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    Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

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    • electricmastro
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      Even Jinbe, his joining may have been rocky indeed but he got special moments with the crew every time he appeared. The Amazon Lily scene with Luffy, Nami forgiving him, the blood transfusion, him quitting Big Mom's crew at the tea party and then taking the helm of the ship for the entirety of a long chase scene…
      Yamato got nothing comparable to that. Yamato's mostly gotten text, to be honest.
      The text is there for sure though, but... Eh, I'm remaining skeptical for now

      Yeah, because most of those weren't done in the heat of battle. Luffy's crew was trying to escape Big Mom with Jinbe whereas Yamato just so happens to meet with Luffy just as Luffy was trying to confront Kaido.

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      @Rean:

      he is a last-minute idea from Oda after all.

      heh, how could it be last minute when ace channeled yamato's words when giving the vivre card to luffy

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      @Daz:

      Yamato joining as is would be like if Brook had announced his intentions to join, and then spent almost all of Thriller Bark palling around with Lola in the woods before joining at the end.

      Actually, I don't recall Brook interacting with Luffy that much at Thriller Bark. It was really just at the beginning and end, with him mainly confronting Ryuma, giving some assists here and there, and standing by while he watched Luffy take down Moria.

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      @Alfiere:

      Keeping the Franky parallel

      Funny that you happen to mention that.

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      @Daz:

      I can amend it to Yamato joining is like you have Brook meet Luffy only, say he wants to join, then take out every single bit of Brook having fun interplay with the crew and his status as unquestioned emotional focal point of the arc and swap them for Brook running back and forth across Thriller Bark playing support for other characters and Very Important Errands until the climax was done, then Brook joins.

      Its not that Yamato hasn't had anything to do, its that it feels like it hasn't been a top priority to showcase Yamato as the character of Wano, to center his story specifically.

      Well again, Robin wasn't a main focus of Alabasta despite her childhood bounty and poneglyph reading being made apparent, so nothing to worry about if you ask me.

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      @Zanze:

      Thing is, even though the character was introduced kinda suddenly, as of now there was plenty of space to explore Yamato better. He had a lot of screentime.

      Have him interact with the crew, make him more central to Luffy's motivations for taking down Kaido, give him a proper flashback more in line with the actual standards.

      Yeah, makes me excited to see how the arc progresses from here.

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      @Zanze:

      Even the Oden thing was kinda dropped.
      It all felt a little artificial, I don't know how to say it

      Maybe that is part of the possible intent of having her gradually drop her Oden persona, and just be Yamato and stay true to herself, because people shouldn't have to burden themselves by taking on more identities and constantly living up to their expectations and views either, even if they do admire them a lot.

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        @Coookie:

        Except for the facts that the Okuchi no Makami is nowhere to be found across Wano, i.e. no prior mention or statues or anything to indicate it's an important deity for any Wanoese, that it's a guardian deity that is easily replaceable by educated and strong people, and that the point was made by the villain of the entire saga.

        I can see the argument for most of these things also, my goal isn't to dispute them. It's true, Kaido can be misinformed about the fruit but given his stature within the world of one piece, he can also be telling the truth. Not to mention, recent revelations suggests that the fruit chose Yamato - someone who genuinely cares for Wano.

        Although I don't think being Wano's "guardian" necessarily means or confirms that Yamato has to stay on Wano, I can understand how people may have doubts because of the fruit as it is a valid point.

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          Well, it's simple. Kaido wanted whoever he originally had in mind to replace Orochi to eat the guardian deity fruit just as a facade - masquerade as Wano's protector while actually acting as its oppressor (that was clever from Oda, authoritian regimes do this kind of stuff all the time).
          While Yamato eating the fruit means that he will actually act as Wano's protector. He already did, in fact.

          Now protecting Wano could even mean sail with the Straw Hats and unlock the One Piece's secret… I think the guardian deity thing is kind of a moot point, it can fit either way

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            The whole Wano guardian DF is negated by Yamato’s want to leave and identifying with Oden who was suppose to be the shogun of Wano and you know protect it.

            Not to mention no real storyline pointing to Yamato completely switching all of his desires.

            If you actually thought yeah Yamato might still end up doing what Kaido wants even after their confrontation and Yamato’s act of defiance.

            Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

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              @Zik:

              If you actually thought yeah Yamato might still end up doing what Kaido wants even after their confrontation and Yamato’s act of defiance.

