Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

[electricmastro]

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro
Yeah, I suppose outside of Oden, Yamato didn't do much to intertwine her fate with the Luffy. The rest of her character is Samurai's and the twenty year wait, which would align more with Momo's story. I suppose she was introduced to represent the samurai's 20 year struggle under Kaido , like how Tama represents the struggle of the average Wano citizen under Orochi's regime

It could make out Yamato to be selfish in that respect, because none of the others, while having their own dreams, aren't on the crew just for being in on it for themselves. Not that I want to frame Yamato as someone who would have never helped Luffy out, but I guess one issue is figuring out how she would have helped him in the first place.

[Shiebs]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Maybe the Straw Hats will need someone with a certain ability to get to laugh tale, like how Robin is necessary, something they don’t have that will become clear when they get the last poneglyph

Yeah, I suppose that's possible. Like if someone turned out to be lore-related like Shirahoshi I guess.

I mean Roger had a giant bird egg right? Maybe that’s something similar to how the Straw Hats needed the north bird to get to sky island? Maybe they need a giant creature to get to Laugh Tale

Actually never mind that’s ridiculous

[electricmastro]

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Maybe the Straw Hats will need someone with a certain ability to get to laugh tale, like how Robin is necessary, something they don’t have that will become clear when they get the last poneglyph

Yeah, I suppose that's possible. Like if someone turned out to be lore-related like Shirahoshi I guess.

I mean Roger had a giant bird egg right? Maybe that’s something similar to how the Straw Hats needed the north bird to get to sky island? Maybe they need a giant creature to get to Laugh Tale

Actually never mind that’s ridiculous

Like an ancient weapon, right?

[pokebat7]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro
Yeah, I suppose outside of Oden, Yamato didn't do much to intertwine her fate with the Luffy. The rest of her character is Samurai's and the twenty year wait, which would align more with Momo's story. I suppose she was introduced to represent the samurai's 20 year struggle under Kaido , like how Tama represents the struggle of the average Wano citizen under Orochi's regime

It could make out Yamato to be selfish in that respect, because none of the others, while having their own dreams, aren't on the crew just for being in on it for themselves. Not that I want to frame Yamato as someone who would have never helped Luffy out, but I guess one issue is figuring out how she would have helped him in the first place.

She did help Luffy with protecting Momo and catching him after he fell from the sky, but I wonder if you could say she respects him to a similar level that Oden respected Roger. It wouldn't be hard to have her prove her loyalty to Luffy in the future like giving her a nothing happened moment. Still having her dream be achieved just by being on the ship because it bring her closer Oden or his goals wouldn't feel as meaningful as the rest of the crew.

[Shiebs]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Maybe the Straw Hats will need someone with a certain ability to get to laugh tale, like how Robin is necessary, something they don’t have that will become clear when they get the last poneglyph

Yeah, I suppose that's possible. Like if someone turned out to be lore-related like Shirahoshi I guess.

I mean Roger had a giant bird egg right? Maybe that’s something similar to how the Straw Hats needed the north bird to get to sky island? Maybe they need a giant creature to get to Laugh Tale

Actually never mind that’s ridiculous

Like an ancient weapon, right?

More like something like the north bird that helps direct you to the way, or if there’s some final hidden hurdle once they get all the four road poneglyphs, some final challenge that only a certain someone or something can help you get past

[electricmastro]

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro
Yeah, I suppose outside of Oden, Yamato didn't do much to intertwine her fate with the Luffy. The rest of her character is Samurai's and the twenty year wait, which would align more with Momo's story. I suppose she was introduced to represent the samurai's 20 year struggle under Kaido , like how Tama represents the struggle of the average Wano citizen under Orochi's regime

It could make out Yamato to be selfish in that respect, because none of the others, while having their own dreams, aren't on the crew just for being in on it for themselves. Not that I want to frame Yamato as someone who would have never helped Luffy out, but I guess one issue is figuring out how she would have helped him in the first place.

She did help Luffy with protecting Momo and catching him after he fell from the sky, but I wonder if you could say she respects him to a similar level that Oden respected Roger. It wouldn't be hard to have her prove her loyalty to Luffy in the future like giving her a nothing happened moment. Still having her dream be achieved just by being on the ship because it bring her closer Oden or his goals wouldn't feel as meaningful as the rest of the crew.

I don't what to say Yamato doesn't care for Luffy, but I also can't deny the possibility of Yamato doing things just to give herself the satisfaction of becoming Oden. If Oda had multiple reasons why Yamato can't be on the crew at this point, then I wouldn't doubt that would be one of them, because I somehow get the feeling that he doesn't want to give the feeling of crewmates traveling with Luffy just to "use" him to achieve their own dreams and satisfactions. I suppose it's like when Nami joined Luffy to "use" him to find more maps and treasure, but then it got to the point that she wasn't just using him anymore. Again, sorry if it doesn't make any sense.

