Why do you keep using that one frame of Toei's art and not art from the manga? Here's something from the anime that I slapped together. Introducing Yamito.
Why did you have to draw all that stuff if Yamato is already eerily similar to Nami?
Why do you keep using that one frame of Toei's art and not art from the manga? Here's something from the anime that I slapped together. Introducing Yamito.
Why did you have to draw all that stuff if Yamato is already eerily similar to Nami?
@Zik:
LOL
You're really pretending like Jimbe's look is unique among fishmen? From all the fishmen we've met before Impel Down? Skin color and teeth? Should've stuck with eyebrows and whatever.
It's not pretending if it's true. What other fishmen looked like Jinbe or had his features before his appearance? Arlong? Hachi? On a side note, he also has multi-colored hair now that I think of it. No one looked like him or had many of his features before he appeared (or since).
It doesn't support it. That's what I said.
You sure have to add a lot of things to make Nami look like Yamato.
All I have to do is cover one eye and add a curly eyebrow to make Zoro look like Sanji.
The more you say about it the sillier it seems especially since you're serious.
The reason that crappy ps pic doesn't undermine your argument is cuz it's not really a good one to begin with.
It does. I didn't have to add a lot of anything. I never said they looked identical. I said similar. Three small changes to Nami and she looks like Yamato. Take those things aware from Yamato and he/she looks like Nami.
Why did you have to draw all that stuff if Yamato is already eerily similar to Nami?
Three small changes = all that stuff. Got it.
It's not pretending if it's true. What other fishmen looked like Jinbe or had his features before his appearance? Arlong? Hachi?
At least one of Jinbe's previous designs vaguely resembled Macro, who appeared as far back as 2001:
As a rough estimate, Yamato has probably spent about a quarter of his panel time either hybrid or full Zoan, which is hardly 1%. IMO, saying that these doesn't count towards the design would be like saying you shouldn't count panels where Luffy stretches or Zoro uses swords towards their design.
As a rough estimate, Yamato has probably spent about a quarter of his panel time either hybrid or full Zoan, which is hardly 1%. IMO, saying that these doesn't count towards the design would be like saying you shouldn't count panels where Luffy stretches or Zoro uses swords towards their design.
The main point probably is that Oda draws anything that either forwards the story or just looks cool. There's no way he wouldn't have drawn Yamato like that on the roof if he didn't think it looked cool!
The strawhats pay homage to super smash and famous video game characters in a colorspread, meanwhile Yama-os animal form is almost a clone of an iconic video game wolf, no thanks.
Doesn't help that his human form looks like any other 100s of oni humanoids- and oni princesses characters that came before.
Yama-o would be the least original strawhat.
I always found Yamato to be unispiring and generic in a lot of aspects. Her dream is reminiscent of characters that came before her like Shirahoshi, Carrot and Tama. Aso her relashioship/conflit with her father is very similar to that of Sanji and Sabo with their fathers.
@yo:
so i know everyone is on the yamato train, and that's all well and good, seeing as how we need a wano representative of some kind on the crew (was thinking kinemon for a while, but being stabbed through by kaido and zoro being able to do his moves kind of negates him), but how come Law is never brought up as a serious candidate as a permanent crew member?
I had to double-take and check to see that I hadn't posted this myself and forgotten about it, as I've had this exact same thought for the past couple weeks now. Everybody seems way too quick to dismiss Law as a potential crewmate and that makes no sense to me, especially after chapter 996 which, for my money, felt like Law joining the crew by the end of Wano was basically being telegraphed to us by Oda. I can't see how this new dream of his can be accomplished without being aboard Luffy's ship, unless he follows them in the Polar Tang all the way to Laugh Tale, but what a weird narrative choice that would be.
What I think has happened is that Law's overwhelming popularity, especially in Japan, has led Oda to want to keep Law in the story going forward, and this is his way of doing it.
@yo:
Is the reason people discount him because he's a captain of his own crew? You'd figure the inclusion of Jinbei, a former captain and warlord himself, would make it clear that is not a real reason.
Not to mention the fact that on Zou, Law told Robin that he hadn't planned on seeing his crew ever again, so I don't think leaving them behind would be much of a stretch since he's already done exactly that once before. There's any number of things his crew could do once he leaves, like join the Grand Fleet with Bepo as the new captain.
