He thrusts his fists and then he's toast
Because he insisted he'd fight the most
Title: ''I'll Be Waiting Right Here - Luffy vs. the Enraged Army''
Chapters Covered: 846
Episode Director: Yasunori Koyama (***1/2)
Animation Director: Shuuichi Ito (***1/2)
Time: 8:30PM EST
Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece
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There was some max level fanservice when the vivre card got stolen lol.
The book world sequence was cool, but I think it dragged for way too long.
Haven't watched this episode yet, but I'll guess from the three comments here that it's mostly filler.
This is what you call a filler failure. Instead of enhancing the tone of the battle, it removed all the urgency I felt while reading the chapter.
This was a pretty strong atmospheric episode. The World of Books and Big Mom's castle corridor were both really well done.
This is what you call a filler failure. Instead of enhancing the tone of the battle, it removed all the urgency I felt while reading the chapter.
I actually have the opposite opinion. I think this episode increased the brutality of the battle to what it should have been. In the manga it felt like a quick curbstomp, here it actually felt like a real struggle for Luffy to keep his promise. What urgency was there? Luffy wanted to fight as long as he could. Sure, the Cream Monsters over and over again felt pretty repetitive, but I ultimately think this works better as a drawn-out effort.
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No, this was a good example of how the anime can expand upon Oda's work cleverly and tastefully. Luffy being beaten was done in a way that felt believable to me, and I do like how the scene with the book was handled and how it threw Luffy off.
At this point, one has to assume – nay -- expect there to be filler in every single episode. That's been the norm for a very long time.
The question is not how much filler they put in, but rather, how well it's done. Because it's all gonna mostly inevitably suck, you have to be very patient and generous. And as far as this episode was concerned, I thought they did it pretty well. These last two episodes have benefited greatly from the interesting source material. If I had any complaints it'd be how they kept reusing several stills and animations in pretty lazy ways.
Considering the amount of stuff Oda skips over or barely glosses over it would be a shame for them not to add in scenes.
Glossing over a huge fight like this may work in manga but it comes across as very anticlimatic in anime form. Plus there's the fact that these voice actors are hired and paid to voice their characters so characters like Bobin or Opera who barely had any lines during this fight in the manga get a chance to do more and have a decent few episodes. As usual manga purists will always find something to complain about but that's the nature of this business. And it is a business at the end of the day.
@Kaido:
This was a pretty strong atmospheric episode. The World of Books and Big Mom's castle corridor were both really well done.
I actually have the opposite opinion. I think this episode increased the brutality of the battle to what it should have been. In the manga it felt like a quick curbstomp, here it actually felt like a real struggle for Luffy to keep his promise. What urgency was there? Luffy wanted to fight as long as he could. Sure, the Cream Monsters over and over again felt pretty repetitive, but I ultimately think this works better as a drawn-out effort.
My dislike was maybe due to the fact that they unnecessarily changed (even if slightly) the scene with Nami and Gallette, or the fact that Luffy was hit by the chess soldiers with swords multiple times but still was not even shedding a little bit of blood, or the fact that I couldn't believe Luffy would let himself be passively beaten by the set of shadow Luffys without bouncing back (Even if it was to no avail because they were illusions).
In the manga I felt Luffy was very worried about Nami but unable to do anything because his hands were full. I didn't get that feeling while watching this episode.
I do admit the overall visuals (art wise) of the book world were very well done but those things I mentioned demolished my viewing experience.
This is the original chapter:
http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_One_Piece_846_4
I can see how you would make that perception but I think it's just you having a different interpretation of the scenes than how the anime team viewed it. Which is fine, but everyone interprets scenes differently given how quickly Oda rushes through some of these battles at times.
It goes without saying Luffy is worried about Nami and he does call out to her a few times in the anime as well. Maybe you feel he doesn't care as much in the anime because they show more scenes of him being tied up by the world of books and being attacked but the end result is really the same no matter how you slice it. In both scenarios Luffy was unable to do anything and was being attacked. The anime just adds to this, but the added scenes don't really change much of anything. Keep in mind that Luffy is worn out here so him not reacting immediately to those shadows is not that hard to swallow, especially given how he was confused by what the heck was going on when he was being attacked in an illusion and in the real world at the same time.