[pokebat7]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro
Yeah, I suppose outside of Oden, Yamato didn't do much to intertwine her fate with the Luffy. The rest of her character is Samurai's and the twenty year wait, which would align more with Momo's story. I suppose she was introduced to represent the samurai's 20 year struggle under Kaido , like how Tama represents the struggle of the average Wano citizen under Orochi's regime

It could make out Yamato to be selfish in that respect, because none of the others, while having their own dreams, aren't on the crew just for being in on it for themselves. Not that I want to frame Yamato as someone who would have never helped Luffy out, but I guess one issue is figuring out how she would have helped him in the first place.

She did help Luffy with protecting Momo and catching him after he fell from the sky, but I wonder if you could say she respects him to a similar level that Oden respected Roger. It wouldn't be hard to have her prove her loyalty to Luffy in the future like giving her a nothing happened moment. Still having her dream be achieved just by being on the ship because it bring her closer Oden or his goals wouldn't feel as meaningful as the rest of the crew.

I don't what to say Yamato doesn't care for Luffy, but I also can't deny the possibility of Yamato doing things just to give herself the satisfaction of becoming Oden. If Oda had multiple reasons why Yamato can't be on the crew at this point, then I wouldn't doubt that would be one of them, because I somehow get the feeling that he doesn't want to give the feeling of crewmates traveling with Luffy just to "use" him to achieve their own dreams and satisfactions. I suppose it's like when Nami joined Luffy to "use" him to find more maps and treasure, but then it got to the point that she wasn't just using him anymore. Again, sorry if it doesn't make any sense.

I don't 100% understand what you are getting at, but I feel as if I can see what your trying to say it just doesn't make sense to me yet. Is it that all the Straw Hats don't necessarily need Luffy to fulfill their dreams, but Yamato needs Luffy specifically to fulfill her Dream?

[electricmastro]

@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I don't 100% understand what you are getting at, but I feel as if I can see what your trying to say it just doesn't make sense to me yet. Is it that all the Straw Hats don't necessarily need Luffy to fulfill their dreams, but Yamato needs Luffy specifically to fulfill her Dream?

I feel that traveling with Luffy just so happens to benefit their dreams in some way, but also don't give the feeling of just doing what he says just to satisfy themselves. I think one could make the reasonable argument that if Yamato was being told to do things by Luffy, then she just would have been doing them because "that's what Oden would have done" and get the satisfaction of being Oden. It's not like Zoro goes around doing what Luffy says because "that's what Kuina would have done." but he does it because he genuinely feels like he should do it, if that makes any sense.

[DynoStretch]

I'm jumping back on board with the Vivi gang at this point. Seems due to King Im's interest in her, as well as what happened with Cobra's assassination, she's going to play a much larger role in the plot than we thought.

As for the whole idea that she can't be a pirate since she's a princess, in light of what's happened, I could easily see someone working for King Im seizing control of Alabasta in the wake of Cobra dying and his only heir being AWOL. Or Vivi could even have had her status as royalty revoked if we take the Elder's word of 'erasing someone from history'.

Maybe after all the corruption she saw at Levely with the Celestial Dragons and now this assassination, Vivi realizes trying to be diplomatic about things isn't going to cut it anymore, and she needs to actively fight for peace, and decides joining back up with Luffy and the gang will help her do just that.

As for her strength, as some have pointed out, we don't know her current power level at the moment, for all we know she may have been training these past two years in case of something just like this happening.

I could even see her getting a devil fruit power at some point. Personally I'd prefer to see a logia type power for the sake of ability variety among the SHs. Logia is still very useful even if Haki can potentially counter it.

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

What logia fruits are even left? I can’t think of any forces of nature that haven’t been done
I’d say rocks but we already have Pica which is too close in concept I think

I don't know about this for Vivi necessarily, but I do have an idea for a steam-based logia power.

The user could manipulate the temperature of the steam to be scalding hot to burn enemies and even dehydrate them. With enough skill, it could be used to freely control steam-based engines as well.

[electricmastro]

If Caribou works for Crocodile, then he might tell him about Pluton and lead to Crocodile going to Wano, maybe even with Mihawk, which may be the main reason the story had Yamato be in Wano, not to be there forever, but specifically for him.

[Shiebs]

I assumed it was Black Beard Caribou was talking about

[Ivotas]

On the topic of logias, I thought that acid would be a possible option. But then I realized ut would pretty much be Akaiunu's fruit minus the heat.

I still wish for a water logia tbh.

