Anyone that likes One Piece needs to be watching this show.
You got me convinced with this line! I already added it to my queue on Crunchyroll and eventually I watch it! Always could use good anime to watch! Thanks! :happy:
Anyone that likes One Piece needs to be watching this show.
You got me convinced with this line! I already added it to my queue on Crunchyroll and eventually I watch it! Always could use good anime to watch! Thanks! :happy:
Personally I love queen Hilling character. Recent episode 14 shows how awesome she is
Kaze and Bojji relation is also very special. The scene when they reunite on the cliff to the death kingdom is one of the most touching.
I also personnally like the manga art style. It is very oldfashioned a bit Tezuka style. No need of very well drawn background only what is needed to convey the author feelings
Speaking of One Piece, Domas made me think of Kaidou in a recent episode
! when he tried to suicide but couldn't die :-)
Man, I'm glad the forum is back, and to see more love for this series.
Yes, this show is amazing. Easily my favorite anime right now. I'm just hoping the season won't end on a bad cliffhanger, since the anime has almost reached the manga afaik and it will probably be a while until we get another season …
ok the extremely graphic content of this episodes clashing with the cutesy design of Bojji made me feeling in double for him. my poor boy, trapped in a behelit-casted hell
Just watch episode 16 and i didn't realize
! who was Desha brother we can see in the flashback. I had a look in a wiki and yes, he says the same sentence than in episode 14. i suppose it will be more clear in next episode.
! It was a really touching episode. About the difficult choices a ruler has to make during war (even if it was a bit too extreme), the difficulties to forgive.
! The flashback of Miranjo was strange. Where was Bosse at that time ?
Episode 17
! Man, they really threw some animation budget into that fight. A soon as they said several episodes back that he was the worst possible opponent for Bojji, it was obvious they'd have to fight.
! And Bojji is still fighting him anyway. To defend the asshole king guy who JUST tried to mess with him.
! I want next week's episode NOW.
Bojji is just the freaking best.
Yes, this show is amazing. Easily my favorite anime right now. I'm just hoping the season won't end on a bad cliffhanger, since the anime has almost reached the manga afaik and it will probably be a while until we get another season …
They'll probably do an anime original ending. Or just stop at organic stopping point rather than going into the next plot points. 23 episodes is such a weird episode count it seems they have to have a really deliberate stopping point.
This series is so great. Easily my favorite anime of the past year and the current year so far. I can rewatch an episode for a good number of times just because of how much I enjoy and love the story.
After reading the manga until the Despa training I really appreciate how in the anime sometimes they change the order of some scenes or add lilttle extra scenes that go so well with the original material that one doesn´t notice it at all.
Episode 18.
No spoilers, I don't even know what I would talk about given the worldbuilding and the action scene continuing from the previous week.
…Bojji is just the freaking best.
I really liked the episode, but that country of traitors being so fully evil seemed weird, at least in the context of the series were almost everyone is never fully evil or fully good. Maybe we will get more insight on that later, but aside from that the episode was excellent.
I finally started watching the anime and I have to say that I'm a bit iffy on it. On the one hand can see why people like it in terms of production value. Especially if you are an anime only watcher. On the other hand however as a manga reader I do feel that so far (I've just watched until they meet Prince Despa) the anime isn't doing the nuanced characters justice since it's "speedrunning" through the events.
Just today I read and watched the same scene in both versions and it's different. In episode 6 in the anime Daida has a flashback where that starts him watching the queen hugging Bojji, when both were younger. But in chapter 41 in the manga the same scene starts with the queen actually stroking Daida's head first only to go over to Bojji scolding him. And only after Bojji starts getting sad the queen starts hugging him. Some might say that's not that big of an issue but I do think that it actually paints a different picture in Daida's character. In the anime it seems like he is ignored by the queen in favor of Bojji, which can create a stronger understanding for jealousy. But in the manga it's far more nuanced and makes clear that Daida was loved just as much back then.
Another scene that was in episode 4 with the poison knives. In the anime Doumas said "Bebin these are your knives" but in the manga he adds "I'm on your side". It might be just a throwaway line to some but it adds a little more nuance to both Doumas and Bebin. Until then Bebin still seemed like more of a bad guy so when Doumas says this it makes you wonder wether Doumas is just trying to appeal to Bebin's good side or if he actually thinks that Bebin is having ill intentions towards Bojji and thus is thus sharing a same goal.
