Just read the chapter last night. It was pretty nice actually, plus it's good to see the Jinbe and them using thier wits to fight off big mom
Chapter 890: Big Mom on Top of the Ship
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Whoa! What a chapter!
It's becoming more and more likely that this arc will end with half the Strawhats inflicting serious damage to one of the Yonkous.
In her territory.Loved this chapter, but it really screams plot armour, especially concerning Jinbe holding his ground against BM.
Brook being able to slash Zeus under BM's nose (and feet) also feels quite random.
Everything can be explained, but it still feels like BM, even if she's technically close to Kaido in strength, must be way less dangerous than him.
NOT EVEN CLOSE, SIR!
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I don't think you should draw conclusions on this line only
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The translation is probably not totally accurate. What I mean is that there is no way Bigmom will not want to kill them after eating the cake
But what I meant was that's not her primary objective right now. Later yeah she might want to squash them but even that I don't think will happen she likes talking before making a move. She has been shown to be reasonable in exchange for some collateral. Besides you're completely forgetting that after eating the world's most delicious cake she will be in an amazing mood. So I have to respectfully disagree.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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nami isn't getting zeus
first off zeus isnt even loyal to nami, she only used him against the big mom pirates by manipulating him
second, Oda hyped up big mom's ability to manipulate the weather way back in WCI where he showed her using prometheus and zeus to create a storm that covered the entirity of WCI. We barely saw Big Mom use this power, Oda isn't going to hype up an ability and not showcase its strength, especially if big mom does go down this arc. The way i see it, once big mom realizes that perospero lied to her, she will use prometheus and zeus to create a storm and destroy the fleet of BM pirates pursuing the straw hats.
however, i do think it is very likely that nami could get the soru soru no mi if big mom dies in this arc or a later arc
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I like Big Mom opening up the sunny to see inside. It reminded me of the titans from AoT.
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Is this the most damage the Sunny has taken since the timeskip? Or even since it was made perhaps.
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again you are annoyed becase chopper, nami and brook stood up to big mom and stalled her. They didn't defeat her and likely will not. But stalling her from destroying the ship? is that unreasonable for the future Pirate King's crew? I would say at this stage that is the minimum required!
Please, say it again for the people in the back! Just like Luffy knocking out 50,000 fishmen: At this stage, some level of competence from the Pirate King's crew is necessary, expected, and should be celebrated.
I hope you all know that it won't be Luffy vs Blackbeard's crew at the end of the story, right? It's the Strawhat Pirates vs. the Blackbeard Pirates. I hope you all know that it won't be Luffy vs Blackbeard's crew at the end of the story, right? It's the Strawhat Pirates vs. the Blackbeard Pirates. Why are we not happy that they can at least stall a major threat against whom they have the advantage?!
Brook being able to slash Zeus under BM's nose (and feet) also feels quite random.
Everyone acts like Big Mom was just standing there beckoning them to come at her. She was actively prepping an attack of her own–there was no way she was gonna be able to guard her own foothold, too.
Gotta wonder how many of the people complaining started reading at marine ford. Match-up advantages like this were the bread and butter of the first half of the series.
[remove sunglasses][gravelly voice] "Mother of God" [/gravelly voice][/remove sunglasses]
That would explain, just…SO MUCH of the nitpicky complaints that go on in these chapter threads...
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Big Mom has a really unhealthy diet to starve that fast.
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If Big mom was trying to kill them, they will be dead. BM is looking for food. It's obvious that Kid, Apoo and Hawkins did something stupid against Kaidou, they probably attacked him.
You can't compare BM looking for food to WB that wanted to take the entire Marineford down with him.
And seriously you all should stop taking things out of context. Mingo easily defeat Law my ass. The first time, Mingo has psychological advantage over Law and Mingo knows a lot about Law's DF. The second attempt, Law went against Mingo and Trebol at same time, He almost killed Mingo if not for underestimating Mingo DF.
Seriously ? Big Mom didn't even manage to seriously hurt Jinbe. Last time Jinbe faced a true great, he was left with a hole and chose to run knowing full well he doesn't stand a chance.