[electricmastro]

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I assumed it was Black Beard Caribou was talking about

Crocodile has been shown to have interest in ancient weapons more than Blackbeard, Pluton specifically, but I wouldn't doubt Blackbeard being interested in them as well.

Similar to Jinbe's recruitment being delayed until Whole Cake so that he could have an epic moment against Big Mom, maybe Yamato's recruitment is potentially being delayed so that she can have an epic moment as well, maybe against Crocodile or maybe even Mihawk depending on what Cross Guild is trying to do. Yamato having an epic moment against Blackbeard would be nice as well.

[Shiebs]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I assumed it was Black Beard Caribou was talking about

Crocodile has been shown to have interest in ancient weapons than Blackbeard, Pluton specifically, but I wouldn't doubt Blackbeard being interested in them as well.

Similar to Jinbe's recruitment being delayed until Whole Cake so that he could have an epic moment against Big Mom, maybe Yamato's recruitment is potentially being delayed so that she can have an epic moment as well, maybe against Crocodile or maybe even Mihawk depending on what Cross Guild is trying to do. Yamato having an epic moment against Blackbeard would be nice as well.

I would actually really love that

That being said I’d take just about anything to make Sir Crocodile relevant again

[electricmastro]

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I assumed it was Black Beard Caribou was talking about

Crocodile has been shown to have interest in ancient weapons than Blackbeard, Pluton specifically, but I wouldn't doubt Blackbeard being interested in them as well.

Similar to Jinbe's recruitment being delayed until Whole Cake so that he could have an epic moment against Big Mom, maybe Yamato's recruitment is potentially being delayed so that she can have an epic moment as well, maybe against Crocodile or maybe even Mihawk depending on what Cross Guild is trying to do. Yamato having an epic moment against Blackbeard would be nice as well.

I would actually really love that

That being said I’d take just about anything to make Sir Crocodile relevant again

Yeah, I guess that would make Chapter 1057's events a little more justified, as out of nowhere and confusing as it was.

And that Blackbeard confronting Yamato and disabling her devil fruit power with his dark fruit would be poetic, since he did the same thing to her late friend Ace and turned Ace in to his path towards death because of that. Luffy then coming in to save her from Blackbeard's tricks might provide good contrast to Luffy not being around to have saved Ace from Blackbeard back then too.

[theackwardstation]

I can see Yamato becoming a full-fledge SH in the future.

[DynoStretch]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

On the topic of logias, I thought that acid would be a possible option. But then I realized it would pretty much be Akaiunu's fruit minus the heat.

Acid would definitely be a valid devil fruit. I originally thought Big Mom's power was going to be a paramecia type that allows her to dispense sulfuric acid in a similar way to Magellan's poison. It could also work as a logia.

[blackness662]

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I can see Yamato becoming a full-fledge SH in the future.

I can see it too... maximum in the epilogue after all this.
Would anybody care about then?
Probably no.

The OP wikipedia page maybe will get an update later (after the series ends) as as small recompensation for Yamato fans.
But everbody will know then that is not the same.
You are really not real SH nakama if you are shown in the very end, for a few panels.

[Deicide]

At this point, I feel it's more likely for Yamato to form his own crew and go on his own adventure than end up in the Straw Hats.

[Cockycent]

Yamato has to be banished from the capital to start his journey of Wano. Then, he has to o to Udon and beat all the Beast Pirates in submission and make them loyal to Wano. Then, he will make them proper Samurai that makes Udon a great place for rehabilitation. They will still remain in Kairoseki cuffs. Yamato will be 1 of those to reform Wano and it's old ways.

[Seafarer33]

Either way, chances are whatever happens will take place too late to have any real impact for the readers who wanted him as a Nakama.

Yamato will do stuff of course, be it in a cover story or the occasional world review panel or the final war. But it won't ever be the same as if he had been onboard the Sunny and had interacted with the crew, had regular panel time for multiple years and appeared in color spreads.
Personally I was looking forward to all of the above, but what we'll have in the foreseeable future is collectibles and bath towels. Meh.

[King Cannon]

@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Hakase
The problem with wind/storm/air is that we already have a gas fruit and a electricity fruit.

(I wonder what’s Dragon’s power… maybe a weather paramecia or a mythical zoan?)

As long as Caesar is incapable of making tornadoes and gusts, a wind logia is super valid.

There are also a bunch of natural elements that can still be used as logias: clouds, acid, soil/earth, water (if Oda wants to make a special logia), salt, tar...

[electricmastro]

@blackness662 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I can see Yamato becoming a full-fledge SH in the future.

I can see it too... maximum in the epilogue after all this.
Would anybody care about then?
Probably no.

