Chapter 888: Lion

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You know, looking back the past chapters, getting a full moon now maybe wasn't so out of nowhere.

This is the third night since they arrived on Totto Land. The first night was when they got stuck on the frozen sea, chapter 830, and the moon was almost full already. Oda made sure to show the moon many times in that chapter.
The third night was then they left the chateau and met with Bege. That night the sky was completely covered with clouds (most of the time was also raining) and the sky was shown to have cleaned only after the dawn, so the moon was never visible.

Since we already knew the full moon had some effect on the minks and given how Oda subtly hints at things, those should have been enough for us to have noticed something like this chapter could be coming.

Also, this reminded me that the sea at Totto Land freezes during the night, so we should expect the same to happen next chapter or soon after that. Wonder how that will affect the chase (Firetanks and Germa should be fine as their ships probably can keep moving over the frozen ocean).

[Rollin]

no chapter this week or delay?

[KageKageKing]

@Rollin:

no chapter this week or delay?

Chapter 888 was a double issue so nope.

[Johnny B. Decent]

@AfroSamurai:

Minks can only be mammals right? We haven't seen a snake mink or a bird mink or an amphibian mink, I think. It'd be interesting if there were a species of human-animal hybrid for every category. Fishmen are fish (and invertebrates -.-), Minks are mammals… I want an Arachnoids island, and a reptilian island. Yes I do.
Birdpeople island would be cool too...

Minks are animals with fur only. Wanda mentioned their main source of meat is fur-less animals like boars and crocodiles.

[BattleFranky69]

@fuzi11:

well, I asked this question somewhere before, because there have been a couple frog people on whole cake island. But it is hard to answer if it is an entire race or just homies.

Now Big News Morgans is definitely a birdperson and not a homie. So there you have it, there are at least Fishmen, Minks and Birdpersons. Amphipeople are as of yet possible but due to the nature of Wholecake island it's hard to tell what they are.

Yeah, that's a whole weird thing. I mean, what about demon people like Magellan and Bartolomeo and Moria? None of those got any kind of explanation either (though I like the theory that they're descendants of Oars).

@S.C.:

Minks are animals with fur only. Wanda mentioned their main source of meat is fur-less animals like boars and crocodiles.

Are they differentiating between hair and fur? Because otherwise boars shouldn't be included in that.

[Katzztar]

@Count:

I assume that the Minks are like the Fishmen where they inherit traits of random aquatic species throughout their entire bloodline of various animals just because diversity.

Yes, its been mentioned before, back during the Zou arc, we see a fox child and his mom (though I can't remember her form,think it was a deer) and they were not the same animal form.
Oda has the ? in theSBS vol.84
According to Den's explanation on page 36 of volume 63, anyone in Fish-man island can have any kind of child. What's the situation with the minks, then? P.N. OP Girl

O: Same property. There are all biological patterns on Zou: deer with a fox child, or pandas with a panda child, etc.

@AfroSamurai:

Minks can only be mammals right? We haven't seen a snake mink or a bird mink or an amphibian mink, I think. It'd be interesting if there were a species of human-animal hybrid for every category. Fishmen are fish (and invertebrates -.-), Minks are mammals… I want an Arachnoids island, and a reptilian island. Yes I do.
Birdpeople island would be cool too…

I want that Arachnoid Island too! It would be a case where Sanji would be the one to be panicking and screaming "Noooo!" along with Nami, while Usopp is cool with it. Well any island that has big bugs would be freak Sanji out as we saw in Jaya, he freaked with average bugs! XD … and Usopp revealed he used to train spiders to fight to Sanji & Nami as he held a freaking big spider (as big as his hand).

[AfroSamurai]

@Katzztar:

I want that Arachnoid Island too! It would be a case where Sanji would be the one to be panicking and screaming "Noooo!" along with Nami, while Usopp is cool with it. Well any island that has big bugs would be freak Sanji out as we saw in Jaya, he freaked with average bugs! XD … and Usopp revealed he used to train spiders to fight to Sanji & Nami as he held a freaking big spider (as big as his hand).

That settles it, Usopp’s army will be a massive arachnoid army

[Sereques]

@thegab:

Couldn't Chopper be considered a Mink though? Minks are just sentient animal humanoids. Unless genetically there is something else special about them, couldn't we argue Chopper eating the DF transformed him from animal to Mink?

How can you say a deer that ate a DF should be considered a race? WTH?

Chopper is a reindeer, end of story.

