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    Chapter 1,047: The Sky Over the Capital

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    • Marcotty
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      I threw out the idea that Momo would come up with the idea to drag or drop the island down to get it out of the way faster.

      But what if Kaido does it? Kaido just heard Luffy yell about getting the island out of the way. A blood knight like Kaido should be concerned Luffy might hold back this big attack if the island is in the way. Why wouldn't he remove it as a factor to make sure he gets to face Luffy's attack full on with no potential distractions?

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        @Marcotty:

        I threw out the idea that Momo would come up with the idea to drag or drop the island down to get it out of the way faster.

        But what if Kaido does it? Kaido just heard Luffy yell about getting the island out of the way. A blood knight like Kaido should be concerned Luffy might hold back this big attack if the island is in the way. Why wouldn't he remove it as a factor to make sure he gets to face Luffy's attack full on with no potential distractions?

        That's a possibility I honestly hadn't even considered.

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          Momo needs to also be a hero though. If Luffy is to defeat Kaido, Momo should save everyone.

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            Kaido no longer one shots luffy is because he got weakened and exhausted

            Although there is no direct indication but the status of the flame clouds stability are enough for me to use as a proof that he got defeated only after he spent a lot of his stamina and energy fighting numerous strong opponents

            Which means in a true 1vs1 duel Kaido is the victor against whomever and this war pretty much proved that.

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              Wait are we on break again!

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                @Shiebs:

                Wait are we on break again!

                It's Golden Week, so all of WSJ is on break.

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                  It's Golden Week, so all of WSJ is on break.

                  Oh lol

                  My bad ,

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                    @Shiebs:

                    Oh lol

                    My bad ,

                    HOWEVER, Scotch said we may get next week's spoilers early.

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                      HOWEVER, Scotch said we may get next week's spoilers early.

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                        @astagadragon:

                        That destroyer of death attack looks hurt but it only resulted in Luffy gaining a cartoon bump on his head. So, minimal damage.

                        The tornado air slices? Luffy's weakness? Only resulted in scratches.

                        Point is, Luffy somehow gaining super endurance on the basis of "cartoon god lololol", shrugging big CoC-coated attacks like mere slaps on arm. Because "cartoon god endurance"!

                        Luffy took a huge name blow head and was not even blocking or using haki in base form and get up like nothing .
                        People need to reread this fight and see how much damage luffy was getting.
                        Man start taking more hit after getting CoC and now taking just as many hits in gear 5 which is another power up .

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                          So everyone is ignoring all the hits the samurai and supernova and Yamato got on Kaidou earlier that he shrugged off? That they were all liabilities that couldn't take any hits? Yamato tanked for a bit but was at his limit.

                          You want to throw the exhausted half dead Strawhats into that blender when Page One and Ultib nearly killed Nami and Usopp who couldn't scratch them, Franky is down a mech, Chopper was useless in doing damage, and Zoro is on his deathbed?

                          When none of them have the good haki? When a conqueror blast will knock out all red shirts?

                          Yeah it's cool to see a defiant stand but the power scale Oda set up would get them all slaughtered without really buying any time.

                          As much as I hate to make a point for Joyboy, the scene where Big Mom was ejected from the Sunny and the one where she was rolled off the Performance Floor both show how the regular Straw Hats can buy time against an Emperor without necessarily needing the ability to deal direct damage.

                          And I do kinda agree that it might have been a better for Oda move to draw out the moment of despair before Luffy revives just a tad longer. Not too long, considering how exhausting this battle has already been, but it I think needed a tiny bit more to fully sink in how doomed they were without Luffy.

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                            Kaido no longer one shots luffy is because he got weakened and exhausted

                            Although there is no direct indication but the status of the flame clouds stability are enough for me to use as a proof that he got defeated only after he spent a lot of his stamina and energy fighting numerous strong opponents

                            Which means in a true 1vs1 duel Kaido is the victor against whomever and this war pretty much proved that.

                            Like last chapter you can see just how tired Kaido getting .
                            Yeah he going to keep going but at this point both luffy and Kiado end of there rope.