The OP wikipedia page maybe will get an update later (after the series ends) as as small recompensation for Yamato fans.
But everbody will know then that is not the same.
You are really not real SH nakama if you are shown in the very end, for a few panels.

I’d see anyone as nakama no matter when they joined. Friendship isn’t based on time after all.

[danie]

@Deicide Well since Yamato insists on doing everything Oden did, she has to join another crew before she joins the straw hat crew.

[Qaaz]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Deicide Well since Yamato insists on doing everything Oden did, she has to join another crew before she joins the straw hat crew.

What if Barto passes by Wano as he runs from Shanks gets Yamato and finds Straw Hats later?

[Deicide]

@danie
Yamato follows Oden’s path because he aims to be like Oden. That does not prevent him to come to his own realizations in his journey.

Besides, Ifeel people are not looking into Yamato’s “reasoning” in 1057 with an analytic mind. There’s a lot o context to at least question if Yamato isn’t hiding his deeper reasons from Momo.

[danie]

@Deicide Sure, but until all of that is acknowledged in the story, I'm going to go by what I've read.

[electricmastro]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Deicide Well since Yamato insists on doing everything Oden did, she has to join another crew before she joins the straw hat crew.

One of multiple things Yamato will have to consider if really wanting to be Oden, yep.

[Ivotas]

Speaking about Oden joining Roger after being part of the Whitebeard Pirates. Was it ever addressed that Roger pretty much broke his promise to Newgate by not returning Oden to him after borrowing him for a year?

[electricmastro]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Speaking about Oden joining Roger after being part of the Whitebeard Pirates. Was it ever addressed that Roger pretty much broke his promise to Newgate by not returning Oden to him after borrowing him for a year?

Oden mentioned Izou was happy on Whitebeard's ship, implying that Oden had talked with Whitebeard again after that "deal for Oden" I suppose. Of course, Roger talked with Whitebeard again too, so I guess must have mentioned that if nothing else.

[Ivotas]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Speaking about Oden joining Roger after being part of the Whitebeard Pirates. Was it ever addressed that Roger pretty much broke his promise to Newgate by not returning Oden to him after borrowing him for a year?

Oden mentioned Izou was happy on Whitebeard's ship, implying that Oden had talked with Whitebeard again after that "deal for Oden" I suppose. Of course, Roger talked with Whitebeard again too, so I guess must have mentioned that if nothing else.

That's true but I find it still lackluster to offscreen this when we considee how outraged Newgate was at the request and that Roger even went so far to lower his head to Whitebeard in front of everyone. I'm not asking for an entire chapter of this, but no panel time at all for sometging that was a huge deal is disappointing.

[theackwardstation]

Roger asked WB to lend Oden, but I feel like the actual transaction at the end of the negociation was that Oden simply left the WB Pirates and joined Roger.

[electricmastro]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Speaking about Oden joining Roger after being part of the Whitebeard Pirates. Was it ever addressed that Roger pretty much broke his promise to Newgate by not returning Oden to him after borrowing him for a year?

Oden mentioned Izou was happy on Whitebeard's ship, implying that Oden had talked with Whitebeard again after that "deal for Oden" I suppose. Of course, Roger talked with Whitebeard again too, so I guess must have mentioned that if nothing else.

That's true but I find it still lackluster to offscreen this when we considee how outraged Newgate was at the request and that Roger even went so far to lower his head to Whitebeard in front of everyone. I'm not asking for an entire chapter of this, but no panel time at all for sometging that was a huge deal is disappointing.

I can understand that. Even saying that Yamato is staying because she's afraid Momo can't defend himself or Wano basically suggests that fear is what's holding Yamato back, and that she has potential to develop and grow past that fear by the time she does catch up with Luffy again. Carrot was left without giving a final answer, so she definitely tells me that just as we have potential to look back to Zou to see how things are, we also have potential to look on Wano verify how content Yamato is with her choice.

[black-leg jex]

Yamato will defo end up on the Straw Hats crew. It would make even less sense to have all that stuff happen in Wano if they just never ended up there. It's just going to be along with Tama, in the epilogue. Sure they might join when the Straw Hats remeet up with the Wanoese people in the final arc but I feel like it doesn't matter that much at the point (and Momo and Kinemon would likely be there as well anyway).

Point is, Yamato will join eventually and stay for the long haul, even if that long haul is all off-screen,

[Shift]

This vid by @StrawHatJedi says a lot about what I was thinking:

[danie]

@Shift You'll aren't giving up until we see her with the other minks huh.

Although once that happens, I guess you'll just say she'll join down the line like Tama supposedly will, right?

