Chapter 880: Chance of escape 0%

[Count Mario]

@RomanceDawn:

I wasn't to interested in Pudding's silliness at first but this chapter really had me laughing out loud. Her telling everyone that they successfully got married because you know thats what she wants is pretty funny when you see her reactions. Sanji is just going with the flow, like if it really does happen sure why not?

Thats going to be the biggest yabadabado yet, definitely with the enthusiasm of Fred Flintstone getting out of work.

How do I make videos appear directly in my posts? I hit the video icon and insert the link but it isn't working right.

Are you typing in youtube links on your phone instead of a computer? Whenever I try uploading videos on forum comments through my phone, it only shows up as as only a link. It might be because mobile devices somehow type in video URLs differently, if that even makes sense.

[Screwtape]

Guys I don't know…How...HOW are the SH's gonna get out of this? The despair Oda created is REAL, cut it with an axe! Luffy is getting TRASHED, Teethdog is literally taking out garbage! Oda is doing a great job showing how SH stands no chance against Katakuri. Luffy has NOTHING left in the tank, Nothing else up his sleeve! Him scrambling to pick up mirror pieces to get the message to the crew to break all the mirrors so that FOOT SOLDIERS that Brooke and Chopper were manhandling won't come on the Sunny to wreck the crew! The genius of Kattooth finally talking about setting fire to the ship. Now that it is in motion, after he was chilling on it not to long ago. Dude is brilliant! Now Meme fuses her soul with water, recreates Aqua Laguna all over again! Guys that wave is going to smother the Sunny. Even though Jinbei is there who can manipulate water! This tension is the best ever! Goda is life!!!

[The Tenth Strawhat]

@RomanceDawn:

I wasn't to interested in Pudding's silliness at first but this chapter really had me laughing out loud. Her telling everyone that they successfully got married because you know thats what she wants is pretty funny when you see her reactions. Sanji is just going with the flow, like if it really does happen sure why not?

Thats going to be the biggest yabadabado yet, definitely with the enthusiasm of Fred Flintstone getting out of work.

How do I make videos appear directly in my posts? I hit the video icon and insert the link but it isn't working right.

Do what I do, copy the web address for the video straight from the bar. Works every time.

! Like this.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

@Screwtape:

Guys I don't know…How...HOW are the SH's gonna get out of this? The despair Oda created is REAL, cut it with an axe! Luffy is getting TRASHED, Teethdog is literally taking out garbage! Oda is doing a great job showing how SH stands no chance against Katakuri. Luffy has NOTHING left in the tank, Nothing else up his sleeve! Him scrambling to pick up mirror pieces to get the message to the crew to break all the mirrors so that FOOT SOLDIERS that Brooke and Chopper were manhandling won't come on the Sunny to wreck the crew! The genius of Kattooth finally talking about setting fire to the ship. Now that it is in motion, after he was chilling on it not to long ago. Dude is brilliant! Now Meme fuses her soul with water, recreates Aqua Laguna all over again! Guys that wave is going to smother the Sunny. Even though Jinbei is there who can manipulate water! This tension is the best ever! Goda is life!!!

Highly doubtful Jinbe can control an amount of water that large.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Count:

Are you typing in youtube links on your phone instead of a computer? Whenever I try uploading videos on forum comments through my phone, it only shows up as as only a link. It might be because mobile devices somehow type in video URLs differently, if that even makes sense.

i use the video function on here but then delete the s from https and replace the m with www and it formats it perfectly fine for me.

[vlad Dracul]

u know what would be really cool

instant coating and then they hide below the ocean, easy safe zone for 3 hrs

[Hitotsumami]

A little Pudding coloring for funsies~

[Sereques]

@uniaka:

But luffy already looks screwed now.

Besides, considering his fight with cracker lasted 11 hours, it's unlikely that he has G4 same time limit from dressrosa.

Obviously, he wasn't in G4 for 11 hours and that fight lasted 11 hours so they can meet Sanji on the road.

Katakuri will be defeated once Luffy figures out how to damage him, that may take him 3hours to figure out :ninja:

[El_Luffy_Roja]

Believe the following events will occur.
Tsunami to incapacitate sunny.
Crew flee in the subshark before tsunami hits them.
Big mom will find no cake, and kill perospero.

How much mom will go rampage on the kingdom is ???
Battle vs katakuri will not have a winner but luffy will showcase something new.
Why 1vs1 will end is when katakuri realise that big muma rage is the larger threat to his siblings.
He will not fight her but help mugiwaras in some way with the cake.

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Mom eats cake and loses conscience.
Mugiwaras are allowed to leave 8n subshark or an allied ship

[Jazzy Jinx]

Ideas I'm playing around with but are doubtful:

• Jinbe shows off those supposed helmsman skills and has the Thousand Sunny surf that shit

• Sanji mixes poison into the wedding cake; I figure he's a skilled enough chef that he could probably hide the taste of poison inside of it. I doubt it'll stop her though, but maybe it'll make her nauseous long enough for her to stop being a threat while they fuck off to Wano

[Blissed]

People gotta stop suggesting that Sanji of all people is going to poison his own food. Not to mention that he'd also be poisoning a woman…

And anyways, as further evidenced by this chapter, he's clearly going the route of making the cake so delicious that it'll make Big Mom faint.

[Jaime]

Sanji isn't poisoning shit, he wouldn't disgrace food ever like that.

If people want more out of Sanji you may get more with this:

So Sanji could get a fight, make a boss ass cake in the end to knock out a emperor and maybe even a wife in the end.

[Count Mario]

I think Daifuku and maybe Oven/Smoothie/Compote will try to intervene in Sanji baking the cake. I skimmed through the past chapters when I remember that Katakuri wanted everybody to split up into two groups.

