And I targeted SUDK.
Vote Lynch: SUDK
Got ya. Or are you one the elusive Town Miller Jailer? lol
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Something wasn't adding up with you. Every chance you got you went for me. It makes sense now.
And I targeted SUDK.
Vote Lynch: SUDK
Got ya. Or are you one the elusive Town Miller Jailer? lol
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Something wasn't adding up with you. Every chance you got you went for me. It makes sense now.
Thst doesnt make any sense.
You got jailed N1.
Femme died N1.
I had nothing to do with it.
Galaxy claimed the same.
NS said it wasnt him.
So if I got jailed tonight and Suk is mafia, shouldnt his partner have killed some of the other players to get this to 2-2.
In other words, how the fuck killed Femme?
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Who*
16 chars of correction
My question to everybody who's been "jailed" (since I'm literally the only person left alive–besides SUDK himself, of course--who hasn't been): did your PMs that you received that gave you the link to your place with SUDK ever specifically use the word "jailed", or say you've been targeted by the Jailer? If not, maybe there's something more to his ability, we were assuming it was a Jailer, and he played along with it. And maybe that's the case even if he actually is called a "Jailer".
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Actually, another question:
@Space: Did you and SUDK talk in your room last Night?
Yes. Let me just get to the pc and I'll give youbthe info.
The pm didntention Jail or Jailer
The Room in quicktopic wad called Jail Crll though
Thst doesnt make any sense.
You got jailed N1.
Femme died N1.
I had nothing to do with it.
Galaxy claimed the same.
NS said it wasnt him.So if I got jailed tonight and Suk is mafia, shouldnt his partner have killed some of the other players to get this to 2-2.
In other words, how the fuck killed Femme?
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Who*
16 chars of correction
Someone lied about their Night power.
@Wooden I need a full claim from you + all your targets on each Night. Are you bulletproof?
My question to everybody who's been "jailed" (since I'm literally the only person left alive–besides SUDK himself, of course--who hasn't been): did your PMs that you received that gave you the link to your place with SUDK ever specifically use the word "jailed", or say you've been targeted by the Jailer? If not, maybe there's something more to his ability, we were assuming it was a Jailer, and he played along with it. And maybe that's the case even if he actually is called a "Jailer".
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Actually, another question:
@Space: Did you and SUDK talk in your room last Night?
"You have been caught before performing your action and thrown into a cell with one other person."
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My quicktopic was called Jall Cell too, but Vor referred to it as a Jailer's cell.
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*"Jail Cell" (exact name)
Okay, cool, thanks guys. So, unless SUDK named the threads himself, had it super premeditated that he was gonna pretend to be a Jailer, and asked the mods to help him with the lie, guess his actual probable role is "Jailer", and perhaps it just comes with other special abilities.
I was going to suggest that, if Nectar's imprisonment was the only one where SUDK didn't talk, and Femme died the same Night, maybe there was a correlation that if the Jailer (or whatever he is) killed someone, they couldn't talk to their prisoner on that Night, but thinking about it again, that still feels overpowered if the Jailer could kill and jail in the same Night. It would make more sense for the Jailer to have a partner, but I can't of who that would be. The Jailer has, like I said, jailed everybody alive except for me, I'm definitely not his partner, and I don't get why he would jail his partner on any Night, unless it was to really throw off the Town or to keep them from being investigated or something.
@Nectar: Did your report about SUDK name him as a Mafia specifically, or just not Town-aligned, or what?
^ One word: "Guilty"
Okay, cool.
Well, then we should definitely lynch SUDK today, and have plans worked out for what to do for Night 5. We certainly have plenty of time to talk about it.
I won't do anything without listening to Woody's report and SUDK's defence.
By the way, I did try to shoot Woody tonight and couldn't, so I was effectively blocked.
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Someone lied about their Night power.
No shit.
The point is that unless Galaxy was a disguised mafia or Shuhan was some "I'm pretending to be a Town Miller but I'm actually the MAFIA MILLER, my death note was a fake." the game should have ended tonight.
Why should I trust your report more than the N1 facts?
I won't do anything without listening to Woody's report and SUDK's defence.
By the way, I did try to shoot Woody tonight and couldn't, so I was effectively blocked.
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No shit.
The point is that unless Galaxy was a disguised mafia or Shuhan was some "I'm pretending to be a Town Miller but I'm actually the MAFIA MILLER, my death note was a fake." the game should have ended tonight.
Why should I trust your report more than the N1 facts?
Because I'm the Cop. Why didn't the Mafia kill last Night? Why haven't the Mafia killed anyone except a few people? Any number of reasons. If we have a two Mafia setup, maybe only one can kill in this game full of killers. Maybe this Mafioso can only kill under certain circumstances. Or they simply want to wait things out because they're afraid.
It's simple. Either you believe I'm Town or don't. But, the FACT is I didn't kill Femme and my actions can be tracked and I'm telling you I targeted SUDK and got a guilty. Not an innocent or a no result, guilty. SUDK is good at covering his tracks but no one is perfect. Like I said, he went too hard after me and set off my alarm. All I ask is if you don't vote for SUDK, you vote for me. This is how hard I'm fighting for this.
Nectar has no killing ability.
Nectar I’ve already fully claimed and listed all my targets. If you’d like me to reiterate….
Town Psychologist. I investigate someone at night and I’m told if they have an ability. No one I’ve targeted has had one.
N1: Faith
N2: No Swords
N3: Jailed by SUDK
N4: Nectar
This is all really confusing, might need to think on this development.
Two things I can think of: Nectar is Mafia trying to get me lynched, or he's an insane cop. Only having one night of his results to go off of doesn't help.
