Also luffy did not struggle against Don he was kicking his ass until he run out of time .
That means he struggled. He pounded Dofla with everything he had and still couldn't knock him out before running out of time.
Also luffy did not struggle against Don he was kicking his ass until he run out of time .
That means he struggled. He pounded Dofla with everything he had and still couldn't knock him out before running out of time.
Have to say Luffy got ROCKED by that punch, for it second it looked like when WhiteBeard uses his powers and everything cracks.
Creativity here isn't in the fact but in how it's presented, i wouldn't have minded him winning if it involved something other than exploiting a vulnerability tailored to fit, sure it's amusing, we all laughed at seeing Katakuri's true self, but i don't want Luffy's first solo victory against a top tier fighter to be because of a gag. As you said i'm not nearly as creative as Oda, so i couldn't offer you an alternative in this situation, but then again, he's the one who put himself there, so i'd expect him to solve the matter in a satisfactory manner.
There was no mention of "extreme amounts" of composure, you need to be calm to use CoO that's all, it's nothing exclusive to Katakuri. As for his power i think it was made public a while ago that it was only changed from Logia because he isn't made of a natural element, so we didn't really learn much, we saw him move like a logia, create and shape matter like a logia, and go beyond that to control it at will. If anything his power is more OP than a logia.
The thing is, Oda seems to want us to believe that Katakuri's only been doing so well thanks to his CoO when he's previously spent chapters showing us that he in fact outclasses Luffy in speed, power and technique. Now most people seem to think gear 4th makes Luffy a God (he clearly seems to think it himself), and that i don't buy, not after the struggle against Doflamingo or the lackluster performance against Cracker. Luffy shouldn't be able to win, and if the best Oda can think of is this, well I'll have to accept it and move on, but don't tell me it's creative or an interesting turn of events.
Oda never showed Kata surpassing Luffy in all base stats. Even when Kata was beating out G2 it wasn't depicted in a way that shpwed him outclassing his speed, he just knew where Luffy was going and was already attacking where he'd end up.
Oda has been showing Luffy having to overcome characters who have strong abilities through different means. The fight with Cracker was difficult not because Luffy wasn't strong enough but because Cracker had an endless supply of biscuit shields, Luffy could easily brea k them in G4. As for Doflamingo people keep misunderstanding Laws involvement as a way of nerfing Doflamingo when it was nothing more than giving Law some credit and resolution to his character arc with DD. He had to fight and do SOMETHING to Doflamingo but Oda tried to send the message that Doflamingo was fine through his string mending. As soon as Luffy went G4 he was ragdolling Doflamingo and Doflamingos attacks were useless against G4.
Have to say Luffy got ROCKED by that punch, for it second it looked like when WhiteBeard uses his powers and everything cracks.
Reminded me of the first time he received Rokuougan.
Oda never showed Kata surpassing Luffy in all base stats. Even when Kata was beating out G2 it wasn't depicted in a way that shpwed him outclassing his speed, he just knew where Luffy was going and was already attacking where he'd end up.
I think he has actually explicitly tried to show that Luffy wasn't truly outclassed at least in speed by Katakuri saying no one has been able to dodge him like Luffy has.
That means he struggled. He pounded Dofla with everything he had and still couldn't knock him out before running out of time.
Hardly. Do you think if Luffy went G4 and hit Dofla with King Kong Gun right off the bat Doflamingo would've gotten up? I think not. There was not one bit of that fight in G4 where G4 looked outmatched by Doflamingo.
Hardly. Do you think if Luffy went G4 and hit Dofla with King Kong Gun right off the bat Doflamingo would've gotten up? I think not. There was not one bit of that fight in G4 where G4 looked outmatched by Doflamingo.
I think he probably would've gotten up. You dont use your strongest move right off the bat for that very reason. Doffy needed to be more damaged and weakened (than he already was) to make sure luffy' s finisher would end it.
I think he probably would've gotten up. You dont use your strongest move right off the bat for that very reason. Doffy needed to be more damaged and weakened (than he already was) to make sure luffy' s finisher would end it.
In story it was because Luffy thought Leo Bazooka was enough to finish him. Not one part of me believes DD would shake King Kong Gun off considering how regular Kong Gun ragdolled him.