[BattleFranky69]

@Sereques:

How can you say a deer that ate a DF should be considered a race? WTH?

Chopper is a reindeer, end of story.

I think the best way to put it would be, Chopper is very biologically similar to a Mink and is probably genetically compatible as a potential mate for females of the Mink species despite his origin not being a part of their heredity. Sort of like, he is to Minks what SMILEs are to regular Devil Fruits.

[Fraco]

@BattleFranky69:

My prediction is she'll have such a reaction to the deliciousness, it'll trigger a massive discharge of all the soul energy she's accumulated and it will create a chain reaction that will devastate any of her forces that are attempting to halt the Straw Hats' escape, making a clean getaway for them and the other non-Big Mom crews.

My prediction is quite similar, I do believe that we will see something that will involve also some major characters of this arc and unexpected allies. Even without the soul power the BM army is Huuuuuge and I don't think they would let SH escape easily without an opposing army powerful enough to scare them and make them peaceful. In any case, I don't see no alternatives to BM passing out of deliciousness.

[thegab]

@Sereques:

How can you say a deer that ate a DF should be considered a race? WTH?

Chopper is a reindeer, end of story.

Chopper is no longer just a reindeer. He's gained sentience.

I'm saying, whatever evolutionary process the minks went through to evolve, could be compared to chopper eating the df. Minks evolved over time, while chopper evolved the instant he ate the df. No, chopper isn't literally a mink because he wasn't born in the tribe, duh, but he's as close to a mink as one can get without actually being one.

Chopper is a human/ reindeer hybrid, so you're wrong saying he's just a reindeer, end of story.

Saying chopper can't be anything more the a reindeer is ridiculous. Df obviously change a person's DNA. Their bodies transform. Unless you're just fine with magic being your explanation, and aren't willing to dive any deeper.

The changes to chopper's body ,due to the effects of the df, could have changed his DNA to closely resemble the mink' s DNA.

[BattleFranky69]

@Fraco:

My prediction is quite similar, I do believe that we will see something that will involve also some major characters of this arc and unexpected allies. Even without the soul power the BM army is Huuuuuge and I don't think they would let SH escape easily without an opposing army powerful enough to scare them and make them peaceful. In any case, I don't see no alternatives to BM passing out of deliciousness.

The only possible alternative I can conceive of is, somehow the truth about Mother Caramel comes to light and it's so devastating to her that it causes another screaming tantrum and the noise paralyzes everyone not already out of range.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@AfroSamurai:

That settles it, Usopp’s army will be a massive arachnoid army

Along those 80 millions soldiers to the Great Wave Event?? Why not.

But let gaze it from above… Devil Fruits includes animals, along with some races and shit... but the only character that truly handles the Flora, is mah God... and if Oda doesn't abroad the realm of plants... is gonna be a dissapointment.

[Schabrak]

@thegab:

Chopper is no longer just a reindeer. He's gained sentience.

I'm saying, whatever evolutionary process the minks went through to evolve, could be compared to chopper eating the df. Minks evolved over time, while chopper evolved the instant he ate the df. No, chopper isn't literally a mink because he wasn't born in the tribe, duh, but he's as close to a mink as one can get without actually being one.

Chopper is a human/ reindeer hybrid, so you're wrong saying he's just a reindeer, end of story.

Saying chopper can't be anything more the a reindeer is ridiculous. Df obviously change a person's DNA. Their bodies transform. Unless you're just fine with magic being your explanation, and aren't willing to dive any deeper.

The changes to chopper's body ,due to the effects of the df, could have changed his DNA to closely resemble the mink' s DNA.

DF powers aren't hereditary, so he's still just a reindeer. A reindeer using a DF to act like human and can turn partially or fully into a humanoid form.

[KageKageKing]

@thegab:

Chopper is no longer just a reindeer. He's gained sentience.

I'm saying, whatever evolutionary process the minks went through to evolve, could be compared to chopper eating the df. Minks evolved over time, while chopper evolved the instant he ate the df. No, chopper isn't literally a mink because he wasn't born in the tribe, duh, but he's as close to a mink as one can get without actually being one.

Chopper is a human/ reindeer hybrid, so you're wrong saying he's just a reindeer, end of story.

Saying chopper can't be anything more the a reindeer is ridiculous. Df obviously change a person's DNA. Their bodies transform. Unless you're just fine with magic being your explanation, and aren't willing to dive any deeper.

The changes to chopper's body ,due to the effects of the df, could have changed his DNA to closely resemble the mink' s DNA.