@yo:
the ONLY reason to exclude him long term is that he's also a doctor, but that seems a minor hurdle. he was impressed by chopper and if we want to be pendantic, we can say he's more a surgeon than anything else.
We already have a Doctor.
Surgeon works for me. He and Chopper would make the best medical team of any pirate crew in One Piece, and they'd stay busy with the likes of Luffy and Zoro alone. Another one I've heard people mention a lot that I really like is Tactician. Or he could do both! I think fans care far more about role in the crew than Luffy does, but regardless I agree that it's a minor hurdle. Robin is the crew's archaeologist, for God's sake, which I'd be shocked to learn anyone was able to predict prior to her joining. Roles can come later, is my point. I mean, what the hell would Yamato's role be anyway? The crew's Kozuki Oden? As it stands, I'd argue there's more defined roles Law could fill than Yamato.
@Zik:
Yeah a few things just eliminate Law as a candidate but I simply don't see it in his character to become a member of Luffy's crew. Friend and ally, sure but he isn't going to put his ambition in the backseat to make Luffy pirate king.
To me he's sort of built up to be the Whitebeard to Luffy's Roger.
Love the character though. To me Oda's already done a lot in making him a co-protagonist for a few hundred chapters.
I like the idea of Whitebeard to Luffy's Roger, but my gut feeling is that Oda wants to keep him around in the story more than that dynamic would allow. As for his ambition, it now lies in the goal of learning more about his "checkered fate", which again, requires him to stick with the only person capable of reading poneglyphs. I think it's clear that Law doesn't currently, and perhaps never did, care about becoming the pirate king, and haven't we've been more-or-less (or even explicitly) shown that Law fully believes in Luffy at this point?
However, Law is much too strong a personality to be a subordinate to Luffy… as we've seen time and again, he's at his best when he's an ally who can plan and manage the force that is Luffy and the Strawhats.
We've seen Law struggle with acting as Luffy's subordinate during the raid, to great comedic effect. My view, or theory, is that Law is currently in the process of resigning himself to his fate of joining the Straw Hats after Wano, and him yelling at Luffy that he was already going to transport the Scabbards out of harm's way before Luffy told him to do so is him desperately trying to hold on to his remaining time as captain of his own crew.
TL:DR - Y'all are gonna flip your shizz when Law joins while Yamato doesn't.
@yo:
so i know everyone is on the yamato train, and that's all well and good, seeing as how we need a wano representative of some kind on the crew (was thinking kinemon for a while, but being stabbed through by kaido and zoro being able to do his moves kind of negates him), but how come Law is never brought up as a serious candidate as a permanent crew member?
Is the reason people discount him because he's a captain of his own crew? You'd figure the inclusion of Jinbei, a former captain and warlord himself, would make it clear that is not a real reason. He's a support type fighter, he's gotten a very strawhat-esque flashback, he fully believes in luffy and even said the strawhats perform miracles everywhere. he's a true believer, wants to find out the secret to the D clan, and knows that the strawhats can lead him to it. the ONLY reason to exclude him long term is that he's also a doctor, but that seems a minor hurdle. he was impressed by chopper and if we want to be pendantic, we can say he's more a surgeon than anything else.
You probably missed it but me and others def mentioned that on the basis of the story alone Law or Yamato are legit the best setup to join.
The thing for Law though is his characterization has emphasized valuing being a captain and not being seen as Luffy's henchman.
The thing though it also kind of won't make a huge difference in my opinion. Law is committed to journey to the end to find out the meaning of D. He'll be around and he's gotten a good chunk of crew interaction, it just feels like Law is going to be a member in all but name but who knows Oda might split him away and only bring him back in the endgame is also a possibility. But my gut feeling right now is he's possibly a travel companion right to the end if we're technical about it so as I said it kind of doesn't make a difference.
TL:DR - Y'all are gonna flip your shizz when Law joins while Yamato doesn't.
I would flip in a good way, I just can't imagine Oda deciding to make Law decide to desert his crew to serve Luffy. I expect Law and Yamato will both be around even if they don't join, as I see Yamato's Oni heritage being similar to Law's D heritage.
It's not pretending if it's true. What other fishmen looked like Jinbe or had his features before his appearance? Arlong? Hachi? On a side note, he also has multi-colored hair now that I think of it. No one looked like him or had many of his features before he appeared (or since).
