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      @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

      @Dragon-D-Luffy Yamato's arc, at least in Wano, was really all about Momo. She may receive more individual development in the future, but even the scenes where she shared deeply personal moments - like meeting Ace - were centered on Momo. That scene in particular was when Yamato passed on Oden's journal to Momo so that he could symbolically take up his father's mantle.

      Oda could have used that Ace connection to underscore an emotional moment with Luffy, but instead used that connection to reinforce Yamato's growing attachment to Momo.

      Yeah, because Momo is possibly being set-up as the Shanks figure in Yamato's life she can bond and share a dream with, also like Zeff/Sanji, Hiriluk/Chopper, Tom/Franky, etc. since it seems Yamato never actually bonded with Oden or shared a dream with Ace. And just as Zeff as the others served as inspirations for Sanji and the others to sail out, the same might happen for Momo and Yamato.

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        I will also add that the scene which most developed Yamato as an individual was the rooftop battle against Kaido, which not so coincidentally is also when we saw the greatest insight into Kaido's character. I'm not talking about Vodka Kingdom or even Rocks, because I still believe those incidents are secondary in Kaido's life. We haven't yet seen the earliest inciting incident in his life which instilled in him his belief. The series of vignettes from chapter 1049 show us the 'what' for Kaido, but not really the 'why'. The best hint we got about what makes Kaido tick was the moment in chapter 1025 when his most deep rooted emotion bubbled to the surface. His face was contorted into a monstrous, demonic form as he bellowed to Yamato, "Ogres are destined to rule others by strength! They aren't meant to be friends with humans!"

        For whatever reason, Oda wasn't yet ready to tell us more about the society of Ogres from which Kaido originates. Thus, Kaido's story, like Yamato's, remans incomplete for the time being.

        Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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          @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

          I will also add that the scene which most developed Yamato as an individual was the rooftop battle against Kaido, which not so coincidentally is also when we saw the greatest insight into Kaido's character. I'm not talking about Vodka Kingdom or even Rocks, because I still believe those incidents are secondary in Kaido's life. We haven't yet seen the earliest inciting incident in his life which instilled in him his belief. The series of vignettes from chapter 1049 show us the 'what' for Kaido, but not really the 'why'. The best hint we got about what makes Kaido tick was the moment in chapter 1025 when his most deep rooted emotion bubbled to the surface. His face was contorted into a monstrous, demonic form as he bellowed to Yamato, "Ogres are destined to rule others by strength! They aren't meant to be friends with humans!"

          For whatever reason, Oda wasn't yet ready to tell us more about the society of Ogres from which Kaido originates. Thus, Kaido's story, like Yamato's, remans incomplete for the time being.

          Ah, didn't think of that. We didn't even get insight on Kaido's lover/Yamato's mom, whether she was human or ogre, even though Kaido was emphasizing on ogre heritage and how ogres shouldn't be friendly with humans too.

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            @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

            Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

            Do you think the final strawhat is really going to be a new character?

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              Final SH will be "that person" Caribou has been talking to for a decade, Oda said it to me in a dream

              Not even Naruto resorted to time travel

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                @StrawHatJedi I wouldn't say that Rocks is entirely secondary in Kaido's life, given the how the montage frames the God Valley incident with Big Mom implying that Kaido seemingly ate the devil fruit she gave him and ran. Given both how earlier we learned that Big Mom saved his life by giving him his fruit, and how many times we here Kaido talk about others' glorious deaths, him turning tail at God Valley possibly signifies a huge break in his ideals happened there. Which also seems further reinforced by how Kaido's flashback shows a transition of him being more anti-authoritarian to the full-blown "might makes right" he is today, with said flashback initially prompted by Kaido declaring Luffy can't change the world.

