Chapter 890: Big Mom on Top of the Ship

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@RadioactiveChimp:

Squard is a stellar example of WB taking a hit (from a dirty ally sneak attack btw which nobody saw coming) and still donning that stab like a man.

Big Mom has fallen on her face and has literally, literally had her butt handed to her by the weakest members of the Strawhat crew.

I completely fail to see why Nami's attack is more significant than Squard's. Big Mom effectively shrugged it off in the last page of the chapter like a (wo)man.

@Long:

True but if she's in the right mind then the amount of people able to fight for hours with her to get to that point and deny her food imo is basically nobody lol

Yeah, the amount isn't a lot lol. Other Yonko, maybe admirals. But if she had her monster hard body all the time, then she would undoubtedly be the strongest Yonko (I know, heresy), and no one would be able to put a scratch on her.

@kevo_koma:

Nami, Brook(especially Brook) and Chopper do not have an advantage over her Devil Fruit power though.

Yes they do. Big Mom's power is a lot more than taking other people's souls. Brook especially has an advantage, his Devil Fruit renders him the only one able to cut her special homies. Nami can match up well with her storm powers. Jinbe has an advantage over Prometheus. Plus they're fighting in the ocean, which strengthens him and weakens her.

Also, she's only been shown taking people's souls when they're running away from her. None of the Straw Hats have tried to run.

Whitebeard would sink the ship with one of his Earthquake punches. Easy.

Did you…completely miss why Big Mom isn't doing that? She wants cake, not destruction. And the Straw Hats would be at a loss to prevent her from bisecting the Sunny if they didn't specifically target the weaker Zeus.

@perorrin:

I agree but oda is choosing the wrong characters here, if it was the monster trio then maybe I would accept it…

but its brook and chopper, both got destroyed by pero not too long ago, why brook speed didn't help him against pero?

if he wanted them to shine then oda should've made them look better before this...

brook and chopper are too weak to do anything against a yonko and that's a fact, their performance here make BM look bad more than it make them look good...

Brook performed well here because he was attacking a homie. Perospero is not a homie. Start actually looking at matchups and not throwing people on power scales. Big Mom explicitly said that Brook couldn't put a scratch on her before, and he didn't do that this time either.

@Phage:

Please.
https://img00.deviantart.net/390e/i/2010/065/6/8/one_piece__death_of_whitebeard_by_sprky2008.jpg

Aight, call me back when Big Mom actually dies, then we can compare notes.

@$abZ:

Big Mom has shown amazing durability but not so much in terms of attack. I want to see why she's a Yonko… of course we saw her strength in the flashback but I want Big Mom to seriously fuck shit up on a mass level. Maybe because she thinks the cake is on the Sunny and that's why she hasn't just broken the ship into pieces, because she's more than capable of that. Getting a bit tired of BM yelling "wedding cake", getting knocked back but then continuing her pursuit. It's been like this for like 10 chapters now.

It's exactly because of that. It's because the complainers think all battle situations are the same that they ignore every single context of this fight and wonder why Big Mom isn't acting like some of the other villains of the series.

@Joy:

Luffy was an extremely good match up against Enel yet Enel still found ways to get around that disadvantage of him. Luffy was under water in a freaking bubble and he still made Hody look like an amateur.

Match ups do not matter when the difference in strength is humongous. Oda has made that perfectly clear multiple times.

You're right…which is why Big Mom is still going strong at the end of the chapter. All the matchups have allowed the Straw Hats to do is briefly catch Big Mom off-guard by making her homies liabilities. And when a character's focus isn't on fighting, chances are they don't perform as well in a fight.

@uniaka:

This only confirms that admirals are above yonkous. Kizaru, serious fujitora and akainu himself would make luffy search for a new crew by now if one of them was on the ship instead of BM.

Akainu would be a tad bit of trouble if he gets knocked into the ocean. None of them would be able to take out Zeus. Fujitora is a living conductor with his sword. Akainu and Kizaru would only make Prometheus stronger. The admirals wouldn't care about the Sunny being destroyed whereas the Straw Hats would.

There is so much more to a fight than simply strength clashing with strength. Strength isn't even a catch-all for everything a person is capable of doing. Nami is physically weak but can work well against weather abilities. And I definitely don't want Bleach-type BS where the opponent is better than a weaker character in absolutely everything, that's just completely boring.

[Joy Boy]

@skorpion:

if you treat a CLEARLY MAJOR TURNING POINT IN THE MANGA like the blood transfusion as "fluff" than you and me have nothing to talk about. we are clearly not reading the same manga.

The way the blood transfusion occurred was a fluff and didn't make sense since Luffy always loses gazillions of blood. Do you even read what I say ? Or just you pinpoint what suits you ?

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@Kaido:

I completely fail to see why Nami's attack is more significant than Squard's. Big Mom effectively shrugged it off in the last page of the chapter like a (wo)man.

Yeah, the amount isn't a lot lol. Other Yonko, maybe admirals. But if she had her monster hard body all the time, then she would undoubtedly be the strongest Yonko (I know, heresy), and no one would be able to put a scratch on her.

Yes they do. Big Mom's power is a lot more than taking other people's souls. Brook especially has an advantage, his Devil Fruit renders him the only one able to cut her special homies. Nami can match up well with her storm powers. Jinbe has an advantage over Prometheus. Plus they're fighting in the ocean, which strengthens him and weakens her.

Also, she's only been shown taking people's souls when they're running away from her. None of the Straw Hats have tried to run.

Did you…completely miss why Big Mom isn't doing that? She wants cake, not destruction. And the Straw Hats would be at a loss to prevent her from bisecting the Sunny if they didn't specifically target the weaker Zeus.

Brook performed well here because he was attacking a homie. Perospero is not a homie. Start actually looking at matchups and not throwing people on power scales. Big Mom explicitly said that Brook couldn't put a scratch on her before, and he didn't do that this time either.