Oven showing up to Sanji and Pudding's location kinda has me thinking he'll end up helping out with the cake at some point in the nearish future… specifically with his DF for some emergency on the run cake-baking.
Katakuri was changing the form of his body into Mochi when Luffy attacked him.
You can only use Observation when you are calm.
I am glad Gear Fourth is something Katakuri is handling.
Again, Bounty is used to determine how strong someone is too. Stated even by Pudding, again!
That's like three times in one arc. It's time for the Deniar Liars to admit it.
BTW, good chapter fellas. Did you all see the BALANCE? It had action, and story advancement.
Only if we could get this consistently we'd be better off.
I can’t deny Sanji’s words were easily the most badass thing he has said in a LONG time. I guess today will be the day.
In story it was because Luffy thought Leo Bazooka was enough to finish him. Not one part of me believes DD would shake King Kong Gun off considering how regular Kong Gun ragdolled him.
Ya, went back and looked at the damage regular Kong gun, you're probably right.
Still can´t warp my head around Kong Organ attack. Luffy's literally creating extra arms! Is'nt this like awakening? this bothers me since Cracker and Luffy's fight
Still can´t warp my head around Kong Organ attack. Luffy's literally creating extra arms! Is'nt this like awakening? this bothers me since Cracker and Luffy's fight
Its a pseudo kong gun gatling but he cant do it as fast as normal gomu pistols so it only looks like 4 instead of the whole barrage.
Still can´t warp my head around Kong Organ attack. Luffy's literally creating extra arms! Is'nt this like awakening? this bothers me since Cracker and Luffy's fight
Think it's just the speed giving off the illusion of multiple arms.
Oda never showed Kata surpassing Luffy in all base stats. Even when Kata was beating out G2 it wasn't depicted in a way that shpwed him outclassing his speed, he just knew where Luffy was going and was already attacking where he'd end up.
Oda has been showing Luffy having to overcome characters who have strong abilities through different means. The fight with Cracker was difficult not because Luffy wasn't strong enough but because Cracker had an endless supply of biscuit shields, Luffy could easily brea k them in G4. As for Doflamingo people keep misunderstanding Laws involvement as a way of nerfing Doflamingo when it was nothing more than giving Law some credit and resolution to his character arc with DD. He had to fight and do SOMETHING to Doflamingo but Oda tried to send the message that Doflamingo was fine through his string mending. As soon as Luffy went G4 he was ragdolling Doflamingo and Doflamingos attacks were useless against G4.
What else am i supposed to take from a scene like this ?
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This isn't just CoO, seeing where Luffy is going to go wouldn't let him catch up after the fact unless he was faster.
As for Cracker, if you can't go through your ennemi's defenses, you're not strong enough. Cracker's soldiers are as much a part of him as Luffy's rubberiness.
I won't get pulled in a discussion about the Doflamingo fight though, the rather fond memory i have of it would be dashed if i started thinking about it too much. I said what i thought of it up above.
Really gave me the impression of being fists in his forearms and byceps, being as you say makes a lot more sense though
Hardly. Do you think if Luffy went G4 and hit Dofla with King Kong Gun right off the bat Doflamingo would've gotten up? I think not. There was not one bit of that fight in G4 where G4 looked outmatched by Doflamingo.
Do you think Dofla would have tried to guard against it the same as he did against Kong Gun. I think not.
Kong Gun succeeded partly because Dofla created a perfect situation for it not to miss him. Not trying to discredit Luffy here, but King Kong Gun is flashy and it needs to be timed well in order to hit.
Another great chapter.
Can someone explain the title for me? Why is it called "Who?"
its about pound being outside
Oven showing up to Sanji and Pudding's location kinda has me thinking he'll end up helping out with the cake at some point in the nearish future… specifically with his DF for some emergency on the run cake-baking.
Or, he could have arrived right in time for Capone to wipe the floor with him. Pound is technically his father-in-law whose life Chiffon certainly values: that gives him stakes in the fight whereas Sanji is supposed to dedicate his whole attention to cooking.