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                            As much as I hate to make a point for Joyboy, the scene where Big Mom was ejected from the Sunny and the one where she was rolled off the Performance Floor both show how the regular Straw Hats can buy time against an Emperor without necessarily needing the ability to deal direct damage.

                            And I do kinda agree that it might have been a better for Oda move to draw out the moment of despair before Luffy revives just a tad longer. Not too long, considering how exhausting this battle has already been, but it I think needed a tiny bit more to fully sink in how doomed they were without Luffy.

                            I mean you really can't compare Kaido to BM in that way like Kaido could just stick air in dragon form and bolo them to death.( no tricks work vs Kaido like how it did BM )
                            Hell if not for Marco nami would be dead , I think that one chapter was enough to tell how doomed they were without luffy to tell the truth .
                            You had Kaido tell everyone they going to be salves even there famliy , you look and see how fuck they though they were from the panels ( even law and kid were like fuck lol)
                            Mind you Kaido could have gone after momo and then they would be totally screw over but he wanted to break there sprit so he ask for momo to come .

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                              You can't really have the Strawhats delaying Kaido like they did with Big Mom, because humor hasn't been coded into his character at all, unlike Big Mom.

                              Also I really don't know why ppl talk about Luffy being KO'd for a longer time as being "tension", there is like zero tension involved when you know that none of the Strawhats is going to die or be maimed in any serious way like, people still have theories about Zoro opening up his missing eye or whatever.

                              What you want is for Kaido to win in at least semi-permanent way, and that is honestly not gonna happen because it's a bad idea for so many reasons both practical and dramatic in nature.

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                                @Captain:

                                As much as I hate to make a point for Joyboy, the scene where Big Mom was ejected from the Sunny and the one where she was rolled off the Performance Floor both show how the regular Straw Hats can buy time against an Emperor without necessarily needing the ability to deal direct damage.

                                The thing that basically everyone complained about because it made her into a joke and took away a lot of her credibility? That was also before the fighting proper started and everything was being juggled around.

                                I enjoyed Franky plowing his bike into her face, that was fun, but at this point in the fight for Kaidou to not just use go dragon form and use that wind slicer attack from the air and murder everyone or sever limbs like he did against the scabbards would just be really asinine. Luffy tanking everything he has is bad enough. Kinemon getting killed and then getting back up because he happened to never be re-assembled properly was funny enough to get away with it, but really weak sauce overall given it was his second revive.

                                Zoro was crippled and broke all his bones after enduring a few minutes around Kaidou and hitting him with his strongest move.

                                Yeah, it'd be a cool moment for the crew to stand up against him and try to hold him off. But Kaidou, even with the drunk mode and Luffy rubberizing him a couple chapters ago, hasn't been treated thus far as a silly villain you can get away with gags around unless you're Luffy. DOing a gag stall at this point would just wreck any drama, and doing a serious standoff would by all rights wreck the crew with serious permanent damage. At this point, even tired out, he should absolutely be clobbering and one shotting all of them, considering he initially knocked out Luffy in a single blow.

                                I'm all for the nonsense standoff emotional moment, but Oda's already killed the tension over and over again and kept everyone alive and moving when they shouldn't be. It hits a breaking point… and we need the crew able to walk so they can do whatever this final action requires of them. They had their moments to show their resolution and faith in Luffy multiple times along the way, especially Nami, they declared those things... and thats all they'd be able to do against Kaidou. Or what, they declare "I'll hold him off!" then brace to take a deadly hit, only for Luffy to intervene and cut it short? The same way it already worked out for Nami against Ulti with Big Mom doing all the work? They can't do much meaningful at this point, so better that they stay conscious to do other things.

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                                  @Robby:

                                  The thing that basically everyone complained about because it made her into a joke and took away a lot of her credibility? That was also before the fighting proper started and everything was being juggled around.

                                  I enjoyed Franky plowing his bike into her face, that was fun, but at this point in the fight for Kaidou to not just use go dragon form and use that wind slicer attack from the air and murder everyone or sever limbs like he did against the scabbards would just be really asinine. Luffy tanking everything he has is bad enough. Kinemon getting killed and then getting back up because he happened to never be re-assembled properly was funny enough to get away with it, but really weak sauce overall given it was his second revive.

