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    807-808: ''A Tragic Duel - Luffy vs. Sanji''

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      A heel-turn more shocking than McMahon's. If this episode was a person, it would be the spawn of Benedict Arnold and Judas Iscariot. If it were a historical event it would be worse than the Ides of March and the Gunpowder Plot combined. If this was a top ten anime betrayal it would be sitting at no. twenty. Move over Luffy vs. Usopp, it's the age of Luffy vs. Sanji.

      Title: ''A Tragic Duel - Luffy vs. Sanji''
      Chapters Covered: rest of 843-844
      Episode Directors: Yasunori Koyama (1/2), Takashi Otsuka ()
      Chief Animation Director: Keiichi Ichikawa (
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      Animation Director: Kenji Yokoyama (
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      Time: 8:00PM EST
      Watch It: www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece

      I'm assuming in regards to the time there as I haven't actually looked at that information.

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        This is like Aizen-level betrayal right here. Good stuff.

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          hmm i gotta watch the opening again

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            Hypuuuuuuuuuu!

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              Visuals were good, song was meh.

              "For nothing but a drop of water… We take an innocent life! What horrible times!"

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                ! Just peaked at a few screenshots. Katakuri has purple hair? The rest of what little is seen of him looks kind of normal, at least through the dimming. lol at Compote being there, I had completely forgotten about her.

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                  Here it is:

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                    wow this flashback from a few episodes ago is epic 😴

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                      I'm…not really a fan of the musical style hahaha. It reminded me of one of those generic raps I hear blasting on the occasional car radio. Except Japanese and sung by a woman.

                      Otherwise, I liked the visuals a lot. My favorite parts were probably the non-Straw Hat protags getting the chance to show off and that final confrontation between Luffy and Sanji closer to the end.

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                        So there were approximately two good shots in there, huh

                        Music is okay but doesn't really build to anything, which has been kind of a problem with OP OPs lately. Incredibly boring choruses.

                        If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life

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                          Here it is:

                          Wow, this pretty much exactly what I had hoped they would (realistically) do. Iffy on parts of the song, but visually it's a treat. Tomita doesn't seem to like Judge though lol

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                            Aside from that really weird spot where they showed the Charlotte family and firetank pirates, the song sounds pretty solid imo. I like Fight Together a lot more but this is still decent. Visuals were passable, Sanji focus is well appreciated, more Jinbe is always a plus, No Zeff but that's alright.

                            Honestly, anything is better than "We Can" at this point. So even though it's not that great, I still welcome you, One Piece 20th opening: "Hope".

                            ~ They got the moves like Jagger ~

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                              I miss a reference to

                              ! Streusen and Cracker in the first presentation of the Big Mom Pirates in the Opening.

                              The second one I understand that is a refence to

                              ! the words of Vitto saying that Karakuri, Smoothie, Perospero, Daifuku, Oven and Compote are monsters.

                              I miss also

                              ! Mother Carmel, maybe in another posterior version or other opening they include
                              ! her (and Elbaff).

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                                I hope

                                ! The Sanji-Luffy reunion looks as good in the episode as it does in the opening.

                                Also, I love how the Vinsmoke siblings have owned their colors. I cringe when I see fanarts of them with blonde hair now.

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                                  well i guess we have to wait for next week for the

                                  ! Big mom's army.

                                  one hour special, half of it is a flashback that we got a few episodes ago. Atleast, the "fight" between Sanji and Luffy is very well done. Love the geppo scene.

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                                    Two weeks actually. There's no episode next week because that's when Dragon Ball Super's getting its one-hour special.

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                                      One Piece Opening 20: "Hope" by Namie Amuro

                                      One Piece Episode 809 Preview

                                      [HD] One Piece Episode 809 Preview

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                                        Two weeks actually. There's no episode next week because that's when Dragon Ball Super's getting its one-hour special.

                                        well thats a shame.

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                                          Holy commercials. There was a break every 3 minutes until it got to the last 10 or so minute stretch.

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                                            Opening thoughts:

                                            This does not dethrone "Fight Together" as my favorite One Piece opening, but it's easily a top-fiver. I was surprised at how it immediately starts off with a kick compared to most of the others that have some build-up first, and the only really weak points in the song that stood out to me were the autotuned rapid-fire bits. Visually yes! This is the one I enjoyed the most since the timeskip. They did exactly what I had hoped they would do: cut out all the useless chuff like the Warlord and Emperor group shots, as well as cut down the Straw Hats goofing off segment and used it to tie into Sanji's situation this arc. This should be the standard going forward.