By that logic, Sengoku is pretty much a god.

[thegab]

@KageKageKing:

By that logic, Sengoku is pretty much a god.

I mean, a human/ Buddha hybrid, maybe.

I guess what I'm arguing is that devil fruits are more than just magic, and there's scientific explanations to them (in universe explanations obviously) I'd be willing to bet once we get around to Vegapunk, we might get a better understanding of how they work. I'm going with they actually alter the user's DNA, and Vegapunk has discovered this, which is how he's able to create his experiments. Like adding kizaru' s lasers to the pacifists.

[KageKageKing]

Isn't a Buddha like a title you received after achieving divine enlightment or something? I don't think you can be something in between those two things.

Also I could say that Harry Potter is 1/4 Deer because his Father could turn into one.

[thegab]

@KageKageKing:

Isn't a Buddha like a title you received after achieving divine enlightment or something? I don't think you can be something in between those two things.

Also I could say that Harry Potter is 1/4 Deer because his Father could turn into one.

Sure you could. You'd be making a false equivalence and it won't hold any merit, but you can say that.

I'm saying whatever alterations made to chopper' s body after eating the devil fruit pretty much made him a mink in all but the name, because he wasn't born in the tribe.

Sengoku wouldn't be half god, but his body's DNA changed from eating the df to allow that transformation. Or it's just magic, but I hope Oda doesn't go that route and I don't think he will. I'm sure Vegapunk will be able to scientifically explain devil fruits more than just magic

[Medical Orbit]

I've noticed that vegetables are the only kind of food with zero representation in Big Mom's territory.

Desserts are all over the place. For dairy, there's a cheese island. For meat, there was chocolate-covered chicken in Chocolat Town. Compote is the minister of fruit. But unless I'm forgetting something, we haven't seen any vegetables…no island or person that represents them, and no vegetables being sold. I wonder if they're Big Mom's least favorite food group.

[Count Mario]

@Medical:

I've noticed that vegetables are the only kind of food with zero representation in Big Mom's territory.

Desserts are all over the place. For dairy, there's a cheese island. For meat, there was chocolate-covered chicken in Chocolat Town. Compote is the minister of fruit. But unless I'm forgetting something, we haven't seen any vegetables…no island or person that represents them, and no vegetables being sold. I wonder if they're Big Mom's least favorite food group.

The Big Mom Pirates mention a "Green Town", so I assume that's where all of the vegetables are.

!

[Johnny B. Decent]

There's no meat island, either.

[Medical Orbit]

Oh, okay. I don't think I noticed that town name before.

There's not a meat island, but chocolate-covered meat was shown.

[Johnny B. Decent]

Ugh! Chocolate fried chicken sounds so damn gross.

[KageKageKing]

Is it so weird for not having vegetables in Totland? Totland theme is more into sweets and treats then food in general.

I guess Green Town is where they get Tea Leaves.

[Medical Orbit]

It's not weird, just something I noticed.

[BattleFranky69]

@S.C.:

Ugh! Chocolate fried chicken sounds so damn gross.

Well, chicken and waffles sounds bizarre to me but it's apparently popular enough to have entire restaurants specialize in it. This just goes a step further.

Green town might just be for growing sugar cane (which I assume is green most of the time) and possibly wheat for starches (which I don't know if it's ever green at any point in its growth cycle) so it doesn't necessarily mean veggies, although very few sweet plants are purely green.

[Captain M]

I haven't read the whole thread to see if this has been suggested yet, but having seen little bits of the Chopper debate, have we considered the idea of a Human-Human Fruit, Minkman Model? Like, most Zoans we've seen so far have a transformed mode that's near to if not indistinguishable from a normal animal of its type. Chopper's never gone full human, but some of his "human" forms could pass for mink. And Monster Point explains itself it this scenario.

I don't think it's likely this will be a canon thing, but it does sorta work, right?

[BattleFranky69]

@Captain:

I haven't read the whole thread to see if this has been suggested yet, but having seen little bits of the Chopper debate, have we considered the idea of a Human-Human Fruit, Minkman Model? Like, most Zoans we've seen so far have a transformed mode that's near to if not indistinguishable from a normal animal of its type. Chopper's never gone full human, but some of his "human" forms could pass for mink. And Monster Point explains itself it this scenario.

I don't think it's likely this will be a canon thing, but it does sorta work, right?