                                  Zoro was crippled and broke all his bones after enduring a few minutes around Kaidou and hitting him with his strongest move.

                                  Yeah, it'd be a cool moment for the crew to stand up against him and try to hold him off. But Kaidou, even with the drunk mode and Luffy rubberizing him a couple chapters ago, hasn't been treated thus far as a silly villain you can get away with gags around unless you're Luffy. DOing a gag stall at this point would just wreck any drama, and doing a serious standoff would by all rights wreck the crew with serious permanent damage. At this point, even tired out, he should absolutely be clobbering and one shotting all of them, considering he initially knocked out Luffy in a single blow.

                                  I'm all for the nonsense standoff emotional moment, but Oda's already killed the tension over and over again and kept everyone alive and moving when they shouldn't be. It hits a breaking point… and we need the crew able to walk so they can do whatever this final action requires of them. They had their moments to show their resolution and faith in Luffy multiple times along the way, especially Nami, they declared those things... and thats all they'd be able to do against Kaidou. Or what, they declare "I'll hold him off!" then brace to take a deadly hit, only for Luffy to intervene and cut it short? The same way it already worked out for Nami against Ulti with Big Mom doing all the work? They can't do much meaningful at this point, so better that they stay conscious to do other things.

                                  "Everyone" in that case was a lot of the same everyones complaining about recent developments, and likely to take issue with whatever happens next as well. I liked seeing the crew using combination attacks against a far stronger opponent.

                                  Obviously a Kaido version in such a critical moment couldn't be as comedic, but the principals of how it was done could still be used. Maybe the Oars fight would be a better comparison as a serious version. One person draws his attention while another sucker-punches, both flee. Keep shifting and focus. Have grapples and projectiles hitting his arm or club mid-swing to deflect a killing blow. A group effort to push him back while others prepare to demolish one of the Performance Floor buildings so it comes down on his head. And it wouldn't have to be particularly a long sequence, in my mind. Just enough that Luffy's official declaration of defeat and the first moment of his revival aren't in the same chapter.

                                  But that's just my gut feeling, I haven't like tried to storyboard an alternate version for proof of concept or anything, I just thought it seemed like a cool alternative to what we got.

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                                    If it was at the start of the arc, I'd 100% agree that would be a cool scene. But after seeing how the crew handled the generals, and how much some of them got completely wrecked?

                                    I'm not a powerlevel wanker by any means but having them against Kaidou when that already nearly killed Zoro would just be… weird.

                                    Oda's already had to balance Gear 5 not breaking the threat level , having Kaidou be distracrted or temporarily putt off by things his underlings completely shrugged off would ring false.

                                    If Nammi and Usopp had a credible win? If Franky's robot was still intact? If Zoro hadn't already taken one miracle revive? Sure maybe but it wouldn't feel right.

                                    Not liek the crew stood up to a near dead Lucchi back in the day. Usopp managed a distracting taunt... that did nothing to actually stall Lucchi, it just made Usopp a target that would have died a minute later if Luffy hadn't gotten back up.

                                    So yeah, maybe a noble dedicated speech works... and we got that. An actual show of force? Not so much.

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                                      @Robby:

                                      If it was at the start of the arc, I'd 100% agree that would be a cool scene. But after seeing how the crew handled the generals, and how much some of them got completely wrecked?

                                      I'm not a powerlevel wanker by any means but having them against Kaidou when that already nearly killed Zoro would just be… weird.

                                      Oda's already had to balance Gear 5 not breaking the threat level , having Kaidou be distracrted or temporarily putt off by things his underlings completely shrugged off would ring false.

                                      If Nammi and Usopp had a credible win? If Franky's robot was still intact? If Zoro hadn't already taken one miracle revive? Sure maybe but it wouldn't feel right.

                                      Not liek the crew stood up to a near dead Lucchi back in the day. Usopp managed a distracting taunt... that did nothing to actually stall Lucchi, it just made Usopp a target that would have died a minute later if Luffy hadn't gotten back up.

                                      So yeah, maybe a noble dedicated speech works... and we got that. An actual show of force? Not so much.

                                      That's fair, I do see your side of it. And I'm definitely not compensating for how scattered the crew is at this point - I think only Nami and Chopper are actually on the Performance floor - and how long it might take them to reach the battle in my what if.