Altogether I'm enjoying Sanji's cooking feat and the way he is leading a small army of chefs, but I think it would tarnish his merit if Devil Fruits - Oven's or anyone else's - became involved. It'd be Law operating the PH kids all over again: a protagonist is trying to reap the benefits of their hard work and suddenly some guy with magic powers comes and achieves in a minute what would have taken them hours if not worse. Devil Fruits can do that, but I find it underwhelming.
We have no baseline to say how strong and fast the Gear makes him, which is a rather convenient if cheap way for Oda to pull power ups that shouldn't be possible.
Why should they not be possible ?
Are you saying that Oda should have given number saying gears make him 4 stronger \faster etc etc .
Do you think Dofla would have tried to guard against it the same as he did against Kong Gun. I think not.
Kong Gun succeeded partly because Dofla created a perfect situation for it not to miss him. Not trying to discredit Luffy here, but King Kong Gun is flashy and it needs to be timed well in order to hit.
Why do you think Don would have not guard against the attack .
When that is what he did which is why luffy made the attack stronger .
He would not block with his body but strings which is what he did after luffy hit him with gear 4 .
EDIT what King Kong gun did was beat both his guard and attack .
Do you think Dofla would have tried to guard against it the same as he did against Kong Gun. I think not.
Kong Gun succeeded partly because Dofla created a perfect situation for it not to miss him. Not trying to discredit Luffy here, but King Kong Gun is flashy and it needs to be timed well in order to hit.
remember that doffy actually tried to block and parry king kong gun which ended in failure. its passed through his shield (web) of strings and it also took on and destroyed what seemed to be doffy's strongest attack and then went on to hit doffy so hard he cracked the ground in two causing a crater the size of 2 cities (the description of a fist of pica)
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Or, he could have arrived right in time for Capone to wipe the floor with him. Pound is technically his father-in-law whose life Chiffon certainly values: that gives him stakes in the fight whereas Sanji is supposed to dedicate his whole attention to cooking.
Altogether I'm enjoying Sanji's cooking feat and the way he is leading a small army of chefs, but I think it would tarnish his merit if Devil Fruits - Oven's or anyone else's - became involved. It'd be Law operating the PH kids all over again: a protagonist is trying to reap the benefits of their hard work and suddenly some guy with magic powers comes and achieves in a minute what would have taken them hours if not worse. Devil Fruits can do that, but I find it underwhelming.
this makes perfect sense. I'm of the belief that sanji will finish his fight with daifuku for 1 specific reason, Pudding. When daifuku first went up against sanji, sanji was beside pudding. daifuku told pudding to get out of the way because she messed up the plans. he proceeded to pimp slap pudding away from sanji then attacked sanji. in this chapter oven seems to listen to pudding with staying outside while daifuku didnt trust her. when daifuku shows up on the island, i expect him to not listen to pudding and go into the kitchen. with the whole sanji protecting women and pudding being someone sanji has kinda gotten close to the set up seemed perfect. however with this chapter, and oven showing up first it almost seemed like oven, being the guy with a heat df would be the person to face against sanji, but your theory makes much better sense, especially since he seems to not like pound.
I'll suppose you meant abiding by the rules.
"It's 101", shame on me for expecting something more interesting. You criticize my lack of creativity then go on to praise the bland old mixture you've been spoonfed for decades …
My problem with Katakuri's "weakness" is what it bodes for the future, how will Luffy defeat Kaido ? He'll find out mid-fight that if you tickle his right elbow he drops his CoA ?
And then sure, MY mind doesn't want creativity, I lack objectivity, when all i'm asking for is to be pleasently surprised. I could give answer, but then it would turn too personnal. Have a nice day.
While I feel differently, I just wanted to offer you some support here - I get what you're saying. I'm able to enjoy OP so much still because I've made peace with the ways Oda will surprise me and the way he won't. He tends to spice up, parody, and occasionally subvert genre conventions instead of truly defying or breaking them. Have you given HunterxHunter a shot? I like One Piece more because of its character designs, humor, and the classic OP Grand Gesture moments, but HunterxHunter surprised me over and over. If that doesn't do it, there just may not be a fighting manga out there that won't bore you. In that case, go watch The Sopranos or Mad Men. Lol
It’s funny to have a page about not working and holyday by a workholic like Oda :-)
By the way didn’t he exchange how his snail phones should look like ? Brulee’s one looks like brulee and Chiffon’s one like Chiffon
Praline is bae.