There were more than these two moments that unfortunally I don't remember now from the top of my head. But I do seem to remember that I felt that the manga took a lot more time to paint the characters in a certain light only to slowly revail that they are not as one dimensional as the seem at first. The queen and Bebin especially had a more time to "cook" as bad guys until it became clear that there is more to them. When I started the anime I thought, that I just must have read it wrong (or I was just too slow) and that the pacing is fine but especially with the example in my second paragraph above it's clear that the anime is speeding through the events. Don't get me wrong, it is entertaining but I find that the nuanced characters are one of the strongest points of the source material so it's kinda weird to see it go. It kinda reminds me of FMA Brotherhood, where Maes Hughes' death just didn't hit home as much as in the first anime because the pace in early Brotherhood never allowed him to be an actual character.
Basically what I'm trying to say with all this. If you're an anime only watcher, there's no need to stop watching. The anime is good. But please give the manga a chance. It's an easy read and there's more to the characters there than in the anime.
There will be a weekly batch release of the scanlation team apparently, so it should be less irregular
There will be a weekly batch release of the scanlation team apparently, so it should be less irregular
Makes sense. The last few chapters were quite a batch at once. Definitely a recommended readthrough.
Eventually every character is given nuance and backstory in the anime, only at the beginning are we led to believe some characters are one dimensionally evil. My issues are with some of the latest pacing:
! It becomes apparent that nobody dies outside of flashbacks, but we still have to watch that long sequence of characters fighting and "dying", the queen healing them, repeat, plus everyone forgiving everyone and becoming friends.
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! It becomes apparent that nobody dies outside of flashbacks, but we still have to watch that long sequence of characters fighting and "dying", the queen healing them, repeat, plus everyone forgiving everyone and becoming friends.
! one episode is dedicated to Bojji not being able to forgive Domas
Read through the first 30 chapters of the manga just for a comparison, and to see exactly how the anime is pacing.
I dunno. It's exactly the same story but it's just… not as good? The art just isn't there.
Normally I can go all in on a manga version and get the same experience as I do in an anime. The color, sound, music and motion always helps but its not needed when the source is doing its job well... but the anime version is just doing SO much heavy lifting in making it look and feel professional instead of just a webcomic.
Its kind of One Punch man-ish. Yeah sure the original version gets the gags, but it was the redrawn version that got all the attention, and rightly so.
I've fallen in love with the show and want to share it however I can but it's just... arrgh.
I did notice that the aniem is basically doing 4 chapters per episode though, that certainly explains the hyper brisk pacing.
That's interesting as for me it's the exact opposite. The things that grabbed me in the manga when I started the series didn't grab me as much in the anime. I'm basically watching it because it well produced and people are saying that it get's really good. But in terms of the characters actually grabbing me the manga did all the heavy lifting.
That might change now that I've reached the part where the anime cought up with the scans.
Maybe its just because I've already been through that part of the anime twice now that I'm already more biased towards some of the minor pacing and storytelling changes they made. Like giving Kage's backstory imediately in the second episode makes a difference compared to giving it in like, chapter 12. Revealing the truth about the King's power super early instead of near the middle just changes a few things. It's subtle but they all feel like deliberate will considered pacing changes… particularly with the king's power because NOT knowing that affects quite a few things.
Its weird because other than that it IS the exact same story. Everything is there, nothing is changed. There's even a tiny bit more details, as you noted. It's just... different.
I've never had this big a disconnect between manga and anime versions before, like I said usually I'm 100% fine with the manga.
I think its just the art, which was already hard to adjust to in the anime, is SO unpolished and amateur in the manga... and things like character anatomy being wonky or weird perspective or really bad backgrounds just get in the way. It's never a problem for me but I guess there's a threshhold.
Love this anime. Not much more I can say about it. I'm so glad I gave it a try, the production clearly fell off a bit a few episodes ago but these two last episodes more than made up for it.
I don't mind the art. It reminds me of old authors by it simplicity. And since we are about a comparison with One Piece, I enjoy a manga which is not surrounded by heavy backgrounds with clear panels that do not need to be reread twice or zoomed on to understand what happens.