I am Town. Why would I have freely let a believed Psychologist, or a believed Vigilante live, and instead pursue someone with no confirmed role?
Why did no one die last night? That would serve me no benefit.
Will continue my response later, I'm in class right now.
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (1): Nectar
Not Voting (4): SUDK, SpaceCowboy, BellisarioFaith, Wooden_Giraffe
Apologies for not updating earlier. 38 hours left.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
Two things I can think of: Nectar is Mafia trying to get me lynched, or he's an insane cop. Only having one night of his results to go off of doesn't help.
I am Town. Why would I have freely let a believed Psychologist, or a believed Vigilante live, and instead pursue someone with no confirmed role?Why did no one die last night? That would serve me no benefit.
Will continue my response later, I'm in class right now.
Of course, you don't have to kill anyone, no one else ever seriously came after you. All you to had do is ride the Jailer wave to the finish line. Also, based on the win condition and other killing roles you probably can't kill. It was never a question of when or why.
Why didn't you talk to me Night 1? What was the purpose of jailing me Night 1 then? If you thought I was Mafia wouldn't you have interrogated me?
All you've done is seed doubt without really putting yourself out there. You admit to bandwagoning so no one can call you out on it and you go after someone, not because you think they're scum but because you consider them a "leader". You didn't anyone leading because you want chaos. You wanted everyone at each other's throats. It's possible I'm Insane. Also possible I'm not. What did you and Space talk about last Night?
If Wooden is to be believed, Space is the only one left with a killing role and you had to jail him to keep up appearances. You jailed me, Galaxy and Wooden by choice. Space wanted to shoot Wooden if he wasn't jailed last Night. I think I've found our two Mafia members.
It doesn't sound good to say that it's because I forgot, though.
It is the only day where I said 'confirming the link', though. Wooden and Space can vouch for that (assuming they're not trying to get me killed). I did post that night, before you did, but honestly forgot to check back. After you called me out on it D2 I made a much larger effort to come in.
Based on the fact that I've not been lynched yet, I'm going to assume that there are two Mafia, and Nectar's one of them. Nectar HAS to be one of them, or they'd be jumping on my wagon to instantly get me killed, if three's the limit.
If there are two, then lynching me is death.
@Wooden: What made you decide to go after Nectar over myself or Space? You mentioned that we were your biggest targets on N3.
@Nectar: I never voted for you without genuine suspicion. You mentioned this before and I said you were wrong. I only voted when I genuinely started to call you out on things. I didn't once not put myself out there. When I had suspicion, I voted, and I pursued, and I asked questions. I gave my statements on everything. Think I'm scum all you want, but I contributed.
I jailed you N1 because I was more suspicious of you than anyone else; you were the leader, and I didn't like that. I've admitted to this, too.
Also @Nectar: Can we get a reason you targeted Wooden on N3? I believe the only reason we got that "Someone the Jailer probably wouldn't target".
I'd also like to mention that I revealed myself during the night on N3 to a person I thought was probably Town. I was worried for my life, so gave everything I had to Wooden. There would've been no reason to do this had I not been genuinely worried. What was I scared of, one of my Mafia buddies claiming the Jailer on D4?
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
It doesn't sound good to say that it's because I forgot, though.
It is the only day where I said 'confirming the link', though. Wooden and Space can vouch for that (assuming they're not trying to get me killed). I did post that night, before you did, but honestly forgot to check back. After you called me out on it D2 I made a much larger effort to come in.Based on the fact that I've not been lynched yet, I'm going to assume that there are two Mafia, and Nectar's one of them. Nectar HAS to be one of them, or they'd be jumping on my wagon to instantly get me killed, if three's the limit.
If there are two, then lynching me is death.@Wooden: What made you decide to go after Nectar over myself or Space? You mentioned that we were your biggest targets on N3.
@Nectar: I never voted for you without genuine suspicion. You mentioned this before and I said you were wrong. I only voted when I genuinely started to call you out on things. I didn't once not put myself out there. When I had suspicion, I voted, and I pursued, and I asked questions. I gave my statements on everything. Think I'm scum all you want, but I contributed.
I jailed you N1 because I was more suspicious of you than anyone else; you were the leader, and I didn't like that. I've admitted to this, too.Also @Nectar: Can we get a reason you targeted Wooden on N3? I believe the only reason we got that "Someone the Jailer probably wouldn't target".
I'd also like to mention that I revealed myself during the night on N3 to a person I thought was probably Town. I was worried for my life, so gave everything I had to Wooden. There would've been no reason to do this had I not been genuinely worried. What was I scared of, one of my Mafia buddies claiming the Jailer on D4?
Now I'm not Insane, I have to be Mafia?
I did go after Wooden because I thought you wouldn't target him. You went after me and Galaxy before then. I tried to find someone who wasn't as active.
Revealed yourself to Wooden? I figured you or No Swords was the Jailer (No Swords because of Jailer's inexperience and you because of time zones). That's why I didn't pursue you until I claimed and realized you're sly method of going after people and general dislike of the Town coming together.
I don't think you're scared of Wooden because he's Mafia. You're were scared because he was doing a good job at keeping a low profile while scooting slightly above lurking. That's why I targeted him on Night 3. I wanted to see where he stood along with not getting blocked by you.
Discredit me if you want, but I didn't kill Femme (jailed that Night) and Wooden confirmed I don't have a killing ability. I have an investigating power because I have to have gotten a report each Night to know my power didn't go through on several Nights. I claimed Cop and NO ONE claimed that role except me. You have nothing to stand on.
What did you and Space talk about last Night?