              Yamato actually protecting Wano is not what Kaido wants anyways. He wanted his shogun puppet to have that fruit as a symbolic thing to enforce his regime (see how they were already brainwashing kids), not for actually protecting Wano (as in, Wano's citizens).
              I really don't get what you guys mean with this whole discourse.

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                @Rean:

                So it's gonna be "I either have it correct or the writing is bad because I connected the pieces incorrectly"?

                That’s basically always how it is. I notice this in all types of fiction being discussed online.

                When somebody is wrong it isn’t cuz they got it wrong it’s cuz the writer has suddenly become trash at storytelling. Never mind the fact that they simply just couldn’t see the signs that have been repeated. This time it’s not them it’s the author.

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                @Zanze:

                Yamato actually protecting Wano is not what Kaido wants anyways. He wanted his shogun puppet to have that fruit as a symbolic thing to enforce his regime (see how they were already brainwashing kids), not for actually protecting Wano (as in, Wano's citizens).
                I really don't get what you guys mean with this whole discourse.

                What Kaido wants is for Yamato to be a puppet shogun as he continues to enslave them.

                When I say do what Kaido wants I’m talking about his general stance of you will have no friends and you will be stuck in Wano doing what I want.

                That’s the part that’s not going to actually happen.

                Also given my stance I don’t see Yamato doing anything that resembles what Kaido wanted. I’m not entirely sure what’s hard to get about the discourse.
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                I just realised that upon dawn Yamato will be laying his eyes on Wano for the first time in 20 years, and he never saw the devastation caused by Orochi and Kaido.

                I wonder if and how that will be addressed in the story…

                When was it ever said Yamato had never seen Wano in the 20 years he’s been there?

                He’s been stuck there but it wasn’t like he was chained up in a cell unable to see daylight.

                Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                Last.fm

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                  @Zik:

                  When was it ever said Yamato had never seen Wano in the 20 years he’s been there?

                  He’s been stuck there but it wasn’t like he was chained up in a cell unable to see daylight.

                  You are kidding, right?

                  This is how Onigashima appears from the closest shore to it.

                  It's not like Yamato can just look at Wano in the distance and truly see the extent of the damage Kaido caused the country.

                  Yamato didn't eat Viola's fruit, you know…

                  But now Yamato is right in front of the capital and dawn is coming.

                  Flower capital then:

                  Flower capital now:

                  Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                    @Zik:

                    When I say do what Kaido wants I’m talking about his general stance of you will have no friends and you will be stuck in Wano doing what I want.

                    That's not going to happen either way. Even if Yamato stays in Wano it's going to be as a free choice and he's going to have friends and not do anything of what Kaido wanted.
                    A free Wano with Yamato there makes Kaido happier than a free Wano with Yamato elsewhere? That's what I don't get…

                    I don't think he's staying in Wano anyways

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                      @Deicide:

                      You are kidding, right?

                      This is how Onigashima appears from the closest shore to it.

                      [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/jdmi6sR.png[/qimg]

                      It's not like Yamato can just look at Wano in the distance and truly see the extent of the damage Kaido caused the country.

                      Yamato didn't eat Viola's fruit, you know…

                      So it was never actually said in the story or implied he hasn’t then

                      If a pic of a shore during a storm at night from Onigashima is the support for you wondering about this I wouldn’t expect much going forward.

                      @Zanze:

                      That's not going to happen either way. Even if Yamato stays in Wano it's going to be as a free choice and he's going to have friends and not do anything of what Kaido wanted.
                      A free Wano with Yamato there makes Kaido happier than a free Wano with Yamato elsewhere? That's what I don't get…

                      I don't think he's staying in Wano anyways

                      I don’t think anything close to what Kaido wanted for Yamato will happen at all.

                      Wanting to leave is one the two most important things Yamato wants. He’s currently doing/done the second thing by fighting to free Wano and helping to get Kaido out of there.

                      Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                      Last.fm

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                        @Zik:

                        So it was never actually said in the story or implied he hasn’t then

                        If a pic of a shore during a storm at night from Onigashima is the support for you wondering about this I wouldn’t expect much going forward.

                        Onigashima is gigantic and yet it appears small in the horizon. You can't even see the lower parts of the island, and likewise the shore of Wano would be just a small line in the horizon.

                        From there, Yamato never had sight of the Flower Capital.

                        The last he saw of the Capital was this:

                        But now he's right in front of the capital for the first time in 20 years, and dawn is coming. This is what he will see:

                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                          @Mike:

                          I can see the argument for most of these things also, my goal isn't to dispute them. It's true, Kaido can be misinformed about the fruit but given his stature within the world of one piece, he can also be telling the truth. Not to mention, recent revelations suggests that the fruit chose Yamato - someone who genuinely cares for Wano.