Maybe its just because I've already been through that part of the anime twice now that I'm already more biased towards some of the minor pacing and storytelling changes they made. Like giving Kage's backstory imediately in the second episode makes a difference compared to giving it in like, chapter 12. Revealing the truth about the King's power super early instead of near the middle just changes a few things. It's subtle but they all feel like deliberate will considered pacing changes… particularly with the king's power because NOT knowing that affects quite a few things.
That's pretty much what I meant. I'm not saying that the anime is bad by any means. It's just that compared to how I've experienced the story first, things were given a bit more time to unfold until a reveal. Whereas the anime hits you in the face right away with some story beads. I know it might not seem like much to many of you but to me the reveal that the queen and Bebin are actually good guys really meant something.
Its weird because other than that it IS the exact same story. Everything is there, nothing is changed. There's even a tiny bit more details, as you noted. It's just… different.
I've never had this big a disconnect between manga and anime versions before, like I said usually I'm 100% fine with the manga.
I think its just the art, which was already hard to adjust to in the anime, is SO unpolished and amateur in the manga... and things like character anatomy being wonky or weird perspective or really bad backgrounds just get in the way. It's never a problem for me but I guess there's a threshhold.
While I do think that one should not judge a book by it's cover I have to admit that I totally can relate to being put off by artwork. Luckily I'm not experiencing this with Ousama Ranking but if we accept to believe that an audience can be drawn in just by the appreciation of visual artwork, then the opposite has to be just as valid. So if you can't stomach it, you can't stomach it. That's just how it goes sometimes.
I am not happy to post this since this series really made my week better everytime it aired, but it seems the whole thing about the country full of evil people may be worse than just bad writing: https://vampireheadass.tumblr.com/post/676635682494627840/in-episode-18-of-ousama-rankingranking-of-kings
Personally I don´t think I will keep watching it or reading it, but everyone can draw their own conclusions. Again, sorry to post this, but I thought it is something people would want to know better sooner than later. It really sucks though.
omg, it does sounds believable
I am not happy to post this since this series really made my week better everytime it aired, but it seems the whole thing about the country full of evil people may be worse than just bad writing: https://vampireheadass.tumblr.com/post/676635682494627840/in-episode-18-of-ousama-rankingranking-of-kings
Personally I don´t think I will keep watching it or reading it, but everyone can draw their own conclusions. Again, sorry to post this, but I thought it is something people would want to know better sooner than later. It really sucks though.
Hey, what the fuck. This sucks!
General consensus is that viewer is seeing what they want to see and getting offended because they want to be.
I can sort of see it but it seems a bit of a stretch, given that we have literal sharp teethed god monster villains running around.
But maybe it comes across very different in asian countries. Cultural bias and personal history are a thing. What's offensive or distasteful in one place can be easily missed in another.
Anyway, latest episode was good, it's becoming pretty clear how the whole thing is going to wrap up at this point.
! Are they really going to spend like the entire last third of the series on one fight? With a guy that can't even talk and just makes evil laughs?
! That was cool and menacing at the start but Bojji started fighting this guy three episodes ago, the guards and Des fought him before that, and it looks like the big 4 will be fighting him for another episode… and obviously Bojji has to finish it...
! I'm down for some Dragonball length mega fights, but not so much when the whole show is only going to be like 23 episodes.
! And for cripes sake, we FINALLY ran the Queen out of mana so she couldn't dues ex heal people anymore and then they bring in ANOTHER healer? Come on! Let at least someone die by the end of this. This series is really wearing its One Piece on its sleeve at this point.
I don't mind the fight being streched. Is it really that long ? Especially since we have the 4 lieutenants going together.
which is quite cool. Each with his own fighting style and personnality.
Also Ouden has a flashback of his brother teaching him. Does it mean his personality is not completely lost ?
Seeing how most of the bad guys get redeemed or are on the verge of being redeemed, it's pretty likely Ouken will also be redeemed somehow.
Episode 20
Bojji is just the best.
! Okay, so we're NOT going to be fighting that guy anymore. Wow that was brutal. Now onto something somehow even MORE serious!
! My complaint from last week of "we finally tapped the Queen out of healing cheats and then introduced a NEW character that can do it?" still apply. THough at least this time I had a bit of an "oh shit!" moment because OF COURSE that character can do it. This one feels like far far less of a cheat.