Of course, you don't have to kill anyone, no one else ever seriously came after you. All you to had do is ride the Jailer wave to the finish line. Also, based on the win condition and other killing roles you probably can't kill. It was never a question of when or why.
Why didn't you talk to me Night 1? What was the purpose of jailing me Night 1 then? If you thought I was Mafia wouldn't you have interrogated me?
All you've done is seed doubt without really putting yourself out there. You admit to bandwagoning so no one can call you out on it and you go after someone, not because you think they're scum but because you consider them a "leader". You didn't anyone leading because you want chaos. You wanted everyone at each other's throats. It's possible I'm Insane. Also possible I'm not. What did you and Space talk about last Night?
If Wooden is to be believed, Space is the **[/hvB]You jailed me, Galaxy and Wooden by choice. Space wanted to shoot Wooden if he wasn't jailed last Night. I think I've found our two Mafia members.
You're ignoring N2 when I didn't shoot anyone according to Faith.
Also, what was stopping terrible mafia duo me and SUDK from killing you and ending the game?
Nothing. Your thesis is dum because it ignores the fundamental principle that if it was true, the game would be over.I can copy paste my entire conv3rsation with him if needed.
Give me some hours to get home, I hate doing this on mobile**
Alright, so I'm gonna try to bring it all together here.
Nectar, if what you say about SUDK is true, then he is almost certainly working alone. If he had a partner then they simply would have killed last night and ended the game. If he had the ability to kill and jail on the same night then it doesn't explain why he didn't kill the last 3 nights. Unless you think the mafia has a 1-shot kill. Regardless, we can afford to go after someone today who more likely killed Femme.
Honestly the only plausible mafia pair to me at this point is Space and Nectar, with Space being the only one that can kill.
@SUDK: Yes, Space is my top suspect, but I figured you'd be jailing him and I wanted actual results. I was never suspicious of you, I had simply narrowed Femme's killer down to you, Space or No Swords. Once you came out as the jailer I crossed you off the list.
I'd very much like to lynch Space today. Unless we think SUDK can both jail and kill then there is no one else who could have killed Femme N1. Even in that instance he likely has no partners and we can afford a mislynch today. Keep in mind that ANY mafia pair would have killed last night to end the game, so if a pair does exist then it has to include Space. This will also give Nectar the opportunity to check his sanity and I'll have a chance to potentially back up his claim of SUDK.
Vote Lynch: SpaceCowboy
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (1): Nectar
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (3): SUDK, SpaceCowboy, BellisarioFaith
25 hours remaining.
@Wooden & Space: Can I get you to confirm that I didn't post "Confirming the link" on the night you were Jailed? It'll prove that I posted N1, and that my ability to talk isn't tied to any sort of killing ability.
The potential Mafia pairs are:
Space and Nectar
Space and Wooden
Space and Faith
Space and SUDK
Nectar and Wooden
Nectar and Faith
Nectar and SUDK
Wooden and Faith
Wooden and SUDK
Faith and SUDK
10 possible pairs. Each town can make this number of possibilities even lower in their own eyes by knowing that they're not Mafia. According to this, if you don't vote for yourself you either have a 1/2, or a 1/3 chance of getting a Mafia. I'm unclear which, as there are three options, but each option is in 50% of the remaining potential pairs. My math is hazy, but the idea's there.
Vote: Time Extension I know I'm going to only be somewhat available for the next day, so I want to ensure as much time as possible.
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (1): Nectar
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (3): SUDK, SpaceCowboy, BellisarioFaith
Time Extension (1): SUDK
Exactly 25.5 hours remaining.
Any pair not involving Space makes no sense, as any other pair would have killed last night and won, unless they somehow lost their ability to kill. As far as I'm concerned it's either a pair involving him or a solo mafia.
SUDK, I'm not sure how this proves you posted N1, but yes, SUDK did not post "Confirming the link". He immediately went into asking me questions.
You're ignoring N2 when I didn't shoot anyone according to Faith.
Also, what was stopping terrible mafia duo me and SUDK from killing you and ending the game?
Nothing. Your thesis is dum because it ignores the fundamental principle that if it was true, the game would be over.I can copy paste my entire conv3rsation with him if needed.
Give me some hours to get home, I hate doing this on mobile
What's stopping anyone who's Mafia from doing the same thing last Night? By your standard everyone left is Town. You want to continue scum hunting or do you want to end the game now?
Don't believe me? Put your vote on me. You want to prove you're Town? Do it. But, don't tell me a Jailer can't be a Mafioso, especially one I got a guilty on. You're getting worked up over my report on a player that's not even you.
Alright, so I'm gonna try to bring it all together here.
Nectar, if what you say about SUDK is true, then he is almost certainly working alone. If he had a partner then they simply would have killed last night and ended the game. If he had the ability to kill and jail on the same night then it doesn't explain why he didn't kill the last 3 nights. Unless you think the mafia has a 1-shot kill. Regardless, we can afford to go after someone today who more likely killed Femme.
Honestly the only plausible mafia pair to me at this point is Space and Nectar, with Space being the only one that can kill.@SUDK: Yes, Space is my top suspect, but I figured you'd be jailing him and I wanted actual results. I was never suspicious of you, I had simply narrowed Femme's killer down to you, Space or No Swords. Once you came out as the jailer I crossed you off the list.
I'd very much like to lynch Space today. Unless we think SUDK can both jail and kill then there is no one else who could have killed Femme N1. Even in that instance he likely has no partners and we can afford a mislynch today. Keep in mind that ANY mafia pair would have killed last night to end the game, so if a pair does exist then it has to include Space. This will also give Nectar the opportunity to check his sanity and I'll have a chance to potentially back up his claim of SUDK.