                          Although I don't think being Wano's "guardian" necessarily means or confirms that Yamato has to stay on Wano, I can understand how people may have doubts because of the fruit as it is a valid point.

                          I've no problem with people taking in the speculation of Yamato staying in Wano for the rest of her life serving the shogun because her fruit was obligated by the heavens to do so. That said, people should also be willing to considering taking in examples suggested to them, and not be too quick to dismiss them as exceptions, like the case of Chaka being a self-proclaimed guardian as a jackal, which I don't recall anyone else casually bringing up.

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                            @Deicide:

                            Onigashima is gigantic and yet it appears small in the horizon. You can't even see the lower parts of the island, and likewise the shore of Wano would be just a small line in the horizon.

                            From there, Yamato never had sight of the Flower Capital.

                            The last he saw of the Capital was this:
                            [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/kGJ19WH.png[/qimg]

                            But now he's right in front of the capital for the first time in 20 years, and dawn is coming. This is what he will see:
                            [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/Acsc2Qh.png[/qimg]

                            I get that you think it is important based on the assumption but there’s nothing implying that it is important or that it is the case he hasn’t ever seen Wano for 20 years.

                            Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                            Last.fm

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                              @Zik:

                              I get that you think it is important based on the assumption but there’s nothing implying that it is important

                              I said I want to see if/how the story will address it, because it may be important depending on how it's addressed.

                              or that it is the case he hasn’t ever seen Wano for 20 years.

                              He hasn't. He has been in Onigashima for the last 20 years. The most he saw of Wano was a shore in the horizon.

                              Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                @Deicide:

                                I said I want to see if/how the story will address it, because it may be important depending on how it's addressed.

                                And I’m saying I don’t see any reason for why this is an actual thing for it to even be addressed

                                He hasn't.

                                This is an assumption that you believe to be true and the basis for this story beat your making up.

                                Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?

                                Last.fm

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                                  @Zik:

                                  This is an assumption that you believe to be true and the basis for this story beat your making up.

                                  What's your problem? It's an established fact in the story!

                                  He's been imprisoned in Onigashima since eight years old. He's 28 years old now.

                                  I don't understand this need to question info that is flat-out told in the story.

                                  Kaido says his DF is a guardian spirit of Wano. "No, Kaido is unreliable, I don't believe it."
                                  Yamato says he's been imprisoned in Onigashima since 8-years old. "No, it's an assumption you are making up."

                                  Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                    Looks like we'll be getting into Yamato's fate going forward soon enough.

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                                      Holy crap, I'm back in this bitch!!

                                      Check out my podcast for conversations about Greatness in anime, sports, music, and whatever else we can think of.

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                                        20 characters of Home sweet home.

                                        Not even Naruto resorted to time travel

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                                          Polls are gone, that's unfortunate. For the record, I voted "yes" on Yamato joining.

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                                            @Shift
                                            With Arlong Park's url change vol.1-8 links no longer work. Here are those posts new url's.
                                            Vol. 1 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/11357/the-next-new-nakama
                                            Vol. 2 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/17017/the-next-new-nakama-part-2
                                            Vol. 3 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/19919/next-crew-member-speculation-ver-3-0
                                            Vol. 4 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/24898/next-crewmate-discussion-vol-4
                                            Vol. 5 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/26653/last-two-nakamates-vol-5
                                            Vol. 6 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/34248/next-strawhat-crewmate-vol-6
                                            Vol. 7 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/42866/next-straw-hat-crewmates-vol-7-wano
                                            Vol. 8 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/41186/next-straw-hat-crewmates-vol-8-onigashima
                                            for even more reading
                                            Franky vs. Paulie - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/94/untitled
                                            Franky Versus Paulie 2 - https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/2477/untitled

                                            Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, oh-ho...

                                            Set sail for One Piece!
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                                            In the Grand Line!
                                            Ya-yo, ya-yo...
                                            Set sail for One Piece!

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                                              Yamato vs The world indeed.

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                                                This thread has no purpose any more. No new character will join. At most Vivi.

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                                                  And we're back! Poll's gone, but I voted 'no'. And like Shift, I still believe Carrot is going to join.

                                                  Also Vivi will return and Smoker will join.

                                                  Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

                                                  "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

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                                                    @Vongola_Boss_XI Let's all hope that doesn't happen.

