesn't require your "energy" far be it from me to say otherwise.

[igetownd]

Will Sanji get a secret bounty? His face and name are unknown but it's clear that he's a danger. He can't be James Bond if he has a bounty.

[Simplicio]

@Fire Fist:

Both Arlong and Lucci took more than 12 direct hits from Luffy before going down. Any other villian took 4 or less. In terms of strength, Arlong and Lucci were the strongest.

SIGH

What's with the recent obsession of counting how many hits you can take before going down trend. Three fundlementel flaws
1. Pistol and Bazooka would both count as a single hit, but we know Bazooka is much more powerful.
2. Luffy improves … a lot very quickly. The Gomu Gomu no Jet pistol in recent chapters is much more painful than those pistols Luffy threw from chapter 1.
3. I've seen people count Storm as a single hit when in reality it was many.

@Fire Fist:

Croc was weak, Krieg was weak, Kuro was weak, Enel was weak, Bleuno was fairly weak, only Lucci and Arlong were not weak.

…
Bleuno was fairly weak? What were you smoking when you typed that? When Luffy first fought Blueno, Blueno got over-confident thinking Luffy could never break his tekkai and was punished with a Rifle and then slammed into the wall. But he still managed to get back up and shrugged it off as if they were nothing. When Blueno and Luffy were seriously fighting each other, their fight was pretty much dead-even. Luffy did deflect Blueno's Rankyaku so I reckon Luffy is still the better fighter.

It wasn't until Luffy actived Gear Second that the fight swayed one way. Blueno then fell after 3-4 hits. So does this makes Blueno fairly weak and Arlong not weak? Because I can't imagine Arlong able to withstand Gear Second either.

[Robin Stjernberg]

"Fire Fist" Ace, stop talking shit.
Arlong did NOT take 12 direct hits from luffy. How the hell did you count? He did take 8 or 9. Read it again got dammit.
Enel took 7. Croc about 9. Krieg took 7.
But, do not compare Gear 2 and 3 with his normal hits. And he has evolved too. AND, a pistol is not the same thing as a bazooka or a machine gun or storm.
So, Luffy would probably kick the shit out of Arlong with one Jet Pistol.

[dlo62282]

Saber ur wrong on this argument, Zoro said those things before he was a SH. He was talking in past tense.

[FireFistAce 0]

Krieg took 4 hits. His armor does not count BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HURT HIM.

1. Punched in the face
2. Slammed to the ground by Luffy's foot
3. Gaveled into the deck of Baraite
4. Slugged by Gin

Arlong:
1. Bell
2. Gatling
3. Pistol
4. Bullet
5. Teeth shattered
6. Teeth ripped out by Luffy's kick
7. Nose broken
8. Slammed to the ground by Luffy after he bit into Luffy's shoulder
9. Deflected by Gomu Gomu no shield into Arlong Park building
10. Gomu Gomu no Spear
11. Bit by his own teeth via Luffy
12. Gomu Gomu no Giant Axe ftw.

That's 12.

Crocodile:
1. Bazooked into a shrine.
2. Punched once
3. Kicked into the Air
4. Gomu Gomu no Storm ftw.

And you're probably right. I'm not debating that Arlong is on par with Lucci. Certainly, Lucci is a beast that goes into a category all his own.

But Arlong was damn strong in his own right. And definitely the strongest villian of the East Blue Arc. Maybe not the most strategic (That goes to Krieg), but definitely the strongest.

[kljs]

where did the Gomu gomu no giant axe came from for Arlong?

[Simplicio]

Fist Fist Ace, do you ever read other people's post? I just highlighted the flaw with using the number of hits you can take before going down as an indicator of strength and you outright ignored my post.

Several other things to consider.
1. It doesn't matter if you go down in a few hits if your opponent cannot hit you. You ranked Arlong stronger than Eneru and Blueno but I doubt Arlong can lay a finger on them.
2. So you've excluded the hits Krieg took because it doens't hurt him. Well when Luffy delivered a pistol into his armour, Krieg was slightly affected by the impact. How would you take into account tekkai which the CP9 use so often? I would expect the ability to take hits but not be hurt by them a trait for being strong.

@Fire Fist:

Krieg took 4 hits. His armor does not count BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HURT HIM.