Vote Lynch: SpaceCowboy
Whether SUDK can kill or not doesn't change he got a guilty report. The Mafia only has to survive until the end, period. The game has to end at two players, as long as a non-Town is one of those two they win.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
@Wooden & Space: Can I get you to confirm that I didn't post "Confirming the link" on the night you were Jailed? It'll prove that I posted N1, and that my ability to talk isn't tied to any sort of killing ability.
The potential Mafia pairs are:
Space and Nectar
Space and Wooden
Space and Faith
Space and SUDK
Nectar and Wooden
Nectar and Faith
Nectar and SUDK
Wooden and Faith
Wooden and SUDK
Faith and SUDK10 possible pairs. Each town can make this number of possibilities even lower in their own eyes by knowing that they're not Mafia. According to this, if you don't vote for yourself you either have a 1/2, or a 1/3 chance of getting a Mafia. I'm unclear which, as there are three options, but each option is in 50% of the remaining potential pairs. My math is hazy, but the idea's there.
Vote: Time Extension I know I'm going to only be somewhat available for the next day, so I want to ensure as much time as possible.
Stop trying to hide behind not having a killing ability. Again, it's about surviving until the end. You said I was Mafia, didn't you? Prove it. Or, don't and just continue to make accusations without follow through.
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Or, better, tell me why there isn't a Cop role in a game with a Miller?
Whether SUDK can kill or not doesn't change he got a guilty report. The Mafia only has to survive until the end, period. The game has to end at two players, as long as a non-Town is one of those two they win.
It matters because SOMEONE is responsible for Femme's death, and since they haven't fessed up to it we have to assume they're scum. It is very unlikely that SUDK killed Femme so I'm prioritizing going after the one who likely did. Plus even in the event you are town you can't say for sure if you're insane or not, this is the first report you've gotten of any kind.
You mentioned yourself that Space was possibly SUDK's partner, if it were me or Faith we would have killed last night for sure. So even fully trusting your report you have to admit that the mafia is either Space and SUDK or just SUDK. In either event we should lynch Space to be safe.
But yet, at the same time, Space is right that, if he and SUDK are Mafia together, why would SUDK have imprisoned Space at all? Why not imprison Nectar again on the false grounds of "I'm still suspicious of him" (while also conveniently keeping him from investigating and potentially finding either of them out, in just in case), let Space kill Wooden like he said he was going to, and leave us 2-2 (Nectar and me vs SUDK and Space), Mafia wins? I just don't think this potential pair makes sense. And Nectar and SUDK being scumbuddies most definitely doesn't, either. And Wooden is correct in that, if he or I were SUDK's scumbuddy, why did we not kill anyone last Night? In fact, the only thing I can think of for this that seems to add up at all is if the Mafia has a limited kill ability.
Here's an idea of what we could do, if we really want to verify whether Nectar is a Sane or Insane Cop. It's tedious, but it shouldn't do any harm: go with a No Lynch today, and give Nectar another Night to investigate. Then, have pretty much the same Night set-up: SUDK jails Space again to keep him from killing anyone. Nectar investigates me this time or something (or I guess Wooden, if you all would prefer that). If he gets a Guilty report on me, too, then he is, in fact, an Insane Cop, and SUDK and I are both innocent. If he gets a Not Guilty on me, then he's Sane, and we should be able to go from there. Naturally, Wooden and I will still patrol with our powers as per usual. If somebody dies on Night 5, we can figure out what to do from there (if the game is still going) based on who it is and how they flip.
(Also, do we really need another time extension? I don't see why it'll take more than 24 hours to come up with a plan. With five of us left, the game is really gonna start dragging if we suddenly extend this to more than 48 hours, especially since there's only so many combinations of what can happen at Night with just 5 of us. I guess if two more of you want an extension and vote for it, then that's that, but personally, I'm not planning on voting for one this time.)
It matters because SOMEONE is responsible for Femme's death, and since they haven't fessed up to it we have to assume they're scum. It is very unlikely that SUDK killed Femme so I'm prioritizing going after the one who likely did. Plus even in the event you are town you can't say for sure if you're insane or not, this is the first report you've gotten of any kind.
You mentioned yourself that Space was possibly SUDK's partner, if it were me or Faith we would have killed last night for sure. So even fully trusting your report you have to admit that the mafia is either Space and SUDK or just SUDK. In either event we should lynch Space to be safe.
Yes, I think if you're Town then Space is most likely Mafia. I also want to follow my report. If we're using my reports to win the game we need to follow through. The safest way to do that is lynching my guilty target.
But yet, at the same time, Space is right that, if he and SUDK are Mafia together, why would SUDK have imprisoned Space at all? Why not imprison Nectar again on the false grounds of "I'm still suspicious of him" (while also conveniently keeping him from investigating and potentially finding either of them out, in just in case), let Space kill Wooden like he said he was going to, and leave us 2-2 (Nectar and me vs SUDK and Space), Mafia wins? I just don't think this potential pair makes sense. And Nectar and SUDK being scumbuddies most definitely doesn't, either. And Wooden is correct in that, if he or I were SUDK's scumbuddy, why did we not kill anyone last Night? In fact, the only thing I can think of for this that seems to add up at all is if the Mafia has a limited kill ability.