[Deicide]

Strawhat Jedi's logic is very good:

• We didn't see Carrot's decision
• Carrot's apparent conclusion does not fit her character arc
• Pedro's will is vague enough to mean "keep going with Luffy"
• We didn't see Carrot's farewell

What's against it is the huge amount of off-screening Wano got, specially in its conclusion.

Under normal circunstances, the chances of Carrot popping up would be overwhelmingly good.

But Wano's ending is just so underwhelmingly put together that it could have been Carrot's conclusion and we are just meant to take it as done.

If she doesn't pop up in the next chapters to clarify either outcome, God knows when her supporters will feel like all the chances have been spent.

[electricmastro]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shift You'll aren't giving up until we see her with the other minks huh.

Although once that happens, I guess you'll just say she'll join down the line like Tama supposedly will, right?

Others want explanation with Carrot about as much as I prob want explanation with Yamato. People just aren't too keen on Carrot being framed as if she was forced to become Zou's new ruler against her will either. Makes me wonder what the scenario would be in case she said no.

[Big Emperor]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

After 2 years of debating, it's really nice to just say "I told you so."

Granted, the reason for why Yamato decided to stay behind is completely inane and dissolves her off any chance of developing as a character, but the simple notion that she was a red herring all along and that I and many others were right in being skeptical makes this kinda worth it.

This. This. All this. Yamato always seemed like a huge red herring being geared more toward Momo than the SHs and it was only Oda's sheer insistence that ever made me give her consideration at all but the way the resolution was actually handled was atrocious. No coming to grips with her Oden fixation. No deciding that what Oden did was a mistake and deciding to branch out. Just "well this would be MORE Oden." Terrible writing. Like Act 3 in general.

But my gosh is it cathartic after all the poop we had to eat for daring to question the absolute certainty of Yamato joining. No flak to those who believed in her joining. Only to those who were unpleasant about dissenting opinions.

Still placing my money on the Carrot stowaway theory. And I can definitely see Inu and Neko laughing for reverse psyching her into it. I'll accept defeat if we don't see her the next time we see the Sunny. Again, she was horribly mistreated (so were a lot of actual SHs) and the 1056 tease was an almost out-of-nowhere resurrection of her chances so it won't be the most satisfying victory (if it happens) but we shall see.

Also agree that Deicide deserves respect for having to fight off all sides.

And I hope Oda just confirms soon if the crew is complete. NN discussion is hallmark of the community but after 25 years I'm ready for it to end.

[electricmastro]

@Big-Emperor said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

No coming to grips with her Oden fixation. No deciding that what Oden did was a mistake and deciding to branch out. Just "well this would be MORE Oden." Terrible writing. Like Act 3 in general.

It's possibly because Momo is being built up to presumably be the "Shanks" in Yamato's life, as it seems that Yamato never interacted with Oden despite admiring him, and that Ushimaru and Ace didn't really seem set-up to share an ultimate dream with Yamato either.

For as much as I would have liked Yamato's impersonation being explored and what the drawbacks would be earlier, evidently it seems that the drawbacks are more likely to come from the Wano citizens than anyone at Onigashima, and that there just simply wasn't enough time to dedicate more to that before needing the Straw Hats to move on for now.

[Shift]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

You'll aren't giving up until we see her with the other minks huh.
Although once that happens, I guess you'll just say she'll join down the line like Tama supposedly will, right?

My wager with @FolhaS extends just until the crew reaches the island after Wano. If they get there and Carrot still hasn't appeared, I'll accept that she's done. Until then, I'll keep my faith in her and Pedro's will.

[electricmastro]

@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

You'll aren't giving up until we see her with the other minks huh.
Although once that happens, I guess you'll just say she'll join down the line like Tama supposedly will, right?

My wager with @FolhaS extends just until the crew reaches the island after Wano. If they get there and Carrot still hasn't appeared, I'll accept that she's done. Until then, I'll keep my faith in her and Pedro's will.

Devil's advocate then, the way Carrot was approached with the leader offer aside, what if Pedro's will does turn out to very much key into being a leader, depending on how relevant it is to the Dawn?

[Shift]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

what if Pedro's will does turn out to very much key into being a leader, depending on how relevant it is to the Dawn?

Pedro was a leader, it's true. He led the Nox Pirates. If it's shown that Carrot truly believes that he would want her to lead Zou and bring the dawn that way, I would accept it.

However, he was a leader in service to the dukes. His leadership was a means to an end with a clear, if broad, goal in mind and the autonomy to go where he needed to go to achieve it. What Carrot is being tasked to do, rule over all the Minks, would not only restrict her to a pretty small location, one that can move but she can't control by choice, but would be a lifelong committment with no real finish line.