1. Punched in the face
2. Slammed to the ground by Luffy's foot
3. Gaveled into the deck of Baraite
4. Slugged by Gin

There was also the time when Krieg's armour broke mid-air, Luffy jumped out of the smoke and delivered a Bazooka right into Krieg's chest. The final hit from Gin didn't look that strong, just something to stop Kreig's mad rampage and definitly not on the same level as Luffy's hit.

@Fire Fist:

Arlong:
…
12. Gomu Gomu no Giant Axe ftw.

It was a regular Gomu Gomu no Axe that brought Arlong and his park down. The only time Giant Axe was used was in his most recent fight with Lucci. Stop giving Arlong more credit than he truly deserves.

@Fire Fist:

Crocodile:
1. Bazooked into a shrine.
2. Punched once
3. Kicked into the Air
4. Gomu Gomu no Storm ftw.

Read my post, unless you need your eyes checked, that Gomu Gomu no Storm involved I reckon several dozons of punches. STOP COUNTING IT AS A SINGLE HIT!!! Using your broken criteria to rate the endurance of a villian, you've treated Storm and Bell as an equal attack :getlost:

[Elric]

@Simplicio:

broken criteria

you know, almost everyone picks their favourite characters first and afterwards fabricates reasons to make him look good^^

[FireFistAce 0]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse.

Sigh I'm not saying Arlong was this super villian that's indestructible. I was speaking in terms of raw strength, Arlong was one of the strongest. Lucci beats him by far. But most of the villians Luffy has fought are all about gimmicks. Arlong wasn't about gimmicks. He didn't move super fast, he didn't have 1000 gadgets and super armor, he didn't have a logia devil fruit, and he didn't have Roushshiki. He was one of the few villians to actually withstand a decent amount of attacks without some kind of gimmick.

That's all. Why are you being so hard on it?

[Robin Stjernberg]

@Fire Fist:

Krieg took 4 hits. His armor does not count BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HURT HIM.

1. Punched in the face
2. Slammed to the ground by Luffy's foot
3. Gaveled into the deck of Baraite
4. Slugged by Gin

Arlong:
1. Bell
2. Gatling
3. Pistol
4. Bullet
5. Teeth shattered
6. Teeth ripped out by Luffy's kick
7. Nose broken
8. Slammed to the ground by Luffy after he bit into Luffy's shoulder
9. Deflected by Gomu Gomu no shield into Arlong Park building
10. Gomu Gomu no Spear
11. Bit by his own teeth via Luffy
12. Gomu Gomu no Giant Axe ftw.

That's 12.

Crocodile:
1. Bazooked into a shrine.
2. Punched once
3. Kicked into the Air
4. Gomu Gomu no Storm ftw.

And you're probably right. I'm not debating that Arlong is on par with Lucci. Certainly, Lucci is a beast that goes into a category all his own.

But Arlong was damn strong in his own right. And definitely the strongest villian of the East Blue Arc. Maybe not the most strategic (That goes to Krieg), but definitely the strongest.

I can't see how Luffy biting Arlong could take any damage. Other than that, when did he use Bell? I did not count that he flew into the house, my bad. The nose probably didn't damage Arlong more than his pride either.

Is this a just physical damage "meter" we are talking about? Then we should consider Tekkai as a type of armor too. In my opinion Kriegs armor counts as much as anything else. Remeber that he can't do very much at all without it and his weapon.

And with Croc, I suggest you to read the both last two fights with him (there where three, but in the first, Luffy did hit him zero times). Luffy did hit him more times than that. Can't count them right now, but I can later if you wish.
But, proving that Luchi, and maybe Arlong can take more damage than Croc is pretty stupid. He is a logia got dammit, he shouldn't be used to even taking even One single punch. Instead I think he could stand up pretty good even without the fruit powers. Ener too.
Got dammit, even Wapol could take pretty much beating (as much as Captain Black, if not more (harder hits).

The only enemy I am conserned about is Buggy. Luffy did hit him like 4 or 5 times, and he didn't even seem to be hurt.
FU to all that consider Buggy as one of the weakest enemies!

EDIT.
Other than that, I agree with you Ace. Arlong is the only other exept Luchi that is all about power.
Buggy had his fruit, Black had his speed, Krieg his armor, Croc and Enel their fruits. Wapol, Mr3 and Foxy too.
Luchis fruit only gives him power.

