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    • theackwardstation
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      I do think this invasion could lead to more hyper-nationalism. Ukrainians are feeling a lot of things – threatened, proud of themselves, abandoned by others, hyped up. They are experiencing war, both its horror and adrenaline rush. And their president has become essentially a hero.

      These kind of feelings can lead to more extremism in general, IMO. But that doesn't necessarily means the country will become neonazi or anything outrageous. And things could turn back to normal after some time, and less lonely if the world supports them well.

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        @Riddler:

        Why do you think it will get worse? Most extremist right-wing political parties I know of have been pretty Putin-friendly in the past, which is actually coming back to bite them right now.

        I'm a third worlder ! Why would I assume anything in politics can do a turn for the better?!

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          Putin has supposedly fired 8 generals for poor performance.

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          • Johnny B. Decent
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            At least he didn't put them to the firing squad, I guess.

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              And a whole column of tanks approaching the capital were destroyed and it is claimed that their commanding officer was killed too. There's some footage of it happening, just driving down the road, getting annihilated and then a couple of them manage to turn around and leave

              –- Update From New Post Merge ---

              Breaking news. US is training migratory birds to carry biological weapons into Russia.

              This is sadly not a headline from the onion.

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                Isn't that a war crime though? The biological weapon part I mean.

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                  Indeed. If you see any birds with an iphone and an imperialistic attitude please do check to see if it is carrying any anthrax

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                  • Johnny B. Decent
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                    Where in the world did you hear this, Wolf?

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                      Noted expert on bird law C Kelly has harshly condemned Biden for going against the no birds, no black plague convention

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                        Ohhhh, a propaganda piece. Ok, yeah, now that makes sense.

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                          Some sad photos of Macron trying to reason with Putin on the phone:
                          https://www.comicsands.com/macron-dramatic-photos-putin-meme-2656909424.html?fbclid=IwAR2KWk6aGXmiiy5n-_D5yLMNjPwsgAsbxvpEDDMgeGIV-5t8XYENJ8gc_qs

                          Some have turned them into memes, others support him. I mean, I don't know if he really thought he could get through to Putin, but I guess French used to be called the language of diplomacy.

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                            Smart guy, he's milking it for all it's worth for the next election. Not that its not worth the effort, but baldy seems to have doubled down on his dumbass invasion of ukraine.

                            Seems like they're mobilizing for a hail mary push against kyiv soon?

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                              Well, this morning a drone crashed right in the middle of my country's capital Zagreb. It seems to be RU make, but yet unclear if it belonged to RU or UA. Goes in line with how much of a mess the whole campaign seems to be.

                              Btw, students from the nearby dorm complex called the police. Nobody detected shit…

                              https://www.ibtimes.com/mysterious-drone-crashed-croatia-may-have-got-lost-over-ukraine-report-3433503

                              Originally Posted by Outerspec

                              Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                              It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                Apparently, that thing flew through Hungary's airspace too, and we haven't noticed.

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                                  That it landed in the capital of all places is weird, though I assume there could've been other drones that were never reported.

                                  I hope this'll be an isolated incident. No matter who was responsible or the reason behind it.

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                                    So much for airspace safety. That thing weighs between 4 and 6 tons. Could have easily caused casualties. The whole thing is pretty bizarre since it apparently flew until it ran out of gas.

                                    Originally Posted by Outerspec

                                    Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                    It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                      Sweet. Go get 'em Ukraine.

                                      And in other news US is maybe banning Russian oil in a day or so. Here's hoping.

                                      We've had most of our oil giants in the UK say that they are no longer purchasing oil after public pressure, but haven't addressed the rising price of fuel as a consequence.

                                      Word on the grapevine is that the rising living costs here (which is being furthered by fuel prices) will bring about a mini recession. My guess is, this will also cause the housing market to collapse. Though this is also a by-product of people renovating their houses over the past two years during lockdown, selling and flooding the market.

                                      I'm putting mine on the market next week in the hope to sell high and monopolise on the downturn later in the year.

                                      I guess what I was trying to get at (before losing track) is that if the economy takes a serious hit this year it'll likely be responsible to what tone the UK continues to play with Russia.

                                      @pariston_hill:

                                      Word down here is that UK, Canada and Netherlands are gonna act outside NATO and send mercenaries to Ukraine. If confirmed truth, and in fact exposed, we could jump from the frying pan to the fire.

                                      I think Putin is doing something similar with Syria in response (Syrian contractors/mercenaries).

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                                        I was almost certain the forum was bugging out when i received a quote from Smudger. But lo and behold, here we are in the year 2022 with a Smudger post. But i suppose that kind of economy comes before principle thing is what both Putin and the west are banking on, and it's about seeing who blinks first. My money is still on our resolve to not carve up europe again, but we'll see

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                                          @wolfwood:

                                          I was almost certain the forum was bugging out when i received a quote from Smudger. But lo and behold, here we are in the year 2022 with a Smudger post.