! Though I'm a little confused. if the king is going to be smashing and killing them all, why did he save them first? Is it because his souped up powers are still tied to being stolen from Bojji? Would he have just let everyone be under him i Bojji didn't turn around and challenge him? Don't quite get it.
! Is it just that Miranjo and Bosse have different goals and plans?
Seeing how most of the bad guys get redeemed or are on the verge of being redeemed, it's pretty likely Ouken will also be redeemed somehow.
! Ouken didn't consent to immortality and seemingly lost his sentience in the process so he doesn't really need redeeming. He's a victim in this.
! Ouken didn't consent to immortality and seemingly lost his sentience in the process so he doesn't really need redeeming. He's a victim in this.
Doesn't really make a difference IMO. Turning bad guys good seems to be the authors MO. If anything, Ouken being a victim who didn't even chose this, would actually deserve to be saved from his curse.
Episode 21
! Hot damn that fight scene between Bojji and the king! Dodging the giant attacks while it came down on the buildings, running on walls, shifting camera and super fluid animations, that was a hell of a fight. I need to watch it again.
! Its also insane after how much they struggled against Ouken, but Bojji just completely wrecked the king without issue.
! Can definitely see things speeding towards an ending, and it seems like it'll have a decent stopping point probably. I know the manga is still going, but I don't know what else I'd want from it after this.
! We still haven't see Bojji use that skill that was teased during his training though. I don't think at least?
Also, Bojji is still the freaking best.
Oh, so I started watching the anime (binging would be more accurate though) after seeing Robby's signature pic and reading the intro of this thread - thanks for promoting it. Gotta say I am absolutely hooked ; currently at episode 16 and trying not to get spoiled. I love that most characters aren't who they seem to be at first. Also bonus points for queen Hiling - at last a shonen mom who isn't long dead or a background prop ! The story is both sweet and terrifying, which is nice as well. Also for some reason the universe and designs remind me of Castle Crashers. Must be the hell knights
I really don't know how to put it into words, but somehow I just got this feeling that something is off with the most recent episode 21. Is that really how the plot progresses in the manga? Most likely it's just me but I really can't shake this feeling off of me.
Ivotas, if what you mean is that the anime suddenly entered a really fast pacing and that some events fill like they are pilling on top of the other without room for breathing I feel just like you. I did not had the feeling that the invasion and Bojji's going back to his kingdom meant he was taking it back. So I was a bit dizzy with it all, but was settling for Ougen being the mid-boss and Miranjo suffering a loss that would take us to her backstory…after the last episode, seems like they are giving it an original ending and ending things in one season.
Almost caught up, I'm at 20.
! One thing that bothers me in the anime (no idea how it goes in the manga either) is that we're missing the actual ranking of kings. It plays a small part until that time when Daida is evaluated after Bosse dies, but then aside from hearing once that Desha is #2 or 3 (was Bosse #1 ? I think he is #4, but I'm not sure), it completely vanishes from the story. Which doesn't make it any less entertaining, mind, but I would have expected a little more about it. Maybe now we've had the backstory with war of the gods and such the story will get back to it.
! This arc lasted too long for everything to go back to the status quo (other than Boji's strength). Bosse is dead, Miranjo is sealed or something, everyone is alive, everyone is in their home country (except Desha), Ouken is contained.
Ivotas, if what you mean is that the anime suddenly entered a really fast pacing and that some events fill like they are pilling on top of the other without room for breathing I feel just like you. I did not had the feeling that the invasion and Bojji's going back to his kingdom meant he was taking it back. So I was a bit dizzy with it all, but was settling for Ougen being the mid-boss and Miranjo suffering a loss that would take us to her backstory…after the last episode, seems like they are giving it an original ending and ending things in one season.
The animes fast pace has been there since episode one, which one if my gripes with it the entire time. But what you just said about an original ending actually is much mire what I meant. It feels off in a way as if it's not the series intended way to go. If this is really a direction different from the manga, then that's what's throughing me off.
Almost caught up, I'm at 20.
! One thing that bothers me in the anime (no idea how it goes in the manga either) is that we're missing the actual ranking of kings. It plays a small part until that time when Daida is evaluated after Bosse dies, but then aside from hearing once that Desha is #2 or 3 (was Bosse #1 ? I think he is #4, but I'm not sure), it completely vanishes from the story. Which doesn't make it any less entertaining, mind, but I would have expected a little more about it. Maybe now we've had the backstory with war of the gods and such the story will get back to it.