                                            ! * It was kind of weird that Opera was done in the same purple silhouette style as those generic nobodies that were in the start when Jimbei's shown punching him out.

                                            • The cast lineups had the unfortunately consequence of highlighting how little a good chunk of the characters have done this arc. Bobbin took an early exit, Oven hasn't really done much (though that could change depending on how certain things play out in the coming chapters), I legitimately forgot that Compote existed until seeing her here, and Smoothe's…lol.
                                            • I joked about Katakuri being hot pink before, but hair aside his color scheme actually seems kind of normal from what I can tell through the dimming. Didn't expect Smoothie to have white hair though, nor Oven blond, though that's an orange Kuma situation.
                                            • Speaking of color schemes, Chopper's suit has the same colors as Sanji timeskip outfit, and the rosy colors on Carrot's look nice.
                                            • I thought Sanji and Pudding looked a little off on the cover of Vol. 86, so I did not expect the anime artists to copy that shot down to the last detail. Looks almost like Shimanuki, who is currently far away from One Piece on Dragon Ball Super, drew it.
                                            • Again, no one likes Judge lol

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                                              I'm astounded actually at how good that opening is, I'm over the moon right now. This feeling is one of the many reasons why I love One Piece, there's just nothing else like it

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                                                ! I joked about Katakuri being hot pink before, but hair aside his color scheme actually seems kind of normal from what I can tell through the dimming. Didn't expect Smoothie to have white hair though, nor Oven blond, though that's an orange Kuma situation.

                                                ! I think Oven is orange? Daifuku is the one that surprises me the most, I didn't think he was so brightly colored.

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                                                  I love the new opening! I'm not 100% in love with the song (I don't think it's bad, though), but the visuals are the best we've had since the timeskip imo. It did a good job of teasing what's coming without really spoiling anything, and the art and animation are a HUGE step up from the previous opening.

                                                  Thanks to PirateNeko for the avatar!

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                                                    Song didn't line up particularly well with what was being shown visually, the scenes at the beginning of them being cheerful should have been scenes of them being in a dire situation because well they're potentially facing the loss of a crewmate and then slowly build up to happier scenes near the end. I felt certain parts could have been directed better, too much random clips hashed together when the drop kicked in and the songs tempo went up (arguably there was no drop as there was no build up) the grayed out BM crewmates will eventually be shown in their full glory when most if not all of them are properly introduced in the anime. I just laugh at how disgusting it looks for smoothie to walk alongside the competent Katakuri, it's like total incompetence walking alongside sheer greatness. Visuals were a treat and it was nice that we got relevant images of what's going on in the anime and not some random clip of Luffy punching Kaido in gear 4.

                                                    Year of Sanji, let's go!

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                                                      Episode 806 should have been included with the special tbh because 807 was almost completely useless and a waste of time. I understand the need to to create a sentimental aura but there was no need for a recap episode of stuff we literally just saw and stuff that was just recapped. 808 was great and the opening was alright.

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                                                      ! I just laugh at how disgusting it looks for smoothie to walk alongside the competent Katakuri, it's like total incompetence walking alongside sheer greatness.

                                                      ! This meme is stupid imo. How is Katakuri any more competent than Smoothie or any other character of BM's crew? He failed to kill Sanji, he failed to stop Luffy from destroying the cake, he failed at stopping Luffy from showing BM the picture of Caramel, he failed at destroying the SH's ship to prevent any chance of escape etc. News flash: Just because we see him moving doesn't me he's actually doing much. WCI is clearly not the last we'll see of the Big Mom pirates which is why this "Smoothie is useless" meme is ridiculous. None of the BMP have really done anything noteworthy which is why I'm confused as to why Smoothie is receiving the brunt of the attacks.

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                                                        ! This meme is stupid imo. How is Katakuri any more competent than Smoothie or any other character of BM's crew? He failed to kill Sanji, he failed to stop Luffy from destroying the cake, he failed at stopping Luffy from showing BM the picture of Caramel, he failed at destroying the SH's ship to prevent any chance of escape etc. News flash: Just because we see him moving doesn't me he's actually doing much. WCI is clearly not the last we'll see of the Big Mom pirates which is why this "Smoothie is useless" meme is ridiculous. None of the BMP have really done anything noteworthy which is why I'm confused as to why Smoothie is receiving the brunt of the attacks.

