Chapter 903: The Fifth Emperor

[Shadow5963]

Seems to me that luffy's "readiness" to be an emperor is irrelevant, no matter how much people argue he is not ready, the reality is his been hype by morgans, he has a fleet and claimed territories(Fishman Island) and within a moth probably less(inside the OP universe) he will be credited with orchestrating Kaido's downfall, inside the op universe Luffy is effectively an emperor and before the hype dies down there will be no Kaido.

As for sanji's raid suit,I hope is just a gag so that whem he caves in and use it, it is just a regular tuxedo with the germa logo and he gets mad.Also I seriously doubt his bounty will be higher than Zoro's for long, I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter there is a raise for Zoro.

[Spacehippy]

One thing I loved about this chapter is how well it all fits together and makes sense even if we with better knowledge don't agree. We know Luffy didn't plan out the assassination attempt but with the way the bomb was in the Tamatebako from way back when it got sent from Fishman Island it looks to outsiders that this has been a long time in the making.

[otakufan]

@BingBang:

I just remember when GolD.Ace22, Melker, Razh, Watch-Man, Sereques, accesstimeco, SeaofHope, Lord Monkey D, Blissed, otakufan, Megaman and a large list of people in this forum claimed constantly that i was wrong. Raid suit finally is coming! That proves that Sanji needed an upgrade to fight stronger enemies (maybe Admiral levels?). Strawhats are a new generation of pirates more related to technologies (like us Millenials) who takes also the bests things from "old school" pirates. Thanks for the support!

For my part, I was wrong. Mea culpa.

Still don't see how it advances his skill set, though, or why he would even want to use it given his utter disdain for his father/brothers (which the chapter seems to bear out). I'm leaning toward Usopp and Franky getting their hands on it, personally.

[MarcelloF]

Great chapter. This was the most exciting bounty bump since Water 7. The two after that felt small and kinda insignificant for Luffy at least. Usopp reaching 200 million was great, too, though.

Also, I saw this and found it funny:

[Kaptayn]

What a chapter!!
Luffy is an emperor!!
Sanji has a higher bounty than Zoro!! And a suit!!*
Let's go!!

(* I'm glad he has this suit by the way, it means he'll get stronger and will have a more varied move pool overall. Been waiting for a power up since Punk Hazard, really)

[Megaman]

Sanji getting a raid suit really belittles everything the vinsmokes have done to him. He's going to wear the suit made by the man that killed his mother? The brothers that tortured him daily? It completely destroys his character and goes against the original message of Sanji not needing them.

People are saying he will have to use it when someones in danger, yet all that training he did for 12 years of his life, and instead has to resort to a suit from the family he hates as a reminder that he isn't strong enough without their help. Plus he loses his epithet that connects him to Zeff. Talk about destroying a character.

Maybe Akainu should send his uniform to Luffy and have Luffy wear that too. Or have Arlong send his Hawaiian shirt to Nami.

[MrPecans]

@AvocadoInTheRain:

I've seen this sort of comment pop up several times now. Was it really a wide-held stance that Nami wouldn't keep Zeus? What would have been the point of this page then, if Zeus was just going to leave?

[HIDE]

[qimg]http://images.mymangalist.org/mangas/one_piece/one_piece_890/one_piece_890_17.jpg[/qimg][/HIDE]

It seemed pretty cut and dry to me.

Look I really wanted it to happen, but I know better than to count on anything awesome for the female cast.

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@otakufan:

Moria, sure - we haven't seen him yet, but I seem to recall someone mentioning that he was still alive. Given how much the WG screwed him over post-Marineford, I fully expect he spent the last two years getting his groove back, so I fully expect to see him show up at some point.

Enel's a mystery, though. I'd love for him to make a comeback, but we don't really know anything about what he's been up to on the moon for the past two years…

Not knowing is fine, but to me it’s clear that he’ll enter the narrative again.

[otakufan]

@Megaman:

Sanji getting a raid suit really belittles everything the vinsmokes have done to him. He's going to wear the suit made by the man that killed his mother? The brothers that tortured him daily? It completely destroys his character and goes against the original message of Sanji not needing them.