Katakuri's attack reminded me of Jun's attack from marvel vs capcom ._.
Odd to me that people keep saying that Luffy's Awakening might somehow involve extra…arms?? I don't see any indication of that in the comic. The only reason Katakuri can manifest arms is because he is made of super maleable mochi. It's pretttttty definitely going to be the Bounce House concept.
Another thing: I've seen people say, several times, that Katakuri turns his body into mochi. I'm less confident about this than the above point, but I'm pretty sure he's ALWAYS made of mochi, just as Luffy is always rubber. Just like Luffy, one would need advanced physical techniques like haki, fishman karate, or rokushiki to harm him.
Odd to me that people keep saying that Luffy's Awakening might somehow involve extra…arms?? I don't see any indication of that in the comic. The only reason Katakuri can manifest arms is because he is made of super maleable mochi. It's pretttttty definitely going to be the Bounce House concept.
That is true, but now we saw that Katakuri can manipulate the mochi and form arms from it. Instead of extra arms on himself, Luffy could make arms from the floor for example.
I am more of a fan of the Bounce House, I think that is enough for Luffy's already big arsenal to get to a new level.
Odd to me that people keep saying that Luffy's Awakening might somehow involve extra…arms?? I don't see any indication of that in the comic. The only reason Katakuri can manifest arms is because he is made of super maleable mochi. It's pretttttty definitely going to be the Bounce House concept.
Ew. Not only is that too similar to Robin, but it spits on how Luffy's powers operate by focusing on the elasticity of rubber. Malleable works can work for candy or certain kinds of metal, but not really rubber. It would also look underwhelming and overpowered at the same time.
Another thing: I've seen people say, several times, that Katakuri turns his body into mochi. I'm less confident about this than the above point, but I'm pretty sure he's ALWAYS made of mochi, just as Luffy is always rubber. Just like Luffy, one would need advanced physical techniques like haki, fishman karate, or rokushiki to harm him.
Considering how he was originally thought of as a Logia and how Luffy still need to use Armament Haki to harm Katakuri, this is confirmed. Unless you want to get into the minor technicality of how Logias can be spooked into staying tangible by losing focus or whatever, but that hardly ever happens in a serious light outside of Monet's fight.
@K.:
That is true, but now we saw that Katakuri can manipulate the mochi and form arms from it. Instead of extra arms on himself, Luffy could make arms from the floor for example.
Still not a fan.
- Luffy will win through an unexpected development of his CoC.
This is something I'd want to see! Right now, conqueror's haki has only been used to dispose of fodder, but it is implied it goes much farther than that.
Being an ability that cannot be achieved through experience or training (or even by eating a magical fruit…), it is rare and expected to exceed anything else we've seen so far.
Can Luffy beat Katakuri's specialty (CoO) by means of his own specialty (CoC)? I'm sure he can!
I am really hoping Oda goes this route.
I've been hoping to see more uses for CoC since the Don Chinjao vs Luffy clash in chapter 716 (my first weekly chapter!).
Since Luffy was only introduced to awakening at the tail end of Dressrosa, I feel like it's too soon for him to develop that ability for himself. And we are still early enough in the new world that revealing abilities gained over the timeskip would still feel natural. This is the perfect time to show more of the ability, and it would further elevate his status as a serious threat in the new world.
Also, considering that Luffy is best at conqueror's haki, I'd be very disappointed if it remained fodder control for the rest of the series.
luffy's awakening will let him take on the powers of a different kind of rubber and let him erase things, obviously
Are there no drawbacks for awakening? And if there are, it’d better not be the lame ”consuming lifespan” thing.
i think his defenses were up,but katakuri's armament,being superior,bypassed them.
Check the panel again, Luffy took that point blank.
Yes, Praline-swan–- love her
Great chapter.
Also, Sanji dropping a punchline, I bet orojacksoners wet their panties
@K.:
That is true, but now we saw that Katakuri can manipulate the mochi and form arms from it. Instead of extra arms on himself, Luffy could make arms from the floor for example.
I am more of a fan of the Bounce House, I think that is enough for Luffy's already big arsenal to get to a new level.