                It does make we wish we at least got a longer flashback between Big Mom and Kaido during their Rocks days, given that them teaming up was such a major plot beat in Wano. I think that could've helped fleshing Kaido out just a little more without necessarily bleeding into events Oda doesn't want to touch on yet. Plus I always thought it was crazy that a few of of Big Mom's kids would've been around to have met Kaido when he was a teenager, Perospero included, so it feels like it was a somewhat missed opportunity to bridge the gap a little there.

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                  Gotta be thinking at the bigger picture here, because in addition to Amazon Lily and Wano, after Alabasta most likely being targeted after its king got assassinated and Shirahoshi being up for grabs now that Big Mom is gone, I imagine Luffy will have to be answering up to the big question as how to protect all these places he cares about since he can’t be everywhere at once. Since Luffy as an Emperor now, he should have more reliable groups to help him out than just one Fleet, so maybe this next arc will tackle that question and play into a crewmate getting recruited by then.

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                    I'd say that Kaido being sold by Vodka King is at least one reason for his outburst of "Ogres aren't meant to be friends with humans". However, I do agree we still haven't learned anything about the ogres themselves.

                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                      @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                      The fact remains, Carrot didn't receive closure at the end of Wano. Many were up in arms about the way Oda seemed to leave things with Yamato in 1057. While I didn't think Yamato was leaving with the crew, I did correctly point out in the discussion immediately following that chapter that Yamato was lying to Momo about her reason for staying and that Oda hid the conversation with Luffy for that very reason.

                      Marco also didn't receive any closure at the end of the arc and as it turns out, we just needed to be a bit patient.

                      The same would seemingly remain true for Carrot. Being declared queen of Zou was no less abrupt than Yamato's (apparent; I thought it was where things were headed for a long time) sudden heel turn decision to remain on Wano.

                      Whether some in this thread want to acknowledge it or not, it remains true that Carrot was an important ally and friend to the Straw Hats. Oda flashed back to a farewell to Marco and Yamato, characters who spent substantially less panel time with the crew. Marco had never directly spoken to Luffy before that moment if memory serves. A lack of farewell or any kind ofo parting words to Carrot is very conspicuous.

                      As much as I wanted Carrot to join the crew, given her connections to the crew, at this point, I don't think much will happen.

                      If anything happens next chapter with Carrot, it will be, at best, a flashback of her saying goodbyes and what not. I have no real faith anymore in the whole stowaway stuff.

                      At this point, I just want the character's issues resolved and that is really it. If she happens to be on the ship, then that's great, If she is not....at least her stuff has been resolved then.

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                        @danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                        @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                        Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                        LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                        Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                        Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                        Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

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                          @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                          @danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                          @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                          Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                          LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                          Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                          Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                          Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                          Ahem, just went over this.

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                          My wager with FolhaS extends just until the crew reaches the island after Wano. If they get there and Carrot still hasn't appeared, I'll accept that she's done. Until then, I'll keep my faith in her and Pedro's will.

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                            @Kurloz said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                            @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                            LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up.

                            Carrot having this duke role randomly foisted upon her with the other minks dangling her dead mentor over her head, the scene ending with a worried expression on her face as she says "Pedro..." instead of a yes/no answer, and her not even getting a goodbye scene with the people she adventured with for an entire arc is literally the opposite of wrapped up.

                            I have no special fondness for Carrot but even I am expecting a sudden band-aid flashback with her after Oda gave one to Marco+Yamato. And I understand why the Carrot for Nakama gang feels some newfound hope because her """"""conclusion"""""" in 1057 was very weird otherwise.

                            I mean Oda’s neglect of her has been pretty consistent since Wano.

                            I don’t doubt we’ll see her again but I’m not banking on a flashback bringing anymore closure given she really had nothing to do for 4 years. This whole Pedro mentor stuff seems to be overstated by fans but they just don’t feel like loose plot threads to me but maybe that’s my apathy.

                            As for the duke role, I don’t think Oda introduced it to have it rejected and then what have Carrot join the crew? There’s been some poor storytelling choices and poor writing imo but that would be even worse. The complete lack of focus on the character or any real character building when the chances were there just seemed to me Oda isn’t crafting the latest strawhat.