[kljs]

Lucchi's fruit also give him agility…because a leopard has that...

[Elric]

And nine lives of course.

…but he's already down to 3 or 4^^

[akatsuki_the_devil]

I think Sanji will get a bounty higher than Zoro. Everybody knows that Sanji and Zoro are about the strength (They both beat 2 cp9 of only 20 dourki of difference). Besides, although Kaku was stronger, the marines don't really know who beat who. They only know that Sanji was in the sea train and beat the crap out of the marines.

Since zoro had a bounty for a long time and sangi didn't. If Sanji get a higher bounty for a little while, it will put them even ^^

As for Usopp, Chopper, Name, I don't think they should get a bounty. There'll be too many bounties to keep track of, it'll get boring. What's the point of mentioning a 30m-50m bounty when you got luffy and robin with really high bounty?

[odlam]

I think Sanji will get a bounty higher than Zoro. Everybody knows that Sanji and Zoro are about the strength (They both beat 2 cp9 of only 20 dourki of difference). Besides, although Kaku was stronger, the marines don't really know who beat who. They only know that Sanji was in the sea train and beat the crap out of the marines.

Since zoro had a bounty for a long time and sangi didn't. If Sanji get a higher bounty for a little while, it will put them even ^^

As for Usopp, Chopper, Name, I don't think they should get a bounty. There'll be too many bounties to keep track of, it'll get boring. What's the point of mentioning a 30m-50m bounty when you got luffy and robin with really high bounty?

They are seeing Robin, Franky, Nami, and Zoro kicking captain ass, but Sanji is off saving the day as usual. And as you've said, they have no clue who beat up who in CP9. I wouldn't surprise me if Sanji somehow misses his chance at getting a bounty again, or at least getting a very high one.

[Refii]

Look, like I said, while Sanji should technically get a higher bounty, it would ruin the series for too many fans if he did. Most non-highschool level fans (I assume the majority in Japan) have Zoro as their second favorite character, and Sanji as the third, and would not appreciate deep story telling elements where Zoro may not have the higher bounty now, but in the big picture he will have the second highest bounty.
As far as who beat who, CP9 isn't dead so they'll be expected to report what happened to the WG before being demoted/fired (I doubt executed, I mean the WG is bad… but their not evil. For the most part, they protect the innocent after all).

To give Sanji a higher bounty than Zoro is like making Brock the protagonist in pokemon.. (I know sorry, not a great example).

as for..

Other than that, I agree with you Ace. Arlong is the only other exept Luchi that is all about power.
Buggy had his fruit, Black had his speed, Krieg his armor, Croc and Enel their fruits. Wapol, Mr3 and Foxy too.
Luchis fruit only gives him power.

-Krieg was incredibly powerful without his armor as well, I doubt the argument that his armor was what protected him holds..
-Enel's devil fruit was completely nulled when he fought Luffy, thus there is no reason to give him the excuse that he had a "fruit" that made him stronger.
-Crocodiles biggest power was his brains, not really his fruit. The fruit just made him nearly invincible from suicide bombers/terrorists/anyone trying to take him out since there was no way to take out the entire corporation (for example those 5 warriors that drank the water..)
-And finally Foxy was pretty tactical as well, he did use his fruit a lot, but for the most part it was his ship that was the weapon of his choice, not the noro noro beam.

[freedom]

@Refii:

as for..
-Krieg was incredibly powerful without his armor as well, I doubt the argument that his armor was what protected him holds..
-Enel's devil fruit was completely nulled when he fought Luffy, thus there is no reason to give him the excuse that he had a "fruit" that made him stronger.
-Crocodiles biggest power was his brains, not really his fruit. The fruit just made him nearly invincible from suicide bombers/terrorists/anyone trying to take him out since there was no way to take out the entire corporation (for example those 5 warriors that drank the water..)
-And finally Foxy was pretty tactical as well, he did use his fruit a lot, but for the most part it was his ship that was the weapon of his choice, not the noro noro beam.

I'm in agreement with you with almost everything. I don't think Kreig was powerful at all. Do I think he's stronger than the average person w/o his armor, yes, but at the same time, how long do you think he'd last against Luffy with all his other gadgets minus his armor? My guess is nowhere near as long as he did with it.