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Katakuri took Brûlée to capture the Straw Hats, and Perospero tagged along. That is likely the squad said to be designated towards capturing the Straw Hats. Other squads were organized to go after Bege and the Vinsmokes. There's no way that the rest of the Big Mom Pirates are going to left on the sidelines while Sanji has to bake a cake for about three hours. Bege is most likely going to come back into the picture by not wanting to leave Chiffon behind, and the Vinsmokes can eventually come back to witness Sanji's culinary brilliance saving the day.

So there is still hope to see some action for both the cake baking process and Sanji. Not that I expect to see Sanji get a full 1v1 fight, but it would be very unwise to hastily think the cake bake plan is going to be a boring off-paneled process. The trick is in Oda being able to balance panel time between the Sunny's, Luffy's, and Sanji's respective perspectives during this arc climax. I want to have hope in his ability to deliver on all of this. And at the end of the day, all three of these plotlines are way more suspenseful and entertaining than the characters that were juggled during the last half/third or so of Dressrosa like the Dwarves, Riku Family, and Zoro versus Pica getting dragged out.

[Sereques]

@El_Luffy_Roja:

Believe the following events will occur.
Tsunami to incapacitate sunny.
Crew flee in the subshark before tsunami hits them.
Big mom will find no cake, and kill perospero.

How much mom will go rampage on the kingdom is ???
Battle vs katakuri will not have a winner but luffy will showcase something new.
Why 1vs1 will end is when katakuri realise that big muma rage is the larger threat to his siblings.
He will not fight her but help mugiwaras in some way with the cake.

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Mom eats cake and loses conscience.
Mugiwaras are allowed to leave 8n subshark or an allied ship

Your prediction involve them returning without Sunny, that is not possible.

[Watch-man]

@Count:

I think Daifuku and maybe Oven/Smoothie/Compote will try to intervene in Sanji baking the cake. I skimmed through the past chapters when I remember that Katakuri wanted everybody to split up into two groups.

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Katakuri took Brûlée to capture the Straw Hats, and Perospero tagged along. That is likely the squad said to be designated towards capturing the Straw Hats. Other squads were organized to go after Bege and the Vinsmokes. There's no way that the rest of the Big Mom Pirates are going to left on the sidelines while Sanji has to bake a cake for about three hours. Bege is most likely going to come back into the picture by not wanting to leave Chiffon behind, and the Vinsmokes can eventually come back to witness Sanji's culinary brilliance saving the day.

So there is still hope to see some action for both the cake baking process and Sanji. Not that I expect to see Sanji get a full 1v1 fight, but it would be very unwise to hastily think the cake bake plan is going to be a boring off-paneled process. The trick is in Oda being able to balance panel time between the Sunny's, Luffy's, and Sanji's respective perspectives during this arc climax. I want to have hope in his ability to deliver on all of this. And at the end of the day, all three of these plotlines are way more suspenseful and entertaining than the characters that were juggled during the last half/third or so of Dressrosa like the Dwarves, Riku Family, and Zoro versus Pica getting dragged out.

Daifuku says hello to you.

He slapped Pudding once. When he will get to know that Sanji is baking a cake for Big Mom he will try to kill him for it. Mark my words.

Also in this weeks chapter Oda has put in at least one panel some characters with balls like Daifukus(I mean balls that he has on shoulders if anyones concerned ).

He fits theme of flying carpet - Daifukus ability is inspired by Alladins tale that includes flying carpet that Pudding is using. He is most fit for Sanji 1 vs 1 that we wait for and I am sure that Oda will not end their confilict in point where it looked like Daifuku is stronger one after we had such thing done to us with Vergo vs Sanji in past. Not again.

BTW After Katakuri vs Luffy is finished I think that Luffy will use Mirrors to contact Pekoms and he will ask him for help in escaping saying that Pedro died to help.

Pekoms will respect Pedros dying wish and will help Luffy escape from Big Mom territory. This way we will be sure that Pekoms didnt save Pedro and Pekoms will get to play a role he was kind of build up since Zou.

[Count Mario]

@Watch-man:

Daifuku says hello to you.

He slapped Pudding once. When he will get to know that Sanji is baking a cake for Big Mom he will try to kill him for it. Mark my words.

Also in this weeks chapter Oda has put in at least one panel some characters with balls like Daifukus(I mean balls that he has on shoulders if anyones concerned ).

BTW After Katakuri vs Luffy is finished I think that Luffy will use Mirrors to contact Pekoms and he will ask him for help in escaping saying that Pedro died to help.

Pekoms will respect Pedros dying wish and will help Luffy escape from Big Mom territory. This way we will be sure that Pekoms didnt save Pedro and Pekoms will get to play a role he was kind of build up since Zou.

It's not Daifuku that I'm skeptical of, it's Oda's focus. We've gone through over fifty chapters in this arc and the only character who has had a fight is Luffy. Actually, he's having his second one right now. Everybody else gets background support, quick knockouts, or defeats. Granted, Sanji is the most major character here besides Luffy. Yet that makes me think that he will be kept towards baking the cake, the plot device meant to save the day, instead of a full fight even more. I would love to be proven wrong and get both a full fight and a cool cake out of this though.

And if the Big Mom Pirates try to stop Sanji baking the cake, I guarantee that they will somehow be persuaded into helping out with baking the cake. Even if Sanji fights Daifuku, there's no way he's taking on everybody else who will probably be there with him.

I also doubt that Pekoms' only role is to help the Straw Hats escape from Big Mom. I lean more towards him interacting with Pedro when he's obviously revealed to be alive. And maybe vouching for the Straw Hats if Big Mom gets convinced to let them leave her territory to face Kaido.