                                                        ! The Straw Hats have been able to keep a step ahead of Katakuri, but there's no doubt the dude has been working his butt off and that's what matters. He has been the biggest obstacle to the protagonists while Smoothie has not even interacted with any of them yet. Not to mention that Katakuri came the closest out of anyone to foiling the assassination, he allowed the Big Mom Pirates to fight back while Big Mom was screaming, he directly took part in overpowering Bege and defeated Ichiji handily, he set up the ambush on the Sunny which pushed the Straw Hats to the edge, and he's giving Luffy hell in battle right now. If you just want results, then most OP villains fail in that regard. But you can't say Katakuri hasn't put the effort into being a threat. And the other Big Mom Pirates? Perospero has proven himself to be an MVP lately. Daifuku and Oven both jumped right into the fray of battle early on in the wedding. Compote did nothing, but, well…
                                                        ! Smoothie, meanwhile, is supposed to have been an equally major villain since the start of the Tea Party 20 chapters ago. She even had stuff to do before the wedding. What has she done? Making drinks from animals and crying out when Big Mom was about to get murdered are all I can remember. When the difference between her and Katakuri's actions (not just results) is this obviously vast, it's pretty safe to say that she's not doing anything. And there's no reason to "save" her for a future arc. She has nothing to lose by demonstrating some sort of initiative in this arc and building hype around her, and has never been established as some upcoming power who is guaranteed greater effectiveness in the future.
                                                        ! So that is why we are mocking Smoothie, a completely unmemorable character who did nothing, standing equally with Katakuri, a show-stealer who's essentially a workaholic.

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                                                          Those images didn't do the opening enough justice compared to seeing it in action. The art and visuals were gloriously great and I like that there's no SH playtime parts (not that I have a personal problem against it, but I do see it as criticism alot so I couldn't help but notice) and that the scenes are wholly relevant to the current events. Music is good too. In fact, I'd say it's equal to Fight Together on both music and visuals.

                                                          We definitely got a good OP here.

                                                          The face of a Straw Hat.

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                                                            Opening thoughts:

                                                            This does not dethrone "Fight Together" as my favorite One Piece opening, but it's easily a top-fiver. I was surprised at how it immediately starts off with a kick compared to most of the others that have some build-up first, and the only really weak points in the song that stood out to me were the autotuned rapid-fire bits. Visually yes! This is the one I enjoyed the most since the timeskip. They did exactly what I had hoped they would do: cut out all the useless chuff like the Warlord and Emperor group shots, as well as cut down the Straw Hats goofing off segment and used it to tie into Sanji's situation this arc. This should be the standard going forward.

                                                            ! * It was kind of weird that Opera was done in the same purple silhouette style as those generic nobodies that were in the start when Jimbei's shown punching him out.

                                                            • The cast lineups had the unfortunately consequence of highlighting how little a good chunk of the characters have done this arc. Bobbin took an early exit, Oven hasn't really done much (though that could change depending on how certain things play out in the coming chapters), I legitimately forgot that Compote existed until seeing her here, and Smoothe's…lol.
                                                            • I joked about Katakuri being hot pink before, but hair aside his color scheme actually seems kind of normal from what I can tell through the dimming. Didn't expect Smoothie to have white hair though, nor Oven blond, though that's an orange Kuma situation.
                                                            • Speaking of color schemes, Chopper's suit has the same colors as Sanji timeskip outfit, and the rosy colors on Carrot's look nice.
                                                            • I thought Sanji and Pudding looked a little off on the cover of Vol. 86, so I did not expect the anime artists to copy that shot down to the last detail. Looks almost like Shimanuki, who is currently far away from One Piece on Dragon Ball Super, drew it.
                                                            • Again, no one likes Judge lol

                                                            I couldnt make sense of

                                                            ! katakuri's colors

                                                            Is it black or deep purple

                                                            Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                            So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                                            H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                                                              I've seen deep purple being used in animation/comics as a substitute for black before. Point is, he's not wearing bright pastels, and that's what matters!

                                                              Speaking of colors, watching the HD version of that reveals that one of the other bad guys' hair isn't blond-orange like I originally thought, but actually multicolored red-orange-yellow!