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                              I don't know what it is worse, a character that had no development or attention during 4 years and was completely neglected being suddenly meant to be part of the main cast, or that scene being supposed to be Carrot's real end.
                              People were going nuts over how Yamato giving up his dream was against OP's message, but in absolutely EVERY. SINGLE. SENSE that Carrot scene shits on OP's usual message a hundred times more.
                              Despite any complaints people might have, Yamato still made his decision of his own free will and was shown legitimately happy and optimistic; meanwhile Carrot was shown distraught and powerless, about a decision imposed on her that she kept denying at every moment only to see more and more people coercing her into it until she had no way out.

                              My honest favorite outcome would be if in the next cover story we saw Carrot jumping out of a barrel and finding out she boarded on Kid's ship by mistake. This way she would be able to keep sailing and having her adventures before she could go back to Zou an become a duchess when she felt ready for it - and could even rejoin the story once Kid comes back, but without feeling like an outsider as it would be in the main cast.

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                                @Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                Do you think the final strawhat is really going to be a new character?
                                At this point, I think it would be better for it to be someone we’re familiar with like Vivi or Bon-chan. A Bon Kurei flashback has a lot of potential. Vivi makes more sense now to me given recent events to a point (given in the end she’ll have to return and become Queen of Alabasta).

                                As far as this thread goes though (which is what I was focusing on in my posts about Carrot/Hancock and asking about a new thread for this topic), there needs to be new characters to keep discussion flowing with new ideas and theories from posters

                                The next 5 years can’t be recycling and regurgitating Carrot, Yamato, a little Vivi talk when she’s plot relevant, a dash of Bonney, and nobody is going to join. That’s like a new circle of hell.

                                If so I’ll dredge up my Gin is alive and going to join the crew madness to add to it.

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                                @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                Ahem, just went over this.

                                @Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                My wager with FolhaS extends just until the crew reaches the island after Wano. If they get there and Carrot still hasn't appeared, I'll accept that she's done. Until then, I'll keep my faith in her and Pedro's will.

                                Well I guess we’ll know in a month or so.

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                                  It was really a bad way to end her story if that’s what Oda intended

                                  I can understand the stow away theory

                                  That being said, it’s weird for her to be a crewmember when she was 100% neglected the last four years

                                  I won’t be surprised If she is on the ship

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                                    I'll be shocked if Carrot is on the ship but I do hope she rebels a little. How about instead of going after Zunesha, she takes after Pedro and goes poneglyph hunting? That seems like the best thing Oda can do with her. Adventure plus possibly finding a "real poneglyph". If i remember correctly, their is supposed to be 9 of them and not 1 has been confirmed.

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                                      @Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                      It was really a bad way to end her story if that’s what Oda intended

                                      I can understand the stow away theory

                                      That being said, it’s weird for her to be a crewmember when she was 100% neglected the last four years

                                      I won’t be surprised If she is on the ship

                                      Why stow away though? If that was the plan from the start, then why not just have Carrot come up front and join already emphasize on her greater purpose from there?

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                                        I can see three possible outcomes for Carrot:

                                        • Cut to Zou. We find her there with the Minks. She remembers her farewell to the Straw Hats and explain why she's fine with the task given to her. Flashback to Pedro saying something. The end.
                                        • She pops out of a barrel. In a twist that could be either funny or infuriating depending on your perspective, she got in the wrong ship and is with either Kid or Law. Oh-oh.
                                        • She pops out of a barrel in the Sunny. She's not automatically a crewmate because of that, but it would be an almost sure conclusion at that point.

                                        As much I as think anything is possible and I don't want to upset any Carrot fans, I'm leaning towards the first one. Mostly because her portrayal hasn't been that good, I really don't feel like she's meant to be a crewmate. But I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong, either.