This is yet another example of how people want the manga to be a literal panel by panel adaptation in the anime but again, it doesn't always work like that. When reading panels a chapter structured like this one works perfectly fine when reading. Because you are reading text bubbles with images, sometimes entire one minute scenes in the anime come from one text bubble like with the book guy standing on his book as one example. During fight scenes in the manga single panel shots of punches being thrown have more impact, but when watching it in anime form (key word: animated) you have to constantly have things going on since it is a much more visual experience. Plus I think there's a reason Oda is often okay with the anime expanding on scenes such as the world of books because he admits he had to speed up the pacing during this arc in certain areas.
Don't get me wrong though. There are cases where the anime adds too many unnecessary scenes in that don't really need to be shown. One example of this I feel was the stuff in the Mirro-World but some people may disagree with me there too. It's just about perspective and none of us are wrong for feeling how we do, but at the same time you have to understand how different mediums work in the entertainment industry.
This is the original chapter:
http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_One_Piece_846_4
I can see how you would make that perception but I think it's just you having a different interpretation of the scenes than how the anime team viewed it. Which is fine, but everyone interprets scenes differently given how quickly Oda rushes through some of these battles at times.
It goes without saying Luffy is worried about Nami and he does call out to her a few times in the anime as well. Maybe you feel he doesn't care as much in the anime because they show more scenes of him being tied up by the world of books and being attacked but the end result is really the same no matter how you slice it. In both scenarios Luffy was unable to do anything and was being attacked. The anime just adds to this, but the added scenes don't really change much of anything. Keep in mind that Luffy is worn out here so him not reacting immediately to those shadows is not that hard to swallow, especially given how he was confused by what the heck was going on when he was being attacked in an illusion and in the real world at the same time.
This is yet another example of how people want the manga to be a literal panel by panel adaptation in the anime but again, it doesn't always work like that. When reading panels a chapter structured like this one works perfectly fine when reading. Because you are reading text bubbles with images, sometimes entire one minute scenes in the anime come from one text bubble like with the book guy standing on his book as one example. During fight scenes in the manga single panel shots of punches being thrown have more impact, but when watching it in anime form (key word: animated) you have to constantly have things going on since it is a much more visual experience. Plus I think there's a reason Oda is often okay with the anime expanding on scenes such as the world of books because he admits he had to speed up the pacing during this arc in certain areas.
Don't get me wrong though. There are cases where the anime adds too many unnecessary scenes in that don't really need to be shown. One example of this I feel was the stuff in the Mirro-World but some people may disagree with me there too. It's just about perspective and none of us are wrong for feeling how we do, but at the same time you have to understand how different mediums work in the entertainment industry.
Sorry, but I disagree. I don't expect the anime to be the manga panel by panel, but I do expect certain feelings to be conveyed. I don't think it was like Luffy to not throw any punches (Even if they didn't connect) while he was being hit repeatedly. I also don't think it was a good filler to have the chest soldiers slash Luffy repeatedly without him being hurt in any way. I also don't see the point in changing Nami saying that she can manipulate BM's thunderclouds to the air instead of to Galette herself. Or that they left out Luffy shouting for Nami as soon as she was captured. It's not like I think Luffy doesn't care about Nami because we all know his nakama are important but whatever I felt while reading the chapter was completely lost during the episode.
Of course this is just based on personal preference more than anything and low expectations on Toei are not part of my arguments. Sometimes they manage to make it better, sometimes they simply don't. This one didn't do it for me.
Luffy did fight back when he was being assaulted by the illusions in the book world. I don't think he would have been able to fight back against the real enemies attacking him because he was disoriented enough from the attacks in the book world.
Count me in as another who thought the filler was done tastefully. We have a whole ton of episodes where filler was done terribly,but people chose to pick on this one?
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Hey, there's another improvement to the opening that wasn't there last week: they remembered to add in the cuffs on Sanji's wrists during the closeup of him wiping his mouth. Now they just need to remember Carrot's tail and they should be good to go.
Some of the additions to this episode I thought were a little repetitive, with the main culprit being making a production out of Counter stomping on Luffy to dislodge him. The more off-hand, not to mention singular, take from the manga was much more effective in selling the brutality and despair of the situation. With that being said the book world was pretty enjoyable since it allowed the staff to be a bit more visually creative than normal, and the Yuasa-esque quality of the designs was something we haven't seen in the anime before, and the directing for the scene with the black rabbit was understatedly nice and overall the anime did a better job of communicating just what exactly the book world was supposed to be doing to Luffy.
Also points to the Mirror World scene which, while short, did a good job of setting up what happens later in the manga which just handwaved it instead.
I want to know who Opera's dad was just to know how he produced such bumpy-headed kids.