That's also been something that came to me mind upon catching up with the episodes. The series premise takes a huge step back.
First time checking in on this thread since the site went down. I'm happy to see that this series is picking up some more traction with anime/manga fans.
I have seen a few comments about an anime-original ending. What I've heard from readers of the manga is that part 1 of the manga ended last year and part 2 is ongoing. This season will most likely adapt the whole of part 1. I believe there are 155 chapters in part 1 and episode 21 adapted up to the first few pages of chapter 146. So it makes sense that the last two episodes will adapt the remaining chapters and whatever else may have been omitted previously- the anime likes to reorganise certain chapters to give the story a better narrative structure.
I just started this recently and it's impeccable. About to watch episode 5.
I went through and read the manga raw because I couldn't wait anymore. The anime IS doing exactly what the manga did. Pacing is just things hitting climax.
Mostly the anime has been adapting 3 or 4 chapters per episode the whole time, and up to 5 or 6 chapters when its all out action. No filler, no fluff. I didn't really see anything being omitted either, (moved around for pacing, but not omited) but again looking through it raw so I dunno.
That said the manga is ongoing and this is just the end of the first major arc… but it nearly catches things up, the manga only just started its Part 2 recently.
! They forgave Daida too easily for stealing the wish and Miranjo too easily for causing everything. And the wedding stuff was weird.
The anime is now on about chapter 140. It's been doing about 4-5 chapters per episodes, more for action pieces.
I'm not looking any further ahead into the raw but that means the show is probably going to wrap around chapter 150-155 like Pepperoni said.
The manga is currently 180 chapters. Its going to end up adapting very nearly everything to date.
Scan groups are currently at about chapter 60. https://ou-samaranking.com/
It'll be three or four years before we get another season if we get one at all. But hopefully its developed a community and gets picked up officially and we can all follow the manga once the anime ends.
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Please use spoiler tags. Other people are just now starting the show, and not everyone is catching the new episodes the day they air.
No idea what's going on at all, with the Miranjo part. The mirror gets broken and Daida helps her out where she actually stands. Then the demon releases her and she actually appears again? What happened to the Miranjo who just stepped out of the mirror?
Also I really don't like that seemingly everyone is not really a bad guy. I understand that a hero has to always go the route of considering everyone as redeemable but that doesn't mean that every seemingly bad guy needs to be not really bad in the end. It's already annoying me in One Piece so having another story that cranks this up to eleven just irks me.
No idea what's going on at all, with the Miranjo part.
! That was internal and mental inside Daida's mind/inside the mirror Rather than actually happening in the real world. (The younger version of the demon was also there.) They were still surrounded by black during that moment.
! Daida was making the wish AS that moment happened, and that was a realtime visual representation of that happening.
! Same way everything with her and Daida had been for the last bunch of episodes. Including her changing from a masked doll and then growing up.
It's already annoying me in One Piece so having another story that cranks this up to eleven just irks me.
I dunno, I like that. It's charming and makes it what it is. Like a Ghibli film. People DO still die in the series, there are still costs.
But there were a few too many fakeout healing cheats I think. A couple of them felt fair and "Oh shit of course!" moments but one or two were just "really, again?"
Though maybe just like One Piece, that just means it'll hurt more when something really sticks.
! That was internal and mental inside Daida's mind/inside the mirror Rather than actually happening in the real world. (The younger version of the demon was also there.) They were still surrounded by black during that moment.
! Daida was making the wish AS that moment happened, and that was a realtime visual representation of that happening.
! Same way everything with her and Daida had been for the last bunch of episodes. Including her changing from a masked doll and then growing up.
That's what I thought too but then Bojji could also see what's inside the mirror when seeing kid demon so it was not just in Daida's head.
I dunno, I like that. It's charming and makes it what it is. Like a Ghibli film. People DO still die in the series, there are still costs.
But there were a few too many fakeout healing cheats I think. A couple of them felt fair and "Oh shit of course!" moments but one or two were just "really, again?"
Though maybe just like One Piece, that just means it'll hurt more when something really sticks.