I just don't think Luffy making arms out of a rubber floor makes any sense. Rubber isn't nearly as maleable as mochi.
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I am really hoping Oda goes this route.
I've been hoping to see more uses for CoC since the Don Chinjao vs Luffy clash in chapter 716 (my first weekly chapter!).
Since Luffy was only introduced to awakening at the tail end of Dressrosa, I feel like it's too soon for him to develop that ability for himself. And we are still early enough in the new world that revealing abilities gained over the timeskip would still feel natural. This is the perfect time to show more of the ability, and it would further elevate his status as a serious threat in the new world.
Also, considering that Luffy is best at conqueror's haki, I'd be very disappointed if it remained fodder control for the rest of the series.
Fully agree that Conquer's should have more use than we've seen. It breaking Katakuri's concentration seems pretty inline with my idea of what Conquer's Haki is all about. Still, I'm not convinced at all that that will happen.
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I think I actually need to go back on my idea that Katakuri is mochi all the time. When I thought of him only in terms of a fighter it made sense, but how could he possibly eat if his teeth were mochi? Haki? Maybe this time of thinking is just going too far.
I think I actually need to go back on my idea that Katakuri is mochi all the time. When I thought of him only in terms of a fighter it made sense, but how could he possibly eat if his teeth were mochi? Haki? Maybe this time of thinking is just going too far.
How can Crocodile drink wine and stay intangible if he's always made of sand? You're thinking way too hard lol.
But Logias aren't always their elements. It's different.
Right?? Lol oh god One Piece
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Like in combat, they're always ready to go elemental, but like, Akainu and Ace don't/didn't just burn everything they touch/ed.
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I still agree that I'm overthinking about Katakuri's teeth probably. Probably.
What else am i supposed to take from a scene like this ?
This isn't just CoO, seeing where Luffy is going to go wouldn't let him catch up after the fact unless he was faster.
As for Cracker, if you can't go through your ennemi's defenses, you're not strong enough. Cracker's soldiers are as much a part of him as Luffy's rubberiness.
I won't get pulled in a discussion about the Doflamingo fight though, the rather fond memory i have of it would be dashed if i started thinking about it too much. I said what i thought of it up above.
That scene is depicting the exact OPPOSITE of what you're saying. Let me ask you something, how does a baseball player strike a fastball when the swing of the bat is usually 10 mph or so slower than the pitch? Easy by knowing where it's going and swinging at where it's headed and not where it's at/intercepting it's trajectory. You can clearly see that Kata is clearly visible with only his leg (the baseball bat) is motion blurred whereas Luffy is the one moving so fast in Soru that you can't even see him until the panel where he ran into Katas kick. This scene was showcasing CoO not Katas massive speed advantage. Luffy is a pure brawler most characters who beat him are characters whom have a tricky ability not necessarily due to them having stronger attributes per se.
Are there no drawbacks for awakening? And if there are, it’d better not be the lame ”consuming lifespan” thing.
If you can not control it, the sea devil within the fruit starts to possess you.
…................Actually, that's not true at all, and only an educated guess. :P
The thing with rubber is that you can't shape it freely. You can stretch/expand it, but once it reaches a certain point it will be forced back to its original shape. That's the core of all Luffy moves, they are all about using rubber's elasticity to add strength to his attacks.
Katakuri can make extra arms and a small temple out of mochi because mochi is not elastic: if you stretch it, it will keep stretching until there is no mochi left and it is "torn apart". Mochi is malleable, you can shape it in many ways. That's why Katakuri can make extra limbs on his body or on the "mochified floor". That's not something you can do with rubber.
It doesn't mean mochi is better, though. Katakuri created multiple arms to counter Luffy's gatling not just because he could, but because he needed to. Luffy attacks are incredibly fast because of rubber's elasticity, the reason his Gatling makes it look like he has many arms is because his 2 arms are bouncing back and forward so fast it looks like there are many more. Mochi can't do that, it can't move so fast because it can't bounce, so Katakuri had to make multiple arms to counter Luffy's two.