Also how didn't Doflamingo easily defeat Law ? Law only did serious damage because Doflamingo thought he was dead and Doflamingo didn't even use his full arsenal. That's an easy win.
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Well 4 supernova + 3 crews were low diffed by kaido
. Here we see half crew with only one fighter making joke from big meme.
Well that sounds little bit unrealistic. Big mom being weakened isn't an valid argument , because we have seen sick whitebeards strength.
And unlike warlords who can be on entirely different level ,there should be some balance between yonko. Do you remember after Pedros death straw hats were sad and they wished to become stronger?
Now they suddenly are. I might sound salty ,but believe me I always try to skip over many wired things. But this chapter is both 0 and 10 for me at the same time. -
Why do some people not get the concept of matchups? The only reason the Strawhats are barely struggling to survive at all is because 3 of them have extremely, extremely favorable matchups against Big Mom's powers. Like, if it was literally any other group, even Zoro Sanji and Luffy, they'd be having much less success
Luffy was an extremely good match up against Enel yet Enel still found ways to get around that disadvantage of him. Luffy was under water in a freaking bubble and he still made Hody look like an amateur.
Match ups do not matter when the difference in strength is humongous. Oda has made that perfectly clear multiple times.
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At this stage, some level of competence from the Pirate King's crew is necessary, expected, and should be celebrated.
Absolutely, it's refreshing to see everybody show some competence.
But there is something off. We know that Luffy is still weaker than BM: not so weak that he can be defeated easily by her, but weak enough that he doesn't stand a chance.
Still, BM is being effectively contained by weaker members of the crew.There is an explanation: BM is weakened by hunger, Nami and Brook have abilities that happen to be particularly strong against the homies.
Everything is perfectly sensible, but also quite convenient. Isn't that plot armour by definition? :-)NOT EVEN CLOSE, SIR!
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This only confirms that admirals are above yonkous. Kizaru, serious fujitora and akainu himself would make luffy search for a new crew by now if one of them was on the ship instead of BM.
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I love action-packed chapters like this.
The Strawhats were amazing.
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@Jinbe#10:
But now she is weakened.
I think she won't come back as villain again (expecially after the cake), but of course she'll come back.That means she's not going down though….she can be a force on the story of the series or even an ally in the final war.
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Hey, greetings! This is my first post in these forums and I'm glad to be here!
So, I'd just like to add that given the circumstances in which Jinbei, Nami, Brook and Chopper find themselves in, their actions and results are credited. I mean, Big Mom has been in a starved and crazed state for hours and apparently can not use her haki because of it (probably due to the lack of focus needed to use haki). While also drastically losing weight, which I'm sure has affected her physical strength to some extent.
As for the SH's and their triumphs, I mean, the only one that hurt her with his own power was Jinbei and it was only a push, no one actually caused damage to her except Nami through Zeus which is Big Mom's own power, so the only visible damage done to her was done by her own strengths. On the other side, Brook hurt Zeus (which makes sense since it was stated early in the arc that he could cause damage to her homies, given that Brook was the first person to ever damage Prometheus) and was only given the opportunity to do so by asking to see Big Mom's panties that was so shocking and unexpected that it led to Big Mom to be dazed for a second, which was more than enough time that Brook, the fastest SH (said by Oda himself), needed to carry out his attack on her homie, not her. Meanwhile, Chopper just withstood with his defense oriented form on what I interpret as a hakiless slap directed to Nami (probably hakiless either because Big Mom currently doesn't have the focus needed to use haki or because she didn't deem it necessary to use on someone of Nami's level) , the same form which he as used to block the krakens hit effortlessly (I'm sure the slap by Big Mom caused damage to Chopper to some extent since it was obviously stronger than the kraken's hit).
Primarily, I find that people have a hard time buying the SH's performance in this chapter because Oda has completely avoided giving these characters any fights to demonstrate their full capacity and powers with opponents on their level, so when you put a hyped up character like a Yonko against them, and they do this, it's hard to believe the result because we haven't seen the extent of their powers before. If Oda would have given them full fledged fights in previous arcs, where they would have to go all out (not fishman island where we couldn't get a got sense of their level since they were beating everybody easily), then we could see the results against Big Mom as credible.
