Looks like they're trying to make Star Trek in to Guardians of the Galaxy. First impression is a very big nope.
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I like it. Putting aside the choice of music used (which I also like, but regardless the new films have established that Jim likes the Beastie Boys), it looks to have a lot of not just action, but also exploring and braving the unknown, and maybe even some of the political drama that fans of the so-called "real" Star Trek seem to thrive on so much.
The poor, abused Sexyprise though. It pains me to see her get wrecked like that. But maybe the movie will end with a refit or upgrade…?
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the so-called "real" Star Trek
No one calls it that though… Everyone just goes with "non-shit Star Trek." :v
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Leonard Nimoy must be rolling in his grave…
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It looks like Star Trek as directed by the Fast and the Furious guy. Is what it is. Not good, not bad, just what NuTrek is.
Kind of like NuWho versus old Doctor Who. Bigger emphasis on action and sex, less on actual exploration of the human condition, thought, sci-fi.
I didn't care for the reboot film (and not just because it erased the old continuity or whatever. That was fine, and most of the recasting was decent. I didn't like it because it was stupid, the same reason I didn't like 5, 9, 10, or most of Voyager and Enterprise.) Never saw nor do I intend to watch the second film, so I probably won't see this one either. Unless the reviews are super positive, I guess.
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I feel the Enterprise getting torn apart by… whatever those are should elicit more of a response from me then this trailer does.
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Oh yeah, after willingly starring in the first two of the new Star Trek films and helping pass the torch to the new cast, I'm sure he'd be devastated by a third one happening…
I didn't like the first film, hated the second, thought they were nothing like what Star trek should be. But even then, if you squinted hard enough, you could maybe see Star Trek?
This is really, really not Star Trek. It's like this weird mix of Guardians of the Galaxy with Fast and Furious. it doesn't remotely respect the spirit of the show.
And even on its own merits, it just looks dumb and fillery.
This is just greedy producers taking a beloved franchise and trying to frankenstein it into the most (what they think) is the demographically appealing vehicle, integrity be damned.
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As someone who grew up on all things Star Trek, I enthusiastically disagree and really enjoy the new films. They've still got plenty of the elements of the old Star Trek, just with a shiny new coat of action-thriller paint. The franchise was stagnating with things like Voyager, Enterprise, and the later TNG films all under-performing, and these quasi-reboot movies have breathed new life into it all. It's a little more on the shallower action side, yes. But Star Trek's old messages and themes of a brighter future are all still there. It's just that they're now part of a total package that people besides hardcore Trekkies can actually enjoy.
I do understand that the new movies are different from the old Star Trek, that's a given. But the "shouldn't' even be called Star Trek" attitude I kep seeing directed at them was a big annoying exaggeration for the last two films, and it still is with this one. Not to even mention that comments like "Nimoy would be rolling in his grave" are disrespectful and presumptuous, too.
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Yes, this is what Star Trek needed, to be turned into stupid popcorn flicks, I'm sure this is the vision Rodenberry had in mind. For his beloved work to be in the hands of the guy who made movies about fast cars.
If you like these films that's fine but don't presume my complaints about them end with they're not Trek. I would overlook that if I didn't think they're so awfully written. I mean you're really underselling how shallow they are. I'm struggling to remember if the movies explored any interesting themes other than generic fluff like the hero's journey and some weirdly dark stuff like Oedipus complexes. I guess the second one kinda had something about eugenics, kinda? Until Khan became a mindless villain. Absolutely none of the fascinating complex sci-fi concepts from the original trek. These movies and especially this new movie aren't the perfect hybrid you're making them out to be, they're far more skewed to the popcorn crowd because that's where the money is.
Okay maybe the Nimoy comment is a tad too soon, I was trying to be funny, mea culpa. I find it funny though that you think I'm being disrespectful when this trailer pretty much spat in the eye of what Trek used to stand for.
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At the very least, it can't be as bad as Profit and Lace, Threshold, or A Night in Sickbay.