                                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                          @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                          @danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                          @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                          Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                          LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                          Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                          Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                          Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                          I love how literally nobody said or insinuated that, but anti-Carrot people always have fictitious conversations and strawmen inside their heads. It's really an outstanding sight to witness.

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                                            @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                            @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                            @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                            Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                            LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                            Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                            Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                            Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                            I love how literally nobody said or insinuated that, but anti-Carrot people always have fictitious conversations and strawmen inside their heads. It's really an outstanding sight to witness.

                                            Can't help but think if Oda set-up this conundrum on purpose though, after how some people are saying Yamato should feel obligated to protect Wano to help avoid the mistakes Oden made in the past, in contrast to Carrot where some are also saying that Carrot should be free to pursue her own ambitions and not feel obligated to help Zou, even though Zou was also attacked in the past.

                                            So basically, it gives the impression that Yamato should be saddled with an obligation while Carrot gets off scot-free. lol

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                                              @access-timeco said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                              I don't know what it is worse, a character that had no development or attention during 4 years and was completely neglected being suddenly meant to be part of the main cast, or that scene being supposed to be Carrot's real end.
                                              People were going nuts over how Yamato giving up his dream was against OP's message, but in absolutely EVERY. SINGLE. SENSE that Carrot scene shits on OP's usual message a hundred times more.
                                              Despite any complaints people might have, Yamato still made his decision of his own free will and was shown legitimately happy and optimistic; meanwhile Carrot was shown distraught and powerless, about a decision imposed on her that she kept denying at every moment only to see more and more people coercing her into it until she had no way out.

                                              My honest favorite outcome would be if in the next cover story we saw Carrot jumping out of a barrel and finding out she boarded on Kid's ship by mistake. This way she would be able to keep sailing and having her adventures before she could go back to Zou an become a duchess when she felt ready for it - and could even rejoin the story once Kid comes back, but without feeling like an outsider as it would be in the main cast.
                                              Wait I don’t see the comparison or parallel to Yamato’s situation.

                                              When did Carrot express any dream in the story? When did Carrot express the desire to keep sailing the seas or going adventures or being a pirate or indicate she wanted to do something other than return to Zou after she got her revenge?

                                              Also the scenes you’re describing from the manga sure do seem to have a lot of your own interpretation baked in to it leading to that conclusion. The role being constantly foisted upon her? She kept denying a decision imposed on her? Shown to be distraught and powerless? Gotta disagree with all that.

                                              Technically as king/duke she can do w/e she wants and call it protecting Zou the new generation way. I don’t see Oda just throwing away the role when a character can get creative with it. Zou’s a moving island after all.

                                              However, I will admit Carrot joining the Kidd pirates would be funny as fuck and a nice twist.

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                                                @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                I don't know what it is worse, a character that had no development or attention during 4 years and was completely neglected being suddenly meant to be part of the main cast, or that scene being supposed to be Carrot's real end.
                                                People were going nuts over how Yamato giving up his dream was against OP's message, but in absolutely EVERY. SINGLE. SENSE that Carrot scene shits on OP's usual message a hundred times more.
                                                Despite any complaints people might have, Yamato still made his decision of his own free will and was shown legitimately happy and optimistic; meanwhile Carrot was shown distraught and powerless, about a decision imposed on her that she kept denying at every moment only to see more and more people coercing her into it until she had no way out.

                                                My honest favorite outcome would be if in the next cover story we saw Carrot jumping out of a barrel and finding out she boarded on Kid's ship by mistake. This way she would be able to keep sailing and having her adventures before she could go back to Zou an become a duchess when she felt ready for it - and could even rejoin the story once Kid comes back, but without feeling like an outsider as it would be in the main cast.
                                                Wait I don’t see the comparison or parallel to Yamato’s situation.

                                                When did Carrot express any dream in the story? When did Carrot express the desire to keep sailing the seas or going adventures or being a pirate or indicate she wanted to do something other than return to Zou after she got her revenge?