                                      One nitpick - aside from the motorbike trick, I don't think we've seen Franky do any onscreen fighting at all outside his mech since the raid began. He's a bit scuffed up despite this, but that can really only be from fodder hits. It doesn't seem like he's any kind of a slouch without the robot, so we do have one crew member who's at close to full health, if a little low on cola and ammo.

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                                        @Captain:

                                        so we do have one crew member who's at close to full health, if a little low on cola and ammo.

                                        Sure, Franky's at full health… but not at full offensive power or full defense. He can certainly take a hit better than Nami or Robin... but could he tank multiple Kaidou hits? When before the haki upgrades Luffy couldn't take one?

                                        And again, if a sub general ripped through his tougher defenses then Kaidou absolutely would wreck his weaker ones..

                                        Even back in the day when he tried to fight Lucchi , he was completely outsped and had his defenses blown through instantly, and so Luffy told him to run on and that he'd handle it. Yeah there's been a timeskip power upgrade since then, but Luffy's also increased a ridiculous amount.

                                        Its just been the rule since the start of the series (and all shonens really) that the captains are leagues beyond everyone else and would fodderize anyone less. Basically the only exception was cake island where Luffy was only up to par with fighting the #2 guy, not ready for Big Mom yet.

                                        It's the old enies lobby thing. Everyone does what they can with their unique skills to help. Fighting Kaidou in any way is not the job of anyone else on the crew. Not uinnofficial co-lead Law, nor newcomer Yamato who has shown being able to take it for a little while, he was hitting his limit in terms of tanking damage and not really delivering any.

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                                          @Robby:

                                          Sure, Franky's at full health… but not at full offensive power or full defense. He can certainly take a hit better than Nami or Robin... but could he tank multiple Kaidou hits? When before the haki upgrades Luffy couldn't take one?

                                          And again, if a sub general ripped through his tougher defenses then Kaidou absolutely would wreck his weaker ones..

                                          Even back in the day when he tried to fight Lucchi , he was completely outsped and had his defenses blown through instantly, and so Luffy told him to run on and that he'd handle it. Yeah there's been a timeskip power upgrade since then, but Luffy's also increased a ridiculous amount.

                                          Its just been the rule since the start of the series (and all shonens really) that the captains are leagues beyond everyone else and would fodderize anyone less. Basically the only exception was cake island where Luffy was only up to par with fighting the #2 guy, not ready for Big Mom yet.

                                          It's the old enies lobby thing. Everyone does what they can with their unique skills to help. Fighting Kaidou in any way is not the job of anyone else on the crew. Not uinnofficial co-lead Law, nor newcomer Yamato who has shown being able to take it for a little while, he was hitting his limit in terms of tanking damage and not really delivering any.

                                          That's fair, and to be clear, I'm agreeing that most of the crew aren't ready to stand up to Kaido's attacks. I was envisioning much more of a hit and run, dodge at all costs kind of setup. But the bottom line is we won't really know how it would go unless it actually happens, and since Oda's going another direction, we'll never know for sure.

                                          I do like that last bit, the "Fighting Kaidou in any way is not the job of anyone else on the crew" line. That's not even an old Enies Lobby thing, that's a goddamn explicitly spelled out Arlong Park thing, no matter how fanservicy it would be having the rest of the crew trying it.

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                                            I'd friggin loved to have an Last Ditch Straw Hat Crew effort to stall Kaidou for time, any time, until Luffy could recover, because they trust him to recover that much. It could double as a showcase for their determination and skills and build up the tension - Usopp does a cool thing to inconvenience Kaidou, Kaidou breaks free and whacks Usopp aside, rinse and repeat - the crew gets to go all out, Kaidou gets to look fearsome. Like theres been a long conga line of people who've dealt blows to Kaidou at this point, some of thos might as well have come from the straw hats, and if Momo can bite Kaidou and make him yelp we could have gotten Monster Chopper holding onto Kaidous tail for 5 seconds or something like that. As seen with Enel, Moriah/Oars, Kuma or even Arlong its not like the crew won't fight a big bad if Luffy is indisposed.