Jimbe just doesn't stand out to me in a group of all the other freaky looking fishmen. Yes, including the ones we have been shown right before his appearance.
It does. I didn't have to add a lot of anything. I never said they looked identical. I said similar. Three small changes to Nami and she looks like Yamato. Take those things aware from Yamato and he/she looks like Nami.
Going by what you said you added 5 things and its funny cuz you didn't even bother to change her eyebrows to make Nami look like Yamato. You're calling things like horns small changes. Its hard to take your stance serious.
Three small changes = all that stuff. Got it.
No answer. Got it.
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I had to double-take and check to see that I hadn't posted this myself and forgotten about it, as I've had this exact same thought for the past couple weeks now. Everybody seems way too quick to dismiss Law as a potential crewmate and that makes no sense to me, especially after chapter 996 which, for my money, felt like Law joining the crew by the end of Wano was basically being telegraphed to us by Oda. I can't see how this new dream of his can be accomplished without being aboard Luffy's ship, unless he follows them in the Polar Tang all the way to Laugh Tale, but what a weird narrative choice that would be.
What I think has happened is that Law's overwhelming popularity, especially in Japan, has led Oda to want to keep Law in the story going forward, and this is his way of doing it.
Not to mention the fact that on Zou, Law told Robin that he hadn't planned on seeing his crew ever again, so I don't think leaving them behind would be much of a stretch since he's already done exactly that once before. There's any number of things his crew could do once he leaves, like join the Grand Fleet with Bepo as the new captain.
Surgeon works for me. He and Chopper would make the best medical team of any pirate crew in One Piece, and they'd stay busy with the likes of Luffy and Zoro alone. Another one I've heard people mention a lot that I really like is Tactician. Or he could do both! I think fans care far more about role in the crew than Luffy does, but regardless I agree that it's a minor hurdle. Robin is the crew's archaeologist, for God's sake, which I'd be shocked to learn anyone was able to predict prior to her joining. Roles can come later, is my point. I mean, what the hell would Yamato's role be anyway? The crew's Kozuki Oden? As it stands, I'd argue there's more defined roles Law could fill than Yamato.
I like the idea of Whitebeard to Luffy's Roger, but my gut feeling is that Oda wants to keep him around in the story more than that dynamic would allow. As for his ambition, it now lies in the goal of learning more about his "checkered fate", which again, requires him to stick with the only person capable of reading poneglyphs. I think it's clear that Law doesn't currently, and perhaps never did, care about becoming the pirate king, and haven't we've been more-or-less (or even explicitly) shown that Law fully believes in Luffy at this point?
Law trusts Luffy will do what he says and believes in him but he has no interest in making him pirate king. He has shown no signs of putting his wants aside for Luffy's dream.
He still remains to be his own captain with his own crew. I don't see Oda repeating what he did with Jimbe for Law nor do I see Law just ignoring his crew again and just sending them away to again with the strawhats. So what's left is he sticks with him with his crew coming along or the crew somehow all dies. I kinda think Law is going his own way after Wano.
Exploring what the will of D. is and his checkered fate does not necessitate he sail with Luffy just cuz Robin is there translating poneglyphs. There's a few other leads out there he could pursue on his own I think like the underworld (plenty info to be gained there).
Yamato looking like Nami is a weak argument against Yamato not joining the crew. It's clear Oda wanted us to like her from the start with the familiar face — which you could argue Oda just made her attractive, Nami and Yamato are both attractive, hence they have similar facial features— a goofy but determined attitude that is similar to Luffy's, and a goal that aligns and makes sense with her joining the crew in the end.
She wants to help right away, asks to join right away, and the completion of her goal: delivering herself from Kaido's slavery and in turn, all of Wano, results in her having the freedom to finally travel the world and set sail with the SHs.
@Zik:
Going by what you said you added 5 things and its funny cuz you didn't even bother to change her eyebrows to make Nami look like Yamato. You're calling things like horns small changes. Its hard to take your stance serious.
Your math is off. I added three things. Eyelashes (which Oda doesn't even consistently draw), horns, and hair color. Eyebrows don't drastically change anything about them and I find it funny that people say, "But her eyebrows have an extra line!" as if that changes everything. I also didn't make Nami 15ft tall or give her a kanabo. You not taking this seriously won't cause me to lose me any sleep, I'm sorry to say.