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                                                                God damn it. I GENUINELY wanted to like this new opening.. since the old one was so awful. This is also one of my favorite arcs hands down and was putting a lot of stock into it.
                                                                That was so underwhelming and disjointed that I got whiplash. The song doesn't have the typical upbeat/catchy OP style, and the animation was meandering back and forth. Seriously, only two dim still shots of Big Mom – the main antagonist of the entire arc? No real focus on the wedding or the guests? But plenty of action shots from the useless Vinsmoke clan and more Sanji/Luffy drama. Ugh.

                                                                I'm not even gonna comment on the actual episodes themselves cause it's just the same padded, mediocre crap we always get, so.

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                                                                  ! The Straw Hats have been able to keep a step ahead of Katakuri, but there's no doubt the dude has been working his butt off and that's what matters. He has been the biggest obstacle to the protagonists while Smoothie has not even interacted with any of them yet. Not to mention that Katakuri came the closest out of anyone to foiling the assassination, he allowed the Big Mom Pirates to fight back while Big Mom was screaming, he directly took part in overpowering Bege and defeated Ichiji handily, he set up the ambush on the Sunny which pushed the Straw Hats to the edge, and he's giving Luffy hell in battle right now. If you just want results, then most OP villains fail in that regard. But you can't say Katakuri hasn't put the effort into being a threat. And the other Big Mom Pirates? Perospero has proven himself to be an MVP lately. Daifuku and Oven both jumped right into the fray of battle early on in the wedding. Compote did nothing, but, well…
                                                                  ! Smoothie, meanwhile, is supposed to have been an equally major villain since the start of the Tea Party 20 chapters ago. She even had stuff to do before the wedding. What has she done? Making drinks from animals and crying out when Big Mom was about to get murdered are all I can remember. When the difference between her and Katakuri's actions (not just results) is this obviously vast, it's pretty safe to say that she's not doing anything. And there's no reason to "save" her for a future arc. She has nothing to lose by demonstrating some sort of initiative in this arc and building hype around her, and has never been established as some upcoming power who is guaranteed greater effectiveness in the future.
                                                                  ! So that is why we are mocking Smoothie, a completely unmemorable character who did nothing, standing equally with Katakuri, a show-stealer who's essentially a workaholic.

                                                                  ! 1) Katakuri's is the secondary main antagonist of the arc and the most powerful of the crew. Obviously he'd be the most focus in regards to being an obstacle to the strawhats. That still doesn't mean he's competent. He hasn't accomplish anything he set out to do.
                                                                  ! 2) The convenience of Katakuri's devil fruit has no bearing on his competence so him creating ear plugs doesn't mean much. He was the only one with the power to do something like that. Ichiji attacked him and got wrecked. The same thing would have happened had he attacked Smoothie.
                                                                  ! 3) Did Smoothie not capture Nami and Reiju? You're ignoring things to fit your false narrative.
                                                                  ! 4) What do you mean theres no use saving her for the future? Its been stated in multiple occasions that Luffy will fight Big Mom in the future after Kaido. Oda would not let the entire crew of a yonko go to waste.
                                                                  ! You sound completely ridiculous and your argument is nonsensical.

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                                                                    ! Oh please. She spent the entire time things were going to shit standing around yelling "Somebody do something!" when she was the third-strongest person there, and wasn't shown to be laid up at all! Katakuri didn't fail because he was incompetent, he failed because barely anyone was lifting a finger to help him! Or deliberately ignoring him, in the case of Perospero. Smoothie's mockery is well-deserved.

                                                                    Anyway! The episode. The first half, yeah, that was kind of a wash given that the Episode of East Blue special was only a month ago and the retellings of the Baratie flashback in the anime proper was like a month and a half back at minimum (and I only got around to watching Episode of East Blue just the other day…). What was interesting though was that when I was watching those episodes I was thinking "hm, the art kind of looks like Koizumi's, they must be referencing the original storyboards" and lo and behold it turns out it was him after all. Mashing together the original Baratie flashbacks with the Vinsmoke ones only serves to show how much better written and realized the former are though.

                                                                    The second half was where things were at. While I still find the overall scenario for this fight really forced, the anime people did put their heart into bringing it into motion. While I have cooled on Koizumi's art style, his animation here was on-point and had a great sense of weight and impact especially with the final Concasser. The composition was choppier than it should've been (plus I imagine watching this live would've been really frustrating with all the commercial breaks) but they got their act together for the main event. "Memories" was a bit of a surprise but overdoing it a little, IMO, especially when they were flashing scenes that Sanji was either not included in or not conscious for.