People are saying he will have to use it when someones in danger, yet all that training he did for 12 years of his life, and instead has to resort to a suit from the family he hates as a reminder that he isn't strong enough without their help. Plus he loses his epithet that connects him to Zeff. Talk about destroying a character.

Maybe Akainu should send his uniform to Luffy and have Luffy wear that too. Or have Arlong send his Hawaiian shirt to Nami.

Sanji hasn't lost the "Black Leg" epithet. They don't put "Strawhat Luffy" on the wanted posters, they put "Monkey D. Luffy". Sanji has always just been listed as "Sanji" on his bounty poster, all that happened is that they tacked on the Vinsmoke name, which got the focus for plot reasons.

As to the raid suit itself, we don't know what's going to come of it yet, and Sanji's vehement distaste for his father's work seems pretty evident in the chapter itself. Until we're shown otherwise, I'm leaning toward Usopp and Franky dismantling the thing to harvest it for new tech.

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@MrPecans:

Not knowing is fine, but to me it’s clear that he’ll enter the narrative again.

Hmm. I'm not seeing it yet, but to be fair, it's been a long time since I went over the Enel coverstory… Might just be missing some signs.

Regardless, I'd love for the guy to descend upon the New World thinking there's no one other than that bizarre Rubber-man who can stand up to him, only to get a haki-imbued fist to the face.

[Jabra]

@Megaman:

Sanji getting a raid suit really belittles everything the vinsmokes have done to him. He's going to wear the suit made by the man that killed his mother? The brothers that tortured him daily? It completely destroys his character and goes against the original message of Sanji not needing them.

People are saying he will have to use it when someones in danger, yet all that training he did for 12 years of his life, and instead has to resort to a suit from the family he hates as a reminder that he isn't strong enough without their help. Plus he loses his epithet that connects him to Zeff. Talk about destroying a character.

Maybe Akainu should send his uniform to Luffy and have Luffy wear that too. Or have Arlong send his Hawaiian shirt to Nami.

They gave him the raid suit of his dead mother and Sanji will be honoring her by using it!

!

Since Vinsmoke Sola's raid suit naturally resembles a dress (see Raiju), Sanji will also remember some stuff from his timeskip training and whip out some Okama Kenpo.

The Technokama Blackleg style is born!

[Chams]

@MarcelloF:

Also, I saw this and found it funny:
https://abload.de/img/15248496805061jrujb.png

This is perfection. Make Tottoland sweet again

[Megaman]

@otakufan:

Sanji hasn't lost the "Black Leg" epithet. They don't put "Strawhat Luffy" on the wanted posters, they put "Monkey D. Luffy". All that happened is that they tacked on the Vinsmoke name to "Sanji", which got all the focus for plot reasons.

As to the raid suit itself, we don't know what's going to come of it yet, and Sanji's vehement distaste for his father's work seems pretty evident in the chapter itself. Until we're shown otherwise, I'm leaning toward Usopp and Franky dismantling the thing to harvest it for new tech.

Characters may start referring to him as Vinsmoke instead of Black Leg from now on, as that's a more famous name in the New World.

I'm also disappointed in how Oda still hasn't told the crew a thing about what the vinsmokes have done to him and now the crew is encouraging him to use it. Like would Nami still be saying anything if she knew Judge killed his mom? I feel like these details and their crimes have been ignored by Oda and he's just trying to paint the vinsmokes as heroic because of their 1 good deed ever since the tea party.

[Blissed]

Maybe people shouldn't jump to conclusions and see how Oda handles the raid suit. The way some of you guys are acting, it's as if Oda didn't make it clear that he still detests his family.

[Ping]

So when will we have the next Chapter? Next week as usual?

[All Fiction]

@Melker:

Pfft copying me much? Here is my repost!

About Sanji and the raid suit:
This is a story. If something happens/is presented, it usually is for a reason. This has significance, whether if you like the idea or not - Sanji might be suiting up at some point. I myself would have, prior to this, shrugged off the idea (although not completely denying the possibility).