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                                              Am I the only one who doesn't think the next episode can't be the finale?

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                                                I could see 1-2 chapters to deal with Orochi and the floating island, then 1 chapter for the final Kaidou clash - an "removing Enels Giant Ball of doom –> beating Enel" style 1-2 punch. Possibly with 1 more chapter after that to "catch" the falling island for good, like how Noah was caught after Hody was beaten.

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                                                  @andy:

                                                  Like last chapter you can see just how tired Kaido getting .
                                                  Yeah he going to keep going but at this point both luffy and Kiado end of there rope.

                                                  Yeah sure they're at the end of their rope so it doesn't matter

                                                  Except only one of them received full medication, proper rest and a month's worth of food to restore energy and power in between rounds

                                                  While the other fought four CoC users in a single night with no break til this day

                                                  Totally fair and will legitimatize Luffy as the strongest moving forward.

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                                                    I'd say there will be one chapter for Momonosuke's feat, then another for Kaido's (seemly) defeat. Beyond that, I don't know. Kaido may still get up and do a final effort before his ultimate defeat, but I really don't know how that would go.

                                                    It's interesting that Volume 104 may end in chapter 1,056. Oda could be reserving that volume-ending "Go-mu" chapter for something.

                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                      Yeah sure they're at the end of their rope so it doesn't matter

                                                      Except only one of them received full medication, proper rest and a month's worth of food to restore energy and power in between rounds

                                                      While the other fought four CoC users in a single night with no break til this day

                                                      Totally fair and will legitimatize Luffy as the strongest moving forward.

                                                      oh for goodness sake, Kaido was clearly stronger than the four combined at the start of the fight and not to mention that big mom was at his side. Four CoC users?. There were only 3 and were CoC useless because that’s what it was vs Kaido and big mom till Luffy got upgraded to CoC coating, so in reality Kaido has only fought only one CoC user.

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                                                        Man the more I think about it the more I'm feeling that Kaido cannot be solo'd. It would need to take a group effort to best him. I will admit this feeling is partially influenced by the latest anime episode, seeing how Kaido is presented and knowing everything that's going to come ahead wrt Luffy vs Kaido.

                                                        My opinion right now is this punch will not end Kaido. This move will open his old scar. Luffy alone shouldn't be able to fully beat Kaido. Possible group effort to "humble" Kaido…yeah imma stop thinking. I don't know wtf is gunna happen.

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                                                          Man the more I think about it the more I'm feeling that Kaido cannot be solo'd. It would need to take a group effort to best him. I will admit this feeling is partially influenced by the latest anime episode, seeing how Kaido is presented and knowing everything that's going to come ahead wrt Luffy vs Kaido.

                                                          My opinion right now is this punch will not end Kaido. This move will open his old scar. Luffy alone shouldn't be able to fully beat Kaido. Possible group effort to "humble" Kaido…yeah imma stop thinking. I don't know wtf is gunna happen.

                                                          People talk like it hasn't already been a group effort. Nine Scabbards, five Supernovas, Yamato and (very briefly) Momonosuke have all had a go at him tonight. He's been fighting different individuals and groups nonstop for more than sixty chapters now. Personally, I'm satisfied with the Kaido's toughness relative to his reputation and am ready to see the fight wrap up.

                                                          It may be too soon to speak for Gear Five, but even with every powerup he had prior to that it seems clear Luffy would never have made it through Kaido's titanic HP pool if he'd come to Onigashima alone.

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                                                            That's fair, and to be clear, I'm agreeing that most of the crew aren't ready to stand up to Kaido's attacks. I was envisioning much more of a hit and run, dodge at all costs kind of setup. But the bottom line is we won't really know how it would go unless it actually happens, and since Oda's going another direction, we'll never know for sure.

                                                            I do like that last bit, the "Fighting Kaidou in any way is not the job of anyone else on the crew" line. That's not even an old Enies Lobby thing, that's a goddamn explicitly spelled out Arlong Park thing, no matter how fanservicy it would be having the rest of the crew trying it.

                                                            Them steppigng in to stall when everyone is suggestign such a moment wouldn't have worked because by all rights they would then be dead.