Side note: People also tend to take into consideration their personalities as easily scared people to justify them as weak, but this is not the case. Even though they are easily scared, when they are put to the test, they always give their all and personality does not always define strength. Remember that these people were scared and weak before the timeskip, after the timeskip they got stronger but since they haven't faced opponents on high levels and won, they themselves still don't believe they are strong and still get scared easily. This, I hope, becomes less prominent with time as they see themselves as the strong individuals that they are and get scared less easily.
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what a bullshit chapter , how could Brook blitz attacked someone like Big Mom? Even though Brook wasn't aiming for Big Mom , Big Mom should be able to stop him easily. This made G4 Luffy seemed like a joke.
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Great first post. Looking forward to more level headedness around here.
Guys they’ve completely taken advantage of Big Mom’s weaknesses this entire arc and anyone with that many things against them are obviously going to have a hard time.
She lost a sweet commander to a supernova and Luffy took another out of commission.
Her assassiantion attempt was ruined and she didn’t acquire Germa technology she wanted.
Caesar failed her again.
Her eating disorder has been doubly exploited by taking her desired food and starving her.
The whole cake island was destroyed.
Her poor relationship with some of her children has turned the tide against her.
One of her supernova allies betrayed her.
Full moon caused her to get a fleet wrecked.And don’t forget the biggest one of all. She decided to fuck with the FUTURE PIRATE KING. Ya’ll lame ass haters can back off his crew.
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you're completely forgetting that after eating the world's most delicious cake she will be in an amazing mood. So I have to respectfully disagree.
That's true. But tbh, it really is the cheapest thing oda has come up with to unravel this mess
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@Joy:
Luffy was an extremely good match up against Enel yet Enel still found ways to get around that disadvantage of him. Luffy was under water in a freaking bubble and he still made Hody look like an amateur.
Match ups do not matter when the difference in strength is humongous. Oda has made that perfectly clear multiple times.
enel and hodi did way more damage to luffy than what big mom suffered this chapter (as in,zero lasting damage and maybe a bit of charred flesh from her own power being retorted aganst her)@GeeBi:
what a bullshit chapter , how could Brook blitz attacked someone like Big Mom? Even though Brook wasn't aiming for Big Mom , Big Mom should be able to stop him easily. This made G4 Luffy seemed like a joke.
At least the jinbei part is acceptable because jinbei is a shicibukai (quite strong) and was giving surprise attack.big mom is not fast, like,at all..we saw zero feats from her in terms of speed
also,she was on zeus,so whatever dodging might happen doesn't depend from her,but from what she is standing on..you might be the fastest fighter in the world,if i put you on top of a chair and tell you you can't get down, you ain't gonna dodge shit.
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dudes… ive been lurking for years now, but this made me post...
how the hell do you even like one piece if this is youre line of thinking.
its like saying BM is weak because she will lose to Perona. is Usopp stronger than BM? no.
its all about matchups, and if someone think this chapter is bad, than why are you even reading this manga?
plot armor exists for a reason, sometimes the armor is bad like when Law dont switch Doffy's personality with another body (yes yes plot armor works for the opponents too), and sometims its realy good like this chapter, where the match-up is good, and the straw hats worked in a great combo.and also for for christ sake, what do you want from Jinbei? you wanted him to just die from one attack? he is a warlord!!! that means the WG chose him to RESIST the 4 emperors. ofc he will take an attack and survive, and ofc he will send BM flying when she is weakned from starvation.
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@uniaka:
This only confirms that admirals are above yonkous. Kizaru, serious fujitora and akainu himself would make luffy search for a new crew by now if one of them was on the ship instead of BM.
This such BS .
First BM was not trying to kill them .
Plus it seem you forget SB where Kizaru should be able kill them in sec but he did not and that was pre time skip.AEverything is perfectly sensible, but also quite convenient. Isn't that plot armour by definition? :-)
Of course but that happens all the time .
Like Oda made sure that BM thought the cake on the ship so she did not just sink it .