                                                                    With the new music tracks that debuted in these episodes and the Episode of East blue special I hope there's another soundtrack release sometime in the near future.

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                                                                      Mixed feelings all around the board for this "special".

                                                                      New opening was what I expected when I heard it was the same singer as OP 14. Personally I really enjoy this type of music and it really fits the theme and tone of the arc. Animation was the best we've had in an OP for a long time I feel, and the most consistent straight through. I can understand some people not feeling it I guess.

                                                                      This special was a structural mess, but strangely enough I still enjoyed it because I like all the scenes flashbacked to. The problem was more with 807 than 808. Some of the flashbacks in 807 were actually from the manga and a few of them fit well enough to set the mood. I think the biggest problem I had was the Krieg fight flashback which was completely unneeded and just there to fill time. The stuff with Luffy inviting Sanji was fine. The flashbacks with Zeff and his family should have been condensed to 2 minutes or less. I get what they were trying to do with the placement of flasbacks (and the music choices were great) but they milked it far too much.

                                                                      808 fared better overall. The "fight" (if you can call it that) was well handled and the voice acting was superb. The placement of Memories was unexpected and the shots of his journey were interestingly strung together. But then the ending was a bit ruined by them showing the same freaking flashbacks we saw like 5 times.

                                                                      As a special it was really just there to trick people into thinking the pacing was better by removing that little intro about Raftel and cutting the recap, but they actually cut just as much time. But even despite it all I enjoyed it. The hype was overblown but oh well.

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                                                                        ! 1) Katakuri's is the secondary main antagonist of the arc and the most powerful of the crew. Obviously he'd be the most focus in regards to being an obstacle to the strawhats. That still doesn't mean he's competent. He hasn't accomplish anything he set out to do.
                                                                        ! 2) The convenience of Katakuri's devil fruit has no bearing on his competence so him creating ear plugs doesn't mean much. He was the only one with the power to do something like that. Ichiji attacked him and got wrecked. The same thing would have happened had he attacked Smoothie.
                                                                        ! 3) Did Smoothie not capture Nami and Reiju? You're ignoring things to fit your false narrative.
                                                                        ! 4) What do you mean theres no use saving her for the future? Its been stated in multiple occasions that Luffy will fight Big Mom in the future after Kaido. Oda would not let the entire crew of a yonko go to waste.
                                                                        ! You sound completely ridiculous and your argument is nonsensical.

                                                                        ! the saddest thing about your response is that you thought I was meme-ing, I can understand why you'd think that though. How does one have a 900 million bounty and get upstaged by Cracker, some of the lesser siblings in terms of battle strength and even the 700million Perospero. All of whom have appeared far more threatening. Even Galette has done more. You can't say Katakuri is equally as bad because so far he hasn't been able to foil all the plans and stop the crew from running riot when the Yonkou herself hasn't been able to do that either and she's the big boss so your comparative argument falls flat. Katakuri has been putting in work, what other villain has been efficient as him, he even orders Brulee to be useful and set fire to their ship as they attempt an escape. Meanwhile Smoothie is putting those legs to use and telling all her siblings to run because running away, appearing frightened and momentarily grabbing the weakest member of the strawhat crew seems to be the only things she's good at. At least Katakuri dealt with the Vinsmoke that attacked him, she was actually affected by the poison by Reiju's attack. 3rd highest bounty in the crew and she looked more like a victim in her own territory no less. Sorry but she should walk alongside Bobbin or something (one could argue that even that would be too much as he's shown to be more competent than her too).

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                                                                          What an AMAZING experience these two episodes was. I can't over how good they were. The "Memories" montage at the end just killed me.

                                                                          807 did drag a bit with the flashbacks, but the real problem for me there was the flashbacks to the scenes we got just a few episodes ago, everything else was fine. Spotting Koizumi's art surprised me, but man am I happy to see it.

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                                                                            God damn it. I GENUINELY wanted to like this new opening.. since the old one was so awful. This is also one of my favorite arcs hands down and was putting a lot of stock into it.
                                                                            That was so underwhelming and disjointed that I got whiplash. The song doesn't have the typical upbeat/catchy OP style, and the animation was meandering back and forth. Seriously, only two dim still shots of Big Mom – the main antagonist of the entire arc? No real focus on the wedding or the guests? But plenty of action shots from the useless Vinsmoke clan and more Sanji/Luffy drama. Ugh.