Aight, call me back when Big Mom actually dies, then we can compare notes.

It's exactly because of that. It's because the complainers think all battle situations are the same that they ignore every single context of this fight and wonder why Big Mom isn't acting like some of the other villains of the series.

You're right...which is why Big Mom is still going strong at the end of the chapter. All the matchups have allowed the Straw Hats to do is briefly catch Big Mom off-guard by making her homies liabilities. And when a character's focus isn't on fighting, chances are they don't perform as well in a fight.

Akainu would be a tad bit of trouble if he gets knocked into the ocean. None of them would be able to take out Zeus. Fujitora is a living conductor with his sword. Akainu and Kizaru would only make Prometheus stronger. The admirals wouldn't care about the Sunny being destroyed whereas the Straw Hats would.

There is so much more to a fight than simply strength clashing with strength. Strength isn't even a catch-all for everything a person is capable of doing. Nami is physically weak but can work well against weather abilities. And I definitely don't want Bleach-type BS where the opponent is better than a weaker character in absolutely everything, that's just completely boring.

If she didn't want to fight then why the fuck did she attack Jinbe ?

[skorpion]

@Joy:

Already answered the Hody stuff. Factually incorrect ? I'd like you to prove those statements wrong.

I'm 22, I started OP around 2010, I liked all of OP arcs even most of Dressrosa, I love the series it's by far my favorite. Thing is if I see some bullshit like we saw in this chapter I'm going to criticize it. Oda played it smarted in the previous encounters with Big Mom where he did not have the crew fight her directly, instead using other means to escape her but here we have an utter humiliation of Big Mom with utter ease.

im 25 and started around 2009 in Alabastra somewhere. i also liked one piece all this time, and i cant say something is BS if it worked. just look at the color spread on this week chapter and remeber that Khalifa got beaten by NAMI. makes sense? maybe not but this is enjoyable. and this is what one piece have always done, presented oponents, and than matched the right fighters to them. like Sanji said to Sogeking: "everyone have something only they can do" (or something like that)

i dont think you think of BM to highly, she is a younko and by no means is she weak. you are dissing the strawhats by saying they should not be able to hold their ground againts her.

[wolfwood]

@S.C.:

Kage, you just don't understand. If your power level is too low, then you can't do anything to someone stronger. Obviously!

Ain't it terrible when Oda writes OP the wrong way.

It's like he doesn't understand that 225 power level always beats 200.

That's like 25 points above. That means squishy wizard goes splat.

[Law-ya]

Hello people I'm also new to this forum. I've been lurking for a few days and this forum seemed to be less DBZ power scaling orientated so I decided to join.

Personally, the Strawhats were amazing here. It was just extremely lucky that they match-up was in their favour. I'd like to remind people that the SHs are not trying to defeat her but simply trying to buy time. Nami was only able to very slightly 'burn' BM because she used BMs own power against her. Think of it less as 'Nami the weakling hurt BM' and more as 'Nami cunningly used a Yonko's own power against her'. The strength of the power came from BM herself so it obviously stands that it will affect her.

Moving on, I wanted to throw in the idea about BM's future role.

I've seen some interesting theories that BM will be off-panelled by BB for Road Poneglyph. I feel like we need BM for Elbaf arc but she's likely not to be the main antagonist in that arc. Not to mention that it will be so underwhelming for BM to be off-panelled (she is a Yonko….) when Luffy repeatedly stated that he will bring her down.

At the same time Oda's track record for male vs female on-panel leaves much to be desired so I'm not discounting the theory.

Another possibility is that BM really likes the cake and doesn't exactly forgive the SHs but won't target them either so in Elbaf she'll be a semi-ally. (remember that Bege was an 'asshole' who took away Sanji and shot Pekoms but he's now an ally so it's not impossible for that to happen to BM)

Personally, I wish Luffy would be the one to take her down at full strength at a later arc but I can see how there are other routes.

[cloudrivera]

@uniaka:

10 days, not just 3.

Well damn lol. They don't play around

[andy]

@cloudrivera:

Well damn lol. They don't play around

Well there powers could make a match really long when you look at it since they both at the same level .

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Kaido:

Akainu would be a tad bit of trouble if he gets knocked into the ocean. None of them would be able to take out Zeus. Fujitora is a living conductor with his sword. Akainu and Kizaru would only make Prometheus stronger. The admirals wouldn't care about the Sunny being destroyed whereas the Straw Hats would.

There is so much more to a fight than simply strength clashing with strength. Strength isn't even a catch-all for everything a person is capable of doing. Nami is physically weak but can work well against weather abilities. And I definitely don't want Bleach-type BS where the opponent is better than a weaker character in absolutely everything, that's just completely boring.

Akainu was going up against all wb commanders and doing great, on top of klin ace and leaving only holes and lava in wb. Compare that with bm vs half a rookie crew. And he would not make Prometheus stronger since he is more like ace, so he burns even fire. And this was about akianu instead of bm not instead of SHs on the ship lol.

Bm pirates don-t look great at all. Marineford show what kind of force you used to need to take one yonkou down yet now half a rookie crew is doing what they please with them.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Joy:

If she didn't want to fight then why the fuck did she attack Jinbe ?

Because she was angry at him. Did you actually read the chapter?

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@uniaka:

Akainu was going up against all wb comm manders and doing great, on top of klin ace and leavving only holes and lava in wb. Compare that with bm vs half a rookie crew. And there is also haki. And he would nto make Prometheus stronger since he is more like ace, ball of fire, so he Burns even fire.

He was rampaging on land, in peak condition, with no one having a good matchup against his lava power. Big Mom is on a ship in the middle of the ocean, starving, looking for cake, and with her homies being susceptible to the Straw Hats' abilities. This is all vastly different.