From what we see of her she has many ways to just destroy it . -
enel and hodi did way more damage to luffy than what big mom suffered this chapter (as in,zero lasting damage and maybe a bit of charred flesh from her own power being retorted aganst her)
big mom is not fast, like,at all..we saw zero feats from her in terms of speed
also,she was on zeus,so whatever dodging might happen doesn't depend from her,but from what she is standing on..you might be the fastest fighter in the world,if i put you on top of a chair and tell you you can't get down, you ain't gonna dodge shit.
Hody did zero damage also. Luffy wasn't seriously hurt.
Also how isn't Big Mom fast ? The bitch could react to G4 like nothing.
Like I legit think that most guys here should think some things before they post.
Big Mom in her sleep could literally beat them and somehow now they can easily deal with her using most of her arsenal. It gets even worse the more you think about it.
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How mad would people be if Katakuri gets offscreened? Lol
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@Joy:
Hody did zero damage also. Luffy wasn't seriously hurt.
Also how isn't Big Mom fast ? The bitch could react to G4 like nothing.
Like I legit think that most guys here should think some things before they post.
Big Mom in her sleep could literally beat them and somehow now they can easily deal with her using most of her arsenal. It gets even worse the more you think about it.
Luffy needing blood transfusion is is zero damage?
and what do you expect? the straw hats to just die? they are the STRAWHATS ofc they are going to win and be amazing about it.
they are not "dealing with her" they are delaying her. they have 0 chance of beating her and they know it.Nani?
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Hey, greetings! This is my first post in these forums and I'm glad to be here!
.Good sensible first post! Welcome!
I'm really surprised with the people upset over the accomplishments of the Straw Hats this chapter. Chapters like these are why we read One Piece.
This arc brings to mind feelings I used to have when I first discovered One Piece while Luffy was fighting Krieg. Krieg was hyped as some dirty, nearly unstoppable force to be reckoned with and Luffy proceeds to humiliate him at every turn. I kept expecting each new weapon to become some overwhelming obstical until Luffy reaches his weak point or something. Luffy blew my mind punching through the spiked cape and didn't let up from there. Watching the back ground characters react in awe to this nobody standing up to this huge notorious man in fancy armor just blew my mind.
We didn't get to see much in the way of audience reaction this chapter but it was there. Like who are these guys?! They were able to accomplished that?! I can't stand other stories where it seems like the main character is the only saving grace when ship hits the fan.
@JoyBoy
You are a crooked dirty jocky and you drive a crooked hoss. You keep making these factually incorrect statements by pulling instances from further back in the comic yet you are so far off it almost seems like you do it on purpose. Luffy ended up needing a blood transfusion against Hodi. Hodi bit right into his shoulder. You mention strength being the deciding factor against abilities, well that sure didn't work out for Luffy, Franky, Zorro or Sanji against Peronah.
I'd like to know more about you. How old are you? When did you start One Piece? What arcs did you like? What other stories do you like?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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How mad would people be if Katakuri gets offscreened? Lol
I'm seriously considering that possibility at this point. And then Oda will keep us in the dark about what power Luffy developed in that fight until he uses it against Kaido in 3 years or so.
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So far it just seems like Big Mom is weaker in her skinny form. At least, that seems like what Oda's going for. She's not at full power.
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@Joy:
Hody did zero damage also. Luffy wasn't seriously hurt.
Also how isn't Big Mom fast ? The bitch could react to G4 like nothing.
Like I legit think that most guys here should think some things before they post.
Big Mom in her sleep could literally beat them and somehow now they can easily deal with her using most of her arsenal. It gets even worse the more you think about it.
luffy needed a freaking blood transfusion after his bout against hodi,what the hell are you talking about? ò_ò
also,just re-read chapter 871 and you will see that luffy didn't went against her with speed, he announced his arrival and went to her face, he didn't try to speed blitz her.@MrBits:
So far it just seems like Big Mom is weaker in her skinny form. At least, that seems like what Oda's going for. She's not at full power.
well we barely saw her fight in fat-form..all we know is that she was short of breath before starting the attack (but she doesn't seem to have any problems now) and that her sons are surprised by her agility but really don't know anything about what she can do in this shape.