[Watch-man]

@Count:

It's not Daifuku that I'm skeptical of, it's Oda's focus. We've gone through over fifty chapters in this arc and the only character who has had a fight is Luffy. Actually, he's having his second one right now. Everybody else gets background support, quick knockouts, or defeats. Granted, Sanji is the most major character here besides Luffy. Yet that makes me think that he will be kept towards baking the cake, the plot device meant to save the day, instead of a full fight even more. I would love to be proven wrong and get both a full fight and a cool cake out of this though.

And if the Big Mom Pirates try to stop Sanji baking the cake, I guarantee that they will somehow be persuaded into helping out with baking the cake. Even if Sanji fights Daifuku, there's no way he's taking on everybody else who will probably be there with him.

I also doubt that Pekoms' only role is to help the Straw Hats escape from Big Mom. I lean more towards him interacting with Pedro when he's obviously revealed to be alive. And maybe vouching for the Straw Hats if Big Mom gets convinced to let them leave her territory to face Kaido.

I expect Daifuku to be stubborn, ruthless bastard he was shown to be and getting kish teeth kicked in for it by Sanji.

Also I would love if Sanji beats up even more characters - Tamago was hyped and even transformed to his strongest form. Sanji taking out over 400mln pirate would also be hype as hell(incomparable to Luffy taking out Katakuri but hey we had something like that long time ago - with Lucci and Jabra getting taken out).

Owen though can show up and help bake the cake imo.

Considering Pekoms I think that sympathy that he and Luffy were shown to somehow have(at least from Luffys side) will not be be for naught. If not as Nakama I want Pekoms to at least end up as an Ally and him to split with Big Mom crew.

[Jazzy Jinx]

I say poison loosely. I don't see why Sanji can't at least put sleeping pills in the damn cake. He already put poison (and razors) into Zoro's food. =P

But sure, I guess the secret ingredient will just be strawberries.~

[Count Mario]

@Jazzy:

I say poison loosely. I don't see why Sanji can't at least put sleeping pills in the damn cake. He already put poison (and razors) into Zoro's food. =P

But sure, I guess the secret ingredient will just be strawberries.~

Nope, he isn't putting anything that doesn't belong in food into the cake. Even if it's something non-lethal. We are talking about the guy who refuses to ever use his precious hands used for cooking in combat, is skilled with kitchen knives enough to be a swordsman yet will only ever use them to slice food, was willing to work for Zeff at the expense of his dream because of a life debt from years ago even though Zeff was willing to let him go, and never hits women even if it might get himself and his closest friends killed.

When he says that he's going to bake a cake that is REALLY tasty, he REALLY means it. That's Sanji for you.

@Watch-man:

I expect Daifuku to be stubborn, ruthless bastard he was shown to be and getting kish teeth kicked in for it by Sanji.

Also I would love if Sanji beats up even more characters - Tamago was hyped and even transformed to his strongest form. Sanji taking out over 400mln pirate would also be hype as hell(incomparable to Luffy taking out Katakuri but hey we had something like that long time ago - with Lucci and Jabra getting taken out).

Owen though can show up and help bake the cake imo.

Considering Pekoms I think that sympathy that he and Luffy were shown to somehow have(at least from Luffys side) will not be be for naught. If not as Nakama I want Pekoms to at least end up as an Ally and him to split with Big Mom crew.

I still expect plot to somehow stop him from interfering. To the point where I can even see his own siblings obstructing him from acting irrationally vengeful, not only Sanji.

I would like that too, but the opportunity for such an event with Tamago has likely passed.

We're going to need more than Oven. Though interestingly, Daifuku does happen to be one of the few Big Mom Pirates without food-based Devil Fruit powers.

There wouldn't be a point in having him be off-paneled so much and fervently loyal to Big Mom for so long if he was going to end up leaving her crew. He even seems to be okay with Big Mom hunting down Luffy and Jimbei right now. He does not have to leave Big Mom's crew for his relationship with Luffy to go to waste.

[Watch-man]

For me simply put Pekoms does not fit into Big Mom Pirates as he is far more moral than I would say any of them that we seen taking action.

With his ability to fly Tamago can be pretty fast in various places. He most likely will try and stop Beges group, we will see. I hope he will not be left unused, even if he will end up as hype tool for lets say Ichiji(Germa shown fighting Big Mom Pirates with panels of Ichiji vs Tamago aerial battle with Tamago getting terribly beaten).

Using Tamago to hype a bit Germa again would be plenty cool I guess and better than hyping up Tamagos transformation and leaving it in the open without using it later on.

[Count Mario]

Oda likely made Pekoms have morals in the first place in order to subtly hint that the Big Mom Pirates are not as typically evil to the brim as other arc antagonist factions in the past. In this very chapter, Katakuri criticizes Luffy for not being strong enough to protect his crewmates and states that he will not allow Luffy to harm his precious little brothers and sisters. Perospero's a jerk, but what do you expect from somebody who got their arm blown off by a random intruder's suicide bombing? He was also willing to let Chopper and Brook leave before they started fighting back. Even Big Mom has her own misguided layer morality layering behind her despicable actions and methodology.

[Watch-man]

@Count:

Oda likely made Pekoms have morals in the first place in order to subtly hint that the Big Mom Pirates are not as typically evil to the brim as other arc antagonist factions in the past. In this very chapter, Katakuri criticizes Luffy for not being strong enough to protect his crewmates and states that he will not allow Luffy to harm his precious little brothers and sisters. Perospero's a jerk, but what do you expect from somebody who got their arm blown off by a random intruder's suicide bombing? He was also willing to let Chopper and Brook leave before they started fighting back. Even Big Mom has her own misguided layer morality layering behind her despicable actions and methodology.