                                                That's what I thought. People keep saying Carrot made the proclamation and voiced her desire to sail at sea and go to Laugh Tale with Luffy many times, but I never see anyone bring up those panels for some reason.

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                                                  @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                  Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                                  LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                                  Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                                  Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                                  Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                                  I love how literally nobody said or insinuated that, but anti-Carrot people always have fictitious conversations and strawmen inside their heads. It's really an outstanding sight to witness.
                                                  When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

                                                  Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

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                                                    @Zik Well, spoilers can't leave spoiler thread, so it's natural for the discussion to spill there.

                                                    Chapters that showcase a candidate will of course cause someone to talk about it there, thought I don't see that as so common.

                                                    That's just how things are.

                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                      @Zik I though Shift may have been insinuating that 2 pages back but he clarified that he wasn't.

                                                      I still think some hardcore Carrot fans are going to do that though. I'll be glad to be wrong but I'm not counting on it. Carrot has some die hard fans and It's just how some people are. Once they believe or want something, they absolutely will not change their mind.

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                                                        Once again Greg said he wouldn’t be surprised if Carrot ended up joining, which convinces me even more she might have stowed away

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                                                          @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                          Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                                          LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                                          Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                                          Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                                          Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                                          I love how literally nobody said or insinuated that, but anti-Carrot people always have fictitious conversations and strawmen inside their heads. It's really an outstanding sight to witness.

                                                          Can't help but think if Oda set-up this conundrum on purpose though, after how some people are saying Yamato should feel obligated to protect Wano to help avoid the mistakes Oden made in the past, in contrast to Carrot where some are also saying that Carrot should be free to pursue her own ambitions and not feel obligated to help Zou, even though Zou was also attacked in the past.

                                                          So basically, it gives the impression that Yamato should be saddled with an obligation while Carrot gets off scot-free. lol

                                                          Excuse me, what ever happened to your idea of keeping the conversation fun and casual, not making it a contest? Because to me, this feels like the opposite, blaming one character for another not joining, blaming whoever "some people" are for wanting freedom of choice for both characters, and it's a lot harder to not debate each other like we agreed when it feels like you keep criticising.

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                                                            @Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                            @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                            Yeah, never thought Hancock ever had a chance at joining. Nothing has changed. That always seemed to be a solely fan based idea.

                                                            LOL @ Carrot being the most realistic possible candidate left to join. I thought the past few chaps wrapped all of that up. Didn't know there were still holdouts angling for another stowaway situation.

                                                            Thought we were all just looking forward to the next arc and new characters

                                                            Pretty sure the hardcore "Carrot for nakama" people are moving past the stowaway idea and will now push for Carrot joining down the line after she gets a flashback saying goodbye with some of the crew or something.

                                                            Wow. Guess the the goalpost moving is endless.

                                                            I love how literally nobody said or insinuated that, but anti-Carrot people always have fictitious conversations and strawmen inside their heads. It's really an outstanding sight to witness.

                                                            Can't help but think if Oda set-up this conundrum on purpose though, after how some people are saying Yamato should feel obligated to protect Wano to help avoid the mistakes Oden made in the past, in contrast to Carrot where some are also saying that Carrot should be free to pursue her own ambitions and not feel obligated to help Zou, even though Zou was also attacked in the past.

                                                            So basically, it gives the impression that Yamato should be saddled with an obligation while Carrot gets off scot-free. lol

                                                            Excuse me, what ever happened to your idea of keeping the conversation fun and casual, not making it a contest? Because to me, this feels like the opposite, blaming one character for another not joining, blaming whoever "some people" are for wanting freedom of choice for both characters, and it's a lot harder to not debate each other like we agreed when it feels like you keep criticising.

                                                            Nah, I'm not blaming anyone. Just keeping it fun in a non-contest way in my own way, spitballing speculation to pass the time and what not.

                                                            I wouldn't know what to say if you feel it's harder not to debate anyone on making casual speculation though, except I guess to mention that I hope you're not feeling the opposite of fun.