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People need to chillax. I think representation of BM is fine b/c currently she's more of a wild animal than a fighter w/ years of experience. She's strong still bc she took how many attacks? and it didn't do jack shit against her. She just keeps going. If she was in her right mind and doing all her techniques, she'd be yonko strength for sure.
edit: and some of the attacks on her like Nami's giant thunder attack few chapters back, she just glanced it off.
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@uniaka:
This only confirms that admirals are above yonkous. Kizaru, serious fujitora and akainu himself would make luffy search for a new crew by now if one of them was on the ship instead of BM.
If one of them was on the ship, Oda would've rewritten his plot armor so that the Strawhats would force their retreat instead. Point blank simple.
Again, we can't expect the Strawhat crew to be brutally murdered before the end of the story; the entertainment is in the execution of how they get out of life-threatening situations. And this chapter was a hella entertaining execution.
How mad would people be if Katakuri gets offscreened? Lol
I want Oda to do it just to see peoples' heads explode X-D
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luffy needed a freaking blood transfusion after his bout against hodi,what the hell are you talking about? ò_ò
also,just re-read chapter 871 and you will see that luffy didn't went against her with speed, he announced his arrival and went to her face, he didn't try to speed blitz her.
Totally.
Also just reread last chapter and you can see that Perospero is amazed by BM agility in her new "skinny" form. that implies that she isnt regulary so fast.me and you Maju used to argue alot back on punk hazard days, dont know if you remeber :P but it seems you are now on the "right track"
Nani?
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Luffy needing blood transfusion is is zero damage?
and what do you expect? the straw hats to just die? they are the STRAWHATS ofc they are going to win and be amazing about it.
they are not "dealing with her" they are delaying her. they have 0 chance of beating her and they know it.Yep it the same thing they have been doing for many chapters now .
It's like people forget when they were on land some chapters ago and did the same thing just to buy time to get on the ship.
She keep coming after them back then and doing the same thing now. -
We'll probably get something regarding her current state in the following chapters. While Daifuku's reaction to Jinbe's attack was more like a shock, Perospero's was a confused "…....?". He seemed to have noticed something is not quite right, I suppose he will make a comment about it and we can confirm BM is considerably weaker then.
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People need to chillax. I think representation of BM is fine b/c currently she's more of a wild animal then a fighter w/ years of experience. She's strong still bc she took how many attacks? and it didn't do jack shit against her. She just keeps going. If she was in her right mind and doing all her techniques, she'd be yonko strength for sure.
edit: and some of the attacks on her like Nami's giant thunder attack few chapters back, she just glanced it off.
Just saying tho, Akainu and Aokiji fought for like 3 days straight right? It seems like Big Mom won't ever last that long fighting anyone. Not saying she's weak, but her stamina seems to be her weak point.
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Luffy needing blood transfusion is is zero damage?
and what do you expect? the straw hats to just die? they are the STRAWHATS ofc they are going to win and be amazing about it.
they are not "dealing with her" they are delaying her. they have 0 chance of beating her and they know it.Luffy only got a blood transfusion because the wound opened up and the blood transfusion didn't even make sense since Luffy spills gazillions of blood in every major fight he gets. That was just Oda wanting to draw that beautiful scene with Jinbe and the whole blood transfusion between a human and a fishman.
What ? Big Mom failed to hurt anyone, Jinbe threw her off the ship, she lost Zeus and Chopper blocked her attack without even getting hurt. They are clearly dealing with her easily. ALso the Straw Hats are amazing ? I remember the straw hats being treated like trash by Kuma. I remember the straw hats going through hell against Moriah. I remember Franky clearly stating that if not for Luffy, Lucci would have killed them all. I remember Enel seriously injuring nearly everyone.
I also remember these things a couple of arcs back
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-723-page-17.html
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-724-page-5.html
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I wonder if king kong gun could push big mom like jinbei just did, that was some strong stuff.
king kong gun could not, the trick was it was a water based attack on a wet devil fruit user
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@Joy:
Luffy only got a blood transfusion because the wound opened up and the blood transfusion didn't even make sense since Luffy spills gazillions of blood in every major fight he gets. That was just Oda wanting to draw that beautiful scene with Jinbe and the whole blood transfusion between a human and a fishman.