The Prometheus argument would be legit, but Haki doesn't work on the homies.

[skorpion]

@uniaka:

Akainu was going up against all wb comm manders and doing great, on top of klin ace and leavving only holes and lava in wb. Compare that with bm vs half a rookie crew. And there is also haki. And he would nto make Prometheus stronger since he is more like ace, ball of fire, so he Burns even fire.

i agree with the Prometheus part.
the rest is not relevant. again: if BM wanted the crew dead, THEY WOULD HAVE DIED. its as simple as that. the only reason the survive is because she is focused on the cake.

the is a funny abridge on TMNT in my country where in one episode a monster is destroying all the cars on the road exept the turtle's truck, and the abridge narrator says: "just the tutrl's truck we wont take, so there will be an episode".
yall seems to forget that the strawhats are suppose to win.

[Maju]

the thing that i don't understand it's why zeus doesn't just fly away

[KageKageKing]

@Joy:

I remember when Teach countered WB's fruit, the latter still pinning him down. I remember Enel still hurting Luffy even when the later was the perfect counter. Why do I have to repeat myself ?

Because every situation is different? I mean, it's not like they are still trying to shook her off aren't they?

[andy]

@uniaka:

Akainu was going up against all wb comm manders and doing great, on top of klin ace and leavving only holes and lava in wb. Compare that with bm vs half a rookie crew. And there is also haki. And he would nto make Prometheus stronger since he is more like ace, ball of fire, so he Burns even fire.

The SH are far from rookies now they been in the game for over 2 and half years even if two of them was them getting stronger.
Plus Jinbei is there is he a rookie also ?
You saying compare them but they did no damage to her just slow here down Ivankov did the same with Akainu.
Some of you guys really think the SH are to weak even after the time skip .

[BattleFranky69]

@Law-ya:

Hello people I'm also new to this forum. I've been lurking for a few days and this forum seemed to be less DBZ power scaling orientated so I decided to join.

Welcome! I'm relatively new too. But yeah, I don't get why it isn't more commonly understood that it's more like Pokemon where the analogues of elemental strengths and weaknesses is a major factor here, not just raw strength. Those DBZ-esque things don't apply to characters like Nami and Usopp but they can still make someone much physically stronger than them have a really bad day with their tactics and techniques.

Personally, the Strawhats were amazing here. It was just extremely lucky that they match-up was in their favour. I'd like to remind people that the SHs are not trying to defeat her but simply trying to buy time. Nami was only able to very slightly 'burn' BM because she used BMs own power against her. Think of it less as 'Nami the weakling hurt BM' and more as 'Nami cunningly used a Yonko's own power against her'. The strength of the power came from BM herself so it obviously stands that it will affect her.

Not only that but the matchup of who was on the ship to defend it was absolutely perfect, there was no one else on the crew that could have helped more. They are all either extremely effective against one of Big Mom's aspects (Jimbei's water vs. Prometheus and his strength to stand up to Napoleon, however briefly, and sending her flying; Nami vs. Zeus; and Brook vs. Big Mom herself), or simply excellent at playing defensively (Chopper's Guard point). Protecting the ship until the cake or reinforcements arrive is their only realistic move, they're not stupid enough to think they can actually beat her even in this weakened state. The fact that an entire chapter was named after this transformation of Big Mom's, and that they continued to remark on it throughout this chapter, has somehow fallen on many deaf ears as far as showing how she's become vulnerable, maybe not as vulnerable as when she screamed from the photo of Mother Caramel being damaged, but more vulnerable than she was (and she hasn't used Haki defensively either which might have been able to prevent Jimbei's attack from doing anything, but she's not in the right frame of mind to think about things like that so she's clearly not giving it her all even when she is angry enough to attack or know she's being attacked).

Moving on, I wanted to throw in the idea about BM's future role.

I've seen some interesting theories that BM will be off-panelled by BB for Road Poneglyph. I feel like we need BM for Elbaf arc but she's likely not to be the main antagonist in that arc. Not to mention that it will be so underwhelming for BM to be off-panelled (she is a Yonko….) when Luffy repeatedly stated that he will bring her down.

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense, actually, since it's impossible that her stunning loss here isn't going to make the papers, with that bird guy publishing the story, so once Blackbeard smells blood in the water, he'll strike like a hungry shark. It's the same thing he did with Whitebeard, wait until the Marines softened him up before finishing him off. Although I did expect to see her again as part of a three-way conflict between the Marines, Revolutionaries and a big Pirate Alliance of various groups who aren't good like the Straw Hats or Red Hair Pirates.

Another possibility is that BM really likes the cake and doesn't exactly forgive the SHs but won't target them either so in Elbaf she'll be a semi-ally. (remember that Bege was an 'asshole' who took away Sanji and shot Pekoms but he's now an ally so it's not impossible for that to happen to BM)

Personally, I wish Luffy would be the one to take her down at full strength at a later arc but I can see how there are other routes.

I think the only Yonkou Luffy's going to take down at full strength is Blackbeard, if he defeats Kaido in the next major series of arcs, I expect he'll have to be accompanied by strong allies or using some kind of powerup like another round of Nightmare Luffy. I wonder if eating the cake will make Big Mom turn good rather than evil, like the opposite of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Putting her in a temporary food coma hardly seems like it will be effective at letting them get away unless it also somehow stops her kids from attacking still. And I doubt even Blackbeard would have both gotten wind of this weakness and be in a position to strike this soon.

[Chrior]

@Law-ya:

Hello people I'm also new to this forum. I've been lurking for a few days and this forum seemed to be less DBZ power scaling orientated so I decided to join.