And that's why I think G4 is so taxing, because it keeps the rubber expanded continuously preventing it from going back to its original size (think of G3 and how Luffy only grows a limb for one attack and then it goes back, unlike G4 where he stays big continuously and can stretch much longer like in Culverin). And to force rubber to not retract back to its original shape, he has to use Armament Haki continuously. G4 is already pushing his rubber body to its limit, he can only "mold" his body that much and already at the expense of all his Haki and physical strength after only a few minutes of use. Or at least that's how I interpret G4, I don't remember if it was properly explained in the manga.
The fact Katakuri could creatively emulate Luffy attacks made people think their ability is pretty much the same thing, thus why they keep thinking of Luffy growing extra arms or something like that, since that's what Katakuri does. But the two abilities are really not that similar.
Do you think Dofla would have tried to guard against it the same as he did against Kong Gun. I think not.
Kong Gun succeeded partly because Dofla created a perfect situation for it not to miss him. Not trying to discredit Luffy here, but King Kong Gun is flashy and it needs to be timed well in order to hit.
Other posters have already said what i was going to say but given the fact Dofla was underestimating G4 on its appearance alone and given that he tried to beat out King Kong gun in the actual events of the fight we can certainly say he wouldn't have tried to dodge it. Luffy not quickly taking Doflamingo out had more to do with PIS in order to add drama than any limitation of his power.
But Logias aren't always their elements. It's different.
Right?? Lol oh god One Piece
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Like in combat, they're always ready to go elemental, but like, Akainu and Ace don't/didn't just burn everything they touch/ed.
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I still agree that I'm overthinking about Katakuri's teeth probably. Probably.
Has it ever been said that Logia's need to activate their intangibility?
I remember Ener intangible while sleeping but Smoker pushing Ace into the ground while after Luffy.
Has it ever been said that Logia's need to activate their intangibility?
I remember Ener intangible while sleeping but Smoker pushing Ace into the ground while after Luffy.
Didn't crocodile say something like he trained his fruit so much, going intangible became instinct? I think it was mentioned with Ace too during the Blackbeard fight.
Edit: It wasn't mentioned during the Ace v Blackbeard battle, I must be thinking of Enel. I'd look but I got work to do.
Chapter 784 ended with luffy giving 3 strong attacks to doflamingo
Chapter 884 started with that and had him eat an even tougher attack
This isnt any Is "chapter 944 zoro's death BS" but I find it interesting
I just don't think Luffy making arms out of a rubber floor makes any sense. Rubber isn't nearly as maleable as mochi.
Don't take this as me defending the idea, I am just exploring the possibilities. I guess arms was too specific. Rubber is flexible. So just imagine Luffy being able to stretch a wall inwards and then pull it outwards creating a cone shape. Kinda like Mango's strings but without the decomposition of them.
An idea would be Luffy doing Leo Bazooka, sending an enemy flying and then he turns around and punches the air towards the other side. Which makes the wall that the enemy is going to crash meet the flying opponent with a force of its own.
My first thoughts:
Interesting to see Luffy realize that Dogtooth is simply really good at Observation Haki. Makes me wonder if Luffy will think of improving his own through this battle. This gives me deja vu with Blueno. Then I predict Dogtooth to be shocked that Luffy would be doing the same as him.
I am also interested in seeing Sanje stating with confidence that 'First time that Dogtooth will lose'. Obviously, this shows he believes in his captain.
I am interested about the Sea Slugs but I'm missing context, I need to re-read to see what options that may open up for us.
@Neo:
I am interested about the Sea Slugs but I'm missing context, I need to re-read to see what options that may open up for us.
The Sea Slugs patrol around Totland to warn the Big Mom Pirates about intruders.
I also want to say that I enjoyed the fight overall, and do expect Luffy to chastise Dogtooth to the point of him losing his cool. Then Luffy will get a few more attacks in, and then Dogtooth will regain his calm and recover.
Regarding snails, same way they can't track ships that are leaving Totland, they also can't track ships that are entering. For some reason I have an ominous feeling about Totland.
Very interesting. It makes me wonder why she did it. I think anyone she is in connection with will sneak in, I am very interested to see who sneaks in.
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@Count:
The Sea Slugs patrol around Totland to warn the Big Mom Pirates about intruders.
Thank you very much!
With the current development, I would be surprised if no one comes to attack the Big Mom Pirates.