What ? Big Mom failed to hurt anyone, Jinbe threw her off the ship, she lost Zeus and Chopper blocked her attack without even getting hurt. They are clearly dealing with her easily. ALso the Straw Hats are amazing ? I remember the straw hats being treated like trash by Kuma. I remember the straw hats going through hell against Moriah. I remember Franky clearly stating that if not for Luffy, Lucci would have killed them all. I remember Enel seriously injuring nearly everyone.
I also remember these things a couple of arcs back
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-723-page-17.html
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-724-page-5.html
if you treat a CLEARLY MAJOR TURNING POINT IN THE MANGA like the blood transfusion as "fluff" than you and me have nothing to talk about. we are clearly not reading the same manga.
Nani?
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@Joy:
Luffy only got a blood transfusion because the wound opened up and the blood transfusion didn't even make sense since Luffy spills gazillions of blood in every major fight he gets. That was just Oda wanting to draw that beautiful scene with Jinbe and the whole blood transfusion between a human and a fishman.
What ? Big Mom failed to hurt anyone, Jinbe threw her off the ship, she lost Zeus and Chopper blocked her attack without even getting hurt. They are clearly dealing with her easily. ALso the Straw Hats are amazing ? I remember the straw hats being treated like trash by Kuma. I remember the straw hats going through hell against Moriah. I remember Franky clearly stating that if not for Luffy, Lucci would have killed them all. I remember Enel seriously injuring nearly everyone.
I also remember these things a couple of arcs back
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-723-page-17.html
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-724-page-5.html
Now you are comparing the current SHs to pre-Ts SHs? The ones who couldn't even deal with a Pacifista by themselves?
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Totally.
Also just reread last chapter and you can see that Perospero is amazed by BM agility in her new "skinny" form. that implies that she isnt regulary so fast.me and you Maju used to argue alot back on punk hazard days, dont know if you remeber :P but it seems you are now on the "right track"
oh, believe me, you ain't the only one I've argued with :P
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if BM wanted the crew on the Sunny dead, they would have died. period.
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Good sensible first post! Welcome!
I'm really surprised with the people upset over the accomplishments of the Straw Hats this chapter. Chapters like these are why we read One Piece.
This arc brings to mind feelings I used to have when I first discovered One Piece while Luffy was fighting Krieg. Krieg was hyped as some dirty, nearly unstoppable force to be reckoned with and Luffy proceeds to humiliate him at every turn. I kept expecting each new weapon to become some overwhelming obstical until Luffy reaches his weak point or something. Luffy blew my mind punching through the spiked cape and didn't let up from there. Watching the back ground characters react in awe to this nobody standing up to this huge notorious man in fancy armor just blew my mind.
We didn't get to see much in the way of audience reaction this chapter but it was there. Like who are these guys?! They were able to accomplished that?! I can't stand other stories where it seems like the main character is the only saving grace when ship hits the fan.
@JoyBoy
You are a crooked dirty jocky and you drive a crooked hoss. You keep making these factually incorrect statements by pulling instances from further back in the comic yet you are so far off it almost seems like you do it on purpose. Luffy ended up needing a blood transfusion against Hodi. Hodi bit right into his shoulder. You mention strength being the deciding factor against abilities, well that sure didn't work out for Luffy, Franky, Zorro or Sanji against Peronah.
I'd like to know more about you. How old are you? When did you start One Piece? What arcs did you like? What other stories do you like?
Already answered the Hody stuff. Factually incorrect ? I'd like you to prove those statements wrong.
I'm 22, I started OP around 2010, I liked all of OP arcs even most of Dressrosa, I love the series it's by far my favorite. Thing is if I see some bullshit like we saw in this chapter I'm going to criticize it. Oda played it smarted in the previous encounters with Big Mom where he did not have the crew fight her directly, instead using other means to escape her but here we have an utter humiliation of Big Mom with utter ease.
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Well 4 supernova + 3 crews were low diffed by kaido
. Here we see half crew with only one fighter making joke from big meme.