Here's an idea of what we could do, if we really want to verify whether Nectar is a Sane or Insane Cop. It's tedious, but it shouldn't do any harm: go with a No Lynch today, and give Nectar another Night to investigate. Then, have pretty much the same Night set-up: SUDK jails Space again to keep him from killing anyone. Nectar investigates me this time or something (or I guess Wooden, if you all would prefer that). If he gets a Guilty report on me, too, then he is, in fact, an Insane Cop, and SUDK and I are both innocent. If he gets a Not Guilty on me, then he's Sane, and we should be able to go from there. Naturally, Wooden and I will still patrol with our powers as per usual. If somebody dies on Night 5, we can figure out what to do from there (if the game is still going) based on who it is and how they flip.
(Also, do we really need another time extension? I don't see why it'll take more than 24 hours to come up with a plan. With five of us left, the game is really gonna start dragging if we suddenly extend this to more than 48 hours, especially since there's only so many combinations of what can happen at Night with just 5 of us. I guess if two more of you want an extension and vote for it, then that's that, but personally, I'm not planning on voting for one this time.)
I am not fond of a No Lynch. If Space and SUDK are working together they can pretend to follow the rules and take you out. Nights going the Town's way are an exception, not a rule.
I voted for a time extension because I'm not going to be very active for the rest of the day, and wanted some more time to talk. Not gonna make anyone extend the day for my sake, just explaining myself.
If you want to lynch me, Nectar, that's fine (it's not fine Town will lose), but at least try to search for 'my partner'.
@Wooden: If I made a comment on N1 that I wasn't forced to make (such as confirming the link), it proves that I at least had the ability to talk on N1, and Nectar can stop using that against me.
@Nectar: If we no lynch and I jail someone else, then it's confirmed I'm Mafia and we're back where we were today. There was no reason for me to Jail Space last night if he was my partner. Because there was no death last night, it's either the Mafia refused to kill to frame Space, or it's Space alone.
What did you and Space talk about last Night?He asked me about any details that Wooden told me on N3. I told him that he and I were suspects. He asked for more details. I said there wasn't anything else. He mentioned being suspicious of Nectar, too, but that he has to have a partner, and we should figure out if it's Wooden or Faith before pursuing you.
That's the entire flow of conversation.
I am not fond of a No Lynch. If Space and SUDK are working together they can pretend to follow the rules and take you out. Nights going the Town's way are an exception, not a rule.
What.
If SUDK and Space are working together, and wanted to "pretend to follow the rules and take me [or somebody else] out"…why didn't they do that exact thing last Night?
@Nectar: I'm not getting worked a report on someone else.
I'm getting worked because you accused me of being in a team with someone and didn't justify why we didn't end the game. From all the pairs you could have picked, that was the worst one.
@Woody: How is this:
"Nectar, if what you say about SUDK is true, then he is almost certainly working alone. If he had a partner then they simply would have killed last night and ended the game."
compatible with this:
"o even fully trusting your report you have to admit that the mafia is either Space and SUDK or just SUDK. In either event we should lynch Space to be safe."
?
Feeling pressured because I said I tried to shoot you tonight? =)
@Faith: I'm not really sure what you asked by "confirming the link".
I got a PM from Vor with the link to enter a quicktopic.
There was a message from Vor opening the thread and a message from "warden" which was SUDK. We traded 8 messages with each other + one from Vor.
I can provide the messages if anyone asks.
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Lets do a recap
Night Actions (4 Nights): Galaxy: Nectar, no action
NS: Nectar and Faith; Faith and Galaxy; Wooden and Space
Nectar: Jailed, Galaxy, Woody, SUDK
SUDK: Nectar, Galaxy, Woody, Space
Faith: Galaxy, Space, Woody , Woody
Woody: Faith, NS, Got Jailed, Galaxy
Space: 0, 0, 0, Woody
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2 mafia, SUDK is one: This makes no sense. They would have just ended the game. Kill one person, stop any lynch, kill another and it's GG. Either someone screwed up massively or this isn't it.
1 mafia, SUDK is one: Again, it makes no sense because of Femme's death.
2 Mafia, Nectar is one: This is the one I'm currently more scared of for one simple reason: Nectar's report might be a way to pressure us into lynching SUDK so he can bring it to 2v2. However it doesn't make any sense either, since they could have just targeted SUDK and it would be 2v2 anyway. Even with my Night ability, I would die on N5 alongside one of them and it would go 1v1. A mistake?
1 Mafia, it's Nectar: Nop, Femme.
2 Mafia, Faith is one: Faith only got 2 of her Targets. I did called my action before she reported on it, but she also antecipated to Woody in reporting his target tonight. So either she and Woody are a pair and they made up her tracking him tonight, or I don't think Faith can have another partner.
1 Mafia, Faith is it: Faith wouldn't have risked calling out Woody's N4 movements unless she's a mad lad (sorry), if that's the case, well bluffed.
2 Mafia, Woody is one: I'll be honest, in a game with 3 non mafia killers, a psycologist can either be a tool for a mafia to identify dangerous targets, or to confuse the town.
However, would a mod really give someone this ability in a game with 2 town alligned killers? In a game of 9? This makes me suspicious of Wooden.
I guess he did target Galaxy's tonight. That's something I reckon. It's the Faith/Woody combo all over again.
1 Mafia, Woody is one: It's possible if the mafia has 2 abilities. Seek and destroy. There isn't any reliabe source of his target on N1, and when he was jailed, no one died.
2 Mafia, Space is one: Possible as well, no one died tonight. But why wouldn't I have targetted anyone on N2? Unless Faith is my partner, in this case you got a solid tip.
1 Mafia, it's space: I have to defend myself with the N2 argument again, but unless I purposely avoided a N2 shot, which seems... odd I reckon.
By this that time Shuhan Miller had already died, which confirmed an investigative role at least. Why would I hide myself if there were ways to know my alignment? Shouldn't I try to end the game as quickly as possible?