I don't know if that would work out logistically because you'd have to consider that, based on their origin and genetics, Fishmen and Merpeople Devil Fruits would not exist since if the sea hates them, having a DF that would make them into one of those that can breathe underwater would be silly. So that's one race that couldn't take advantage of that. And giants, well, that's another race but you'd think a DF that simply allows you to change size to multiple different degrees would make more sense than one that only lets you go between two sizes. So I think apart from the standard Human-Human and mythical models, there wouldn't be any other subspecies of humans available via Devil Fruits. There'd just be too much exclusion to be as fun as the idea would sound at first glance.

[Dohs]

So what if Katakuri can predict the future? Luffy just need to combine ssj with kaioken!

Also talking cannonballs reminded me of Patches: "I'm in charrrrrrge now!"

Carrot went SSJ3 lol.

Carrot for new nakama?

[Jabberwok]

@BattleFranky69:

I don't know if that would work out logistically because you'd have to consider that, based on their origin and genetics, Fishmen and Merpeople Devil Fruits would not exist since if the sea hates them, having a DF that would make them into one of those that can breathe underwater would be silly. So that's one race that couldn't take advantage of that. And giants, well, that's another race but you'd think a DF that simply allows you to change size to multiple different degrees would make more sense than one that only lets you go between two sizes. So I think apart from the standard Human-Human and mythical models, there wouldn't be any other subspecies of humans available via Devil Fruits. There'd just be too much exclusion to be as fun as the idea would sound at first glance.

I mean, the data points seem to somewhat contradict each other but they do make some sense.

On one hand, there are multiple zoan fruits out there that have multiple models of very similar things. Bison and Giraffe might be rather different for the Ushi Ushi no Mi, but Dog and Dalmatian are incredibly similar. There's no reason that a Longarm, Snake-neck, or Dwarf model of the Human fruit couldn't exist. As far as Fishmen or Minks go, there's no real "average" form for them since they're based on specific animals. Oda could probably cobble something together or arbitrarily pick something if he really wanted one.

On the other hand, Chopper can't actually transform into a full human and there's no real explanation given why. My interpretation is that he doesn't have the Human fruit so much as a generic Humanoid one that gives average humanoid features like bipedalism and humanoid thumbs. Retaining his fur, though, suggests to me that not all humanoids are devoid of fur and thus Minks are more likely some offshoot of people than animals.

[RomanceDawn]

@BattleFranky69:

I don't know if that would work out logistically because you'd have to consider that, based on their origin and genetics, Fishmen and Merpeople Devil Fruits would not exist since if the sea hates them, having a DF that would make them into one of those that can breathe underwater would be silly.

While I agree with your over all point I will say we do have one example of a Zoan fruit giving the user gills. Whether or not the gills are actually usable is anyone's guess but Smiley is the first and only fruit user so far to be given a means to breath under water. I can't imagine they were just for show.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@Dohs:

So what if Katakuri can predict the future? Luffy just need to combine ssj with kaioken!

I can see the development of that.

Luffy: " I can win against the 1BM!"
Rayleigh: "When you're about to die, go further Luffy, that's the only way to grow stronger"
3 minutes after
Luffy:"Gomu no Giant Jet Kong insert something"

The very idea of both opponents fighting to predict the next movement is shitty as crap Pretty much what you say is the most logical thing to happen.

[Dohs]

Yeah It seems like Luffy just need to get faster and stronger in order to overcome Katakuri. But also he will probably try to get him off balance again in order to break his concentration. But if that will be the only reason he wins that would feel really cheap.

[Fraco]

@BattleFranky69:

The only possible alternative I can conceive of is, somehow the truth about Mother Caramel comes to light and it's so devastating to her that it causes another screaming tantrum and the noise paralyzes everyone not already out of range.

yeah, that's true! but i think it would be more anticlimatic, even if still realistic

[Blissed]

@Dohs:

Yeah It seems like Luffy just need to get faster and stronger in order to overcome Katakuri. But also he will probably try to get him off balance again in order to break his concentration. But if that will be the only reason he wins that would feel really cheap.

I thought his thoughts before going off to face Katakuri one last time made it pretty clear that he has no intention of purposely attempting to tilt Katakuri.

[c0nflikt]

I think luffy is just going to try aomething, he may try a few times or not fully succeed bit it will defeat dogtooth.

[K. Kira XXIII]

Katakuri is eating nothing less than a King Kong Gun.

[STP_PS]

@K.:

Katakuri is eating nothing less than a King Kong Gun.