With that said, I would say the significance of the suit is this to the story:

A) It is a tool for Sanji to use; something to enhance his combat abilities. If he ever does use it, I imagine it would be to save Nami and/or Robin in a serious situation, where lives’ are at stake. That’s just my personal speculation if it were to happen
B) It is a way for Oda to tell us his biological family respects him, and dare I say, see him as one of them? While Sanji, at this time, does not have mutual feelings in that regard, will perhaps at one point ”forgive them”/simply be neutral about their past history. In this case, the raid suit is more of a symbolic thing to the story and possibly won’t be used.

C) Both of the above.

D) Or, the most obvious: it has a 3 written on it. You guessed it. Mr. 3 is about to get even more lit.

Oh, I didn't notice your post in the spoiler thread. Didn't read the thread entirely. Then again, it's not an uncommon line of thought.

[Megaman]

@Blissed:

Maybe people shouldn't jump to conclusions and see how Oda handles the raid suit. The way some of you guys are acting, it's as if Oda didn't make it clear that he still detests his family.

Yet his crew is encouraging him to wear it, ignoring everything that family has done to him. And when he does it wear it cause he's "forced to in order to save someone", how does that make all his training look when in the end he needs to resort to using the suit of the family he hates? So Judge was right about his technology and Sanji being a failure then?

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Ping:

So when will we have the next Chapter? Next week as usual?

Two weeks from now. 903 will be officially released two Mondays from now.

[otakufan]

@Megaman:

Characters may start referring to him as Vinsmoke instead of Black Leg from now on, as that's a more famous name in the New World.

Pirate A: Well if it isn't Vinsmoke San- Boot to the face
Pirate B: Vinsmoke! I'm here for my reven- Boot to the face
Pirate Vinsmoke Sanji! I'm a huge fa- Boot to the face

~Six weeks later~

Pirate Hey, Vinsmoke Sanji's been spotted in the next town over…
Pirate E: Idiot! Don't call him by that name! Haven't you heard what he does to people who call him that?!

@Megaman:

I'm also disappointed in how Oda still hasn't told the crew a thing about what the vinsmokes have done to him and now the crew is encouraging him to use it. Like would Nami still be saying anything if she knew Judge killed his mom? I feel like these details and their crimes have been ignored by Oda and he's just trying to paint the vinsmokes as heroic because of their 1 good deed ever since the tea party.

I don't think he's papering over their past deeds so much as he's leaving an opening for the Vinsmokes to change their ways. Judge is a bastard through and through, but he's been made to swallow his pride a fair bit with the failed Big Mom alliance and being put so blatantly in debt to his greatest "failure" of a son, so I think he may well be forced to seriously reexamine his worldview before too much longer. That may not result in him becoming a nice guy, but I can see a softening around the edges and a chance to start repenting for his crimes.

Besides, something needs to happen to give Reiju a better lot in life. I'd say she's had it almost as bad as Sanji did, albeit in a different, less overt way.

@Ping:

So when will we have the next Chapter? Next week as usual?

This is Golden Week, which means to expect a break. The chapter we just got was earlier than expected, but the publisher's still taking a week off.

[Artur]

@kevo_koma:

Hey that was actually a really good and insighful anaylsis. Normally I would have subjected myself to listening to the One Piece podcast to get those insights. So thanks and please post more.

I think more people should check it out. Maybe post some of the points here?

I've done one for each of the past 100-or so chapters actually https://thelibraryofohara.com/chapter-secrets/

[Nilitch]

If he's the "5th emperor" does that mean that no one excepts yonkous have a higher bounty than him ?
I mean, how could he be nicknamed as such if there was a pirate who isn't a yonkou with a greater bounty ?

[.access timeco.]

@BingBang:

I just remember when GolD.Ace22, Melker, Razh, Watch-Man, Sereques, accesstimeco, SeaofHope, Lord Monkey D, Blissed, otakufan, Megaman and a large list of people in this forum claimed constantly that i was wrong.

Not that I keep a list of what I say, but I am pretty sure I never did that - even though I was hoping Oda would never give Sanji a suit. Never bothered, never will.