Another thing though:
"Welcome! You are a Town Vigilante.
Night Ability: You've got something deadly in your possession! Using this weapon, you can choose to try and kill whichever players seem most suspicious to you, one per night. There is no limit to the number of nights you may use this action.
Best of luck dealing out punishment!"
^^
That's my role PM.
The first thing I've noticed about it was that it was strange in a 9 men game for me to have unlimited ammo.
And then Femme had so too.
And then Galaxy…
Is there are chance that the typical one shot Vig got reversed and we have One Shot Mafia instead? Or maybe 2 bullets shared by both and other abilities to compensate that?
Because a scenario like that is the only reason why I can think of a 2 men mafia team not getting any kills over 3 Nights.
They are waiting for us to mislynch so they can spend a bullet to get majority.
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BTW, yes, according to my own logic, I'm the most likely guy to be a mafia. Fuck me I guess. But Woody isn't far off, so let's lynch him instead ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
I voted for a time extension because I'm not going to be very active for the rest of the day, and wanted some more time to talk. Not gonna make anyone extend the day for my sake, just explaining myself.
If you want to lynch me, Nectar, that's fine (it's not fine Town will lose), but at least try to search for 'my partner'.
@Wooden: If I made a comment on N1 that I wasn't forced to make (such as confirming the link), it proves that I at least had the ability to talk on N1, and Nectar can stop using that against me.
@Nectar: If we no lynch and I jail someone else, then it's confirmed I'm Mafia and we're back where we were today. There was no reason for me to Jail Space last night if he was my partner. Because there was no death last night, it's either the Mafia refused to kill to frame Space, or it's Space alone.
He asked me about any details that Wooden told me on N3. I told him that he and I were suspects. He asked for more details. I said there wasn't anything else. He mentioned being suspicious of Nectar, too, but that he has to have a partner, and we should figure out if it's Wooden or Faith before pursuing you.
That's the entire flow of conversation.
I am searching (found you didn't I?) but you are not escaping me. Keeping you dead in my sight.
It doesn't matter what you do at Night now. Eyes are on you. Again, I don't why the Mafia is doing what they're doing at Night, all I know is they are working toward their win condition.
If I'm not the Cop, explain why there's a Miller?
What.
If SUDK and Space are working together, and wanted to "pretend to follow the rules and take me [or somebody else] out"…why didn't they do that exact thing last Night?
I don't know, but I rather be cautious and not put the ball in the Mafia's court. They're doing what they're doing for a reason. I'm sure SUDK didn't expect me targeting him. My point is this: The walls are closing down on one Mafioso, if we don't lynch it's giving them a free Night to do what they want.
Vote: Time extention I want to hear Woody and Faith's on the chance that either Nectar is insane cop or that he is trying to push for a lynch on SUDK to fulfill a win con.
As well as the 1 mafioso vs limited killing ability debate.
Becaus if it''s the first, we still have room for 1 more mistake.
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (1): Nectar
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (3): SUDK, SpaceCowboy, BellisarioFaith
Time Extension (2): SUDK SpaceCowboy
4.5 hours left in the day.
I'll be real, I honestly don't think Nectar being an Insane Cop is very likely at all. if so, that's gonna be reeeeeaaallllly shitty. What's even the point of having a Miller in the game if the Cop is also gonna be Insane? How would that report even work? He would show up as Not Guilty, but then Nectar would have to use his Cop ability to find a "Guilty" (actually innocent) person, we lynch them and find out they're innocent, Nectar realizes he must be Insane and points the finger at Shuhan (all while assuming he doesn't just immediately get lynched himself for causing us to kill an innocent person, and/or that Shuhan is still alive at that point (which he isn't)), we lynch Shuhan, and then find out why he showed up as Not Guilty-actually-Guilty-actually-Not Guilty?
That seems wayyyyyy too freakin' complicated, especially in a game that also has a Jailer that could keep some of these reports from going through (as has indeed happened). I don't really think even these mods would wanna go for that, if only to spare themselves the headache. At this point, I'd guess that Nectar either really is the Cop he says he is–a Sane one--or he's just lying about that altogether.
As for Nectar pushing for a lynch on SUDK...it's possible. Again, because of the above, I don't think they're both innocent. I feel fairly confident that one of them is lying. And that's why I want our lynch today to be one of them. It's just a question of which one. In truth, I have found some things that Nectar's said and done, even since his reveal, to be a little bit suspect…but in the end, he's right that it really doesn't make sense to not have a Cop in a game in a game that has a Miller, especially when the Miller shouldn't affect anybody else's abilities. Putting in a role like that as a red herring if there isn't a Cop at all is a role that could be hugely damaging for the Town, since it leaves the perfect opportunity for somebody to do just that, claim to be Cop when they're not and completely fool everyone. It seems more likely to me that Nectar is probably telling the truth about being the Cop, and has just said/done some rather suspect things sometimes. And we know he can't be Femme's killer, anyway, so it would have to be a partner. And like you yourself pointed out, there's his soft claim of Cop before we even found out there was a Miller in the game.
Another reason I'm in favor of lynching SUDK over Nectar: if we lynch SUDK and he turns out to be innocent, nothing can stop you from assassinating Nectar during the Night (or anyone else of your choosing). If we kill Nectar and he turns out to be innocent--and thus, very likely right about SUDK--SUDK can just jail you again to keep you from doing anything about it.