[Elastic_Swindler]

@Refii:

-Enel's devil fruit was completely nulled when he fought Luffy,

Eneru had the strongest fruit I can think to exist, unless some time control fruit with much greater scope than Foxy's appears. He was just tactically very immature and just about locked up when he couldn't find out an easy way to handle a fruit that his perceived god-powers didn't do much against. It shows he had never had a hard fight in his life and didn't know how to get serious when push comes to shove.

Although, it seems in the OP-verse lightning doesn't amount to much… Didn't Eneru do something like 20-200 million volt releases? The electricity in that kind of situations would reach a temperature of over twenty five thousand degrees (Celsius, 40k+ Fahrenheit), five times hotter than the sun, instantly disintegrating the whole sky island - and definitely killing anyone up there, lest they have a suitable elemental ability of their own. If the lightning ability followed the real world physics, Eneru would have probably destroyed the world single-handedly (or made it inhabitable for humans).

Continuing in the spirit of the manga physics, beating an elemental ability like Eneru's should already be worth several hundreds of millions. Double anything he'll be assigned from the Enies Lobby trip, I'd guess.

[Refii]

True.. true.. (particularly the last part about the bounty) but keeping in the spirit of the manga physics, Luffy was non-the-less not affected by this god-like power and yet Enel still posed a threat That's all I'm trying to prove.

[bedrock]

I wished the chewing out of long gone enemies would stop, they have nothing to do with the coming bounty developement.

As for my guess at the coming bounties, I think it is useles to speculate in detail as we do not know how the ongoing bustercall will be defeated - this might have tremendous impact to individual bounties (would you like nami getting a bounty 2nd only to Luffy? ).
Overall I would go for very high bounties, and I have no problem with Luffy topping shichibukai-level after what he and his crew have done.
In the sum I hope for a chapter like
THE BILLION BERRY PIRATES

[Robin Stjernberg]

@Refii:

-Krieg was incredibly powerful without his armor as well, I doubt the argument that his armor was what protected him holds..
-Enel's devil fruit was completely nulled when he fought Luffy, thus there is no reason to give him the excuse that he had a "fruit" that made him stronger.
-Crocodiles biggest power was his brains, not really his fruit. The fruit just made him nearly invincible from suicide bombers/terrorists/anyone trying to take him out since there was no way to take out the entire corporation (for example those 5 warriors that drank the water..)
-And finally Foxy was pretty tactical as well, he did use his fruit a lot, but for the most part it was his ship that was the weapon of his choice, not the noro noro beam.

If I say it like this then - Krieg's gimmick was his weapons and armor.
How long do you think he would could handle Luffy without them?

And how can you say that his fruit powers were nulled? How could he fly the ship without it (a big part of the fight was to get up to it), how would he fight with the gold (create the ball on Luffy and make other weapon to fight him) and didn't Oda say that Ener's mantra was so good 'cause his fruit?
Without the fruit, Ener would be nothing.

I agree with you on Croc, but, without the fruit, he wouldn't be much of a deal for Luffy either.
Yes, Foxy did mention that a fight and a game of (what ever the game they did play was named) is a lot diffrent. Foxy wouldn't stand a chance against Luffy for a ´half minute outside his ship. But his fruit gave him the ability to use his ship to max.

[cdjgamer]

it did not make since that sanji did not get a poster after beating bon clay
it with be lower that zoro new price most likely

[Robin Stjernberg]

Uhm, since when does they know Bon's strenght? (I do not that the did put a bounty on him later, but meant before that XD) And, does they even know that Sanji did beat Bon? Probably not.

[_Bastard_]

:getlost: Maybe the Merry will get a bounty now too!!! :getlost:

[_Bastard_]

@freedom:

I'm in agreement with you with almost everything. I don't think Kreig was powerful at all. Do I think he's stronger than the average person w/o his armor, yes, but at the same time, how long do you think he'd last against Luffy with all his other gadgets minus his armor? My guess is nowhere near as long as he did with it.

I'd say probably two hits. Only one from Gear 2 or 3 for sure.

[_Bastard_]

@Elastic_Swindler:

Eneru had the strongest fruit I can think to exist, unless some time control fruit with much greater scope than Foxy's appears. He was just tactically very immature and just about locked up when he couldn't find out an easy way to handle a fruit that his perceived god-powers didn't do much against. It shows he had never had a hard fight in his life and didn't know how to get serious when push comes to shove.