What about this…

1. Luffy will enter Baka Mode which will lead to katakuri being unable to predict his next move
2. Then In Baka Mode, Baka Luffy will enter Baka G4
3. In Baka G4 Luffy is an unpredictable Baka monster
4. Katakuri get's baka punched and baka K.Od//

I cringed each time I read this but .....:ninja:

[K. Kira XXIII]

King Kong Baka Punch works wonders.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@Dohs:

Yeah It seems like Luffy just need to get faster and stronger in order to overcome Katakuri. But also he will probably try to get him off balance again in order to break his concentration. But if that will be the only reason he wins that would feel really cheap.

That's Luffy style.

Luffy's Poundman won against an opponent that had a quarrell before when even his insides where aimed to damage him, the man as nerfed as he was (something that could place Whitebeard above him in the nerf-o-meter) it simply withstanded that fight, along with a relentless attitude seeking victory that led us to failure of battle builded for the mere sake of hype.

Luffy's Tankman won against an opponent that… hated to be hurt. I can infer/guess that the man got a phobia to pain... defeated after a single crush... and still presented an unique threat that leave Japan's sacred OP's Yamcha boy in losers pit. Still, Luffy gave us an offpaneled battle that it simply denoted that his battle worth pretty much a Bellamy's one. No reason to give a big length to that.

Now Luffy's pulling a Crocodile one... with the difference that Luffy doesn't want to use the very same weakness that mah boi Sir Croc had, just because wanna be stronger... and thinks that pulling a clairvoyance skill, he will do it?? Pfft, so lame and shitty

[BattleFranky69]

@Jabberwok:

I mean, the data points seem to somewhat contradict each other but they do make some sense.

On one hand, there are multiple zoan fruits out there that have multiple models of very similar things. Bison and Giraffe might be rather different for the Ushi Ushi no Mi, but Dog and Dalmatian are incredibly similar. There's no reason that a Longarm, Snake-neck, or Dwarf model of the Human fruit couldn't exist. As far as Fishmen or Minks go, there's no real "average" form for them since they're based on specific animals. Oda could probably cobble something together or arbitrarily pick something if he really wanted one.

On the other hand, Chopper can't actually transform into a full human and there's no real explanation given why. My interpretation is that he doesn't have the Human fruit so much as a generic Humanoid one that gives average humanoid features like bipedalism and humanoid thumbs. Retaining his fur, though, suggests to me that not all humanoids are devoid of fur and thus Minks are more likely some offshoot of people than animals.

But those other offshoots of humanity aren't different species, just mutations of the same species, not even a different genus. I actually looked this stuff up and when you compare a giraffe to a bison, the divergence occurs at the classification level of Family (preceded by the commonly shared Order of Artiodactyla) rather than in the following Genus or Species. If Oda continues to split these differences at the lower levels that makes it less sensible to combine something at the Order or Family level rather than Genus, Species, or even Sub-Species (like homo neanderthalensis vs homo sapiens). If Oda uses this to combine giraffes and bison at the level of Order, then there is no such thing as the Ape-Ape Fruit or Monkey-Monkey Fruit because they share the same Order (Primate), and Family (Hominidae), as us, so by not dividing things up more finely, Oda's lumping all variations of humans with all variations of every great ape and monkey which I would be willing to bet very few people would be completely comfortable with. So if we find an inconsistency with this pattern just for the sake of…whatever Oda's whim is, then there could probably be exceptions but we'll have to wait and see if there has been any kind of primate DF other than Hito-Hito no Mi and if it's called something different.

Someone mentioned Smiley having gills. Isn't the species of his DF amphibious? Like, is it structured in such a way that it can breathe underwater indefinitely like a fish or are there limits on how long it can do that, like aquatic mammals?

[Bond en Avant]

@BattleFranky69:

Someone mentioned Smiley having gills. Isn't the species of his DF amphibious? Like, is it structured in such a way that it can breathe underwater indefinitely like a fish or are there limits on how long it can do that, like aquatic mammals?

Most salamanders lose their gills upon adulthood, which means they can no longer breathe underwater indefinitely. But the species Oda used, the axolotl, is quite the exception.
It's a species of salamander that never loses its gills, which means it can breathe underwater for as long as it has to.

I don't really have anything else to add to the conversation, just thought this might help you out.