@MarcelloF:

Also, I saw this and found it funny:
https://abload.de/img/15248496805061jrujb.png

I want this to be canon.

[otakufan]

@Nilitch:

If he's the "5th emperor" does that mean that no one excepts yonkous have a higher bounty than him ?
I mean, how could he be nicknamed as such if there was a pirate who isn't a yonkou with a greater bounty ?

There might be other non-Yonkou with higher bounties, but they're probably underlings of someone else (a Yonkou, the Revolutionaries, etc.), while Luffy's the "head of a faction" unto himself.

[Melker]

@All:

Oh, I didn't notice your post in the spoiler thread. Didn't read the thread entirely. Then again, it's not an uncommon line of thought.

Pfft you are lucky I didn’t trademark it!

[.access timeco.]

What defines an Emperor of the Seas, though? Luffy is sailing the new world, has formed alliances with many powerful groups, has other crews subordinate to him, a fleet that amounts to thousands and even a kingdom under his protection that sees itself as his territory (even though this one is still unknown to the WG).

In every sense Luffy is an Emperor already, it feel more like Morgans just acknowledged what Luffy already is than elevated him to this level. Morgans is basically saying "btw, in case you people didn't notice, there is already a fifth emperor on the Grand Line". He is a baby Emperor, but an Emperor nonetheless.

[Blissed]

@Megaman:

Yet his crew is encouraging him to wear it, ignoring everything that family has done to him. And when he does it wear it cause he's "forced to in order to save someone", how does that make all his training look when in the end he needs to resort to using the suit of the family he hates? So Judge was right about his technology and Sanji being a failure then?

His crew doesn't even know the details of what happened to him, as Sanji never told them. All you got now is the typical suspects who love cool things, Luffy and Chopper, unsurprisingly wanting him to put on the suit. Big whoop. That's not a crime on their part, especially since Sanji never went into detail about his past.

And Judge/Niji giving him the suit essentially symbolizes that all for their bluster post-870, they no longer see him as one. Being handed a raid suit is a big deal, regardless of whether Sanji actually ends up using it, this act solidifies that Sanji never needed to do one last big thing to gain his family's respect before the arc ended. It's just that they'll never admit it with words, at least not anytime soon. I don't really care if Sanji uses it or not, and obviously understand why some are instinctively against the thought of it happening. But at the same time, again, Oda clearly isn't just handwaving it away, as shown by Sanji's current feelings concerning his family.

If people are thinking that it's impossible for Oda to have Sanji go down this route and have it be executed well when all is said and done, clearly Oda feels differently.

[joesephes]

I'm so glad to see Cody again in the manga after all this time!

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Jakisuaki:

So, err, is Luffy officially recognized as a yonkou or is that just an embellishment by Morgans? I see it the same way as Blackbeard, he's not ready for the title of yonkou just yet. I rather enjoy Luffy and the strawhat pirates being the underdog in the series.

Blackbeard: "Bitch, I had to go whole hog on the Whitebeard Pirates before they considered me a Yonko, and people are calling you one for running around and beating two commanders? Zehahahaha, please!"

[otakufan]

@.access:

What defines an Emperor of the Seas, though? Luffy is sailing the new world, has formed alliances with many powerful groups, has other crews subordinate to him, a fleet that amounts to thousands and even a kingdom under his protection that sees itself as his territory (even though this one is still unknown to the WG).

In every sense Luffy is an Emperor already, it feel more like Morgans just acknowledged what Luffy already is than elevated him to this level. Morgans is basically saying "btw, in case you people didn't notice, there is already a fifth emperor on the Grand Line". He is a baby Emperor, but an Emperor nonetheless.

There's also the issue of being recognized as such by the public.

Even if he's technically meeting the requirements to be an Emperor, no one will consider him one if they don't know about it. By contrast, if the masses are considering him an Emperor, even his greatest detractors (the original Yonkou, the World Government) will be forced to take him more seriously.

Truth be told, that's probably how becoming Pirate King works too.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

Wano will be all about transformations. The zoans of kaidou into whatever fruit they got, luffy into gear 4, sanji into super germa sentai, minks into sulong mode, zoro into asura, chopper, franky, momonosuke.