Personally, the Strawhats were amazing here. It was just extremely lucky that they match-up was in their favour. I'd like to remind people that the SHs are not trying to defeat her but simply trying to buy time. Nami was only able to very slightly 'burn' BM because she used BMs own power against her. Think of it less as 'Nami the weakling hurt BM' and more as 'Nami cunningly used a Yonko's own power against her'. The strength of the power came from BM herself so it obviously stands that it will affect her.

Moving on, I wanted to throw in the idea about BM's future role.

I've seen some interesting theories that BM will be off-panelled by BB for Road Poneglyph. I feel like we need BM for Elbaf arc but she's likely not to be the main antagonist in that arc. Not to mention that it will be so underwhelming for BM to be off-panelled (she is a Yonko….) when Luffy repeatedly stated that he will bring her down.

At the same time Oda's track record for male vs female on-panel leaves much to be desired so I'm not discounting the theory.

Another possibility is that BM really likes the cake and doesn't exactly forgive the SHs but won't target them either so in Elbaf she'll be a semi-ally. (remember that Bege was an 'asshole' who took away Sanji and shot Pekoms but he's now an ally so it's not impossible for that to happen to BM)

Personally, I wish Luffy would be the one to take her down at full strength at a later arc but I can see how there are other routes.

Friendly reminder that the territorial sea slugs that act as sentinels for all of Totto Land are currently mesmerized by Praline and kidnapped by the Sun Pirates; and that the tartes that watch over the territory along with the slugs have been gathered in large concentrated fleets to crush the Straw Hats, Firetanks and Germa 66; thus leaving Big Mom's entire home turf without any control over who enters or leaves it. This screams for some outside force to soon come into the country and wreck shit up. I don't know if it's going to be Blackbeard, since he already had the victory against the Revo army right before this arc, so maybe the Marines? Who knows. But it is weirdly similar to what happened in Impel Down when Blackbeard showed up.

[skorpion]

@Maju:

the thing that i don't understand it's why zeus doesn't just fly away

it seems he is just too weak now.
but i cant see in any way that he joins nami. sure maybe she will use him for a few more chapters. but ultimatly he will return to big mom or just dissapear.

[cloudrivera]

Some people on another forum seem to think that Jimbei lost an arm. Does it look that way?

[Blissed]

@Maju:

the thing that i don't understand it's why zeus doesn't just fly away

They said he currently has no energy, meh

[KageKageKing]

Didn't WB got stabbed by surprise at close range by Squard? Why when it's Brook doing that at long range after telling BM to show her panties unnaceptable?

[andy]

@cloudrivera:

Some people on another forum seem to think that Jimbei lost an arm. Does it look that way?

I would think if he lost a arm Oda would put more focus on that .
Plus he seem okay even after that attack .

[skorpion]

@cloudrivera:

Some people on another forum seem to think that Jimbei lost an arm. Does it look that way?

hmmm interesting.. it seems he blocked with his left hand and since than Oda didnt show that hand anymore.
that is a major point if it actually happened.

[Maju]

@skorpion:

it seems he is just too weak now.
but i cant see in any way that he joins nami. sure maybe she will use him for a few more chapters. but ultimatly he will return to big mom or just dissapear.

@Blissed:

They said he currently has no energy, meh

but it looks like he is still flying,otherwise nami could not pinch his "cheek" if he isn't staying up in the air on his own…also brook tells that he can't "go wild",but all he needs to do is move away from them..he did the entire travel from cacao island to the ship on his own

but,yeah,i suppose we have to accept low energy as a not really convincing reason..they could have at least shown them imprisoning him somewhere...even though his "tangibility" has been really inconsistent up to now.

i don't know if nami is gonna keep him, on one hand hand it makes little sense for him to obey to her, on the other it is already the second time it is teased, and storytelling reasons say that if you tease one thing more than once,you kinda have to do it.

[Yobiyopi]

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures? Because compared to previous arcs there is very little to care about here, despite the incredible lenght its reaching. Even Dressrosa had a whole nation in danger, coupled with Law's backstory tied with Doflamingo and a revenge for Corazon, and also aimed at disrupting Kaido's growing power.

In WCI we started quite well with a couple of goals: from saving Sanji to scribble down the Road Poneglyph, and then we had Jinbe and Capone added in the picture. This sounds quite alright but somewhere in the middle we achieved all of it and now we are just seeing a very prolonged escape with nothing at stake or a bigger picture behind it. If anything the one in real danger is BM and her reputation, and because of that i'm inclined in rooting for her as she appears (somehow) at a disadvantage.

Even a small hint of some treasured possession of BM would help, or the plight of some husbands or children, or focusing more on CP-0 intentions or some other wedding guest ties to some influential character (we should see the PH brokers eventually). Instead we got barely anything out of that, and now it just feels a slog until they will eventually escape and continue on their merry way, with more than a year of content completely unnecessary for the overall plot or any development in any form.

It's still enjoyable and fun to read, it's perfectly serviceable for what anyone thinks OP is on a surface level. But for everyone else that knows the story in detail, the latter half of the arc feels very light and inconsequential, which sounds contradictory given the presence of an emperor and a Road Poneglyph sub plot that should add weight and it just doesn't. The saving grace is that Pedro and Pound possibly dying could lead to future arcs to add tension around secondary and tertiary characters before the final one.

[Blissed]

@Maju:

but it looks like he is still flying,otherwise nami could not pinch his "cheek" if he isn't staying up in the eir on his own…also brook tells that he can't "go wild",but all he needs to do is move away from them..he didi the entire travel from cacao islandto the shipon his own

but,yeah,i suppose we have to accept low energy as a not really convincing reason..they could have at least shown them imprisoning him somewhere..-even though his "tangibility" has been really inconsistent up to now.

i don't know if nami is gonna keep him,on one hand hand it makes little sense fro him to obey to her, on the other it is already the second time it is teased, and storytelling reasons say that if you tease one thing more than once,you kinda have to do it.