                                                    Remember, remember, the 5th of November

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                                                      Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

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                                                        Tama was given an offer. Dunno how people feel about that but she could be considered crew material for the endgame if she can figure out ninjutsu if/when the time the Straw Hats go back to Wano to open those borders.

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                                                        Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                          @Robby NOOOOOOOOOO
                                                          I REALLY WANT TO FLEX FOR VOTING NO ON YAMATO JOINING!

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                                                            Remember folks, that while there are spoilers in the wild, that spoilers should not enter this thread.

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                                                              @Gizmo so, that would mean before the end game there'd need to be another time skip? Personally I don't see what purpose that would serve.

                                                              Remember, remember, the 5th of November

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                                                                @flandrian15 not necessarily a time skip, but you can learn some ninja moves in a couple weeks/months. I can imagine Tama knowing something by the time the endgame comes around.

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                                                                Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                                  @Gizmo She's only 8. Against the beast pirates she had some use but I don't see the SH's carrying an 8yo into all out war. At least no willingly.

                                                                  Remember, remember, the 5th of November

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                                                                    Everyone can feel differently of course. Absent the forum, I posted a thread on Twitter last week about Yamato. While things were starting to look up for her right after the battle, Oda didn't really take the time to develop her character in a way that I think leads toward sailing away. Essentially, I thought either Yamato would need to carve out her own identity or find a way to extend / build on Oden's legacy aboard Thousand Sunny. Like, even seeking information about the opening of the borders for Momo's sake would've made sense.

                                                                    Oda also hasn't really deepened Yamato's bonds with the crew over the past 7 chapters since their meeting - which is an odd choice. Her trauma is rooted in being deprived any meaningful friendship. She grew up isolated and Kaido killed anyone who even showed her kindness. Tales of the Straw Hats, just like Oden's journal, offered her a beacon of hope that she would someday find the friends and freedom she was seeking. Which, you would think Oda would have then taken the opportunity to deepen Yamato's friendship with the Straw Hats. From a writing perspective, Oda connected Yamato to the idea of the Straw Hats much more than the actual people / characters. It makes the relationship still feel one-sided.

                                                                    I'm not saying there isn't a bond there at all or that they aren't friends, but Oda has just... not deepened that connection at all in recent chapters.

                                                                    Chapter 1056 ended on an ambiguous / uncertain note. Yamato said she made a decision, to live the way Kozuki Oden did. This phrasing is intentionally vague, but makes me less inclined to think Yamato is about to leave Wano. Making a decision implies a change or shift in perspective. Yamato already wanted to live the way Kozuki Oden did, so that's not a new development. This implies Yamato has seemingly reconsidered what it means to 'live the way Oden did.' We know what Yamato wanted / desired previously, to sail away with the Straw Hats. So, logically, that would imply she now wants something different.

                                                                    Now, there's another layer here where I think 'sailing with Luffy' and 'joining the crew' could be separate matters. The Straw Hats didn't say farewel to Momo and Kinemon, their two closest friends on Wano. While it's hard to make sense of this apparent snub, I can't help but think they didn't say goodbye because they already consider them 'part of the crew,' much like Vivi. Luffy already made a promise to Tama, and as I've said in earlier iterations of this thread, freedom means having a choice. Stay or go, Yamato is already free.

                                                                    Throughout the Onigashima raid, Yamato forged a real, meaningful friendship - with Momonosuke. That deep need in her life is now filled. Again, doesn't mean she isn't also friends with Luffy and crew. Just that those bonds are now secondary to her connection with Momo and Wano. Especially given that she doesn't seem to be hanging up the Oden costume anytime soon.

                                                                    This is something I brought up in my twitter thread last week, but I do wonder if Luffy could come collect some of those 'eventual Straw Hats' after he discovers the last Road Ponglyph and before he heads toward Laugh Tale.

                                                                    The New Dawn is fast approaching and I suspect the final war to liberate the world post-One Piece is going to be a substantial portion of the story. We now know Wano's borders need to be opened just as Fishman Island needs to be destroyed as a part of this final war, so Wano will certainly be revisited and at that time, it's walls and its people no longer need protection - they need to fight by the side of the Pirate King.

                                                                    So, I really don't interpret Yamato staying behind, if my speculation turns out to be correct, as a prison sentence. Yamato forming an actual attachment to Momo and Wano, not just the fantasy of a friendship, is a representation of her having achieved freedom from Kaido's shadow. Her father is no longer there to take away the people who care about her. And she's still going to see the world, it just may not e fore a few months in-story. How many years of publication that amounts to ... well, that's another matter.