[Megaman]

@Blissed:

His crew doesn't even know the details of what happened to him, as Sanji never told them. All you got now is the typical suspects who love cool things, Luffy and Chopper, unsurprisingly wanting him to put on the suit. Big whoop. That's not a crime on their part, especially since Sanji never went into detail about his past.

And Judge/Niji giving him the suit essentially symbolizes that all for their bluster post-870, they no longer see him as one. Being handed a raid suit is a big deal, regardless of whether Sanji actually ends up using it, this act solidifies that Sanji never needed to do one last big thing to gain his family's respect before the arc ended. It's just that they'll never admit it with words, at least not anytime soon. I don't really care if Sanji uses it or not, and obviously understand why some are instinctively against the thought of it happening. But at the same time, again, Oda clearly isn't just handwaving it away, as shown by Sanji's current feelings concerning his family.

If people are thinking that it's impossible for Oda to have Sanji go down this route and have it be executed well when all is said and done, clearly Oda feels differently.

As you said his crew doesn't know the details, which is why I feel if they did they wouldn't be so for him wearing the suit.

The suit goes a lot against what Sanji has said about him not needing them and not being a vinsmoke, and being ashamed of what they stand for. So for him to wear their uniform really steps on those words. And then it's like what did he even train for when in the end he has to resort to their technology? May as well have just stayed with them instead of Zeff then.

Sanji probably will wear it, but that's the bad part. The chance of Oda executing this well is zero. He's most likely going to just wave off their crimes and have Sanji forgive them or spin it in some way that him wearing it is not a bad thing.

[FelRes]

@.access:

What defines an Emperor of the Seas, though? Luffy is sailing the new world, has formed alliances with many powerful groups, has other crews subordinate to him, a fleet that amounts to thousands and even a kingdom under his protection that sees itself as his territory (even though this one is still unknown to the WG).

In every sense Luffy is an Emperor already, it feel more like Morgans just acknowledged what Luffy already is than elevated him to this level. Morgans is basically saying "btw, in case you people didn't notice, there is already a fifth emperor on the Grand Line". He is a baby Emperor, but an Emperor nonetheless.

I think the most important part of being an emperor here is the ability to gain followers en mass and establish territories. Should obviously be able to defend territory in whatever way. I imagine an emperor doesn't actually have to be strong themselves as long as they're influential enough to gain strong followers to fight for him. But now I'm delving into my personal wish that Gol D Roger was secretly weak. But yeah Morgans can see Luffy has the makings for becoming an emperor and is fueling the fire.

[Blissed]

@Megaman:

The chance of Oda executing this well is zero.

Well alright, if you say so.

[MrPecans]

@otakufan:

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Hmm. I'm not seeing it yet, but to be fair, it's been a long time since I went over the Enel coverstory... Might just be missing some signs.

Regardless, I'd love for the guy to descend upon the New World thinking there's no one other than that bizarre Rubber-man who can stand up to him, only to get a haki-imbued fist to the face.

You don't buy the Enel-found-an-Ancient-Weapon-theory? To me that one was always up there with Sabo-is-alive and Buggy-is-a-Shichibukai

[Nilitch]

I wish that Crocodile gets such a bounty one day. He's got the charisma for it.

[Megaman]

@Blissed:

Well alright, if you say so.

I look at how WCI ended, so yeah not trusting him with stuff regarding Sanji.

[Nilitch]

@Blissed:

Well alright, if you say so.

To me, it sounds like he'll wear the suit only once. And it'll break or something like that

[otakufan]

@MrPecans:

You don't buy the Enel-found-an-Ancient-Weapon-theory? To me that one was always up there with Sabo-is-alive and Buggy-is-a-Shichibukai

I wouldn't say I don't buy it… Just haven't seen any real evidence one way or another. Though again, might just need to revisit the Enel coverstory - it's been literally years, so I may have forgotten something.