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                                                              @Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                              @Zik Well, spoilers can't leave spoiler thread, so it's natural for the discussion to spill there.

                                                              Chapters that showcase a candidate will of course cause someone to talk about it there, thought I don't see that as so common.

                                                              That's just how things are.

                                                              Not saying anything is wrong with it. Just saying you can’t make a claim that nobody has said X when there’s plenty discussions about the topic in other places on the forum.

                                                              For example, somebody in the theory thread says nobody has ever had a theory about Hancock being captured. All I’d have to do link to one of your posts in this thread or elsewhere.

                                                              Of course like I said that’s only the case if he wasn’t limiting his post just to this thread.

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                                                                @Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

                                                                When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

                                                                Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

                                                                Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

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                                                                  @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                  @Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

                                                                  When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

                                                                  Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

                                                                  Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

                                                                  LOL

                                                                  You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

                                                                  Also Gin is alive and is going to be the final strawhat.

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                                                                  @Zik I though Shift may have been insinuating that 2 pages back but he clarified that he wasn't.

                                                                  I still think some hardcore Carrot fans are going to do that though. I'll be glad to be wrong but I'm not counting on it. Carrot has some die hard fans and It's just how some people are. Once they believe or want something, they absolutely will not change their mind.

                                                                  It’s annoying sometimes, humorous others but I’ve seen worse.

                                                                  AGOG and his Perona campaign. Not to mention his Jimbe is too big for the Sunny’s doors were the cream of the crop.

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                                                                    @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                    @Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

                                                                    When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

                                                                    Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

                                                                    Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

                                                                    Exactly Wano was the deadline, and then we left and now it’s, hey maybe she sneaked aboard the ship, exactly like Perona, that’s moving the goal post, we joked around and said this would happen when she didn’t join in Wano and we were told specifically that it wouldn’t and that you guys would accept it

                                                                    Then you did exactly what you said you wouldn’t

                                                                    The only reason I’m not disagreeing with you is because she’s done it before and the way Oda ended her story was just awful and I could definitely see him doing that

                                                                    So as someone who is on your side I can still say, yes goalposts we’re moved, but I completely understand why

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                                                                      @Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

                                                                      LOL

                                                                      You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

                                                                      🤦 🤦 🤦

                                                                      Dude, it's not my job to prove a negative, I can't present evidence that nobody said something, LOL. It's you who's daydreaming of ghosts talking stuff, so it's you who should present your "proof" of people saying what you're claiming they're saying.

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                                                                      Exactly Wano was the deadline, and then we left and now it’s, hey maybe she sneaked aboard the ship

                                                                      Dude, it's in the mothrfuckin' 1-line reply you're answering to the fact that all theories for Carrot always ended at the stowaway idea. How can you miss that???????????????!!!!!!!

                                                                      Like, that's what's so frustrating in this thread, it's like people can't read at all, or they're just trolling hard.

                                                                      I'm out!

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                                                                        No lol, the stow away thing was not being argued for until the last few chapters, you guys did not come into Wano saying at the end of the arc the straw hats would leave without her getting properly inducted into the crew only for her to stow away on the ship, after they left Wano

                                                                        I don’t feel like going back through hundreds of pages but I’m damn sure you guys didn’t come up with this she’ll stow away at the end of the arc until recently

                                                                        I certainly don’t remember that being argued about pre wano, and I was on these forums daily at that point

                                                                        Again it makes sense that she would, but this was not argued for until recently

                                                                        It was definitely not pre Wano, or even mid Wano for that point

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                                                                          @Shiebs this stowaway theory has been argued for YEARS in the nakama threads and outside this forum. You can scroll through this thread and the past nakama threads and find at least a dozen posts of Shift alone saying it, to not mention other Carrot supporters.

                                                                          This stowaway idea was always a thing because that's what Carrot did the first time, and because it mirrors the story of the Dukes who did it twice in Oden's flashback. So when it looked like Carrot was unhappy to become the new duchess, this stowaway theory gained more traction, although I'm skeptical. But nobody is moving goalposts. This theory is old.