                                                                    As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                    Just like the intentional ambiguity of Yamato declaring she wants to 'live the way Kozuki Oden did,' Carrot's scene feels like setup for a later subversion of some kind. Yamato has repeatedly said, very plainly, that she wants to leave with Luffy, so switching to the ambiguous phrase, 'live the way Kozuki Oden did,' at the eleventh hour, indicates she changed her mind. Ultimately, I think this means that in some way, Yamato has changed her mind about what it is to live the way Oden did. Personally, I think Green Bull's incursion raised doubts in Yamato's mind about leaving. While Momo's reason for keeping Yamato out of the fight was commendable, I think he inadvertently made the opposite point of what he intended. Because ultimately, Momo and the scabbards weren't able to fend off Ryokugyu. It was Shanks' overwhelming conqueror's haki which drove him away. I think t's safe to say Yamato is substantially stronger than any of the other scabbards and Momo at this point. So, if anything, Momo's tearful insistence that he can't rely on those who will soon be leaving had the opposite effect from what he intended. Yamato didn't have any qualms about leaving previously, so leaving Wano defenseless isn't something Yamato was already wresting with. Meaning, Momo introduced, rather than resolved an internal conflict for Yamato. Which, again, is a strange choice on Oda's part if Yamato is intended to sail away next week. Why create this struggle for Yamato so close to the end of the arc, only to resolve it off panel with her arriving at the same exact conclusion.

                                                                    Ultimately, I don't think it's any small coincidence chapter 1056 featured scenes with all of the popular choices for Straw Hat candidates - Yamato, Carrot, Momo, Kinemon, and Tama. Tama has already been put on the waiting list, so now it's a matter of wrapping things up for the rest.

                                                                    I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                    The Jinbei toast was delayed for a reason and I don't think the Fire Festival celebration is a suitable substitute. Robin, and more importantly, Jinbei, weren't even present for that scene. There have been four previous toasts for new crew members - in chapters 41, 154, 439, and 489. In each instance, the entire crew at the time was present, and the celebration took place aboard the ship as they departed.

                                                                    If the toast only welcomes Jinbei into the crew, it would seem pointless to delay it in chapter 977. So, I wouldn't be surprised if any combination of Yamato, Carrot, Momo, and Kinemon are accepted as crewmembers, even if some or all of them don't join the Straw Hats on their adventures, at least for the time being.

                                                                    To be clear, I'm not ruling out the possibility of Yamato leaving with the crew. I've never said it's an impossibility, even if I attempted to explain, exhaustively, why I don't think it's a certainty over the past couple years. There have always been, and still are, a lot of points in favor of Yamato joining, but there are a lot of writing choices on Oda's part that still just don't add up. So while right now, my gut is that Yamato isn't going to leave, at least for the time being, I still won't say it's impossible. I thought the needle started to move on her actually joining / leaving after chapters 1050 / 1051, still not certain of course, but the development in the subsequent chapters and particularly the battle scene in 1055 and the cliffhanger at the end of 1056 have really reinforced and solidified my earlier doubts.

                                                                    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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                                                                      @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                      Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                      You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

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                                                                      As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                      I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                      This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

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                                                                        @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                        @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                        Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                        You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                        @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                        As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                        I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                        This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                        Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                        As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

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                                                                          @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                          @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                          @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                          Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                          You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                          @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                          As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                          I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                          This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                          Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                          As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                          Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                          She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

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                                                                            @Gizmo said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                            Tama was given an offer. Dunno how people feel about that but she could be considered crew material for the endgame if she can figure out ninjutsu if/when the time the Straw Hats go back to Wano to open those borders.

                                                                            Makes more sense since Tama pretty much admitted she wasn’t trained enough as a ninja and that Luffy evidently wasn’t interested enough to take on apprentices. Will still be cool to have a ninja on the crew at some point though.

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                                                                              Exactly, it's not just the nature of the role, but also the way the scene was written.

                                                                              Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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                                                                                @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

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                                                                                  @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                                                  @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                                                  @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                  Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                  You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                  @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                  As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                  I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                  This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                  Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                  As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                  Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                  She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                  As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                  Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                  Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                  I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                  More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                  She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                  It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                  One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed Kaido for it.