I am not sure about Perospero being honest with possibly letting Brook and Chopper go - he loves to torture as it seems and giving them hope just to take it away from them is what I seen in scene you mentioned.
Even if they would choose to run he would still turn them into candy.

As group I see BMP as band of ruthless assholes and not better in any way than what we got from enemies group in past. Birds of same feather and If I would compare some of old baddies group contained better people than what we get now.

[Koliber]

@Watch-man:

For me simply put Pekoms does not fit into Big Mom Pirates as he is far more moral than I would say any of them that we seen taking action.

With his ability to fly Tamago can be pretty fast in various places. He most likely will try and stop Beges group, we will see. I hope he will not be left unused, even if he will end up as hype tool for lets say Ichiji(Germa shown fighting Big Mom Pirates with panels of Ichiji vs Tamago aerial battle with Tamago getting terribly beaten).

Using Tamago to hype a bit Germa again would be plenty cool I guess and better than hyping up Tamagos transformation and leaving it in the open without using it later on.

I think Pekoms has the same morality of "I will stick my neck out for my firends/family, but have no qualms for killing outsiders" shared by Bon Clay, Katakuri, Bege, Tamago (he had no grudge towards Bege for carrying out his mission but still was willing to confront Mama about forgiving Pekoms) and probably few others I've forgotten about. I wouldn't call it moral, it's the most selfish form of selflessness there is. Even Senor Pink is a notch better when he will help everyone aside of those he is currently ordered to kill.

[Watch-man]

@Koliber:

I think Pekoms has the same morality of "I will stick my neck out for my firends/family, but have no qualms for killing outsiders" shared by Bon Clay, Katakuri, Bege, Tamago (he had no grudge towards Bege for carrying out his mission but still was willing to confront Mama about forgiving Pekoms) and probably few others I've forgotten about. I wouldn't call it moral, it's the most selfish form of selflessness there is. Even Senor Pink is a notch better when he will help everyone aside of those he is currently ordered to kill.

Selfish or not, he is closes to being moral out of BMP that we seen + we didnt seen him doing anything more than making treats to people.

[Count Mario]

@Watch-man:

I am not sure about Perospero being honest with possibly letting Brook and Chopper go - he loves to torture as it seems and giving them hope just to take it away from them is what I seen in scene you mentioned.
Even if they would choose to run he would still turn them into candy.

As group I see BMP as band of ruthless assholes and not better in any way than what we got from enemies group in past. Birds of same feather and If I would compare some of old baddies group contained better people than what we get now.

He is a sadist, not arguing that. He did compare the Vinsmokes to cattle if I'm not mistaken. But… I don't know. He hasn't really maliciously attacked anybody for the sake of it. Any actions he had were always justified from a rational antagonist perspective. It's more that he happens to enjoy his job a bit too much lol. I believe him when he said that he would have let Chopper and Brook go since they seemed too weak and inconsequential to be threats.

I would only look at the Big Mom Pirates as a band of ruthless assholes if they had the typical "I don't care about my crewmates and view them as being expandable tools" or "I look down upon dreams and symbols of pride in the pirate world" sense of immorality. But they don't. They actually care about each other as family and manage a peaceful kingdom. They only act bitter when they suspect one of them might go traitor like with Lola, Opera, and Brûlée. But even then, we never see them explicitly punish or with ill will, and were even worried about Lola when they thought she was killed by the Straw Hats. The most messed up thing any of them ever really did was when Daifuku smacked Pudding for failing at her job or Bege shooting Pekoms (with Tamago approving of that decision), but Pekoms was literally trying to undermine Big Mom's orders for an essential political marriage scheme. Nobody has done anything as completely messed up like trying to kill allies who failed and innocent hostages to remove an opponent's leverage (Lucci), or using minions as meat shields (Hody). Maybe Opera trying to torture Luffy and Nami for info can fall in there, but that got executed with a fair amount of gags to have levity and not look too despicable, and Opera wasn't sadistic about it like Perospero.

Big Mom is the only one that uses her children for her own selfish gain without regarding how they feel, rigs deals to kill people who lose, and intimidates her crewmates to the point that they won't report things to her in fear of getting destroyed. But even then, she still has her dream of wanting peace and being able to eat with her family eye-to-eye and a childlike mentality.

They're bad people... but not THAT bad. They're sort of what I expect from a pirate crew that is not outright malicious for the sake of it. I would say Pudding is slightly more of a malicious sadist than Perospero. I almost forgot about her. But even then, the Vinsmokes are a family of super villains and she is getting redeemed right now.

[Watch-man]

@Count:

He is a sadist, not arguing that. He did compare the Vinsmokes to cattle if I'm not mistaken. But… I don't know. He hasn't really maliciously attacked anybody for the sake of it. Any actions he had were always justified from a rational antagonist perspective. It's more that he happens to enjoy his job a bit too much lol. I believe him when he said that he would have let Chopper and Brook go since they seemed too weak and inconsequential to be threats.

I would only look at the Big Mom Pirates as a band of ruthless assholes if they had the typical "I don't care about my crewmates and view them as being expandable tools" or "I look down upon dreams and symbols of pride in the pirate world" sense of immorality. But they don't. They actually care about each other as family and manage a peaceful kingdom. They only act bitter when they suspect one of them might go traitor like with Lola, Opera, and Brûlée. But even then, we never see them explicitly punish or with ill will, and were even worried about Lola when they thought she was killed by the Straw Hats. The most messed up thing any of them ever really did was when Daifuku smacked Pudding for failing at her job or Bege shooting Pekoms (with Tamago approving of that decision), but Pekoms was literally trying to undermine Big Mom's orders for an essential political marriage scheme. Nobody has done anything as completely messed up like trying to kill allies who failed and innocent hostages to remove an opponent's leverage (Lucci), or using minions as meat shields (Hody). Maybe Opera trying to torture Luffy and Nami for info can fall in there, but that got executed with a fair amount of gags to have levity and not look too despicable, and Opera wasn't sadistic about it like Perospero.