No answer. Got it.
I wasn't talking to you on this one. Got it?
Adult Momo for next SH crewmate?
He follows in his father's footsteps of joining the pirate king.
Hiyori can take over.
And Oda can make a statement that not only men can be shogun. Just like not only men can rule a country in the case of Vivi or Rebecca
Your math is off.
I'm not talking about the pic but what you actually said.
Eyebrows don't drastically change anything about them
Eyebrows definitely drastically change the look of a characters face.
You not taking this seriously won't cause me to lose me any sleep, I'm sorry to say.
Your stance being silly doesn't suddenly become credible cuz you don't care.
It still reads as ridiculous.
I wasn't talking to you on this one. Got it?
Doesn't matter. Got it?
Adult Momo for next SH crewmate?
He follows in his father's footsteps of joining the pirate king.Hiyori can take over.
And Oda can make a statement that not only men can be shogun. Just like not only men can rule a country in the case of Vivi or Rebecca
What would be Momonosuke's reason for deciding to not be Shogun? It's been his driving purpose since Zou. I could have seen him deciding to travel with Luffy if he was critical for "guiding the world to the Dawn", but even after learning about his importance, he still reaffirmed that he wants to be shogun.
Yamato looking like Nami is a weak argument against Yamato not joining the crew. It's clear Oda wanted us to like her from the start with the familiar face — which you could argue Oda just made her attractive, Nami and Yamato are both attractive, hence they have similar facial features— a goofy but determined attitude that is similar to Luffy's, and a goal that aligns and makes sense with her joining the crew in the end.
She wants to help right away, asks to join right away, and the completion of her goal: delivering herself from Kaido's slavery and in turn, all of Wano, results in her having the freedom to finally travel the world and set sail with the SHs.
Yep, people can proclaim Oda is a bad female character designer all they want, but if one will attempt to use that as a way to convince me that it will be a major reason someone won't join the crew, then they shouldn't be surprised when I respectfully disagree.
What would be Momonosuke's reason for deciding to not be Shogun? It's been his driving purpose since Zou. I could have seen him deciding to travel with Luffy if he was critical for "guiding the world to the Dawn", but even after learning about his importance, he still reaffirmed that he wants to be shogun.
To gain world experience, just like his father did.
In order to be a good shogun and lead his country into joining the rest of the world, he needs to see more of the world and understand it.
Otherwise, he'll just be a child who knows nothing about the world, trying to rule a country full of people who also know nothing about the outside world.
To gain world experience, just like his father did.
In order to be a good shogun and lead his country into joining the rest of the world, he needs to see more of the world and understand it.
Otherwise, he'll just be a child who knows nothing about the world, trying to rule a country full of people who also know nothing about the outside world.
I can understand the part about being a child, but isn't everything else you said even more true for Hiyori? Unlike Hiyori, Momonosuke has been to many islands, has formed alliances with different groups, and has experience leading and fighting.
I can understand the part about being a child, but isn't everything else you said even more true for Hiyori? Unlike Hiyori, Momonosuke has been to many islands, has formed alliances with different groups, and has experience leading and fighting.
Other than the minks, which other groups has Momo formed an alliance with? When has he ever led? When has he ever fought?
In contrast, Hiyori has been in Wano for 20 years and survived as a truly adored person.
She knows the needs and wants of current Wano. She would be the perfect leader to get them ready to join the rest of the world.
That is, she is best suited to lead them into rebuilding their torn country. Establishing trading commodities that can be used to trade with the outside world. Getting rid of all the corrupt officials. Bringing the people together based on her experience as the top Geisha.
Momonosuke knows little to nothing about the plight of current Wano. He has no experience in dealing with people, politics or even economics.
If he became Shogun, he would simply be a figurehead at best and a complete incompetent at worst.
Other than the minks, which other groups has Momo formed an alliance with? When has he ever led? When has he ever fought?
In contrast, Hiyori has been in Wano for 20 years and survived as a truly adored person.
She knows the needs and wants of current Wano. She would be the perfect leader to get them ready to join the rest of the world.