                                          Covid-19, Russia at war and Smudger posting. Tis a sign of the end times.

                                          But i suppose that kind of economy comes before principle thing is what both Putin and the west are banking on, and it's about seeing who blinks first. My money is still on our resolve to not carve up europe again, but we'll see

                                          It appears lot of countries that are semi-dependant on Russian gas are pulling their punches. GO!!! REASONS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY!

                                          As for carving up europe…it'll be probably come down to how the war will translate to other non-NATO members like Sweden and Finland. I could see them becoming big pieces in this game.

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                                            @Smudger:

                                            Covid-19, Russia at war and Smudger posting. Tis a sign of the end times.

                                            It appears lot of countries that are semi-dependant on Russian gas are pulling their punches. GO!!! REASONS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY!

                                            I'm interested in seeing how this war will translate to other non-NATO members like Sweden and Finland. I could see them becoming big pieces in this game.

                                            I've seen quite some posts from oldies lately. Putin has that charm about him 😅

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                                            • Monkey King
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                                              I don't get your point. Why are you talking about Vietnam ? the idea is that the US didn't want to lose Korea "for some reason"

                                              It wanted to prevent the spread of the Soviet sphere of communist countries, which was the identical motivation in the Vietnam war. In one case America stuck around (South Korea), in the other case it gave up and abandoned (South Vietnam, which no longer exists).

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                                                Putin supposedly put his FSB man in charge of foreign intelligence under house arrest for providing the intelligence that lead to Russia underestimating Ukraine like they did.

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                                                  "Just give up lol" said Israeli Prime Minister Benett to Ukrainian President Zelensky.

                                                  So much for that. Or those NATO planes. Or that oil embargo.

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                                                    You would think Israel’s PM would see the irony in telling another country to cede to someone else’s demands/compromises.

                                                    Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                                    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                      @Monkey:

                                                      It wanted to prevent the spread of the Soviet sphere of communist countries, which was the identical motivation in the Vietnam war. In one case America stuck around (South Korea), in the other case it gave up and abandoned (South Vietnam, which no longer exists).

                                                      Maybe I misspoke. The idea is that at some moments, the US had this strategy to stick with one country, despite losing many other countries. That's not even something I'm certain of btw, since the historians who brought this up to me had only those two examples (Britain and Korea) as far as I can recall.

                                                      So now about Vietnam, the US may have wanted to incorporate it in this scheme too. But ultimately, they failed because they faced a charismatic leader (Ho Chi Minh). But you're right that there is Vietnam that comes and cracks this idea. Hence why I'm not very sure about this whole thing. Even though, one could simply argue that the US isn't invincible and just failed after decades to stop the communists in Vietnam…

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                                                        @Green_vs_Red:

                                                        You would think Israel’s PM would see the irony in telling another country to cede to someone else’s demands/compromises.

                                                        It's no surprise that Naftali "I've killed lots of Arabs in my life and there's no problem with that." Bennett would personally side with the aggressor.
                                                        (And yes this shows my position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.:ninja:)

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                                                          "Just give up lol" said Israeli Prime Minister Benett to Ukrainian President Zelensky.

                                                          was disinformation on Jerusalem's Post part.

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                                                            French people are adding alcohol to gas


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                                                              Ukrainian forces are making a counter-offensive near mariupol.

                                                              If successful this could possibly allow them to evacuate and re-supply the city.

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                                                                  @Nilitch:

                                                                  they failed because they faced a charismatic leader (Ho Chi Minh).

                                                                  that's a bit reductive lol

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                                                                    @Lord:

                                                                    that's a bit reductive lol

                                                                    It may be. But to be honest, I'm not really trying to get into a debate as to why the US failed in Vietnam

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                                                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tcxrfr/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/i0h0ysy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

                                                                      Some dude giving a potential perspective on why the Russian army is like it is

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                                                                        Interesting thread. A different perspective than the "Soviet Union will return" doomsayers, for sure. I want to believe Putin's war is bound to fail and that it'll usher in a new, perhaps better time, but I don't want to be overly optimistic. Even though it's difficult not latching onto the hope that this will be over soon and healing can commence on all fronts (political, economical, humanitarian etc.).

                                                                        To be honest, it's getting increasingly harder to keep in mind that there's a war going on. Oh, it's on my mind constantly, but slinks further into the back day by day. I guess that's the luxury of not being affected as closely as others.

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                                                                          @wolfwood:

                                                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tcxrfr/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/i0h0ysy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

                                                                          Some dude giving a potential perspective on why the Russian army is like it is

                                                                          I mean, does any nation in the last 25 years has much experience fighting conventional wars? Most of the conflicts post 'Nam became full guerrilla fights against an invasor, or even guerrilla fights against the gov't, or guerrilla fights against other guerrilla groups.