Big Mom is the only one that uses her children for her own selfish gain without regarding how they feel, rigs deals to kill people who lose, and intimidates her crewmates to the point that they won't report things to her in fear of getting destroyed. But even then, she still has her dream of wanting peace and being able to eat with her family eye-to-eye and a childlike mentality.

They're bad people... but not THAT bad. They're sort of what I expect from a pirate crew that is not outright malicious for the sake of it. I would say Pudding is slightly more of a malicious sadist than Perospero. I almost forgot about her. But even then, the Vinsmokes are a family of super villains and she is getting redeemed right now.

Also remember how he mocked Judge with use of his words. Making fun of his crushed hopes and dying as sacrifice.

Pudding is not even near Perospero if we compare sadistic traits, if you even compare them then we have completely different experience reading this arc.

Also if you want to compare groups- just one example - Big Mom kills her own children for lies(Opera) or going against her(Muscat) and she threatened Perospero.
You might want to say "but it was during her tantrum" - but I would say that she shown no remorse after she went back to her senses.

To compare it with Doflamingo who forgiven everything beside treason to people who were family paints a picture. I know its not that one sided but there is big contrast.

Also all of them were okay with killing entire family of people that they tricked into thinking they are allies. Slaughtering all of them in almost ritual-like way and then enjoying cake.

Those guys are one of sickest One Piece seen yet, no better than Trebol, Lucci, Enel and few others.

[Count Mario]

@Watch-man:

Also remember how he mocked Judge with use of his words. Making fun of his crushed hopes and dying as sacrifice.

Pudding is not even near Perospero if we compare sadistic traits, if you even compare them then we have completely different experience reading this arc.

Except Judge is complete scum, and his dreams were about reconquering North Blue. Perospero was harsh, but not to a notable inhuman level.

Pudding made fun of Sanji's face being bruised by his siblings and confession of wanting to have a happy marriage with her in an emotionally desperate sitiation for him right after shooting his sister. She also made faces while imagining how Sanji would react to her third eye in horror/disgust and told Luffy about her wanting to kill Sanji and the Straw Hats being doomed only because she wanted to troll him before they all died. And she erased Reiju's memories at the end, meaning that she monologued about all of that purely for the sake of villainously monologuing.

Yes, she is a sadist. Moreso than Perospero in my opinion. Not that it even matters since she got a tragic backstory and is getting redeemed.

[Watch-man]

@Count:

Except Judge is complete scum, and his dreams were about reconquering North Blue. Perospero was harsh, but not to a notable inhuman level.

Pudding made fun of Sanji's face being bruised by his siblings and confession of wanting to have a happy marriage with her in an emotionally desperate sitiation for him right after shooting his sister. She also made faces while imagining how Sanji would react to her third eye in horror/disgust and told Luffy about her wanting to kill Sanji and the Straw Hats being doomed only because she wanted to troll him before they all died. And she erased Reiju's memories at the end, meaning that she monologued about all of that purely for the sake of villainously monologuing.

Yes, she is a sadist. Moreso than Perospero in my opinion. Not that it even matters since she got a tragic backstory and is getting redeemed.

Well thats how you want to see it not how it is.

At one side making excuse for Perospero and blowing what Pudding did out of proportions.

[Koliber]

@Watch-man:

Well thats how you want to see it not how it is.

At one side making excuse for Perospero and blowing what Pudding did out of proportions.

About Perospero you could make a case that he'd do the same if someone else was in place of Judge (though it's normal for a human to see evil act enacted on a scum to be seen as noticeably less evil). But he didn't blow anything out of proportion regarding Pudding, he described it accurately. Pudding is (or at least was) a sadist no less than Perospero.

[Dranza]

Pudding was a savage, nothing Count said was an exaggeration. She has been more horrible than the creepy looking Willy Wonka until lately.

[Watch-man]

Well Perospero explains to his victims what will happen to them, how they will die and that he will lick their dead bodies turned to candy.

And you folks compare him with Pudding.. jeez.. talk about objectively describing character..

[Dranza]

@Watch-man:

Well Perospero explains to his victims what will happen to them, how they will die and that he will lick their dead bodies turned to candy.

And you folks compare him with Pudding.. jeez.. talk about objectively describing character..

Pudding did describe how she's going to wait til she sees the horror on Sanji's face after the third eye reveal before planting a bullet between his eyes. She was villainous enough to tell Luffy what her plans were for Sanji while he was chained up. At that point in time Perospero didn't do much anyway hence why I wrote "until lately" of course she can't compete with him anymore because she's essentially being redeemed and turned good so her evil feats stopped as soon as Sanji called her third eye beautiful.

[Watch-man]

Sorry but after reading your post I think not reading it would change as much. I dont buy equaling Perospero and Puddings sadism.

[Koliber]

@Watch-man:

Sorry but after reading your post I think not reading it would change as much. I dont buy equaling Perospero and Puddings sadism.

I'm afraid you're th one unable to see things objectively. You said that describing his victims' cruel fate to them was Perospro's trait that puts him above Pudding in sadism, to which you get the response that Pudding did the same. And she did. Twice. With no less pleasure than Perospero, by the way. If your reaction to this is that it changes nothing for you, it means you're denying facts.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

I think katakuri is the first final arc villain luffy had that I don't really give a sht about. First half of this arc he wasn't even known or introduced, 2 chapters ago he started looking like final villain as in when this arc is almost over. Even if he would be stronger then doflamingo, you can't compare the guy present the entire story in many arcs defeated and battle with some guy I didn't have time to care about yet. I won't remeber him next arc. Same with the guy from punk hazard, Vergo or whatever was his name. He is just like cracker, except cracker had the excuse of ''this arc's blueno'' just some start of the arc obstacle. And katakuri also gets outshined all the time by BM. He doesn't have his own story or character, he is just … there, like those chess soldiers.