Although, it seems in the OP-verse lightning doesn't amount to much… Didn't Eneru do something like 20-200 million volt releases? The electricity in that kind of situations would reach a temperature of over twenty five thousand degrees (Celsius, 40k+ Fahrenheit), five times hotter than the sun, instantly disintegrating the whole sky island - and definitely killing anyone up there, lest they have a suitable elemental ability of their own. If the lightning ability followed the real world physics, Eneru would have probably destroyed the world single-handedly (or made it inhabitable for humans).

Continuing in the spirit of the manga physics, beating an elemental ability like Eneru's should already be worth several hundreds of millions. Double anything he'll be assigned from the Enies Lobby trip, I'd guess.

It's been mentioned a hundred times already, but I'm not sure that Enel can handle Ace or Smoker. I'm not sure what effect lightning can have on either of them. He could probably defeat Aokiji though since lightning can make a lot of heat (but this is OP where everything and nothing holds true - I know this is a contradictory statement :getlost: ).

Also, like you said, he's never had a really hard fight. I bet most of the Shichibukai could take him on too because they are probably all tougher than him (speculation).

One of these super OP knowledge folks on here mentioned Enel's bounty if he was on the Blue Sea. Oda supposedly said it would be like 500 mil beli. I am not going to look it up, but maybe you might want to if you are curious.

[Elric]

what's the deal? Luffy won't get a bounty for eneru anyway.

[Zep3]

@Elastic_Swindler:

Although, it seems in the OP-verse lightning doesn't amount to much… Didn't Eneru do something like 20-200 million volt releases? The electricity in that kind of situations would reach a temperature of over twenty five thousand degrees (Celsius, 40k+ Fahrenheit), five times hotter than the sun, instantly disintegrating the whole sky island - and definitely killing anyone up there, lest they have a suitable elemental ability of their own. If the lightning ability followed the real world physics, Eneru would have probably destroyed the world single-handedly (or made it inhabitable for humans).

Look at it this way, maybe Enel can generate such voltages with little intensity.

[boynextdoor]

One of these super OP knowledge folks on here mentioned Enel's bounty if he was on the Blue Sea. Oda supposedly said it would be like 500 mil beli. I am not going to look it up, but maybe you might want to if you are curious.

i think enel will probably go to blue sea eventualy after realizing it was nothing for him in moon,then it will be a very big problem for the world goverment having enel so they would give him a bounty of 500 mil beli..

[Voodzik]

@boynextdoor:

One of these super OP knowledge folks on here mentioned Enel's bounty if he was on the Blue Sea. Oda supposedly said it would be like 500 mil beli. I am not going to look it up, but maybe you might want to if you are curious.

i think enel will probably go to blue sea eventualy after realizing it was nothing for him in moon,then it will be a very big problem for the world goverment having enel so they would give him a bounty of 500 mil beli..
We know for certain there's nothing for him on the moon?

Again it may have been a mistranslation but…he did say "I want to return to the sky island I was born on..."

[_Bastard_]

@Voodzik:

i think enel will probably go to blue sea eventualy after realizing it was nothing for him in moon,then it will be a very big problem for the world goverment having enel so they would give him a bounty of 500 mil beli..

We know for certain there's nothing for him on the moon?

Again it may have been a mistranslation but…he did say "I want to return to the sky island I was born on..."

I thought his homeland was Bilka, and he already blew it up. He's such a weirdo though, maybe his brain came from the moon and the rest came from Bilka.

[freedom]

WOW! this thread is spiraling off-topic

Anyways, about Eneru's potential bounty, take a look here. Greg was nice enough to translate the juicy stuff.

Ok, back on topic:
Going Merry's bounty: $1,000M Berri :silly::silly: The ship is indestructable!!!

[kljs]

Merry IS the Pirate King…..
lol

I still stick to my B400mil on Luffy's head.....

reason, because if Luffy gets a bounty higher than Don's former bounty, guess what kind of reaction will that get?

[Vanessa]

@Robin:

Uhm, since when does they know Bon's strenght? (I do not that the did put a bounty on him later, but meant before that XD) And, does they even know that Sanji did beat Bon? Probably not.