[Boing]

So Kyros clearly approves of Coby as a potential husband for Rebecca, and I saw someone point out that they mirror each other in their head scars, and in meeting their future partner while rescuing them from pirates, and coming out of water (I also saw someone say that Riku called Kyros hero, just as Kyros called Coby hero, but can't confirm).
Otp

[otakufan]

@Boing:

So Kyros clearly approves of Coby as a potential husband for Rebecca, and I saw someone point out that they mirror each other in their head scars, and in meeting their future partner while rescuing them from pirates, and coming out of water (I also saw someone say that Riku called Kyros hero, just as Kyros called Coby hero, but can't confirm).
Otp

…Dammit, now I'm starting to ship Koby/Rebecca.

Looking over the chapter again, I can totally envision them bonding over fan-boy/girl-ing out while telling each other how they know Luffy.

[Blissed]

@Nilitch:

To me, it sounds like he'll wear the suit only once. And it'll break or something like that

I don't see the point in it being a temporary power-up (Reminds me a little about how people felt about Zeus and Nami lol), much less it breaking, but I suppose it's not an impossibility for it to be a one-time thing.

[Coookie]

What also distinguishes Emperors from other pirates is that they're the closest to finding One Piece and in that regard, Luffy already surpassed Kaidou and Big Mom. I suppose Shanks is friendly with the Minks and has access to their Road Poneglyph if he feels like it and we don't know how far Blackbeard is. The Straw Hat Pirates are the only ones with two Road Poneglyphs in their pockets.

[AvocadoInTheRain]

@Maju:

Morgans saying that a "5th emperor has emerged" doesn't mean that he is an emperor now or that he is considered one, but that it's on his way to become one in the future..much like every new talented football player is "the new messi" , "the new iniesta", "the new gerrard" and so on…it doesn't mean they are already at the level of those champions..but that they resembles what those champions were at their age..the same way luffy has probably reached this level faster than some of the yonkou did.

I guess we'll see just how many people consider him the 5th emperor during the Reverie.

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@MrPecans:

Look I really wanted it to happen, but I know better than to count on anything awesome for the female cast.

Sulong happened just 2 chapters before that page.

[Game And Guy]

you know it isn't much of a yonkou any more where there's five of them
gokou doesn't sound too bad
although I doubt it and they'll just get rid of kaidou and luffy just walks into his place officially

[Sparsebeard]

Shanks saying they should meet soon seems like yet another death flag to me…

[Blissed]

Everything's a death flag to you guys lol

[imperioonepiece]

A death flag in One Piece… That is something.

[MrPecans]

@AvocadoInTheRain:

Sulong happened just 2 chapters before that page.

You're right, I've imagined the whole rest of the manga. My b.

[KzTxL7]

After Luffy getting the jump to 1.5 billion I think we need to see the reactions of all their home towns again.

Particularly Usopp's.

[Kaizoku_Ou]

Holly Fuck! I didn't expect such a high bounty this soon, After Kaido he is going 2+ Billions if not 3 or even 5 hahaa at this point it can be any number, Oda removed Luffy's limiter on bounties. lol I hope with such a huge bounty on his head he won't struggle with the likes of burelle and cesar who have nasty fruits. Mont'Dor also.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Boing:

So Kyros clearly approves of Coby as a potential husband for Rebecca, and I saw someone point out that they mirror each other in their head scars, and in meeting their future partner while rescuing them from pirates, and coming out of water (I also saw someone say that Riku called Kyros hero, just as Kyros called Coby hero, but can't confirm).
Otp

I'd feel sorry for any baby with those genes that wanted to become a great warrior

[King Cannon]

@Kaizoku_Ou:

Holly Fuck! I didn't expect such a high bounty this soon, After Kaido he is going 2+ Billions if not 3 or even 5 hahaa at this point it can be any number, Oda removed Luffy's limiter on bounties. lol I hope with such a huge bounty on his head he won't struggle with the likes of burelle and cesar who have nasty fruits. Mont'Dor also.

Honestly, I feel like he's gonna keep that bounty for a while. It's already immense and the amount of people with higher ones can probably be counted with your fingers.

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@Kaido:

I'd feel sorry for any baby with those genes that wanted to become a great warrior

He/She would have sick CoO though. Assuming it can be inherited.

And fabulous pink hair.