Even about other villains that are also limited to 1 arc, at least you now they are the real villain from the start and they don't get outshined by someone else in their own arc.

Just like doflamingo, I would have liked to see katakuri's impact on the Op world, in previous arcs. Even CC has like 4 arcs now and you can see he is pretty much the pirate's vegapunk and build a yonkou's army and weapons, and others younkous want him. Katakuri looks just like excuse to still give luffy a fight, even if he can't beat the real deal, BM.

And it's not like oda didn't have time to show more about katakuri, if he had time to show bobbin or tamago ever since fishman island.

[Megaman]

I don't expect Luffy to beat someone like Katakuri. I think one way to get Luffy out of the mirrorworld alive is when after Big Mom is knocked out by the cake, Sanji offers to trade Katakuri. He will give back the unconcious Big Mom for the beaten Luffy. This is also gives the rest of the crew an opportunity to escape, as Big Mom will basically be a hostage at that point preventing Smoothie and the others from acting.

[KageKageKing]

@uniaka:

I think katakuri is the first final arc villain luffy had that I don't really give a sht about. First half of this arc he wasn't even known or introduced, 2 chapters ago he started looking like final villain as in when this arc is almost over. Even if he would be stronger then doflamingo, you can't compare the guy present the entire story in many arcs defeated and battle with some guy I didn't have time to care about yet. I won't remeber him next arc. Same with the guy from punk hazard, Vergo or whatever was his name. He is just like cracker, except cracker had the excuse of ''this arc's blueno'' just some start of the arc obstacle. And katakuri also gets outshined all the time by BM. He doesn't have his own story or character, he is just … there, like those chess soldiers.

Even about other villains that are also limited to 1 arc, at least you now they are the real villain from the start and they don't get outshined by someone else in their own arc.

Just like doflamingo, I would have liked to see katakuri's impact on the Op world, in previous arcs. Even CC has like 4 arcs now and you can see he is pretty much the pirate's vegapunk and build a yonkou's army and weapons, and others younkous want him. Katakuri looks just like excuse to still give luffy a fight, even if he can't beat the real deal, BM.

And it's not like oda didn't have time to show more about katakuri, if he had time to show bobbin or tamago ever since fishman island.

That's the dumbest explanation I seen of why this character is forgetable if I ever saw one.

[Dranza]

@uniaka:

I think katakuri is the first final arc villain luffy had that I don't really give a sht about. First half of this arc he wasn't even known or introduced, 2 chapters ago he started looking like final villain as in when this arc is almost over. Even if he would be stronger then doflamingo, you can't compare the guy present the entire story in many arcs defeated and battle with some guy I didn't have time to care about yet. I won't remeber him next arc. Same with the guy from punk hazard, Vergo or whatever was his name. He is just like cracker, except cracker had the excuse of ''this arc's blueno'' just some start of the arc obstacle. And katakuri also gets outshined all the time by BM. He doesn't have his own story or character, he is just … there, like those chess soldiers.

Even about other villains that are also limited to 1 arc, at least you now they are the real villain from the start and they don't get outshined by someone else in their own arc.

Just like doflamingo, I would have liked to see katakuri's impact on the Op world, in previous arcs. Even CC has like 4 arcs now and you can see he is pretty much the pirate's vegapunk and build a yonkou's army and weapons, and others younkous want him. Katakuri looks just like excuse to still give luffy a fight, even if he can't beat the real deal, BM.

And it's not like oda didn't have time to show more about katakuri, if he had time to show bobbin or tamago ever since fishman island.

Katakuri by the looks of it didn't want to be the final villain of this arc either he was invited to this shitty wedding on his Mom's orders and thought it would be something rather routine and he'd be on his merry way. Instead he saw a real threat to his family and is now dealing with it. He's not exactly your evil scheming pirate who plans to take over the world he's a very overprotective older brother that is doing what needs to be done from a family perspective. Oda hasn't even gone out of his way to show Dogtooth doing anything particularly villainous, he's had opportunities aplenty to harm the weaker people around him but he hasn't, bar one instance where Ichiji attacked him and got his ass handed to him but that can be classed as self defense. Everything he's done so far was defensive manoeuvres to protect members of his family including Big Mom. BM even looks down on him when she tells him to stay out of it and she can handle matters on her own. He might be the final battle for Luffy this arc but that doesn't mean he needed a big build up to enable him to be the final battle, the main enemy is Big Mom and you will remember her til the end of time, of that I'm sure and she's the captain of the crew. Whether you forget her next in command doesn't matter, Oda isn't trying to make him the big bad and never has. Either way there's probably another 6 or so chapters of Katakuri for you to remember him by and possibly more further down the line so start getting used to his presence I'd say.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Count:

It's not Daifuku that I'm skeptical of, it's Oda's focus. We've gone through over fifty chapters in this arc and the only character who has had a fight is Luffy. Actually, he's having his second one right now. Everybody else gets background support, quick knockouts, or defeats. Granted, Sanji is the most major character here besides Luffy. Yet that makes me think that he will be kept towards baking the cake, the plot device meant to save the day, instead of a full fight even more. I would love to be proven wrong and get both a full fight and a cool cake out of this though.

And if the Big Mom Pirates try to stop Sanji baking the cake, I guarantee that they will somehow be persuaded into helping out with baking the cake. Even if Sanji fights Daifuku, there's no way he's taking on everybody else who will probably be there with him.