                                                                            I'm not even gonna comment on the actual episodes themselves cause it's just the same padded, mediocre crap we always get, so.

                                                                            What about the shot of her facing off with Luffy in Gear Fourth?

                                                                            Given how the wedding is laden with spoilers, I don't really see how they could show any more of it than they already did. Plus, most of the guests there are irrelevant to the arc overall.

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                                                                              Koizumi actually co-Animation Supervised 808 with Yokoyama and he was the top credited key animator on it so I don't think it's the last we'll be seeing of him

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                                                                                They shouldn't have done this special. This felt like the worst Toei has ever paced anything, and I can't imagine the Japanese viewer experience with all the adverts in.

                                                                                The moment was still there, but just surrounded by repeating the same flashbacks 5-6 times in the same hour. Depressing.

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                                                                                  Oddly enough, FUNi's simulcast treats the two new episodes as one double length episode rather than two with the master that they were given being one long episode that has some differences from the CR masters such as the episode title card for 807 being used for the entire episode with no mention of it being "Part 1" on the title card, and no text showing up on screen in the second half to indicate that it's "Part 2". I guess this is how Toei sent it to them and it seems like it'll be this way when they dub it too, same with Dragon Ball Super

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                                                                                    What about the shot of her facing off with Luffy in Gear Fourth?

                                                                                    Given how the wedding is laden with spoilers, I don't really see how they could show any more of it than they already did. Plus, most of the guests there are irrelevant to the arc overall.

                                                                                    It's given so little focus. Gear Fourth there doesn't match any rise in the music and Big Mom is basically a still shot. Coming on the heels of Luffy matching punches with Kaido in the previous opening it's rather underwhelming. There's just nothing that makes this opening stand out.

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                                                                                      They shouldn't have done this special. This felt like the worst Toei has ever paced anything, and I can't imagine the Japanese viewer experience with all the adverts in.

                                                                                      The moment was still there, but just surrounded by repeating the same flashbacks 5-6 times in the same hour. Depressing.

                                                                                      Completely agree. This was awful. If it was combined into a single episode, it could've been great. Flashbacks and commercials accounted for 80% of this episode.

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                                                                                        It makes total sense there though

                                                                                        ! because Big Mom immediately proceeds to smack Gear Fourth down in the actual scene.

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                                                                                          The Episode of East Blue special had the same amount of commercial breaks as this… I don't see why you're surprised.

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                                                                                            It makes total sense there though

                                                                                            ! because Big Mom immediately proceeds to smack Gear Fourth down in the actual scene.

                                                                                            They could at least try and make her have some presence instead of "here's who Luffy's punching today"

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                                                                                              808 Was Really Great Episode , i enjoyed every second of it , Koizumi did good job + storyboard by otsuka ❤
                                                                                              the new colors ( skin , background , everything is perfect since the arc started )

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                                                                                                I really like the new song a thousand percent more than the last couple. The visuals were meh.

                                                                                                Overall this episode had solid animation.

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                                                                                                  @Kaido:

                                                                                                  What about the shot of her facing off with Luffy in Gear Fourth?
                                                                                                  Given how the wedding is laden with spoilers, I don't really see how they could show any more of it than they already did. Plus, most of the guests there are irrelevant to the arc overall.

                                                                                                  Yeah that one was one of the only two shots of her in the whole thing. Whereas Germa got like, what? 3 or 4? And actually animated.
                                                                                                  You can focus on the wedding (which is where the focus SHOULD be, perhaps more so than this Luffy vs Sanji thing) without wandering into spoilers. In terms of visuals, this opening needed to be more like the Impel Down one: fantastical/dream-like, but also dark and foreboding.

                                                                                                  Also now that my meds have worn off –- what exactly was the pacing on that episode? Why did it keep cutting back and forth between things that had already happened? Like, we see Luffy cling to the carriage, it goes into a flashback, then when we get back to the present Luffy clings to the carriage a second time like it hadn't happened. And why were there like 3 commercial breaks back-to-back? Was this special a fever dream? What happened??? hello???????

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                                                                                                    So there were approximately two good shots in there, huh

                                                                                                    Are you talking about the opening ? I agree.

                                                                                                    But the episode had great art really.