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                                                                            I have some questions concerning the number of forces in the Ukrainian side, as Zelensky called for conscription. Shouldn't they be like half of the Ukrainians ? which means roughly 20 million of dudes ? This could actually explain why the Russians have so much trouble invading. Even though I'm not sure at all that Ukraine has like 20 million rifles. It still sounds like they could be more than a few hundred thousands "soldiers" though

                                                                            edit: it's 20 millions if we count the elderly and the children. So, it's eventually less than that. But even then, I'm not sure at all about those 20M thing.

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                                                                              Russia confirms that they are locked out of roughly half of their war chest.

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                                                                                First US citizen, photographer Brent Renaud killed in this war.

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                                                                                  the most amusing (read: insane) thing in this war thus far has been the zeroing in on Putin's "denazification" point. out of all the reasons he gave these geniuses focused on the one thing that you can actually prove! because the media can't stop showing us pictures of Ukrainian nazis lmao. and now you have the liberal US media saying Putin is worse than Hitler. just an outstanding amount of brain worms all around.

                                                                                  the second thing: the only way Russia survives going forward is if it nationalizes everything. its banks, its oil, its food supplies… comrade Stalin is somewhere up there, looking down and smiling.

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                                                                                    @pariston_hill:

                                                                                    I mean, does any nation in the last 25 years has much experience fighting conventional wars? Most of the conflicts post 'Nam became full guerrilla fights against an invasor, or even guerrilla fights against the gov't, or guerrilla fights against other guerrilla groups.

                                                                                    No but i would imagine that most armies aren't being actively opposed by their own governments either. And definitely not being taxed by local mafia groups.

                                                                                    @Nilitch:

                                                                                    I have some questions concerning the number of forces in the Ukrainian side, as Zelensky called for conscription. Shouldn't they be like half of the Ukrainians ? which means roughly 20 million of dudes ? This could actually explain why the Russians have so much trouble invading. Even though I'm not sure at all that Ukraine has like 20 million rifles. It still sounds like they could be more than a few hundred thousands "soldiers" though

                                                                                    edit: it's 20 millions if we count the elderly and the children. So, it's eventually less than that. But even then, I'm not sure at all about those 20M thing.

                                                                                    I mean there probably aren't 10 or even 1 million people they could reasonably be able to deploy effectively. And even if they did they probably wouldn't be able to put them in the field since they aren't engaging the Russians by squaring off in open fields. But i mean there are plenty of uses for ordinary citizens beyond putting on a uniform and joining battle. So in that regard the Ukrainians are only limited by their morale and will to sacrifice

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                                                                                      https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-trying-sell-big-macs-122120599.html

                                                                                      Hope they’re trying to sell those to the rich people.

                                                                                      Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                                                                      I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                                        https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tdjtni/russia_has_requested_military_assistance_from/

                                                                                        Supposedly US intelligence has picked up indications that russia has requested some form of assistance from china? Could be a hint from the US to china not to interfere before the upcoming diplomat talks, but both china/russia has denied the claims. We'll have to see, but i really don't think china can just sit on the fence and throw shit at both sides for any longer.

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                                                                                          Requesting assistance and getting it are two very different things. That said, US intelligence was spot on with everything they said about Russian military movements so I see no reason to doubt this at all.

                                                                                          Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                            One of Chinas propaganda outlets published an editorial where the gist was yeah i don't think wading into that profits me in any way.

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                                                                                              Seeing reports now that the assistance includes things like MREs and basic medical supplies which really reinforces the notion that Russia thought this would have been over weeks ago. Also raises the question of how much people in procurement sold Russia's MREs for.

                                                                                              Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                                Seems to be a big move by Ukraine going on around Kyiv.

                                                                                                Not a lot of info but Russia is reported to be pushed back.

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                                                                                                  US intelligence reports are that Russia has committed the entire force they built up around the Ukraine with about 90% of it still capable of action.

                                                                                                  So between 1000-1200 casualties a day so far for the Russian army.

                                                                                                  Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                                    So the "Foreign Legion" in Ukraine is done for (I have already saw a brazilian shooting range instructor telling the thing) but comming from US vets from Iraq-Afghanistan is different. WTF did they expected?!

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                                                                                                      Uzbekistan says that they won't recognize either breakaway republic and support Ukraine's territorial sovereignty.

                                                                                                      No comment from Uzbekibekibekistan though.

                                                                                                      The US House has also stripped favored nation status from Belarus and Russia.

                                                                                                      Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                                        No comment from Uzbekibekibekistan though.

                                                                                                        Came for this .

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                                                                                                        I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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