I also doubt that Pekoms' only role is to help the Straw Hats escape from Big Mom. I lean more towards him interacting with Pedro when he's obviously revealed to be alive. And maybe vouching for the Straw Hats if Big Mom gets convinced to let them leave her territory to face Kaido.

Imo the opposite pekoms vouching for pedro's life to be restored by big mom

[Woodstock]

@uniaka:

I think katakuri is the first final arc villain luffy had that I don't really give a sht about. First half of this arc he wasn't even known or introduced, 2 chapters ago he started looking like final villain as in when this arc is almost over. Even if he would be stronger then doflamingo, you can't compare the guy present the entire story in many arcs defeated and battle with some guy I didn't have time to care about yet. I won't remeber him next arc. Same with the guy from punk hazard, Vergo or whatever was his name. He is just like cracker, except cracker had the excuse of ''this arc's blueno'' just some start of the arc obstacle. And katakuri also gets outshined all the time by BM. He doesn't have his own story or character, he is just … there, like those chess soldiers.

Even about other villains that are also limited to 1 arc, at least you now they are the real villain from the start and they don't get outshined by someone else in their own arc.

Just like doflamingo, I would have liked to see katakuri's impact on the Op world, in previous arcs. Even CC has like 4 arcs now and you can see he is pretty much the pirate's vegapunk and build a yonkou's army and weapons, and others younkous want him. Katakuri looks just like excuse to still give luffy a fight, even if he can't beat the real deal, BM.

And it's not like oda didn't have time to show more about katakuri, if he had time to show bobbin or tamago ever since fishman island.

He is in a different position than other Villians though…

Doflamingo was the King of Dressrosa and the leader of his crew.
Lucci was the de-facto strongest and 'leader' of CP9.
Enel was the strongest of Skypaei.
Same thing with Crocodile...Magellan, Akainu...Kizaru...Kuma...etc.

All so far aside from Gastino/Vergo, were the heads or strongest of their respective arcs/organizations. I don't consider Vergo to be that strong, considering how he got fodderized by Law the moment Law took away his handicap.
This is different, Katakuri is a Sweet Commander and is said to be the strongest. But there is still BM. It is also about showcasing the power tiers of the Yonkou crew compared to the Strawhats or any other Supernova. If the Sweet Commanders turn out to be fantastic, memorable characters, then great. If not, they still did their job in showing power differences.

If Katakuri and Smoothie are ****ing their pants about BM's rampage and screams, yet Sweet Commanders are steam rolling Strawhats then you can see the power difference.

I say Sweet Commander(s) because Cracker would have likely destroyed Luffy without Nami. Whether the characters themselves are memorable or not, their effect is still there in showcasing just how strong a Yonkou crew truly is and how far the Strawhats still have to go. A loooong way to go, because even if their strongest half was here if Luffy is getting stomped by two Sweet Commander on separate occasions with Gear 4, there's no way the second strongest - Zoro will be able to match them without near death experience. Or even their ally Law for that matter (who is actually quite strong if you ignore Doffy's messed up 'regen' ability).

[Blissed]

@uniaka:

I think katakuri is the first final arc villain luffy had that I don't really give a sht about. First half of this arc he wasn't even known or introduced, 2 chapters ago he started looking like final villain as in when this arc is almost over. Even if he would be stronger then doflamingo, you can't compare the guy present the entire story in many arcs defeated and battle with some guy I didn't have time to care about yet. I won't remeber him next arc. Same with the guy from punk hazard, Vergo or whatever was his name. He is just like cracker, except cracker had the excuse of ''this arc's blueno'' just some start of the arc obstacle. And katakuri also gets outshined all the time by BM. He doesn't have his own story or character, he is just … there, like those chess soldiers.

Even about other villains that are also limited to 1 arc, at least you now they are the real villain from the start and they don't get outshined by someone else in their own arc.

Just like doflamingo, I would have liked to see katakuri's impact on the Op world, in previous arcs. Even CC has like 4 arcs now and you can see he is pretty much the pirate's vegapunk and build a yonkou's army and weapons, and others younkous want him. Katakuri looks just like excuse to still give luffy a fight, even if he can't beat the real deal, BM.

And it's not like oda didn't have time to show more about katakuri, if he had time to show bobbin or tamago ever since fishman island.

I mean, I dunno, if you look back to when he's first introduced, from that point onwards you see that he's gradually being shown to be by far the most reliable BM Pirate, making earplugs, attempting to apprehend Luffy, giving the orders to the rest of the crew to hunt down the invaders, him straight up saying he wants Luffy's head, sitting calmly in the Sunny, etc. I guess it didn't for you, but at some point I just realized that he just kind of forced his way into the MVP role on the villain's side. Then you see his powers being similar to Luffy, and his somewhat adorable proclamation that Luffy should leave his family alone, and I'm left with an antagonist that I find to be very memorable. I feel similarly regarding Perospero as well. I came into this arc thinking that only Big Mom would matter, but there's two other antagonists that have also made their mark as the arc progressed.

[Lucky Dragon]

I like seeing Sanji's passion for cooking on display here. If only because this trait has been used to highlight his greater capacity for empathy than the Vinsmokes. Thus, he is destined for greater things than all of them because of that quality. It's nice to see that not going to waste is all. You know, I could actually see Sanji having a happy life there in Totto Land if he did settle down with Pudding. Bipolar mood swings notwithstanding, no relationship is perfect afterall.

I don't really care about Luffy fighting Katakuri. I guess that stems from Katakuri being too "level headed" for my taste. Luffy using a mirror to warn Nami of the danger the ship was in was resourceful though, so that was cool atleast.