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                                                                                                      I am normally more likely to defend the anime and its use of flashbacks, but yeesh I could barely sit through 807. I think there were two flashbacks that I liked: the one at the beginning, and the quick rush of them that Sanji had before he kicked Luffy. The first one I appreciated because it's been forever since I read Baratie (sans None Piece Episode 9) and it was a good usage of those particular scenes. And the rush Sanji had before he attacked Luffy, THAT I felt perfectly encapsulated his emotions during that time. A lot of people didn't really seem to understand him attacking Luffy when this scene first happened, and that scene portrayed his struggle superbly. But showing basically every flashback we've seen in Whole Cake Island, a so far 25 episode arc, on top of that? Fuck that shit, man. What made it worse is that it hampered Sanji's memory rush since so many of the things that came to him we had just seen minutes before, to significantly decreased emotional effect.

                                                                                                      The fight itself? Yeah, I dug it. Stuff had power, new music was on point, the emotion got rawer and rawer as we got closer to the end. But the problem was that I wanted it to end before it began thanks to all those flashbacks. It could have been much more satisfying than it actually was. In an interview when the arc began the anime team talked about how the Luffy-Sanji fight was the thing they wanted to be their magnum opus, at least in the near future, but this whole special thing really hindered that from happening. It shouldn't have been a special, just a very hyped episode. If the flashbacks except Sanji's memory rush were removed and this was an actual episode, I'd probably think it was just as great as the last one. Save the special for like…Luffy vs. Kaido, or something.

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                                                                                                      Yeah that one was one of the only two shots of her in the whole thing. Whereas Germa got like, what? 3 or 4? And actually animated.
                                                                                                      You can focus on the wedding (which is where the focus SHOULD be, perhaps more so than this Luffy vs Sanji thing) without wandering into spoilers. In terms of visuals, this opening needed to be more like the Impel Down one: fantastical/dream-like, but also dark and foreboding.

                                                                                                      Are you talking about Share the World or Kaze wo Sagashite? Because Share the World pulled double duty for two arcs while Kaze wo Sagashite is probably the worst opening ever, with its tone completely conflicting with both the visuals and the tone of the arc it was covering. I'm not sure how this opening doesn't have visuals that do both - you have bright and happy visuals with the Straw Hats, plus their WCI allies getting chances to shine, while you have dark and foreboding visuals with Sanji's struggle, Luffy and Sanji's confrontation, and the Big Mom Pirates visuals.

                                                                                                      I don't really count the Vinsmokes as having more screentime than the Big Mom Pirates, since it focused on each one at a time, and each Vinsmoke's cameo lasted a couple seconds while the Big Mom Pirates' visuals lasted longer. Also, think of it this way: so far in the arc, the Vinsmokes have been the more immediate physical threats, with their superhuman genetic abilities getting focus. Meanwhile, other than Cracker, the Big Mom Pirates have been these looming threats in the background. It also sets up well for when

                                                                                                      ! The Vinsmokes join the Straw Hats' side and flash off their attacks against the evil forces. The Big Mom Pirates don't turn on their full attack mode until much later on in the arc, so until then, the difference in portrayal here makes a lot of sense.
                                                                                                      ! Could you give some ideas for wedding things to show in the opening besides the ones already there? Any further exposure and you'd be likely to find out about the Straw Hats' alliance with Bege, the plot to assassinate the Vinsmokes, Big Mom's craving, abilities best left for the future, all that stuff that wouldn't really make a whole lot of sense to an anime watcher. The relationship between Luffy and Sanji and the Straw Hats' struggle in Whole Cake Island overall are very relevant to the theme of the arc, and there's no need to overshadow them just because the wedding is fresh in our minds and we want hype for that more. "Hard Knock Days" didn't put a significant amount of focus into the climax of Dressrosa, but it still captured the atmosphere of that part of the arc. This opening had all the major pieces of this arc including the Straw Hats, their allies, their enemies, the Firetank Pirates, a few things to hype up the wedding, and most importantly Sanji, the main focus of this arc. This opening is relevant now and it will still be relevant during the climax of the arc because it knows how to balance things.

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                                                                                                        Unpopular opinion: Kaze wo Sagashite is legitimately fun once you get past the part where it doesn't at all match the current tone at the time. I'll never get tired of the Nazi-inspired guards saluting at the cheer in the song. I know it's a huge caveat but in a vacuum it's actually quite passable.

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