You think Brook, especially after this chapter, won't just cut him down if he were to try that? It's best to stay put.

[Law-ya]

@Chrior:

Friendly reminder that the territorial sea slugs that act as sentinels for all of Totto Land are currently mesmerized by Praline and kidnapped by the Sun Pirates; and that the tartes that watch over the territory along with the slugs have been gathered in large concentrated fleets to crush the Straw Hats, Firetanks and Germa 66; thus leaving Big Mom's entire home turf without any control over who enters or leaves it. This screams for some outside force to soon come into the country and wreck shit up. I don't know if it's going to be Blackbeard, since he already had the victory against the Revo army right before this arc, so maybe the Marines? Who knows. But it is weirdly similar to what happened in Impel Down when Blackbeard showed up.

I'm desperately wishing that it doesn't turn out that way. It's the first time in a very very long time that Oda has given us a strong female combatant so I do not want her to suddenly lose to an outside force off-panel or for her to become a strawhat ally without the usual 'Luffy beating the enemy before they begrudgingly like him' (Something like Crocodile would be amazing…).

[Maju]

@Yobiyopi:

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures? Because compared to previous arcs there is very little to care about here, despite the incredible lenght its reaching. Even Dressrosa had a whole nation in danger, coupled with Law's backstory tied with Doflamingo and a revenge for Corazon, and also aimed at disrupting Kaido's growing power.

In WCI we started quite well with a couple of goals: from saving Sanji to scribble down the Road Poneglyph, and then we had Jinbe and Capone added in the picture. This sounds quite alright but somewhere in the middle we achieved all of it and now we are just seeing a very prolonged escape with nothing at stake or a bigger picture behind it. If anything the one in real danger is BM and her reputation, and because of that i'm inclined in rooting for her as she appears (somehow) at a disadvantage.

Even a small hint of some treasured possession of BM would help, or the plight of some husbands or children, or focusing more on CP-0 intentions or some other wedding guest ties to some influential character (we should see the PH brokers eventually). Instead we got barely anything out of that, and now it just feels a slog until they will eventually escape and continue on their merry way, with more than a year of content completely unnecessary for the overall plot or any development in any form.

It's still enjoyable and fun to read, it's perfectly serviceable for what anyone thinks OP is on a surface level. But for everyone else that knows the story in detail, the latter half of the arc feels very light and inconsequential, which sounds contradictory given the presence of an emperor and a Road Poneglyph sub plot that should add weight and it just doesn't. The saving grace is that Pedro and Pound possibly dying could lead to future arcs to add tension around secondary and tertiary characters before the final one.

escape and survive sounds like enough of a reason to care for me.

also, technically totland is in peril since if they can't manage to satiate big mom, she will supposedly continue rampaging around and destroying other islands other than nut island.

we haven't seen a lot of the totland inhabitants to actually care about them, but at least it's better than dressrosa where we did knew something and that something made me want to see them die XD

[Blissed]

@Yobiyopi:

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures?

That is exactly what we're rooting for.

[Maju]

@Chrior:

Friendly reminder that the territorial sea slugs that act as sentinels for all of Totto Land are currently mesmerized by Praline and kidnapped by the Sun Pirates; and that the tartes that watch over the territory along with the slugs have been gathered in large concentrated fleets to crush the Straw Hats, Firetanks and Germa 66; thus leaving Big Mom's entire home turf without any control over who enters or leaves it. This screams for some outside force to soon come into the country and wreck shit up. I don't know if it's going to be Blackbeard, since he already had the victory against the Revo army right before this arc, so maybe the Marines? Who knows. But it is weirdly similar to what happened in Impel Down when Blackbeard showed up.

for that happen you will need

a) for the news of the fact that there are no defenses and totalnd is in some kind of crysis to get out of the territory
b) for whoever is interested, to get the info,prepare an invasion fleet and actually reach totland in what are in the story less than 10 hours.

so i can't really say that i see that happening.

in blackbeard's case it was just luck, he didn't knew that there was going to be a crysis at impel down,his plan was always to get there and invade anyway.

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@Blissed:

You think Brook, especially after this chapter, won't just cut him down if he were to try that? It's best to stay put.

while he does seem to take a little damage from being cut,he also reformed itself pretty fast,and once he is at sea, he is not worth following since big momis still behind them and they can't stop to get him back.

[KemuelprojectBR]

Review of Responsible for Sunny 1/2

Nami - She's appalled by Bigmon's landing on the ship, and her first reaction comes from Chopper, seeing Sunny being destroyed.

And when he saw the fighter coming forward to Mama, she had no idea of ​​Jimbei's strength. That for a few seconds held the powerful attack … but seeing that she continued to destroy the deck of the ship, shouted with ONE YONKOU just to try to save Carrot.

After that, Mama does not leave her alone and part of her, and even if she is diverting, she is still very careful to warn Chopper that she was well ... but she was already in sight again and now she was saved by him. With a beautiful and already becoming rare the Chopper appear for something useful, they even received a compliment in the middle of the battle ... Beautiful double !!! One for the other ... I loved it.
What a wonderful combo ...

Nami understands that Jimbei once again gave the cards, and obeys orders to maintain the speed of the ship, even if she is the navigator, meaning the synchrony is perfect among those responsible for Sunny, Nami and Jimbei.

Even in the face of the damage, Nami realizes that now she can give the change, after all her fighting mode consists of medium and long range attacks, because her defense is zero against this opponent. And part up the Achilles tendon of the Breast, your means of transport.

His bait this time did not work, but the MUGIWARA combo shone again as he defended his navigator ... At Brook's cutting speed, he served as a tactical shield, once again saving Nami.