I don't subscribe to the idea that death has to be a rare occurance for it to hit hard. It's more a matter of motional attachment. If you care for a character it hits much more home then if you don't care for them at all. Just like in real life the death of a person close or important to you touches you more than the death of someone you don't know.
Also Ace's death show's that too little deaths can create a different effect. Back then there was a number of people that were more shocked that Oda went through with killing off a character rather being hit emotionally that Ace died. I'm not saying there were none that mourned Ace's death. But if death would be a more regular occurance in OP then that would have completely taken away the element of "waut a minute, Oda killed someone in the present timeline?" Heck, even I was first shocked that there was a death before I could show my actual emotional reaction to the characters passing.:ninja:
That's what I thought too but then Bojji could also see what's inside the mirror when seeing kid demon so it was not just in Daida's head.
That's just cause Bojji is the best.
! Really though, Bojji was also in dead space not-real world an episode or two earlier so maybe he had some access to all that too.
! But the scene flows. They want to make a wish… and then it cuts away to the black room and that whole sequence of the mirror cracking and light pouring through.... and then its back ont he other characters going "you just used up the wish!"
! At which point Daida then, for the cameras, makes the out loud wish to bring her back to life and that's when the ice crystal is brought out.
! The carrying scene was saving her spirit, the rest was saving her body. She wasn't physically trapped in the mirror, just her spirit was. Saem way the entire tiemm Daida was trapped in the black void that was just his mind, not his body.
That's just cause Bojji is the best.
! Really though, Bojji was also in dead space not-real world an episode or two earlier so maybe he had some access to all that too.
! But the scene flows. They want to make a wish… and then it cuts away to the black room and that whole sequence of the mirror cracking and light pouring through.... and then its back ont he other characters going "you just used up the wish!"
! At which point Daida then, for the cameras, makes the out loud wish to bring her back to life and that's when the ice crystal is brought out.
! The carrying scene was saving her spirit, the rest was saving her body. She wasn't physically trapped in the mirror, just her spirit was. Saem way the entire tiemm Daida was trapped in the black void that was just his mind, not his body.
I guess that works as an explenation.
I am with Robby in that Bojji is the best! But also after catching up with the series, I have to say that Queen Hiling is such a good character! That I could watch just a spinoff series of her if they need to make something between seasons.
Binged this show in a day or two. Great stuff, I really enjoyed the beginning because it played and subvert expectations alot and in a good way.
Suffers a little with pacing issues during the climax parts but overall, it wasn't jarring enough. There's a few things I didn't like but it was balanced out by good characterization.
! I feel like the lack of a clear evil character in this arc has caused the first arc to actually suffer. I don't see anything wrong with Miranjo's redemption despite the fanbase annoyance (and overall their immature takes) on the character. It is heavily implied that parts of her empathy, such as kindness, was locked away and was only recovered by Bojji's efforts. There were a few phrases here and there from characters that mentions she's "back to normal" (could be the work of the devil), add that to her backstory of severed hands and torture by people, you can essentially understand that she sees everyone besides the King as tools. Her manipulation and the blood on her hands weren't done for selfish reasons but was selfless. She literally sold her entire soul for the King. If anything, the King is the shittiest person(not in an evil sense) but if we had to rank, then he was pretty incompetent in handling his relationships. Daida's proposal was too rushed and put in there for that fairy tale effect to close up her narrative, I didn't like it.
Hiling stole the show numerous times and the second opening actually gave me the impression that she was going to die. I feel like this show also has the One Piece effect: most if not all of the tragedies are found in the backstory/flashbacks before current time and no one dies in the present timeline.
It's not really a complaint but there are several times when the story tone goes dark but then you whiplashed back to present time and realize that no one is really going to die and everything is heading towards a happy end anyway (for literally every character). A fair share of fake out "deaths" one piece style was used during the fights and that kinds of cheapen it a little. There's also this second coming of anime jesus effect with Bojji that I didn't really liked, I get that he worked hard for a long time before he got to this point which he deserves but it can really take out the immersion when the character repeat the same thing for the 9th time.
! I'm only able to see it this way on a 22 episode binge, so that's my perspective on things. I know the last episode hasn't end but my rating overall is a 7/10. Amazing start, okayish middle and end, with some decisions towards the end leaving the entire arc feeling not as satisfactory as it could have been. The beginning was written so well that the later parts (while great but not anything as special as the start) finds it hard to keep up