Of course, there's also considering the possibility that Space is scum, too. But, being honest, Space: at this point, I'm pretty convinced you're Town. The only actual evidence I have of that is knowing that you didn't try to kill anybody Night 2--and since we know you can kill as much as you want, I don't know why you wouldn't have tried to if you were scum--but also, for subjective reasons, just based on your posts, you've been reading pretty heavily Town to me since the end of Day 4. And like you said, I would have to be your scum partner to just be making that up. But as I've pointed out multiple times now, me being scum only makes sense if Wooden is also scum, and the three of us can't be scum together. (And it makes no sense at all to me for you and Wooden to be scumbuddies, anyway.) Out of the four others left besides myself, Space is the player I'm the least willing to lynch today.
Also, I have to admit I'm still suspicious of Wooden. His claimed ability seems like the one that's most likely to not actually be Town-aligned. Like, who ever heard of a Mafia Cop (that would just be a Rolecop, which could actually be what Wooden really is if he's scum), or a Mafia Tracker (what would even be the point of that?) But in a game with so many non-Mafia-aligned killers (so far at least a non-Mafia Serial Killer and two (probably) Town Vigs), having a Mafia Psychologist would actually work better than it might in other games, if he's not just a Rolecop or something else. Also, from my perspective, he and Space are probably the only people who could have killed Femme (barring SUDK, as a Mafia Jailer, having some sort of weird kill ability), and like I said, I'm the least suspicious of Space out of everybody.
I think it's possible we have 1 or 2 scum--hard to say for sure right now, though 1 would certainly be nice because we would indeed have more leeway here--but regardless, I think the Mafia does have to have a restricted killing ability. Because otherwise, the events of last Night don't really make much sense to me.
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Oops, hit "Enter" too soon by accident.
But yeah, if we aren't gonna try the "No Lynch" idea and you guys wanna go for lynching someone today, I'm gonna wait a bit and then cast my vote, probably for SUDK unless you guys make a strong enough case that we should lynch Nectar instead. I still think Nectar's point about "SUDK and Space possibly working together" is complete nonsense, but I can at least see his point about not wanting to give the Mafia any extra Nights, especially if they do have a limited kill-ability, since we don't know how that works.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Even if I believe SUDK is working alone he still ahs the damn jail ability.
I would be fine with killing him and if he flips town I would kill Nectar.
As for Woody, if SUDK flips mafia, should I kill him? Or do I hold my shoot for the night?
Hmm. I guess that's up to you. SUDK flipping Mafia would pretty much confirm that Nectar's innocent, and even if Wooden's guilty and kills someone during the Night, we'd still have the manpower to lynch him the next Day. And Nectar could investigate either you or Wooden, and I could also track you or Wooden; one Mafia couldn't kill us both, so whoever's still alive at the start of the next Day should have something useful that would confirm who the guilty party is.
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Hmm, I may or may not be able to make it back before Day's end, actually, so just in case:
Vote Lynch: SomebodyUDon'tKnow
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (2): Nectar, BellisarioFaith
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (2): SUDK, SpaceCowboy
Time Extension (2): SUDK SpaceCowboy
Under 2 hours remaining.
Trying to read up now, but I’m stuck on mobile so a response might not be as detailed as I’d like. For now I’ll at least extend it as to not run out of time.
Vote: Time Extension
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (2): Nectar, BellisarioFaith
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (2): SUDK, SpaceCowboy
Time Extension (3): SUDK, SpaceCowboy, Wooden_Giraffe
Time has been extended by 24 hours.
25.5 hours to go.
**Time extension achieved!
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.**
SUDK (2): Nectar, BellisarioFaith
SpaceCowboy (1): Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (2): SUDK, SpaceCowboy
25.5 hours remaining.
Ok, not much has really transpired since I was last on.
Space, to answer your question those two statements aren’t compatible. One was my own conclusions based on the information. The other was trying to get Nectar to understand things based on HIS conclusions. You aren’t making me nervous in the slightest, you made it very clear you’d be going after me back on D4.
Nectar could be an insane cop but the argument that a sane cop makes little sense with a Miller is convincing. And if Nectar was mafia trying to frame SUDK he would have had a much easier time going after me or Faith then SUDK.
None of this explains the reasons that there were no kills the last couple nights. The only thing that can block that is jailing, and if SudK is mafia then it isn’t hard to coordinate. This is all pointing to some mechanic that is not something we’re familiar with.
Full synchro has been achieved! Mods have increased brainpower for the next 24 hours!
Yeah, that's the thing.
Even if I believe SUDK is working alone he still ahs the damn jail ability.
I would be fine with killing him and if he flips town I would kill Nectar.
As for Woody, if SUDK flips mafia, should I kill him? Or do I hold my shoot for the night?
I agree. Now can someone please hammer?
Trying to read up now, but I’m stuck on mobile so a response might not be as detailed as I’d like. For now I’ll at least extend it as to not run out of time.
Vote: Time Extension
If SUDK flips Town, I die Tonight. No one else is voting Space Today. Let's get this over with.
You know what. If Space were mafia and SUDK town he’d have hammered by now. Let’s do it. Barring a Nectar/Faith team this seams safe.
**Unvote
Vote Lynch: SUDK**
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
SUDK (2): Nectar, BellisarioFaith, Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting (2): SUDK, SpaceCowboy
Lynch has been achieved and the day is now over. Please stand by for the official write-up.
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With Nectar's accusation dominating the day, all eyes turned to the formerly trusted SUDK. Debate once again went long into the night, with hesitation, confusion, and frustration bubbling up, until Wooden_Giraffe has had enough. With a quick movement, he grabs a pitchfork and swiftly stabs SUDK. The Aussie keels over, blood pouring out, staring up with disbelief until the light fades from SUDK's eyes.