Well that sounds little bit unrealistic. Big mom being weakened isn't an valid argument , because we have seen sick whitebeards strength.
And unlike warlords who can be on entirely different level ,there should be some balance between yonko. Do you remember after Pedros death straw hats were sad and they wished to become stronger?
Now they suddenly are. I might sound salty ,but believe me I always try to skip over many wired things. But this chapter is both 0 and 10 for me at the same time.Again, they have both Brook and Nami that have very specific abilities to counter Big Mom's attacks and they have a former Warlord with them that can counter Prometheus.
If you go around and think BM should have finished the job quick because she is supossed to be an 1000 fighting double digits then your logic is flawed.
It's like complaining Pikachu could never do damage to a Gyarados.
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Now you are comparing the current SHs to pre-Ts SHs? The ones who couldn't even deal with a Pacifista by themselves?
Yeah and somehow they grew strong enough to deal with a Yonko without a sweat. What the hell.
Also you don't get the point of my post. I comparing the difference in portrayal each villain has gotten. You don't seem to understand that though.
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@O:
king kong gun could not, the trick was it was a water based attack on a wet devil fruit user
well, the kong gun from luffy was met with another punch from big mom and they pretty much tied in terms of power, here jinbe attacked her without any defense raised or punch thrown to counteract
also remember that fishmen karate is made explicitly to be effective against hard defenses,since it atatcks through the water in the atmosphere and inside the target body,at least in the high-end tecniques
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@Joy:
Already answered the Hody stuff. Factually incorrect ? I'd like you to prove those statements wrong.
I'm 22, I started OP around 2010, I liked all of OP arcs even most of Dressrosa, I love the series it's by far my favorite. Thing is if I see some bullshit like we saw in this chapter I'm going to criticize it. Oda played it smarted in the previous encounters with Big Mom where he did not have the crew fight her directly, instead using other means to escape her but here we have an utter humiliation of Big Mom with utter ease.
Big Mom has a thunder cloud and a small sun, correctly? We have Jinbe that can counter fire and Nami and Brook that can counter a thunder cloud. How is that bullshit?
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Big Mom has a thunder cloud and a small sun, correctly? We have Jinbe that can counter fire and Nami and Brook that can counter a thunder cloud. How is that bullshit?
Kage, you just don't understand. If your power level is too low, then you can't do anything to someone stronger. Obviously!
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@Joy:
Luffy only got a blood transfusion because the wound opened up and the blood transfusion didn't even make sense since Luffy spills gazillions of blood in every major fight he gets. That was just Oda wanting to draw that beautiful scene with Jinbe and the whole blood transfusion between a human and a fishman.
What ? Big Mom failed to hurt anyone, Jinbe threw her off the ship, she lost Zeus and Chopper blocked her attack without even getting hurt. They are clearly dealing with her easily. ALso the Straw Hats are amazing ? I remember the straw hats being treated like trash by Kuma. I remember the straw hats going through hell against Moriah. I remember Franky clearly stating that if not for Luffy, Lucci would have killed them all. I remember Enel seriously injuring nearly everyone.
I also remember these things a couple of arcs back
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-723-page-17.html
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-724-page-5.html
Seem you like to pick and choose what suit you while not looking at everything else.
Also why are you bringing up pre time skip stuff that don't matter any more in this context .Since you said they dealing with her easily here is page in the manga .
https://readms.net/r/one_piece/890/4798/14
Where Brook said he know he can't hurt her .
If you can't hurt someone all you can do is run which what they have been doing for many chapters already. -
Big Mom has a thunder cloud and a small sun, correctly? We have Jinbe that can counter fire and Nami and Brook that can counter a thunder cloud. How is that bullshit?
I remember when Teach countered WB's fruit, the latter still pinning him down. I remember Enel still hurting Luffy even when the later was the perfect counter. Why do I have to repeat myself ?
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Just saying tho, Akainu and Aokiji fought for like 3 days straight right? It seems like Big Mom won't ever last that long fighting anyone. Not saying she's weak, but her stamina seems to be her weak point.
10 days, not just 3.