Trek has done some awful and stupid stuff in its time.
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At the very least, it can't be as bad as Profit and Lace, Threshold, or A Night in Sickbay.
Trek has done some awful and stupid stuff in its time.
Besides Enterprise?
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@TLC:
Which is the one which had two characters turn into lizards and mate?
Threshold!
And to further cement my nerdiness (on a manga/anime forum none the less), was anyone else bothered by the implications that Kirk was able to touch someone mid transport in order to take her with him?
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And to further cement my nerdiness (on a manga/anime forum none the less), was anyone else bothered by the implications that Kirk was able to touch someone mid transport in order to take her with him?
Nothing new there, that's a trick thats been done a couple times. Off the top of my head, in movie 4. Though maybe that was a last second grab right before transport, but same basic thing.
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Threshold!
And to further cement my nerdiness (on a manga/anime forum none the less), was anyone else bothered by the implications that Kirk was able to touch someone mid transport in order to take her with him?
I didn't realize it until now but you're right, that is absolutely contradictory to the entire series.
Apologism starts now. Perhaps they were trying to beam up two but only had a lock on Kirk's position?
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Nothing new there, that's a trick thats been done a couple times. Off the top of my head, in movie 4. Though maybe that was a last second grab right before transport, but same basic thing.
Ooh, you're right! When the marine biologist grabs Kirk. Damn it Jim, quit breaking the laws of transporter physics!
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Just saw the trailer for Fast & Furious in Space.
At this point all I can hope is that fighting coreography is good, lol.
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@TLC:
Which is the one which had two characters turn into lizards and mate?
Lol, totally forgot about Paris banging captain Jane.
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@TLC:
If you like these films that's fine but don't presume my complaints about them end with they're not Trek. I would overlook that if I didn't think they're so awfully written. I mean you're really underselling how shallow they are.
I agree. Both films had a promising start, only to turn into a festival of shallow charactes, plot inconsistencies and plot devices. I won't expect more than some entertaning breakneck action from the new one.
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As someone who grew up on all things Star Trek, I enthusiastically disagree and really enjoy the new films. They've still got plenty of the elements of the old Star Trek, just with a shiny new coat of action-thriller paint.
Could you give any examples of these elements?
they're now part of a total package that people besides hardcore Trekkies can actually enjoy.
You don't have to be a hardcore trekkie to enjoy Star Trek. You just have to be able to appreciate old things and sci-fi to some extent
I do understand that the new movies are different from the old Star Trek, that's a given. But the "shouldn't' even be called Star Trek" attitude I kep seeing directed at them was a big annoying exaggeration for the last two films, and it still is with this one.
With Star Trek: Into Darkness it's not an exaggeration. You can't have whitewashing in a Star Trek movie. Especially when it's, like, extra stupid whitewashing…
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I wonder who was the first person that said "we need to put motorcycles into Star Trek".
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Leonard Nimoy when he directed Star Trek 4.
There were also motorcycles in Voyager and Enterprise a couple times.
ANd hey, Picard was in a dune buggy, so whatever.
It's been way too long since I watched the 4th. Remember the buggy with the machine gun on top idiocy. Kirk also rode a motorcycle in Star Trek to get from point A to point B. There were no motorcycle acrobatics as far as I can recall.
I should have been more specific. Just replace "motorcycle" with "motocross".
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Well if you didn't like the new trailer Simon Pegg didn't like it either and he helped write it.
The movie might be more Trek than the trailers let on.
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Well that all sounds nice, and nobody would be happier than me if the movie had more Trek stuff, but you don't hire Justin Lin to put more Trek stuff into a movie.
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You might hire Simon Pegg to, though. And who knows? Maybe Justin Lin is a closet Trekkie.
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New trailer
Some new footage. I like it a lot better than the beastie boys one. The plot doesn't seem deep or anything special though. It seems new so I don't think they'll be bludgeoning the audience with reference again. I'm going to see it still but my expectations are low.