Carrot wanted so desperately to see more outside Zou that she jumped onto Luffy’s ship. And now she's being told she's seen enough; that she can go back to Zou and stay there to fulfill her duty. She hasn't decided that. If she's faced with the prospect that the adventure in the outside world is over, I don't think she's going to accept it. Pedro said to move onward, and what that means is up to her. And based on all I've seen, moving onward for her means getting back out into the world and bringing the dawn that way.

[Galleon Panthera]

@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Strawhat Jedi's logic is very good:

• We didn't see Carrot's decision
• Carrot's apparent conclusion does not fit her character arc
• Pedro's will is vague enough to mean "keep going with Luffy"
• We didn't see Carrot's farewell

What's against it is the huge amount of off-screening Wano got, specially in its conclusion.

Under normal circunstances, the chances of Carrot popping up would be overwhelmingly good.

But Wano's ending is just so underwhelmingly put together that it could have been Carrot's conclusion and we are just meant to take it as done.

If she doesn't pop up in the next chapters to clarify either outcome, God knows when her supporters will feel like all the chances have been spent.

I for one wouldn't be happy if Carrot indeed got offscreened like Hyogoro did, and didn't get a conclusion to that answer. It wouldn't be any different from the people that put all their bets on Yamato, only get a tomato splat onto their faces.

That said, to be honest, I have already pretty much given up on any chances of Carrot reappearing, because I can't think of a scenario that calls her to step out of her hiding place.

I love to be surprised though...so who knows?

[Ivotas]

@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Strawhat Jedi's logic is very good:

• We didn't see Carrot's decision
• Carrot's apparent conclusion does not fit her character arc
• Pedro's will is vague enough to mean "keep going with Luffy"
• We didn't see Carrot's farewell

What's against it is the huge amount of off-screening Wano got, specially in its conclusion.

Under normal circunstances, the chances of Carrot popping up would be overwhelmingly good.

But Wano's ending is just so underwhelmingly put together that it could have been Carrot's conclusion and we are just meant to take it as done.

If she doesn't pop up in the next chapters to clarify either outcome, God knows when her supporters will feel like all the chances have been spent.

I for one wouldn't be happy if Carrot indeed got offscreened like Hyogoro did, and didn't get a conclusion to that answer. It wouldn't be any different from the people that put all their bets on Yamato, only get a tomato splat onto their faces.

That said, to be honest, I have already pretty much given up on any chances of Carrot reappearing, because I can't think of a scenario that calls her to step out of her hiding place.

I love to be surprised though...so who knows?

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'd be lying if I'd say I'm not still hoping that she has stowed away a second time. But it also comes across as my just not wanting to let go, so I'm already expecting this not to be the case.

I agree though that she would totally be treated dirty if that was the last we saw of her at this part in the story. For somebody who stowed away on the Sunny and experienced the wonders and dangers of the world for the very first time thanks to and together with the Strawhats, it's totally unforgiveable that we didn't get even a single panel where they say 'bye'.

Everybody who travelled with the Strawhats got a good bye scene be it the very big one with Vivi or a small one with Johnny and Yosaku who said, that they'll be going their own ways again. Carrot definitely deserves a good bye, but Wano really offscreened a lot.

Also the entire King of the Minks thing is a red herring at best and a cop out at worst. It feels totally undeserving and unearned. Not that she's not worth to become king in the future as an adult. But right now it comes totally out of the left field as if Oda has to conclude her arc somehow by giving her something (that's the copout). Of course the chances are that it's a red herring to throw the readers off because by the time it was brought up Oda still went Yamato route.

Either way, the entire king thing rubbs me the wrong way. It hasn't even to do with Carrot not joining. I just find it totally unfair to her. She also wanted to see the wonders of the world, just like Yamato. And while Carrot got some glimpses of Tottoland and Wano, there's still far more out there. Ok, she has already seen more different islands than Yamato but a) Yamato is free to leave and b) for Yamato experiencing Wano is already a completely new experience from being imprisoned in Onigashima. Carrot on the other hand now has to stay behind at Zou so that Inu and Neko can be at Wano. That's a very selfish dick move from the two.

Strawhat or not, I'd be happy if the girl actually rejected that offer and revived the Nox Pirates. That would fit her adventurous free spirit more than staying behind to rule a country. It's already rough to have a child like Momo rule a country but that was his birthright and he's always been prepared to do this, no matter how hard it is. But for Carrot it's "oh by the way, you're the new ruler of the country (so that you can stay chained here, while we are hanging around with our Sake loving frinds in Wano)". Not happy about that development at all.

[electricmastro]

@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Pedro was a leader, it's true. He led the Nox Pirates. If it's shown that Carrot truly believes that he would want her to lead Zou and bring the dawn that way, I would accept it.