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                                                                            The stowaway thing isn't something I wanted, but I did made sure to include that particular clause in my wager precisely because it was a distinct possibility.

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                                                                              @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                              @Shiebs this stowaway theory has been argued for YEARS in the nakama threads and outside this forum. You can scroll through this thread and the past nakama threads and find at least a dozen posts of Shift alone saying it, to not mention other Carrot supporters.

                                                                              This stowaway idea was always a thing because that's what Carrot did the first time, and because it mirrors the story of the Dukes who did it twice in Oden's flashback. So when it looked like Carrot was unhappy to become the new duchess, this stowaway theory gained more traction, although I'm skeptical. But nobody is moving goalposts. This theory is old.

                                                                              I did find it curious why characters even have to mirror others in the first place, because it could even draw into the idea that Carrot has to parallel Neko and Inu even more including becoming a ruler. I suppose she'd be willing enough to accept it after thinking about it carefully enough after her initial reaction, but honestly, I could see her in more of an assistant role, perhaps even one higher than Kingsbird status, because I don't currently don't see her ultimately wanting to leave Zunesha behind after thinking about all the damage Jack caused.

                                                                              This is unless of course Carrot ends up gaining a greater purpose and a point to sailing with the Straw Hats though, because I don't think it would be accurate to claim all the Straw Hats have no purpose or that there's no point (aka pointless) to them being there of course.

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                                                                                I have also said that I think she could already be on the ship. If they arrive at the next island without Carrot, that idea would quite obviously be proven wrong.

                                                                                I'm not going to go through the many posts I've made about Carrot over the past two years. I never said it was a likely outcome, but I'm quite sure I at least mentioned the possibility of another stowaway situation.

                                                                                I really didn't have any firm idea for exactly how she would join the crew. My only arguments have been that she would indeed join. The complete lack of closure for Carrot in chapter 1056 (we last see her simply repeating Pedro's name, an incomplete thought; never actually accepts the responsibility on Zou), coupled with the circumstances of the Straw Hat's departure naturally leads to the idea she could already be aboard Sunny - reinforced by the fact that she stowed away the first time she set sail with the Straw Hats.

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                                                                                  As a 'Carrot will join' supporter, no offense has been taken lol

                                                                                  I think we should at least expect option 1 if she isn't going to sail with the Straw Hats

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                                                                                    The Inu and Neck/Carrot stowaway parallel doesn't work for me when you consider Inu and Neck only did it to stay with Oden.

                                                                                    This new idea just says Carrot is going to bail on her ppl to be a pirate?

                                                                                    The whole Pedro's will and find out why the strawhats are important are pretty lame motivators and worse dreams. Did Oda just run out of ideas for new strawhats?

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                                                                                    LOL

                                                                                    You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

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                                                                                    Dude, it's not my job to prove a negative, I can't present evidence that nobody said something, LOL.
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                                                                                    If you make a claim you should be able to prove it.

                                                                                    You chose to make one about a negative. That's not my fault.

                                                                                    I just don't believe you and have no reason to.

                                                                                    You can go ahead and look through every thread in the forum to confirm your baseless statement.

                                                                                    Its like saying 'Nobody has ever said Moria will join the strawhats.' Then you're relying on ignorance that nobody else will actually prove that statement wrong lol.

                                                                                    It's you who's daydreaming of ghosts talking stuff, so it's you who should present your "proof" of people saying what you're claiming they're saying.
                                                                                    Got no clue what you're talking about here.

                                                                                    I haven't daydreamed anything or made any claims.

                                                                                    I have nothing to prove and no need to provide any proof cuz once again I'm not making absolute statements about things I don't know about.

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                                                                                      @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      I have also said that I think she could already be on the ship. If they arrive at the next island without Carrot, that idea would quite obviously be proven wrong.