                                                            HOWEVER, if Kaidou takes the giant island sized hit he looks to be about to take, and he gets hobbled a bit after but is still standing, but then Luffy drops half dead from gear 5… at that point I can absolutely see such a scene.

                                                            Though I'm mostly expecting that sort of scene to instead go to Momo/Hiyori/Yamato so we can finish the Momotaro bit and all the (sort of) children of Oden in one spot. I'm really expecting Momo to get the final hit in, especially given he's all growed up and looking like Oden now.

                                                            So there's absolutely a time and place I can see such a scene happening, and I agree it would be cool... Just... not at the moment folks are suggesting it should have been.

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                                                              I could see 1-2 chapters to deal with Orochi and the floating island, then 1 chapter for the final Kaidou clash - an "removing Enels Giant Ball of doom –> beating Enel" style 1-2 punch. Possibly with 1 more chapter after that to "catch" the falling island for good, like how Noah was caught after Hody was beaten.

                                                              Wouldn't that imply Zunisha is going to save Wano?

                                                              It would be good to find another use for it, beyond swatting Jack.

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                                                                If it was at the start of the arc, I'd 100% agree that would be a cool scene. But after seeing how the crew handled the generals, and how much some of them got completely wrecked?

                                                                I'm not a powerlevel wanker by any means but having them against Kaidou when that already nearly killed Zoro would just be… weird.

                                                                Oda's already had to balance Gear 5 not breaking the threat level , having Kaidou be distracrted or temporarily putt off by things his underlings completely shrugged off would ring false.

                                                                If Nammi and Usopp had a credible win? If Franky's robot was still intact? If Zoro hadn't already taken one miracle revive? Sure maybe but it wouldn't feel right.

                                                                Not liek the crew stood up to a near dead Lucchi back in the day. Usopp managed a distracting taunt... that did nothing to actually stall Lucchi, it just made Usopp a target that would have died a minute later if Luffy hadn't gotten back up.

                                                                So yeah, maybe a noble dedicated speech works... and we got that. An actual show of force? Not so much.

                                                                I will never dislike how Ussop was weak to fodder. FODDER. Nameless Mook No.1 and 2. nearly killed him. The WG should reduce his bounty to free McDonald's.

                                                                His track record:

                                                                Losing to Ulti. Say what you will about Nami, at least she collected her W and kept it pushing. No such thing as fair fights in a pirate battle and before anyone says Zeus had the work, Nami already had remote controled lightning/auto targeted ligthning since Punk Hazard AND showed she could hit Ulti already, this is a natural powerup.

                                                                Nearly dying to PageOne

                                                                Overwhelmed by Fodder. Again, say what you will about Nami, but at least you know this isn't happening to her.

                                                                Defeating Kaidou's secretary.

                                                                Forget Van Auger, maybe the BlackBear Pirates have a maid for Ussop to do battle with.

                                                                #Vergoshotfirst #Doflaisapunk

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                                                                  Considering the only guy Kaidou has fought who's stayed down is CP0 Guy, I think the powerlevel equations are flexible enough that the Straw Hats could've been batted around a bit without instantly dying.

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                                                                  Wouldn't that imply Zunisha is going to save Wano?

                                                                  It would be good to find another use for it, beyond swatting Jack.

                                                                  Wouldn't the elephant then have to straddle the Wano waterfall? It might be able to, but its legs could also be too short.

                                                                  Regardless, it has already contributed- it arrived just in time to provide Joy Boy lore development!

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                                                                    Forget Van Auger, maybe the BlackBear Pirates have a maid for Ussop to do battle with.

                                                                    Well I'm sure he'd do better if he was matched against his own class. Not sure why Oda keeps pushing both him and Nami to close quarters when they both excel at ranged attacks. Against Van Auger we can at least expect some sharp shooting and hiding behind covers. Where Usopp can actually use his arsenal and freshly developing Observation.

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                                                                    It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                                      Well I'm sure he'd do better if he was matched against his own class. Not sure why Oda keeps pushing both him and Nami to close quarters when they both excel at ranged attacks. Against Van Auger we can at least expect some sharp shooting and hiding behind covers. Where Usopp can actually use his arsenal and freshly developing Observation.