However, he was a leader in service to the dukes. His leadership was a means to an end with a clear, if broad, goal in mind and the autonomy to go where he needed to go to achieve it. What Carrot is being tasked to do, rule over all the Minks, would not only restrict her to a pretty small location, one that can move but she can't control by choice, but would be a lifelong committment with no real finish line.

Carrot wanted so desperately to see more outside Zou that she jumped onto Luffy’s ship. And now she's being told she's seen enough; that she can go back to Zou and stay there to fulfill her duty. She hasn't decided that. If she's faced with the prospect that the adventure in the outside world is over, I don't think she's going to accept it. Pedro said to move onward, and what that means is up to her. And based on all I've seen, moving onward for her means getting back out into the world and bringing the dawn that way.

Well if Yamato can change her mind about sailing out quickly, then I suppose Carrot can also change her mind about sailing the world, since she does always care about her fellow minks.

The Carrot in Chapter 1056 definitely isn't the same as the Carrot in Chapter 804, so maybe it's possible it has been enough time that she has changed her mind, maybe she hasn't. Once again, I'll have to see for myself.

[Ivotas]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Pedro was a leader, it's true. He led the Nox Pirates. If it's shown that Carrot truly believes that he would want her to lead Zou and bring the dawn that way, I would accept it.

However, he was a leader in service to the dukes. His leadership was a means to an end with a clear, if broad, goal in mind and the autonomy to go where he needed to go to achieve it. What Carrot is being tasked to do, rule over all the Minks, would not only restrict her to a pretty small location, one that can move but she can't control by choice, but would be a lifelong committment with no real finish line.

Carrot wanted so desperately to see more outside Zou that she jumped onto Luffy’s ship. And now she's being told she's seen enough; that she can go back to Zou and stay there to fulfill her duty. She hasn't decided that. If she's faced with the prospect that the adventure in the outside world is over, I don't think she's going to accept it. Pedro said to move onward, and what that means is up to her. And based on all I've seen, moving onward for her means getting back out into the world and bringing the dawn that way.

Well if Yamato can change her mind about sailing out quickly, then I suppose Carrot can also change her mind about sailing the world, since she does always care about her fellow minks.

The Carrot in Chapter 1056 definitely isn't the same as the Carrot in Chapter 804, so maybe it's possible it has been enough time that she has changed her mind, maybe she hasn't. Once again, I'll have to see for myself.

I just hope Carrot says "screw you guys, I'm creating my own band pirate crew" and just set's sail. Even if she is not the same Carrot from chapter 804 anymore, she definitely is not the ruler of a kingdom. Unlike with Momonosuke it's not a wanted or asked for, nor something that benefits her in any shape or form. If she ever would have declared the desire to one time rule the kingdom it'd be a different story. But as things are now Inu and Neko pretty much chain her to the country. And I don't use the term "chain" lightly because if the role of ruler was not something that requires you to stay at the Kingdom then Inu and Neko wouldn't have to step down from their position in the first place.

[Galleon Panthera]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Strawhat Jedi's logic is very good:

• We didn't see Carrot's decision
• Carrot's apparent conclusion does not fit her character arc
• Pedro's will is vague enough to mean "keep going with Luffy"
• We didn't see Carrot's farewell

What's against it is the huge amount of off-screening Wano got, specially in its conclusion.

Under normal circunstances, the chances of Carrot popping up would be overwhelmingly good.

But Wano's ending is just so underwhelmingly put together that it could have been Carrot's conclusion and we are just meant to take it as done.

If she doesn't pop up in the next chapters to clarify either outcome, God knows when her supporters will feel like all the chances have been spent.

I for one wouldn't be happy if Carrot indeed got offscreened like Hyogoro did, and didn't get a conclusion to that answer. It wouldn't be any different from the people that put all their bets on Yamato, only get a tomato splat onto their faces.

That said, to be honest, I have already pretty much given up on any chances of Carrot reappearing, because I can't think of a scenario that calls her to step out of her hiding place.

I love to be surprised though...so who knows?

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'd be lying if I'd say I'm not still hoping that she has stowed away a second time. But it also comes across as my just not wanting to let go, so I'm already expecting this not to be the case.

I agree though that she would totally be treated dirty if that was the last we saw of her at this part in the story. For somebody who stowed away on the Sunny and experienced the wonders and dangers of the world for the very first time thanks to and together with the Strawhats, it's totally unforgiveable that we didn't get even a single panel where they say 'bye'.

Everybody who travelled with the Strawhats got a good bye scene be it the very big one with Vivi or a small one with Johnny and Yosaku who said, that they'll be going their own ways again. Carrot definitely deserves a good bye, but Wano really offscreened a lot.