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That looked like the NX Enterprise at the end.
I can't be the only one thinking that right?
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That looked like the NX Enterprise at the end.
I can't be the only one thinking that right?
I slowed the video down and it does look more like NX than anything from other shows (as far as I can remember). Nacelles are not as cylindric, and main hull isn't as round.
And it also looks a lot smaller, unless those mountains are incredibly huge.
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Another thing I loved about the trailer. The new effect for warp speed, that ripple in water look was absolutely beautiful.
I'm shocked to say that I'm excited for the movie again. I now wish that first trailer really never happened.
If this ends up being good at the very least, Justin Lin will start to become one of my favorite directors.
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Some people say that Star Trek having the meld of Guardians of the Galaxy with Fast and Furious is a bad idea but to me I think it's a good idea to add action because just having Star Trek Be nothing but a positive utopia future where everything is almost resolve with diplomacy can be a bore but that's just me and yes, I'm very aware that there are already actions in the series. But the new Star Trek movies intended to take it to an higher level however I mostly prefer a mixture of diplomacy and action then what the movie made it out to be. The trailer however looks good but will wait to see the movie before I can fully judge it.
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The problem is Star Trek isn't Guardians of the Galaxy mixed with Fast and Furious. There's more to it than that and they haven't explored it. It's not supposed to be a utopia where everything is solved via diplomacy but rather about the conflicts that could arise between multiple space farring species competing over space and resources or the problems you could encounter while exploring uncharted space. The new movies don't really go after either of these things and Star Trek is a hugely successful series that has spawned multiple accompanying series and other media so it's not like it's impossible for those types of stories to be told in different ways.
I think the problem is if you're going to spend 150 million dollars on a film you want a huge return on that investment so they try to make the films appeal to as many people as possible so you end up with Guardians+F&F instead of something that resembles Star Trek. I don't think they could get away with making a movie like Star Trek I or IV these days and I don't think they want to even try.
They could try to turn the Dominion War into a film series or do something similar with their current cast instead of making stand alone adventures. I think that would be a good compromise.
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@joekido:
because just having Star Trek Be nothing but a positive utopia future where everything is almost resolve with diplomacy can be a bore
You've never actually seen Star Trek have you?
There's fights and lasers and splosions all the time in Trek. Even before the reboot.
It's weird that Trek has this perception of "it's always just talking" when… it's really not.
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You've never actually seen Star Trek have you?
There's fights and lasers and splosions all the time in Trek. Even before the reboot.
It's weird that Trek has this perception of "it's always just talking" when… it's really not.
I thought I made it pretty clear that I did watched the show and yes it did have actions but not as much as we saw in the movies. My point is if that if they are going to turn Star Trek into a hybrid of GoG and FF then unless if done right it should not much bother me if they manage stick close to the Star Trek core. So i'm just speaking out my honest mind that it's actually up to you to agree or not. And of course it's not always them talking. But I apologize if it had appeared that I missed the entire point
However I don't quite like the last 2 movies very much but I liked the effort they made to make it new and fresh but they should have made more work on the inconsistency of the script. I hope they are doing better with this one
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Battling a large foreign race is kind of a staple of Star Trek. I'd be really pleased if they didn't totally defeat this new hive race and set up future conflicts.
A legit character death wouldn't go amiss either. Probably Chekov.
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There's fights and lasers and splosions all the time in Trek. Even before the reboot.
Especially in the movies. Most of them have always depended upon a certain amount of action to draw in larger audiences. Meanwhile the TV series tend to tell the more high-brow and intellectual stories. I suspect the new CBS series will do the same thing.
The new movies are shifted a little bit more towards the action side of things than most of the original 10, but not to a degree that justifies so many of the blanket "mindless fighting and explosions" complaints they get.
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The new movies are shifted a little bit more towards the action side of things than most of the original 10, but not to a degree that justifies so many of the blanket "mindless fighting and explosions" complaints they get.