                                                                                      I'm not going to go through the many posts I've made about Carrot over the past two years. I never said it was a likely outcome, but I'm quite sure I at least mentioned the possibility of another stowaway situation.

                                                                                      I really didn't have any firm idea for exactly how she would join the crew. My only arguments have been that she would indeed join. The complete lack of closure for Carrot in chapter 1056 (we last see her simply repeating Pedro's name, an incomplete thought; never actually accepts the responsibility on Zou), coupled with the circumstances of the Straw Hat's departure naturally leads to the idea she could already be aboard Sunny - reinforced by the fact that she stowed away the first time she set sail with the Straw Hats.

                                                                                      Well, since you've talked about it in many posts, I might as well ask about it in a straightforward manner since I don't really have a good idea about it myself:

                                                                                      In the event Carrot joins, what would her greater purpose aboard the ship be?

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                                                                                        So we are all happy now. Yamato is a cremate like Vivi.

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                                                                                          @Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

                                                                                          When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

                                                                                          Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

                                                                                          Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

                                                                                          LOL

                                                                                          You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

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                                                                                          January 7th, 2021

                                                                                          ...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.

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                                                                                          January 4th, 2021

                                                                                          ...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.

                                                                                          EDIT: Another one.

                                                                                          November 15th, 2020

                                                                                          She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.

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                                                                                          This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.

                                                                                          I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.

                                                                                          I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.

                                                                                          • Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.

                                                                                          • Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).

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                                                                                          • Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!

                                                                                          Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.

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                                                                                            I have my share of empathy towards Carrot supporters. I’m not a supporter myself, but there’s a difference between not sharing one’s view and completely disregarding its possibility.

                                                                                            Just like I’ve doubted Yamato’s chances, but always acknowledged that he could join, I see the logic in the idea of Carrot joining and have to admit that the possibility exists.

                                                                                            I feel a lot of people entrench themselves with their beliefs and end up antagonizing others unnecessarily. We need all to admit to ourselves that we are wrong way more often than we would like. It helps especially to avoid being a bad winner (or a sore loser).

                                                                                            Besides, playing devil’s advocate to ideas you don’t fully agree with can be quite enlightening.

                                                                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                              We’ll probably have our answer in a couple of days, unless Oda is going to do more World Building stuff

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                                                                                                @SeaOfHope Uh, I think @Zik was talking about no Carrot fans arguing for or thinking about Carrot joining down the line.

                                                                                                Basically denying that no Carrot fan has argued for or thinks that.

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                                                                                                  @danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                                  @SeaOfHope Uh, I think @Zik was talking about no Carrot fans arguing for or thinking about Carrot joining down the line.

                                                                                                  Basically denying that no Carrot fan has argued for or thinks that.

                                                                                                  Not from what was posted.

                                                                                                  @theackwardstation argued that

                                                                                                  People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

                                                                                                  which @Zik denied and continued asserting:

                                                                                                  If you make a claim you should be able to prove it.

                                                                                                  People were always debating that Carrot could stow away. Don't try and reinterpret the situation.

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                                                                                                    Dear god I almost want Oda to skip all the world building stuff, that’s usually one of my favorite parts of the manga, just so we can end this debate once and for all

                                                                                                    I don’t even care what happens at this point, join or not, just let it be over with

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                                                                                                      I just want people to debate with a modicum of respect and not be gaslighting in this thread. You would have thought that would have ended, but it hasn't and comes off as nothing more than petty.

                                                                                                      I may not agree with @Deicide that Hancock could join, but I can at least see his point of view without attacking his opinion and belittling him for how long he's supported her.

                                                                                                      People need to learn to debate without acting like jerks.

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                                                                                                        @SeaOfHope Um yes. He basically denied that all Carrot supporters are in agreement that if she doesn't stowaway again that that's it; you will all stop arguing for it.

                                                                                                        Or rather that none of you have ever argued that Carrot will still join if she doesn't stowaway again.

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