With many acts of madness, Nami and all of us readers, we stood with the hair of a bony old man, asking to see the panties of a YYONNKOUUUU !!!
As if the surprise was not enough, for the third time a mythical combo of the pack, which was organized ... Using the speed of Brook and the bait irrecusable by nature .... this positive charge hits two rabbits in one stone, and Bigmon is HUMBLE for the second time.

And old Nami insists on catching Zeus and praises Brook for the job well done.

Nami now with a score of 2x0 against Zeus, demands servitude ..... What a MAN is that mds !!!!
In this bow this woman has undoubtedly been humiliating Yonkou, showed that teamwork generates more attack power, and unbearably honors the Mugiwara side.

[Raistlin]

@Yobiyopi:

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures? Because compared to previous arcs there is very little to care about here, despite the incredible lenght its reaching. Even Dressrosa had a whole nation in danger, coupled with Law's backstory tied with Doflamingo and a revenge for Corazon, and also aimed at disrupting Kaido's growing power.

You and others might be. I'm rooting for the pay-off for this 65 chapter (and counting) arc for her defeat and maybe downfall.

For them to just escape again for the nth time but actually succeeding? kinda anti-climactic since this whole arc could have ended 20 chapters earlier during the first aborted escape attempt instead of being dragged on till next year. Anyway options are still open, have my preference and look forward to the future chapters.

[andre]

@uniaka:

Akainu was going up against all wb commanders and doing great, on top of klin ace and leaving only holes and lava in wb. Compare that with bm vs half a rookie crew. And he would not make Prometheus stronger since he is more like ace, so he burns even fire. And this was about akianu instead of bm not instead of SHs on the ship lol.

Bm pirates don-t look great at all. Marineford show what kind of force you used to need to take one yonkou down yet now half a rookie crew is doing what they please with them.

You're right. The Straw Hats have taken down a significant amount of the top commanders of the Big Mom Pirates. They really have them running away scared.

[Sibersk Esto]

@Yobiyopi:

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures? Because compared to previous arcs there is very little to care about here, despite the incredible lenght its reaching. Even Dressrosa had a whole nation in danger, coupled with Law's backstory tied with Doflamingo and a revenge for Corazon, and also aimed at disrupting Kaido's growing power.

The effects of the cake subplot and this chase will be what leads to the lasting consequences from this arc. We don't know what that is yet.

[Kai D. Ou]

I don't know why people still keep comparing Admirals to Yonkos as a whole. These are all different characters with different abilities. Being an Admiral/Yonko, just means you're a Top Tier character, it doesn't say anything else about your power. I would say generally speaking the Yonko are slightly stronger, but not every Yonko is > every Admiral. We know Blackbeard was definitely not on par with Akainu when he first became Yonko.

It's the same thing with Yonko Generals. 1st strongest in one's crew could be as strong as 2nd or 3rd strongest in another. You have to judge them all individually.

[KemuelprojectBR]

Analysis of the Responsible for the Sunny 2/2

Jinbe - Beginning with the cover, we can begin an analysis on this legendary and greatest warrior of the fish men that already existed. It has the following relationships.

Bigmon - Ex-ally of one of the 4 largest pirates in the world "a mere Yonkou"
Luffy - Current subordinate of the future king of pirates
Marco - Former ally of territory, the side of the man who has the power to destroy the world.
Minotaur - Watcher of the world's largest prison, where he had the honor of being placed on the level of the most powerful in the world, level 6.
Good Hancok - Partner in one of the biggest belice of the government, the Ouka Shicibukai, and the most beautiful woman in the world, Queen of the Amazons.

Given the relationships above, we can talk about the chapter "Bigmon on Board" who pilots is the Jinbe!

Do you know what he meant by "leaving the ship" in the last chapter? - save your lives because you can not against Bigmon … He gave the beginning thought of saving the pack.

And begins this chapter opening conversation to negotiate with the Mama the life of its nakamas, and realizes that the objective of her are not the mugiwaras but the cake.

He discovers Perosperos, with the truth after all he has nothing to do with Mama's affairs anymore, and takes a mortal attack from BIGMON, DEFENDS BRILLIANT AND STRONGLY, as the fans say head-on hit with a Yonkou, beautiful scene !!!

Nami his defender now wanted him to escape, but when he warned to jump off the ship they thought he was exaggerating ...

The defense was so disconcerting, that Perosperos the person who knows Mama more, erased the frauds !!
Only there the curriculum of the Jinbe is already worth ... Ode very coherent showed who is the strongest. And it's thrown on your real battlefield, out in the sea!

Seeing that in this distanced the rest of the pack, which we can say the weak trio (not be immature in rebating this statement) was in trouble, he soon tried to save Sunny with a shot of water, but SO SURE, which I think we already have 3 members that Jinbe alone can replace, Nami navigator, Zoro Immediate and Usopp Sniper: v

Hit Prometeus in full and jump out of the water like a ninja, his battle mode is very offensive.
And prepares his main technique of karate battle tritão, rising from the sea the drop of his hand is over-supplied.

And the one who has the power is expelled miserably by the humiliating blow given by Jinbe the Pilot OF THE SHIP, I CAN HEAR A GLORY OF HIS CHURCH !!

He is strongly cheered by the band, and shows what honor is the philosophy of their battles, is concerned to keep Sunny as much as possible to get him back to talk to his captain face to face.

Turn your eyes on the course of the ship and the orders on the partial victory that you just had, ask everyone to move on, and ensure that Carrot is well ... Myth up in the words .... I love this guy!

Once the weak trio triumphs, humiliating MAMA ONCE, He takes the helm if he follows the path, counting on this time gained, and the path opened by Carrot ahead ...

It was a brilliant chapter, of combined actions and alternating all with their completed goals, defending Sunny, taking opponents out of the way and following the course of the journey ....