[Jabberwok]

@BattleFranky69:

But those other offshoots of humanity aren't different species, just mutations of the same species, not even a different genus. I actually looked this stuff up and when you compare a giraffe to a bison, the divergence occurs at the classification level of Family (preceded by the commonly shared Order of Artiodactyla) rather than in the following Genus or Species. If Oda continues to split these differences at the lower levels that makes it less sensible to combine something at the Order or Family level rather than Genus, Species, or even Sub-Species (like homo neanderthalensis vs homo sapiens). If Oda uses this to combine giraffes and bison at the level of Order, then there is no such thing as the Ape-Ape Fruit or Monkey-Monkey Fruit because they share the same Order (Primate), and Family (Hominidae), as us, so by not dividing things up more finely, Oda's lumping all variations of humans with all variations of every great ape and monkey which I would be willing to bet very few people would be completely comfortable with. So if we find an inconsistency with this pattern just for the sake of…whatever Oda's whim is, then there could probably be exceptions but we'll have to wait and see if there has been any kind of primate DF other than Hito-Hito no Mi and if it's called something different.

Someone mentioned Smiley having gills. Isn't the species of his DF amphibious? Like, is it structured in such a way that it can breathe underwater indefinitely like a fish or are there limits on how long it can do that, like aquatic mammals?

I kind of doubt Oda cares about taxonomy enough to keep the models straight like that, but then again most people wouldn't know that a giraffe and bison are from the same Family. On the other hand, the fruit for Pell's falcon roughly translates to the "Twee Tweet Fruit" and the Accipitridae family of raptors isn't exactly the tweeting type.

More data needed plz, Wano get here soon.

[churlyryan]

There's going to be at least one more chapter in 2017, right? You just can't ever know this time of year.

[kevo_koma]

I think Luffy has to physically surpass Katakuri in this arc.

Its the best way Luffy can grow and become confident enough to potentially stand up to a Yonkou one on one(as it is, he's barely a nuisance to BM when it comes to physicality).

So I don't expect Luffy to use tricks or strategy to beat Dogtooth. Instead I expect Luffy to try and surpass him at everything he excels at, so that by the end of the arc Luffy will be a legit top tier Haki user because he'll be able to use the advanced armament and the foresight one.

He should also come out with a new way to use his DF creatively and intelligently.

[Buggy D. Clown]

The schedule is gonna be like this weeks chapter, break, chapter, break, chapter and things will go back to normal breaks then

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

Also with Oro Jackson under a lawsuit, I'm guessing more n more people will be coming to Ap forums

[zachri]

I still want Smoothie to crush me between her thighs, killing me instantly.

Also Carrot killed me. Holy hell. All the Mink OCs gonna have a field trip with this…
...wonder if Bepo has a 'true form'?

[Kai D. Ou]

@K.:

Katakuri is eating nothing less than a King Kong Gun.

That's assuming Luffy finishes the fight in Bounceman. Oda does everything in 3s, so a last form wouldn't be surprising. If that happens I don't see KKG.

Although, him defeating Doflamingo and Katakuri with a KKG, and then Kaido casually tanking it, would be a class on shonen 101 enemy hype.

[BattleFranky69]

@Jabberwok:

I kind of doubt Oda cares about taxonomy enough to keep the models straight like that, but then again most people wouldn't know that a giraffe and bison are from the same Family. On the other hand, the fruit for Pell's falcon roughly translates to the "Twee Tweet Fruit" and the Accipitridae family of raptors isn't exactly the tweeting type.

More data needed plz, Wano get here soon.

Not the same Family, the same Order. Family is where they diverge. But Order is still fairly high up so that encompasses a crapload of different species just because it exponentially increases how many fit within it for every classification up the ladder you go. Shortening it to Family, at least, would help a little bit still would not prevent the Hito-Hito no Mi from including apes.

Also, did X Drake's T-Rex fruit have a name? Because if it's the Dino-Dino fruit, despite the similarities between them and modern avians, that would put a definite line between them. But then, if Oda just arbitrarily lumped giraffes and bison together (really weird if he didn't at least glance at a phylogeny chart) then that wouldn't necessarily present a problem. Just…weird.

[K. Kira XXIII]

@Kai:

That's assuming Luffy finishes the fight in Bounceman. Oda does everything in 3s, so a last form wouldn't be surprising. If that happens I don't see KKG.

Although, him defeating Doflamingo and Katakuri with a KKG, and then Kaido casually tanking it, would be a class on shonen 101 enemy hype.

That's why I said nothing less. He isn't going to finish the fight with Katakuri with anything less impressive than King Kong Gun. I would love to see King Kong Gatling.