                                                                                  When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                  When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here. If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

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                                                                                    I summarized some of my thoughts about Carrot / Pedro in this video recently:

                                                                                    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

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                                                                                      @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                      You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                      @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                      As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                      I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                      This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                      Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                      As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                      Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                      She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                      As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                      Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                      Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                      I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                      More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                      She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                      It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                      One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed it.

                                                                                      When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                      When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here.

                                                                                      If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                      Kaido never gave Yamato a choice to say no, whereas Carrot is being given a choice, and can even become the captain of her own crew like Pedro did if she wanted to too, being free to sail them like how Pedro was.

                                                                                      Carrot can always say no of course, but while Chapter 1056 didn't have her final answer be yes, it didn't show her final answer be no either. So of course, we'll have to see how her thought process plays out from here in regards to the situation with Zou.

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                                                                                        @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                        You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                        @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                        As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                        I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                        This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                        Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                        As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                        Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                        She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                        As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                        Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                        Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                        I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                        More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                        She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                        It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                        One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed it.

                                                                                        When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                        When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here.

                                                                                        If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                        Kaido never gave Yamato a choice to say no, whereas Carrot is being given a choice, and can even become the captain of her own crew like Pedro did if she wanted to too, being free to sail them like how Pedro was.

                                                                                        Carrot can always say no of course, but while Chapter 1056 didn't have her final answer be yes, it didn't show her final answer be no either. So of course, we'll have to see how her thought process plays out from here in regards to the situation with Zou.

                                                                                        This exactly. Sure, the Kaido thing was forced, hence the comparison. The fact that the scene with Carrot wasn't given a resolution is just odd.

                                                                                        Now, granted, there was another two day timeskip, so who knows how things play from here. That is one thing no one really knows at the moment.

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                                                                                          @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                          You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                          @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                          As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                          I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                          This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                          Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                          As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                          Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                          She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                          As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                          Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                          Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                          I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                          More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                          She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                          It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                          One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed it.

                                                                                          When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                          When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here.

                                                                                          If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                          Kaido never gave Yamato a choice to say no, whereas Carrot is being given a choice, and can even become the captain of her own crew like Pedro did if she wanted to too, being free to sail them like how Pedro was.

                                                                                          Carrot can always say no of course, but while Chapter 1056 didn't have her final answer be yes, it didn't show her final answer be no either. So of course, we'll have to see how her thought process plays out from here in regards to the situation with Zou.

                                                                                          This exactly. Sure, the Kaido thing was forced, hence the comparison. The fact that the scene with Carrot wasn't given a resolution is just odd.

                                                                                          Now, granted, there was another two day timeskip, so who knows how things play from here. That is one thing no one really knows at the moment.

                                                                                          Inu and Neko aren't forcing things like Kaido though.

                                                                                          Regardless, of course this could also be set-up for Carrot to abandon the whole thing and stow away on the Sunny. If she does, I'm sure her relationship with Luffy would become more developed from there, because in spite of the ear-bitting with Luffy, her Sulong form defeating some of Big Mom's ships, and her dramatic scene with Pedro, I was never particularly attached to her, but still acknowledge her potential for growth though.

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                                                                                            @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            @BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                            You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

                                                                                            @StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                            As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                            I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                            This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                            Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                            As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                            Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                            She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                            As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                            Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                            Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                            I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                            More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                            She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                            It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                            One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed it.

                                                                                            When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                            When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here.

                                                                                            If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                            Kaido never gave Yamato a choice to say no, whereas Carrot is being given a choice, and can even become the captain of her own crew like Pedro did if she wanted to too, being free to sail them like how Pedro was.

                                                                                            Carrot can always say no of course, but while Chapter 1056 didn't have her final answer be yes, it didn't show her final answer be no either. So of course, we'll have to see how her thought process plays out from here in regards to the situation with Zou.

                                                                                            This exactly. Sure, the Kaido thing was forced, hence the comparison. The fact that the scene with Carrot wasn't given a resolution is just odd.

                                                                                            Now, granted, there was another two day timeskip, so who knows how things play from here. That is one thing no one really knows at the moment.

                                                                                            Inu and Neko aren't forcing things like Kaido though.

                                                                                            Regardless, of course this could also be set-up for Carrot to abandon the whole thing and stow away on the Sunny. If she does, I'm sure her relationship with Luffy would become more developed from there, because in spite of the ear-bitting with Luffy, her Sulong form defeating some of Big Mom's ships, and her dramatic scene with Pedro, I was never particularly attached to her, but still acknowledge her potential for growth though.