Out of the whole Baroque Works, the only ones that were well-known outside of the organization were Crocodile and Mr. 1. It's not too surprising Sanji didn't get a bounty for beating Bon Clay. Besides Bon Clay managed to get away to take the ship from them. Daz Bones was knocked out cold.

[Voodzik]

@_Bastard_:

We know for certain there's nothing for him on the moon?

Again it may have been a mistranslation but…he did say "I want to return to the sky island I was born on..."

I thought his homeland was Bilka, and he already blew it up. He's such a weirdo though, maybe his brain came from the moon and the rest came from Bilka.

Wait a minute….I didn't post what you just quoted me saying there, did I?
?_? Sure as hell isn't what I think.

[bedrock]

It seems that everything is done and the crew got away from the bustercall for good in the last chapter. We now can see clearly what every Strawhat has done in the last years (our time) / last days (Oda-time) and this might be the last chance for an educated guess about their prospective bounties.
So here I go:

Luffy: 300 - 400 millions
as the captain he holds the resposibility for the assault and destruction of Ennies Lobby; he declared open war to the World (only half an hour away from the Marine HQ); he assembled the only two people in the world in his crew who have the potential to revive (and build) ancient weapons. He personally defeated about 1000 marines in his dash through the island, eliminated an elite CP9 killer (Blueno), and finally took down Lucci (a 800 year fighting legend in CP9 history), all in a row. Aokiji said in their first meeting, that the WG isn´t taking the strawhats serious - this sould have changed now . His personal strength and his threat level to the government should be rated top now, especially as they can not be sure about his motivation concerning the ancient weapons. From this perspective his bounty could even be higher (600 m?) as I doubt that any of the know Shichibukai ever posed a bigger potential threat for the WG.

Zoro: 200 - 240 millions
major part of the fighting against 200 marine HQ captains, defeating Kaku, battling through Ennies Lobby (jurors, etc.), impressive performance in the train-hunt.

Sanji: 120 millions
defeating Jabura, battling throug Ennies Lobby (jurors, …), single handed assault on the Puffing Tom. This might be one of the highest "first-bounties" ever ...

Robin: 120 millions
still the only one who can read the glyphs, and now she ist with a crew that could utilize this knowledge if she is not stopped. Besides she showed her strength against the 200 captains.

Nami: 80 millions
defeating Kalifa, standing her own against the captains and in the assault on Ennies Lobby, she will now be watched as one of the main fighting force of the strawhats.

Ussop: 30 - 60 millions
this one is really hard to guess, he didn´t defeat someone prominent, but his role was outstanding in many other ways during this incident (sniping, giants, burning the flag, ...)

Chopper: 30 - 60 millions
defeating of a CP9 member should assure this much as 60 millions, but the circumstances were a bit special, so I find it hard to guess, besides he foiled the assasination of Iceburg (very spectacular), putting the WG in a major pinch ...

Franky: 80 - 120 millions
same as Robin, the WG can not be sure if he burned the real plans or if there exists a copy somewhere, in any case he must be considered "superhuman" (testified by Lucci).

[cdjgamer]

only 1-3 chapters till we find out

[odlam]

Honestly, I think people are going a bit overboard with the bounty figures - even after this whole fiasco, it doesn't mean thier bounty figures are going to triple or quadruple like some people are saying. Luffy went up 70 million for bringing down a member of the Shichibaki, I'd say he'll probably go up another 100-150 million for this mess.

I'm gonna say

Luffy = 200-250 million
Zoro = 120-180 million
Robin = 100-160 million
Sanji = 60-90 million (no pre-existing bounty, and his work with the whirlpools will go unknown, while the rest get points for captains)
Franky = 50-80 million

[bedrock]

@odlam:

Honestly, I think people are going a bit overboard with the bounty figures …

Might easily be …
But if so, i would be really interested what for example the Shichibukai have done in their pirate-days to deserve > 300 million bounties? Or the great pirates (Whitebeard and the likes)? Did they fuck up the Marine HQ on a regular basis? Or take down the former Shichibukai by the dozend? And if so, how did the WG then survive the past twenty years? Could become an interesting discussion.
To my opinion, what happend at EL must be sthg. quite extraordinary => resulting in an extraordinary bounty.