That cliffhanger. There ain't no cliffhanger like a Big Mom tsunami homie cliffhanger.

[Sephi]

Holy shit! Another loss for the Strawhats! I love that idea! Last time was so long ago, on Saboady! It lead to the timeskip. Don't want that this time though, let's have some self imprprovement on screen for once, or at least in reap time like Enis Lobby !

Either way, I really like seeing them struggle and risk losing for a change! Part 2 has been too easy for them. Fishman Island was, Punk Hazard was, and hell…even in Deessrosa i felt like only Doflamingo felt like a real threat. So this feels nice!

Katakuri continues to be badass and he beat Luffy, which i like! The Tsunami at the end is great!

Edit: I like Katakuri. He's far more memorable and stand out than anyone else in Big Mom's crew, other than herself. This was needed because with Bobbin defeated so easily, and Pudding being confusing now, the rest of the crew bores me. Katakuri is just what we needed!

[KageKageKing]

@Sephi:

Either way, I really like seeing them struggle and risk losing for a change! Part 2 has been too easy for them. Fishman Island was, Punk Hazard was, and hell…even in Deessrosa i felt like only Doflamingo felt like a real threat. So this feels nice!

Wasn't Punk Hazard the one that had half of the SHs being captured twice?

[K. Kira XXIII]

And at the same time Luffy was reminiscing about Alabasta with Smoker, so I agree WCI is the first island where a real threat has showed up. Mango was cute.

–---> Chapter thoughts:

Cover page was hilarious, all the husbands were beaten up, but most interesting of all was the guy on the right. Could it be...Duval-sama's wink finally worked?!

I have several thoughts about how the wedding cake process could be interrupted. The nearest option being Pound. Stussy could still be around and try to sabotage the cake, as she knows it could mean the end of the Big Mom pirates. Maybe she went to report to the marines and they are launching an assault on WCI as they speak.

From what I remember the cake took several days to be made, and that time has been shortened to three hours. I wonder if this is Sanji's calculation from his using offensive cooking. I appreciate Oda elevating making a cake into some sort of ultimate achievement, but I find it funny nonetheless: "ultimate potential of sweetness".

Is offensive cooking = okama recipes?

I haven't changed my mind about Luffy smacking Katakuri by the end of their fight. I just saw and I think Brooke got shot while Nami and Luffy are talking, he seems to be on fire. The wave was neat, I hope the expression it has changes as it is coming down, to a more aggressive feature.

Ways they can escape: Jimbe does something, Fishman Pirates show up and they help the Sunny surf the wave, Germa shows up.

[Seafarer33]

On Katakuri, while he has indeed been quickly built up as a potent and efficient threat, I do subscribe to the idea that he doesn't carry much weight outside this arc and it lessens his impact as a villain. Here we have a guy who is supposedly in the top twenty of the world's most wanted pirates, yet we never so much as heard of him. In comparison Tamago and Bobbins were given panel time years ahead and so I was disappointed that they played such small parts in the current story - Bobbins especially; Tamago had some decent scenes in the first half, but it's stlll a shame he was discarded when the wedding started.

Also yes, his character is rather… missing. Level-headed is all that comes to mind, and even then there's so much of it that he has the sort of machine-like behaviour I would have come to expect from the emotionless Vinsmokes.

[Dranza]

@Seafarer33:

On Katakuri, while he has indeed been quickly built up as a potent and efficient threat, I do subscribe to the idea that he doesn't carry much weight outside this arc and it lessens his impact as a villain. Here we have a guy who is supposedly in the top twenty of the world's most wanted pirates, yet we never so much as heard of him. In comparison Tamago and Bobbins were given panel time years ahead and so I was disappointed that they played such small parts in the current story - Bobbins especially; Tamago had some decent scenes in the first half, but it's stlll a shame he was discarded when the wedding started.

Also yes, his character is rather… missing. Level-headed is all that comes to mind, and even then there's so much of it that he has the sort of machine-like behaviour I would have come to expect from the emotionless Vinsmokes.

So when the King and Queen calamities get revealed I'm guessing you'll be disappointed by them too since, you know, they're in the top 20 most wanted list but not much has been revealed about them? I like being introduced to new characters and getting to know about them even if it is in their isolated arcs. Enel is very loved but hardly anyone in the OP world know of his existence and he had no impact on the pirating world that we know of…so coming to the point of a level headed bad guy a lot of complaints people have about villains is why they didn't do things the logical way, oh I guess it's plot armour that's needed to dumb the enemy down for Luffy. People even said that about Doflamingo he felt nerfed and fell for silly tricks over and over again like the shambles switch up combo with Law. Also how he failed to use his puppeteering skills to full effect even though that was his most built and hyped up move for years before we arrived at his own arc. Level head bad guys are fresh in One Piece because we rarely get many of them.

[KageKageKing]

It took like 436 chapters of One Piece for we to learn what even a Yonko is.

[Lucky Dragon]

It's all well and good to introduce fresh ideas. But nobody is obligated to like something just because it's different. As far as Katakuri is concerned, I don't feel disappointed by my indifference to him at all. Mostly because I don't consider his fight with Luffy to be of any significance. I like to think of their conflict as a fancy timer that allows the reader to know when the cake will be done. The objectives going into Totto Land was to rescue Sanji and finding Linlin's poneglyph. Since we've already covered that this arc is pretty much done as far as i'm concerned. We've had our appetizers and the main course now we just have to wait for dessert to be served. Literally.

[No swords style best style]

I'm sure if Luffy ever read the newspaper, he (and by extension we) would've definitely known who Katakuri and all the other top dogs in Emperor's crews were. But if he did, then he also would've likely figured out Sabo was alive by chapter 2 (although I don't think Oda had thought of Sabo by then).