A blood-stained note tumbles out of his pocket. It reads:
"Welcome! You are a Town Jailer.
Night Ability: As a Jailer you have the responsible role of taking a player into your custody and ensuring that they are not involved in any unseemly activities. Your prisoner will not be able to perform any night actions, but they will also be immune to any night actions performed on them. Upon activation of your ability, you and your target will be given a Quicktopic to discuss in for that night. Unlimited charges."
Feeling quite bitter and highly untrusting of one another, the remnants of the Town retire for the night.
Day 5 has ended and Night 5 has begun.
Send in your night actions in the next 24 hours.
It's quieter than ever this morning, but it certainly wasn't last night. You all distinctly remember hearing two loud gunshots split the night, so it comes as both surprise to any of you to find the body of Wooden_Giraffe lying dead on the road.
As expected, there's a note on the body. It reads:
"Welcome! You are a Town Psychologist.
Night Ability: You may investigate a player each night and discern whether that player has an active killing ability. You receive a negative result on those that have no active killing ability and a positive result on those that can choose to perform a kill."
The three of you stand around the body, unwilling to take your eyes off one another. This could very well be the final day in the dome.
Night 5 has ended and Day 6 has begun.
With 3 players alive, it takes 2 to achieve a majority.
Not Voting (3): BellisarioFaith, Nectar, SpaceCowboy
You have 48 hours, or until 10 pm Saturday ET.
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I don't have time to stick around right now, but for the record–as is probably obvious to all--Space visited Wooden. Which I would have thought would be a solid idea, but clearly, what do I know at this point? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wasn't killed, that's surprising. Got a guilty on Wooden, so yeah I'm Insane. Sorry SUDK.
One more death and the game is over. Faith doesn't have a killing ability according to Wooden and neither do I.
Vote Lynch: Space
With 3 players alive, it takes 2 to achieve a majority.
SpaceCowboy (1): Nectar
Not Voting (2): BellisarioFaith, SpaceCowboy
47 hours.
Okay. We have an Insane Cop. In a game with a Miller. Lovely. Wonderful.
I'd be a lot more annoyed about that…if it weren't for the fact that, at this point, I'm legitimately, honestly convinced that we just don't have a Mafia. Because now that we know that Wooden was telling the truth (sorry, Wooden), and that there can't be a Mafia pair, Nectar can't be Maf...and technically Space could be, but there are too many things that don't add up right, either, with him being Mafia. I still want to lynch Space over Nectar just in case, since there's actual proof Nectar isn't the killer–and that I'm not--while we don't have that with Space, but I'm really more expecting Space to flip Town than Mafia.
But really, Femme dying N1 is literally the only reason we haven't been seriously entertaining the idea that there is no Mafia. Even though, other than that, the facts all fit for there to not be any bad guys in this game (except, well, Femme, haha). The weird win condition...the fact that there are major logic holes in the idea of any of us being Mafia...the high number of Town killers and a role that can find those with killing abilities like the Psychologist...the fact that maybe there's an Insane Cop in a game with a Miller, rather than a Sane one, because there's no perp to find in the first place....I still don't know why Femme would suicide herself, or what happened with that, but somehow that still makes more sense to me than any of us left being Mafia.
I'm not gonna lie, I don't think I really like this twist, if it really is true. I barely even played this game in the first place and only did it as a favor to Jabs, and have regretted it almost since beginning, spent many hours during my busiest week of work in the entire year working hard to post and actually contribute so I didn't let the team down and could help solve the mystery (even when I definitely should have been resting or doing more relaxing activities that I outright enjoy, rather than have a love-hate relationship with like this, haha), legit stressed about this numerous times and literally lost sleep over it once or twice because I woke up thinking about it and trying to solve it, and have been like "Oh my god, would someone please just kill me so I don't have to keep playing" pretty much every Night...only for it to turn out that we literally had the game won since Day 2? It's like a bad joke, or an engaging one that has a kind of shitty punchline that almost wraps back around into being hilarious with how shitty it is. And I feel pretty resentful at having wasted so much of my time on it. But at least now it's about over, and I finally don't feel stressed about it knowing that.
Space, I'm really sorry to just lynch you like this without giving you a chance to talk, but I honestly just can't deal with this game anymore and it needs to end, haha. And I feel pretty sure, based on all of the above, that this is going going to work out just fine for us. So, apologies, and don't be too mad, haha.
Vote Lynch: SpaceCowboy
Also, I've gotten Jabs to agree to just end the Night once Nectar and I officially submit to use our abilities on each other. So we won't have to wait a full 24 hours to vote and end this game (or have it ended if I'm somehow wrong at this point and Nectar really is Mafia, though that makes no sense, lulz).
With 3 players alive, it takes 2 to achieve a majority. SpaceCowboy (2): Nectar, BellisaroFaith
Not Voting (1): SpaceCowboy
Lynch has been achieved and the day is over.
It doesn't take long, standing over Wooden's body, for things to develop quickly. Nectar and Faith exchange glances and move as one to eliminate SpaceCowboy.
With Space eliminated, you search his pockets for the anticipated note. It reads:
"Welcome! You are a Town Vigilante.
Night Ability: You've got something deadly in your possession! Using this weapon, you can choose to try and kill whichever players seem most suspicious to you, one per night. There is no limit to the number of nights you may use this action."
Well that wasn't very helpful. But neither of you immediately kills each other, so decide to head back to bed to catch up on all that sleep you've missed.
Day 6 is over and Night 6 has begun.
You have 24 hours to submit your night actions, though due to your limited options the night will conclude shortly after both of you submit your actions. See you soon!