The comedy was dumb and the plot was awful. They DID deserve that critisism. Classic Trek had its dumb stories and awful movies too, don't get me wrong, (we all just pretend 5 never happened) but you REALLY had to turn your brain off to have NuTrek work.
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I dunno, creating a hyper teleporter and then barely using it, building your super secret battleship in the heart of the federation, and the federation not lifting a finger when said battleship has a fight with the flagship of starfleet in earth orbit all seemed perfectly logical to me
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So apparently in the new movie Sulu is going to be gay.
They decided on it as tribute to George Takei.
Okay.
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Battling a large foreign race is kind of a staple of Star Trek. I'd be really pleased if they didn't totally defeat this new hive race and set up future conflicts. A legit character death wouldn't go amiss either. Probably Chekov.
Well this post is now quite chilling.
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So apparently in the new movie Sulu is going to be gay.They decided on it as tribute to George Takei.Okay.
That seems odd. Cause…Well shouldn't Takei's sexuality not be the thing they try to give tribute about like it's his main defining personality trait?Also Sulu isn't dating anyone. Or are they going to give him random dialog or a boyfriend to even bring this up?Also it's sorta funny they'd even go that route since Quinto is playing Spock. But he's gay irl. Seems unnecessary and I'm someone that would normal be thrilled for more exposure of positive homosexual depictions.
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Thyll apparently be giving him an adopted daughter or something, and be with a guy. Just like a side casual thing but not a big deal?
And lets face it, Takei is much more famous as being gay at this point… and Sulu's sexuality really never came up in the franchise outside of mirror universe. Whereas Spock is canonically straight.
I wonder if there even can be gay vulcans, and if there are, how does the Pon Far work.
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Apparently Takei himself didn't want Sulu to be gay, and would have preferred they made a new character.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/george-takei-tried-to-convince-the-team-behind-star-tre-1783306619
Sulu has been straight the last fifty years, this is like him coming out of the closet now. Which is a bit against Gene's vision.
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Yeah, twisting Gene's vision he says… -_-' Unfortunately that ship has already sailed... Warped. Whateves. And in quite spectacular fashion in the last film.
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Reviews are coming and this looks like a winner.
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Saw it last night. Definitely the best of the New Trek movies. I dare say I loved the movie.
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Just got back from seeing Beyond. I friggin' loved it. Reviews saying that it feels like a high-budget TOS episode are right on the money.
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Watched Beyond half an hour ago.
It was a pure entertainment just like anything I've seen related to Star Trek.Ahh that Sabotage scene was pure awesome. I wish more films utilise kick-ass rock music in their action scenes.
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Watched Beyond half an hour ago. It was a pure entertainment just like anything I've seen related to Star Trek.
I take if you've never watched any of the TV series then (that's not a dig, just an observation that the movies have always been pure entertainment while the TV show was generally more cerebral and philosophical). Two big Star Trek fans I know both agreed that this movie feels a bit more genuinely Trek than the last two, so I guess that's a good thing.
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Two big Star Trek fans I know both agreed that this movie feels a bit more genuinely Trek than the last two, so I guess that's a good thing.
Not really. It's still just an action movie in Star Trek clothes. It's a good movie, yes, but it's not really "Star Trek" (though I'd really like to know what your friends thought made this movie more "Star Trek"). So if you liked the first movies, you'll probably like this one. If you didn't, then you probably won't like this one either.
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Not really. It's still just an action movie in Star Trek clothes. It's a good movie, yes, but it's not really "Star Trek" (though I'd really like to know what your friends thought made this movie more "Star Trek"). So if you liked the first movies, you'll probably like this one. If you didn't, then you probably won't like this one either.
I won't know until after I see it and ask - I don't really want spoilers. They weren't super happy about it, just "satisfied". Neither of them liked the second one much and neither did I but we were all ok with the first one. Just judging by past experience, I'll probably have a similar opinion. But I'm not expecting to be wowed, just enjoy a fun movie.