What about Bigmon's pack? the worst that I have ever seen, her strength even though weakened and hungry still has not taken any scratches, but the humiliation she had in this chapter was very large, given the proportions of her opponents, save the Jinbe.

my final remark? Where's Wall-E? cof cof, Where's the Smoothie?

What are the real reasons for Bigmon's casualties?
Protagonism?
Machismos, only the males shine?
Bunch raised about fear?
Plot conventions for Luffy overthrow a Yonkou?

Let's discuss together!

[ItsMrWallace]

Sup guys…i did a quick review of this...check it out...feedback welcome..

[Fanboysins]

I am just saying that yonko shouldn't be used like boulder in indiana Jones.
I know that stronger characters tend to underestimate weaker ones, even luffy did it with ceasar.
However this is already sixth or seventh time big mom catching up to the Straw Hats was a cliff hanger.
And every time she comes lamer she gets. Do you even feel threat from her?
And I know that what straw hats did somewhat makes sense. I understand it , however I have same expression on face that luffy had when he heard that he had to steal poneglif.
It is necessary, but lame. It's my subjective view and I can't do anything about it.
Ps . Do you like my avatar?

[Jinbe10]

@Jaime:

That means she's not going down though….she can be a force on the story of the series or even an ally in the final war.

Why not!
With falling I meant "stop being a villain".

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

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[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Yobiyopi:

What exactly are we rooting for here? For the heroes to escape from BM and continue on their adventures? Because compared to previous arcs there is very little to care about here, despite the incredible lenght its reaching. Even Dressrosa had a whole nation in danger, coupled with Law's backstory tied with Doflamingo and a revenge for Corazon, and also aimed at disrupting Kaido's growing power.

In WCI we started quite well with a couple of goals: from saving Sanji to scribble down the Road Poneglyph, and then we had Jinbe and Capone added in the picture. This sounds quite alright but somewhere in the middle we achieved all of it and now we are just seeing a very prolonged escape with nothing at stake or a bigger picture behind it. If anything the one in real danger is BM and her reputation, and because of that i'm inclined in rooting for her as she appears (somehow) at a disadvantage.

Even a small hint of some treasured possession of BM would help, or the plight of some husbands or children, or focusing more on CP-0 intentions or some other wedding guest ties to some influential character (we should see the PH brokers eventually). Instead we got barely anything out of that, and now it just feels a slog until they will eventually escape and continue on their merry way, with more than a year of content completely unnecessary for the overall plot or any development in any form.

It's still enjoyable and fun to read, it's perfectly serviceable for what anyone thinks OP is on a surface level. But for everyone else that knows the story in detail, the latter half of the arc feels very light and inconsequential, which sounds contradictory given the presence of an emperor and a Road Poneglyph sub plot that should add weight and it just doesn't. The saving grace is that Pedro and Pound possibly dying could lead to future arcs to add tension around secondary and tertiary characters before the final one.

This fight feels a lot like the one against Moriah/Oars on Thriller Bark. Other than them sharing teamup battles, in Thriller Bark I didn't care too much for the race against time to get the shadows back but really enjoyed the fighting that went on in that timespan.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Law-ya:

Hello people I'm also new to this forum. I've been lurking for a few days and this forum seemed to be less DBZ power scaling orientated so I decided to join.

Personally, the Strawhats were amazing here. It was just extremely lucky that they match-up was in their favour. I'd like to remind people that the SHs are not trying to defeat her but simply trying to buy time. Nami was only able to very slightly 'burn' BM because she used BMs own power against her. Think of it less as 'Nami the weakling hurt BM' and more as 'Nami cunningly used a Yonko's own power against her'. The strength of the power came from BM herself so it obviously stands that it will affect her.

Moving on, I wanted to throw in the idea about BM's future role.

I've seen some interesting theories that BM will be off-panelled by BB for Road Poneglyph. I feel like we need BM for Elbaf arc but she's likely not to be the main antagonist in that arc. Not to mention that it will be so underwhelming for BM to be off-panelled (she is a Yonko….) when Luffy repeatedly stated that he will bring her down.

At the same time Oda's track record for male vs female on-panel leaves much to be desired so I'm not discounting the theory.

Another possibility is that BM really likes the cake and doesn't exactly forgive the SHs but won't target them either so in Elbaf she'll be a semi-ally. (remember that Bege was an 'asshole' who took away Sanji and shot Pekoms but he's now an ally so it's not impossible for that to happen to BM)

Personally, I wish Luffy would be the one to take her down at full strength at a later arc but I can see how there are other routes.

Welcome to the forum!

Yeah since oda brought up capone saying she'd kill them anyways even if she got her cake I doubt it's going to go exactly as sanji has planned but its gotta do something or allow for memories of elbaf to be brought. Sanji's cake cant be wasted.

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@Jaime:

That means she's not going down though….she can be a force on the story of the series or even an ally in the final war.

I'm still thinking she might fall later or offscreen to the BB's/Navy boys but your idea is much more fun, especially how we've gotten to know a good amount of the Charlottes. Like imagine luffy and katakuri teaming up, or heck maybe katakuri could be a straight man to law even lol. Yeah Im starting to feel like oda has had so much fun with this group he wont necessarily give them the WB treatment. Like them in the final war would be super interesting.

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@Law-ya:

I'm desperately wishing that it doesn't turn out that way. It's the first time in a very very long time that Oda has given us a strong female combatant so I do not want her to suddenly lose to an outside force off-panel or for her to become a strawhat ally without the usual 'Luffy beating the enemy before they begrudgingly like him' (Something like Crocodile would be amazing…).

Im pretty sure crocodile still doesnt like luffy but respects his drive. I feel like a likewarm split is one possible solution but they night warm up later on as I stated in my last post.

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@skorpion:

hmmm interesting.. it seems he blocked with his left hand and since than Oda didnt show that hand anymore.
that is a major point if it actually happened.

