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    • huron
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      Is Oni /Ogre a new race?
      Kaido and Yamato,as stated in the manga are Oni
      Are they the only ones?or there are more out there?
      Share all your thoughts and opinions about this new race or whatever it is

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      • theackwardstation
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        We should at least wonder if some horned characters are not Oni, like Moria (who curiously fought against Kaido in the past). That said, it's likely that Kaido and Yamato are the only named characters who are Oni, even if they're not the only ones in the world.

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        • Shiebs
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          We know Big Mom has three races that don’t live in her territory, one was said to be Giants, the other was Kings race the Lunarians, we don’t know what the third race is but so far she’s said absolutely nothing about wanting Kaido or Yamato to be part of her dream to have all races in harmony

          I don’t know if that means there not considered a race, or what it means just thought I’d say it

          If Oni’s aren’t the last race I wonder what is?

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          • Zik
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            I happened to ask in another thread if Magellan was a part of the one race.

            Same for Hannyabal I guess.

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            • huron
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              @Zik:

              I happened to ask in another thread if Magellan was a part of the one race.

              Same for Hannyabal I guess.

              While fighting against Luffy,he removed his horns and used them as blades,so no
              He has hair under his fake horns

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              • Jabra
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                I can tink of two possiblities:

                1. "Oni" aren't considered a race, it's just a fancy term for Ancient Giant decendants.
                Just like 30% of the population have neanderthal genes, but we're not calling them neanderthals or 2%-neanderthals. Likewise, Kaido doesn't call himself a 10% Ancient Giant.
                They are Oni.

                This would explain why Big Mom doesn't make a big deal out of it. She doesn't have giants, period - and she wants them. The real deal, not the "Oni" with a few % Ancient Giant content.

                2. Kaido and the Beast Pirates with real horns are artificial, a mix between Ancient Giants and Humans. Which would also explain why Big Mom has little interest in them, they would be just genetically altered humans after all. They don't count for her Races-of-the-World sticker book.

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                • Zik
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                  @huron:

                  While fighting against Luffy,he removed his horns and used them as blades,so no
                  He has hair under his fake horns

                  I've forgotten details like this about Impel Down.

                  So one of them is just a poser. Who are you talking about Hannyabal or Magellan?

                  @Jabra:

                  I can tink of two possiblities:

                  1. "Oni" aren't considered a race, it's just a fancy term for Ancient Giant decendants.
                  Just like 30% of the population have neanderthal genes, but we're not calling them neanderthals or 2%-neanderthals. Likewise, Kaido doesn't call himself a 10% Ancient Giant.
                  They are Oni.

                  This would explain why Big Mom doesn't make a big deal out of it. She doesn't have giants, period - and she wants them. The real deal, not the "Oni" with a few % Ancient Giant content.

                  2. Kaido and the Beast Pirates with real horns are artificial, a mix between Ancient Giants and Humans. Which would also explain why Big Mom has little interest in them, they would be just genetically altered humans after all. They don't count for her Races-of-the-World sticker book.

                  So you can't think of a possibility where onis are a race and not related to the ancient giants?

                  I mean what if it's the other way around and ancient giants are really just giant onis?

                  I mean I dont see a lot of ppl suggesting Birkans, Shandorans, and Skypeians are just watered down Lunarians.

                  Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

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                  • Jabra
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                    @Zik:

                    So you can't think of a possibility where onis are a race and not related to the ancient giants?

                    I mean what if it's the other way around and ancient giants are really just giant onis?

                    I guess that's possible, but the horned people are practically humans, while the Ancient Giants are much more aberant (going with Oars Junior here, since the Numbers are unreliable subjects).
                    The Ancient Giants mating with regular giants (or even oversized humans) seems more likely to me than horned humans evolving into those dumb Ancient Giants.

                    As for the Oni race being a unique thing, well I guess that's also possible, but one would think Big Mom would have addressed that in the past 100 or so chapters where she interacted with the Beast Pirates.

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                    • Zik
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                      @Jabra:

                      I guess that's possible, but the horned people are practically humans, while the Ancient Giants are much more aberant (going with Oars Junior here, since the Numbers are unreliable subjects).
                      The Ancient Giants mating with regular giants (or even oversized humans) seems more likely to me than horned humans evolving into those dumb Ancient Giants.

                      That's not what I'm suggesting.

                      It'd be more like onis mating with giants, creating what is called ancient giants. Not he evolution of horned humans.

                      As for the Oni race being a unique thing, well I guess that's also possible, but one would think Big Mom would have addressed that in the past 100 or so chapters where she interacted with the Beast Pirates.

                      Well she mentioned 3 races that are not a part of their crew. One is giants, the other are Lunarians, and the last is?

                      Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                      Last.fm

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                      • Jabra
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                        @Zik:

                        Well she mentioned 3 races that are not a part of their crew. One is giants, the other are Lunarians, and the last is?

                        I believe Oda left one out to cover his ass, just in case he wants to come up with something else later. If not, those weird dog people from the Moon come to mind.

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                        • Zik
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                          I believe Oda left one out to cover his ass, just in case he wants to come up with something else later. If not, those weird dog people from the Moon come to mind.

                          Dog ppl? You mean the space pirate?

                          Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                          Last.fm

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                          • Medical Orbit
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                            Was the word oni only mentioned in the Friday scan of that chapter? My memory is of it being mentioned in the Friday scans but not the Sunday official chapter, but I could be remembering wrong.

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                              @Medical:

                              Was the word oni only mentioned in the Friday scan of that chapter? My memory is of it being mentioned in the Friday scans but not the Sunday official chapter, but I could be remembering wrong.

                              The official translation is Ogre. It's still referring to the same race regardless of the choice of name.

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                              • Medical Orbit
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                                @theackwardstation:

                                The official translation is Ogre. It's still referring to the same race regardless of the choice of name.

                                Oh, okay. I remembered wrong. I thought the official translation didn't use the word oni and also didn't replace with any other word.

                                Now I'm imagining Kaido meeting Shrek.

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