                                                                                            That has become a major possibility since that chapter and that particular scene. But I agree with the rest that if she does end up joining Luffy's crew, she will have more chance to be developed and actually earn her place as future ruler of Zou.

                                                                                            But right now....no, she's too naive still to be handed the keys to the dukedom.

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                                                                                              Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.

                                                                                              You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.

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                                                                                              As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.

                                                                                              I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".

                                                                                              This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.

                                                                                              Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.

                                                                                              As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.

                                                                                              Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                              She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.

                                                                                              As I understand it, Pedro became a leader in his own right of other minks for the sake of the Dawn. Neko and Inu also know that Momo is mentally an 8 year old who gained courage to lead a whole nation, so I suppose all of that combined with how Neko and Inu themselves were a bunch of ragtag minks who stumbled around and became leaders as well might have factored into their decision too. This is all not even taking into account how Carrot has experience journeying outside of Zou and helping out in Emperor territories.

                                                                                              Could Carrot had been shown with more leader-like qualities? Sure.

                                                                                              Does it change how Momo, Inu, and Neko turned out, as well as what Carrot managed to accomplish despite her loss? No.

                                                                                              I have to disagree here. Pedro always wanted to travel with the original Pirate King, but was too young. He wanted to venture out to sea and become strong to help with the Dawn. He passed that desire onto Carrot telling she would understand one day what it means to help the Straw Hats reach their goal to bring the Dawn.

                                                                                              More, there is a big difference between Momo and Carrot when it comes to "ruling". Momo, regardless of age, stated his desire to become Shogun. Carrot never showed anything regarding leadership of any kind.

                                                                                              She went to one island, that being Big Mom's empire. That is really it. That is not what I call "traveling the world". She has to do more than that to be considered worthy.

                                                                                              It's irony really. Perospero, after defeating Carrot (with luck in his favor), told Carrot to go back to Zou and eat "grass". If Carrot were to go back now, she's literally doing exactly what Perospero told her to do.

                                                                                              One Piece is about freedom and pursuing your dreams and desires, not about what people force you to do what they want. Ironically, they are doing the same thing that Kaido tried on Yamato, to force a position of authority that his child didn't want to do, and opposed it.

                                                                                              When it comes to dreams, for Carrot, as vague as it is, is to follow Pedro's will, given she inherited it. None of that will included the desire to go and rule Zou, and she herself has even stated she's not fit for the position.

                                                                                              When people, both for and against the idea of Carrot joining Luffy's crew mostly agree that the scene was downright odd and completely out of left field, you know something isn't adding up here.

                                                                                              If it was a done deal, that scene should have been given a full resolution....not be left with a cliffhanger.

                                                                                              Kaido never gave Yamato a choice to say no, whereas Carrot is being given a choice, and can even become the captain of her own crew like Pedro did if she wanted to too, being free to sail them like how Pedro was.

                                                                                              Carrot can always say no of course, but while Chapter 1056 didn't have her final answer be yes, it didn't show her final answer be no either. So of course, we'll have to see how her thought process plays out from here in regards to the situation with Zou.

                                                                                              This exactly. Sure, the Kaido thing was forced, hence the comparison. The fact that the scene with Carrot wasn't given a resolution is just odd.

                                                                                              Now, granted, there was another two day timeskip, so who knows how things play from here. That is one thing no one really knows at the moment.

                                                                                              Inu and Neko aren't forcing things like Kaido though.

                                                                                              Regardless, of course this could also be set-up for Carrot to abandon the whole thing and stow away on the Sunny. If she does, I'm sure her relationship with Luffy would become more developed from there, because in spite of the ear-bitting with Luffy, her Sulong form defeating some of Big Mom's ships, and her dramatic scene with Pedro, I was never particularly attached to her, but still acknowledge her potential for growth though.

                                                                                              That has become a major possibility since that chapter and that particular scene. But I agree with the rest that if she does end up joining Luffy's crew, she will have more chance to be developed and actually earn her place as future ruler of Zou.

                                                                                              But right now....no, she's too naive still to be handed the keys to the dukedom.

                                                                                              I still think that she can have enough help from Wanda and the others enough to keep Carrot from being more naive, in the event she says yes, and maybe such an intro chapter having her accept the ruler position could even have her make a speech reinforcing her growth and wisening up after thinking through things carefully enough, because I'm sure Carrot is smart enough to wisen up despite past naive actions. Some people seem to act Carrot isn't smart enough mature yet, but after seeing her determined attitude and what she did to Daifuku's forces, I'm inclined to think otherwise.