But like cdjgamer wrote "only 1-3 chapters till we find out"

[kljs]

the threat now is the fear that the Strawhats will revived the ancient weapons…....... that's what the World Government might be thinking....
it FAR outweights what any Shichibukai did in the past.......
isn't it?

or people still want to believe that Pluton is just overated?
or Poseidon is nothing more than just a normal ship?

if
1. the world government goes to great lengths to wipe out the people that can read the ancient text, shows that the World Government ARE afraid of the ancient weapons.
2. that they are willing to sacrifice hundreds of people for the sake of millions of others. (although I don't know how they justify that action, is beyond me).
3. that they want to use the ancient weapons for themselves, speak of some level of world dominance in their own master plan.

so, if for one, a pirate crew that only enter the grandline for like about 2 to 3 months, and already beat the crap out of one of the Shichibukai, and now invaded and survived a fully armed, fully backup government island......

what do you think those high ups are going to think?

are they going to think...
"Oh, this is nothing compare to what some of the Shichibukai did?"

or are they going to think
"Oh my god. the last person in this world that could read the ancient text and another that could possibly build the ancient weapons. this is serious!"
(or something like that....)

ok, here is what I am going to ask.... what DO you think if you are in this kind of situation : where you are the President, and there is someone(s) out there with the knowledge of using a super weapon that would wiped out the whole world?
what would YOU do?

[Zep3]

IMO 300 million for Luffy is just fine, he would get below DoFlamingo and slightly over Kuma. It would be like Oda saying: "Forget it, Luffy won't fight Kuma".

@odlam:

Honestly, I think people are going a bit overboard with the bounty figures - even after this whole fiasco, it doesn't mean thier bounty figures are going to triple or quadruple like some people are saying. Luffy went up 70 million for bringing down a member of the Shichibaki, I'd say he'll probably go up another 100-150 million for this mess.

Remember Kokoro's words when the StrawHats began the attack to Enies Lobby. Luffy will become famous for sure, but those words are probably foreshadowing a huge bounty increase.

[Falcon]

I honestly think that the government is more afraid of the void history becoming known than the weapons being resurrected. To that end I suspect that Robin will continue to have the second highest bounty, right below Luffy's, with Zoro coming in at #3.

[MasterLag]

Oi oi wanst Crocodiles bounty 80 million before was a Shichibukai and if everyone in mugiwara team gets over 80(or almost all)million bounty and franky joining them that would mean they would have their own Hachibukai runnin ;_;

[RobLucci]

@Zep3:

Remember Kokoro's words when the StrawHats began the attack to Enies Lobby. Luffy will become famous for sure, but those words are probably foreshadowing a huge bounty increase.

I agree, Oda didn't have her say that for nothing.

[Sazelyt]

@odlam:

Honestly, I think people are going a bit overboard with the bounty figures - even after this whole fiasco, it doesn't mean thier bounty figures are going to triple or quadruple like some people are saying. Luffy went up 70 million for bringing down a member of the Shichibaki,..

You are forgetting Luffy at that time was not an actual threat to the government; there was no Robin, no direct attack on WG, no destroying a very important place for WG, no beating highly regarded WG officials, no escaping WG's buster call, and no risk of bringing together two people that can revive the two most powerful weapons (that maybe the WG fears the most).

Luffy as the captain, is the most responsible person for achieving such success(!).

Also, note that, the strength of the person Luffy beat was maybe worth of 200-300 million bounty, if he were to be a criminal.

If you add all those together, I think it won't be surprising if Luffy got a bounty of at least 500 million. That value does not only represent the strength, but also the potential threat. And, honestly, I don't think there is a bigger threat than the Strawhats to WG, at the moment.

[FireFistAce 0]

I think Oda said in an SBS if Croc had been put in the Shichibukai later than sooner, his bounty would be much higher. Thank god Enel never decided to go the Blue Sea… he'd be the worst Shichibukai, next to Mihawk...

Anyway, I think their bounties will be increased high enough to attract the Whitebeard Corps, which is exactly what Kuzan wants.

Also, Usopp is his nephew, and Wiper will join the crew next. (I just made that up).

Btw, no villian since Arlong took more punishment from Luffy than Lucci. So I doubt Lucci's bounty would be any lower than 400-500 million.