I feel it would be more in oda's style to show something that big, like we saw law lose an arm not law without an arm and then flashback. He's probably got the whole kind of blood thing prevalent in the luffy doffy fight where attacks that werent major still caused them to bleed, like for instance the red hawk

[Law-ya]

@Long:

Im pretty sure crocodile still doesnt like luffy but respects his drive. I feel like a likewarm split is one possible solution but they night warm up later on as I stated in my last post.

Ah yes I meant like a semi-respect or just a begrudging ally like Bege himself even. Something like BM allying with SHs for the sake of a common goal and not because they particularly get along. It could be an team-up against an antagonist in Elbaf. I just don't want BM to be defeated with a cake only. Idk, maybe I'm overthinking it but I can never get too hopeful with Oda and on-panel male vs female.

[KageKageKing]

@Fanboysins:

I am just saying that yonko shouldn't be used like boulder in indiana Jones.

No one complained that with Magellan if I recall correctly. And unlike BM, Luffy may never face Magellan ever and that's give me an empty feeling of satisfaction but I am not bashing Impel Down because of that.

I know that stronger characters tend to underestimate weaker ones, even luffy did it with ceasar.
However this is already sixth or seventh time big mom catching up to the Straw Hats was a cliff hanger.

Of course there would be a cliff hanger. They have to go to WCI to Chocolota Town and we have anout 20 pages per chapter. You can't just end a chapter and go full Game of Thrones by teleporting them right away. There is a whole 8 hours chase here and you should expect those beforehand.

And every time she comes lamer she gets. Do you even feel threat from her?

Yes! Definetly! Just because she didn't kill anyone until now that does not make her less threatening.

And I know that what straw hats did somewhat makes sense. I understand it , however I have same expression on face that luffy had when he heard that he had to steal poneglif.
It is necessary, but lame. It's my subjective view and I can't do anything about it.

Sorry this manga is not for you, champ.

Ps . Do you like my avatar?

No.

[Koliber]

I love those OP fans who react to criticism toward it as if someone spat in their mother's face.

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@Long:

I feel it would be more in oda's style to show something that big, like we saw law lose an arm not law without an arm and then flashback. He's probably got the whole kind of blood thing prevalent in the luffy doffy fight where attacks that werent major still caused them to bleed, like for instance the red hawk

Remember chapter one? I think we might get scene just like this here. Oda was careful to arrange most of the panels in a way you can't tell if he has this arm or not, and the only full body shot he has is actually missing it* with the right one being visible, but it's from afar so you can't really tell what's going on. And I don't remember Jinbe to have a tendency of hiding one hand somewhere.

*EDIT: Now that I look it might be because of the scan quality. It may turn out there is an arm there, but on current Jaimini/mangastream scans it's hard to tell.

[Fanboysins]

Magellan almost killed luffy. He took many years of his life add that to beating blackbeards crew and ivankov. That is why no one complained.
We are going on circles so there is no point in arguing about other stuff.

Ps. I thought that my scetch of kata after being beaten by luffy was cool. boi I was wrong.
Now I have to drink some bleach.

[Redx]

Big Mom was both underwhelming and impressive at the same. Oda has clearly used her starving state to nerf her so the strawhats have a chance but even with her not being able to properly control her souls and being drastically physically weakened they still aren't even damaging her without hitting her with her own attacks. It's like the Avengers or the Fantastic Four still barely fending off a starving Galactus. The shock from her crew members also pretty clearly indicates that this would normally be impossible.

It seems like BM only starts out mindless in her initial starving state but slowly grows more conscious over time

Mama may look scary but Nami is the real witch here. Reminds me of something Oda said about Nami having a "Queenly" nature. OP's number 1 Boss bitch for sure. If BM dies at some point in the story I want Nami to get her DF.

Much like Enies Lobby where the strawhats ended up getting a new ship I think the damage being done to the Sunny here is set up for their ship getting some huge upgrades when Franky starts the repairs. Seems necessary anyways since it'd be weird for them to leave a Yonkou's territory without sustaining some damage.

[Blissed]

@Koliber:

I love those OP fans who react to criticism toward it as if someone spat in their mother's face.

I always feel weird because it'll be where like, I typically agree with them, but ya don't have to tell people to drop the manga lol

[RadioactiveChimp]

@Kaido:

I completely fail to see why Nami's attack is more significant than Squard's. Big Mom effectively shrugged it off in the last page of the chapter like a (wo)man.

Man, I respect ya but you think that Big Mom handled Nami's attack better than WB handled Squards attack. That is just a$$ backwards. Big mom clearly is yelping and howling in pain AND falls on her face only to be saved by her homie Prometheus.

Whitebeard literally DOESNT EVEN BLINK

Big Mom: disgrace to the Yonko name
WB: Epic legend.

Edit: honestly, it's not that hard. Oda portrays WB as the pillar of epicness and BM as a floundering crazed madwoman.

[Redx]

@RadioactiveChimp:

Man, I respect ya but you think that Big Mom handled Nami's attack

That wasn't "Nami's" attack. She used the lightning already within Zeus. Essentially hitting BM with her own attack.

[Cyan D. Funk]

Big Mom gets a bit roughed up

WEAKEST WEAK PERSON TO EVER WEAK, WEAKER THAN PAPER

Big Mom puts up a good fight

ODA OVERHYPING, TIME SKIP WAS FOR NOTHING

[RadioactiveChimp]

@Redx:

That wasn't "Nami's" attack. She used the lightning already within Zeus. Essentially hitting BM with her own attack.

This comment is made invalid by the first attack which was entirely Nami feeding Zeus.

I see where you are trying to go with it, but the fact is Namis command of weather, clima tact, and zeus is able to harm Big Mom very well

Edit: Nobody is saying BM is weak. Big Mom has power, she is just an oaf