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                                                                                                I guess Pedros will is to maintain elephant island and keep it ready to help the chosen one?

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                                                                                                  @wolfwood said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                                  I guess Pedros will is to maintain elephant island and keep it ready to help the chosen one?

                                                                                                  I suppose Zunesha and by extension his friend Joy Boy would have to be relevant to the Dawn, which may have been the very things Pedro was referring to, along the same lines of Momo also being relevant to the Dawn, whatever the exact reason is.

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                                                                                                    @electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

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                                                                                                    I guess Pedros will is to maintain elephant island and keep it ready to help the chosen one?

                                                                                                    I suppose Zunesha and by extension his friend Joy Boy would have to be relevant to the Dawn, which may have been the very things Pedro was referring to, along the same lines of Momo also being relevant to the Dawn, whatever the exact reason is.

                                                                                                    Fair enough however, Pedro's Dawn refers to the world, Wano's Dawn is a different. Wano's Dawn is the end to Kaido's oppression and Momo's rise to shogun, it's a microcosm of what the World's Dawn will be . While the dawn of the world will most likely involve Zunesha and Joyboy; Pedro believes carriers of that dawn are definitely the Straw Hats akin to how Momo is the one who brought Wano's dawn but, the strawhats and scabbards were need to acheive that change.

                                                                                                    You could even say that Yamato is comparable to Carrot in that they both see that one person is gonna bring the dawn, a belief they got from a mentor then they both join the crew.

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                                                                                                      Did readers really not expect Carrot's promotion to a leadership position? I thought that was the clear direction of her story arc. I've already mentioned this possibility in 2020 - my post in July 2020 and in November 2020:

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                                                                                                      There needs to be a character that will come along that will change the status quo and move the nation (Zou) into the new dawn. Aside from Pedro and Carrot, none of the other Mink's have been developed to fill such a role (certainly not Inuarashi or Nekomamushi who could have saved Wano Kuni earlier if they reached out to the Roger Pirate remnants and the Whitebeard Pirates twenty years ago when they retreated back to Zou). Nekomamushi may be waiting for the dawn but he has not been developed into a character that will work alongside the Straw Hat Pirates to see it arise. With Pedro having fallen in Whole Cake Island, Carrot now embodies that character stationed to open Zou up. Pedro's goal was to lay the foundation for the "dawning of the world" for the people he believes can bring it about. Pedro saved the Straw Hat Pirates but he did not accomplish his goal. Rather it appears, Pedro's will has been inherited by Carrot. She will assist in laying the foundation for the Straw Hat Pirates and the Kozuki clan (Momonosuke and Hiyori) to help guide the world to the "dawn".

                                                                                                      Carrot becoming the representative/leader of the Mink isn't surprising to me rather it was the expected outcome.

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                                                                                                        @Syphin said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

                                                                                                        Did readers really not expect Carrot's promotion to a leadership position? I thought that was the clear direction of her story arc. I've already mentioned this possibility in 2020 - my post in July 2020 and in November 2020:

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                                                                                                        There needs to be a character that will come along that will change the status quo and move the nation (Zou) into the new dawn. Aside from Pedro and Carrot, none of the other Mink's have been developed to fill such a role (certainly not Inuarashi or Nekomamushi who could have saved Wano Kuni earlier if they reached out to the Roger Pirate remnants and the Whitebeard Pirates twenty years ago when they retreated back to Zou). Nekomamushi may be waiting for the dawn but he has not been developed into a character that will work alongside the Straw Hat Pirates to see it arise. With Pedro having fallen in Whole Cake Island, Carrot now embodies that character stationed to open Zou up. Pedro's goal was to lay the foundation for the "dawning of the world" for the people he believes can bring it about. Pedro saved the Straw Hat Pirates but he did not accomplish his goal. Rather it appears, Pedro's will has been inherited by Carrot. She will assist in laying the foundation for the Straw Hat Pirates and the Kozuki clan (Momonosuke and Hiyori) to help guide the world to the "dawn".

                                                                                                        Carrot becoming the representative/leader of the Mink isn't surprising to me rather it was the expected outcome.

                                                                                                        I can't say I was all to surprised either but, as a character it feels to early for Carrot to take up that role. As you have said a lot of Carrot's character is defining what "the dawn of the world" means. I feel that if she were to become the Duchess of Mokomo kingdom it would be at the end of her character arc not right now in the middle of it, when she has yet to understand or define what "the dawn of the world" means.

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                                                                                                        Set sail for One Piece!

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