Also the entire King of the Minks thing is a red herring at best and a cop out at worst. It feels totally undeserving and unearned. Not that she's not worth to become king in the future as an adult. But right now it comes totally out of the left field as if Oda has to conclude her arc somehow by giving her something (that's the copout). Of course the chances are that it's a red herring to throw the readers off because by the time it was brought up Oda still went Yamato route.

Either way, the entire king thing rubbs me the wrong way. It hasn't even to do with Carrot not joining. I just find it totally unfair to her. She also wanted to see the wonders of the world, just like Yamato. And while Carrot got some glimpses of Tottoland and Wano, there's still far more out there. Ok, she has already seen more different islands than Yamato but a) Yamato is free to leave and b) for Yamato experiencing Wano is already a completely new experience from being imprisoned in Onigashima. Carrot on the other hand now has to stay behind at Zou so that Inu and Neko can be at Wano. That's a very selfish dick move from the two.

Strawhat or not, I'd be happy if the girl actually rejected that offer and revived the Nox Pirates. That would fit her adventurous free spirit more than staying behind to rule a country. It's already rough to have a child like Momo rule a country but that was his birthright and he's always been prepared to do this, no matter how hard it is. But for Carrot it's "oh by the way, you're the new ruler of the country (so that you can stay chained here, while we are hanging around with our Sake loving frinds in Wano)". Not happy about that development at all.

Oh I agree with the idea its a cop out, and that Neko and Inu are dumbasses at best, given they should know by now how Carrot values the Straw Hats. They have Wanda and loudmouth Shishilan to do their thing if they like to stay on Wano so much...which on itself is selfish.

If they can be that selfish, then Carrot can be so too. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea she can get to become Queen of Zou....but not like this. Something like this, has to be rightfully earned, and if people think that she doesn't earn to be a Straw Hat....she's even less quailified to be royality out of nowhere.

I mean, holy hell, we are talking about a girl who mistakes natural lightning for Electro.

On that said, I don't see her creating a crew or reviving the Nox Pirates. It requires leadership quailities. Quailities she doesn't have, or else her "promotion" would have made sense.

Now maybe Oda is planning some wacked out scene for her to join....maybe at a Full Moon scenario where they are in a dangerous situation, so all the Straw Hats can see her Sulong form in action....given only Chopper, Nami, Brook and Jinbei saw it, and not the rest, like Luffy, who hasn't seen any Sulongs at all, but that is really the only thing I can think up reasonably why she hasn't yet showed herself, just yet.

If so, I'd prefer this a lot, so its not just a simple stowaway action.

What I find so special about Carrot's Sulong form, is that it doesn't just make her faster and stronger, but she also gets a growth spurt and gets a more adult voice, as compared to her jolly, youthful self.

[electricmastro]

Given all this talk about red herrings and mis-direction and all that, I get the feeling Oda possibly might have put this here as a hint of things to come for the crew, but also put in right near Chapter 1057 to encourage people to keep guessing about Yamato's fate, so I get the feeling Yamato will be in many discussions even as far as 50 chapters after Wano has ended.

[electricmastro]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Pedro was a leader, it's true. He led the Nox Pirates. If it's shown that Carrot truly believes that he would want her to lead Zou and bring the dawn that way, I would accept it.

However, he was a leader in service to the dukes. His leadership was a means to an end with a clear, if broad, goal in mind and the autonomy to go where he needed to go to achieve it. What Carrot is being tasked to do, rule over all the Minks, would not only restrict her to a pretty small location, one that can move but she can't control by choice, but would be a lifelong committment with no real finish line.

Carrot wanted so desperately to see more outside Zou that she jumped onto Luffy’s ship. And now she's being told she's seen enough; that she can go back to Zou and stay there to fulfill her duty. She hasn't decided that. If she's faced with the prospect that the adventure in the outside world is over, I don't think she's going to accept it. Pedro said to move onward, and what that means is up to her. And based on all I've seen, moving onward for her means getting back out into the world and bringing the dawn that way.

Well if Yamato can change her mind about sailing out quickly, then I suppose Carrot can also change her mind about sailing the world, since she does always care about her fellow minks.

The Carrot in Chapter 1056 definitely isn't the same as the Carrot in Chapter 804, so maybe it's possible it has been enough time that she has changed her mind, maybe she hasn't. Once again, I'll have to see for myself.

I just hope Carrot says "screw you guys, I'm creating my own band pirate crew" and just set's sail. Even if she is not the same Carrot from chapter 804 anymore, she definitely is not the ruler of a kingdom.

Carrot was a Kingsbird along with Wanda, so I'd have to figure that was the lead up to Carrot being rulers with her if anything. I'm just saying it's possible after all.