                                                                      Well, it's not just that. The best sniper in the world might be able to curve his bullets around the moon and shoot through the sun, it is all useless if his target is superman.

                                                                      Ussop had no issue hitting PageOne. None hitting Ulti. None hitting the fodder. They all shrugged off his attacks.

                                                                      The worst part is Ussop was uniquely positioned to defeat PageOne with impact dials which are literally made for this…but still

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                                                                        Wouldn't the elephant then have to straddle the Wano waterfall? It might be able to, but its legs could also be too short.

                                                                        I figure if it's over 20km tall and able to hear Joyboy's beat, then I'd assume its (close enough) possible.

                                                                        On that note: I like the idea of Momonosuke being Uranus, if Shirohoshi is Neptune. This way we literally have a repeat of Fishman island, with a giant beast saving the land from a falling castle/ship. I mean….exposition is great and all, but it's a little bit underwhelming if a walking islands main contribution is 'story time'.

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                                                                          I'd like for Luffy's punch (maybe not this one) to temporarily knock out Kaidou where he is falling off the island and Zuniesha swats him out mid air for that 1-2 knock out on Momo's command

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                                                                            Zuneisha's trunk swat wasn't able to finish off Jack, so it wouldn't seem impressive now.

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                                                                              Zuneisha's trunk swat wasn't able to finish off Jack, so it wouldn't seem impressive now.

                                                                              maybe not to finish Kaidou off but enough to swat Kaidou away and then Kaidou flies back in dragon form and gives Luffy extra time to regain haki or whatever. or maybe Kaidou will grab the trunk and swings him around and we finally get to see Zuneisha's legs haha

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                                                                                we finally get to see Zuneisha's legs haha

                                                                                Are you expecting suspenders or something?

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                                                                                  Are you expecting suspenders or something?

                                                                                  Expecting him to wear limited edition sneakers with JB written on em

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                                                                                    Zuneisha's trunk swat wasn't able to finish off Jack, so it wouldn't seem impressive now.

                                                                                    If he wasn't a Fishman, he'd be dead. Like how Ginrummy and Sheepshead haven't been seen since.

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                                                                                      People talk like it hasn't already been a group effort. Nine Scabbards, five Supernovas, Yamato and (very briefly) Momonosuke have all had a go at him tonight. He's been fighting different individuals and groups nonstop for more than sixty chapters now. Personally, I'm satisfied with the Kaido's toughness relative to his reputation

                                                                                      I feel the same way except there is dissatisfaction on my side regarding the awakening of Kaido is nowhere to be found

                                                                                      And Kaido is not all i care about, I'm quite upset that foes on Katakuri's level were thrown out like trash bags just because they didn't fight Luffy

                                                                                      This will forever damage the quality of this war.

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                                                                                        If he wasn't a Fishman, he'd be dead. Like how Ginrummy and Sheepshead haven't been seen since.

                                                                                        Only because he fell into ocean as a devil fruit user. We don't know if he was knocked out for a while or not, but he seemed fine not too long afterward.

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                                                                                          @Johnny:

                                                                                          If he wasn't a Fishman, he'd be dead. Like how Ginrummy and Sheepshead haven't been seen since.

                                                                                          Wow how did I not put that together, I was literally just thinking how strange it was that they haven't appeared in Wano

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                                                                                            Interesting, no early spoilers, so I guess next week back on schedule

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                                                                                              Interesting, no early spoilers, so I guess next week back on schedule

                                                                                              I guess the spoiler providers were having too much fun with Golden Week activities.

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                                                                                                I guess the spoiler providers were having too much fun with Golden Week activities.

                                                                                                More likely they just haven't gotten a hold of the magazine or the digital raw yet.

                                                                                                Or right now they just don't want the heat that comes with putting out spoilers too early.

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                                                                                                  Imagine this entire chapter is about Orochi.

                                                                                                  Oh god…. 😛

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                                                                                                    Spoilers in holiday weeks like this usually come late in the first week, no?

                                                                                                    They will probably start appearing tomorrow or saturday.

                                                                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                                      I can't waitttttttt

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                                                                                                        Do you guys think that after this arc Kidd and Law will be considered Emporor's?

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