That is, she is best suited to lead them into rebuilding their torn country. Establishing trading commodities that can be used to trade with the outside world. Getting rid of all the corrupt officials. Bringing the people together based on her experience as the top Geisha.
Momonosuke knows little to nothing about the plight of current Wano. He has no experience in dealing with people, politics or even economics.
If he became Shogun, he would simply be a figurehead at best and a complete incompetent at worst.
Momonosuke is currently considered the leader of the alliance forces. Oda has indicated this a few times, particularly when Momonosuke transmitted his voice for everyone through the Merry's.
That said, I think I see what you're getting at. Hiyori should be the shogun now because she knows more about Wano now, while Momo grows up outside Wano so that he's ready to take over once he's more mature. It's a reasonable idea in principle, but I really can't see Oda deciding to go this way for two reasons. First, he could have done the same thing with Vivi/Rebecca/Viola, since they are heirs to kingdoms with their rulers still alive… but Oda just wanted them to remain at home. Second, the Strawhats are all willing to put their lives on the line to help Luffy achieve his dream. Momonosuke has been single-minded about trying to save Wano and become it's shogun, so it's hard to believe he would turn his back on that to become a pirate.
Its clear Momonosuke is the next shogun of the series and everyone is working to get him there, its clear Momonosuke wants it too.
Momonosuke already said Shogun is more powerful then Pirate King too him, its clear where Momonosuke is going and that to the top of Wanos power.
And coby wants to be an admiral, doesn't mean he gets to be one immediately.
Shogun and Pirate King are 2 fundamentally different things. A shogun is an actual leader of a country, responsible for the prosperity, protection and governing of that country. Its not just a title.
Remember Oden himself had to be a daimyo first before he was even considered to be shogun. He essentially proved that he could build, protect and ensure the success of a mini wano before people figured he could lead the entirety of wano.
Momo is still just a child, with barely any experience in life and in leadership.
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Momonosuke is currently considered the leader of the alliance forces. Oda has indicated this a few times, particularly when Momonosuke transmitted his voice for everyone through the Merry's.
I mean sure he is the figurehead leader of the alliance. But that alliance is only made up of minks, wanonese and the straw hat pirates
As for the general crew dynamics, Yamato joining may give more focus on Robin who has been criminally kept in the background for far too long. Yamato joining could also help add relevance to Jinbe presence’s in the crew. Yamato has been “imprisoned” for twenty years and there is no way that such a reality and past would not create emotional and mental scars within them. Jinbe has experience with being among former prisoners (Tiger, Koala and other Sun Pirates) so if Oda wanted it explored, he could have Jinbe help Yamato with any trauma and mental anguish they may have – Jinbe has helped Luffy through his mental trauma in the past. Robin after having met Koala (and being enslaved herself) may also have some insight in Yamato’s situation and be able to assist.
Speaking of Jinbe and potential recruits, very interesting in regards to some of the posts left in the wake of Chapter 648, where some people question that Jinbe will join even though Luffy asked him to join.
Its weird reading somebody pretending Momo won't be shogun after this arc.
Like everything Oda has characters say point to that.
Not to mention the downplaying of Hiyori to a major extent. Makes no sense for Oda to subvert something he set up but hey w/e.
I was pretty much onboard with Yamato joining the crew until we learned about the World Government wanting to take over Wano. He may have to stay there to keep them from taking over after the Straw Hats leave.
Yes, Yamato is the only thing between the World Government and Wano, the decisive factor that keeps them from being forcefully annexed.
I was pretty much onboard with Yamato joining the crew until we learned about the World Government wanting to take over Wano. He may have to stay there to keep them from taking over after the Straw Hats leave.
What is Yamato going to do that a giant dragon and an army of samurai aren't?
Anyone that could give all of them trouble would also be able to handle Yamato. You're basically dealing with the admirals at that point, or whatever the mega super weapon is..
Obviously, since we know that Yamato is Yonko level, too strong for the Strawhats anyway. She has no problem dealing with the forces of the Marines…
What are a bunch of admirals? Can't do shit against Yamato... she is THE GUARDIAN DEITY OF WANO!!!
There's also the line of thinking of: the WG is trying to make a move right now because they know it'll be too late if they let the alliance recover from this battle.
Momonosuke already travelled outside Wano, he is not oblivious to the outside. Make him the Shogun that doesn't succumb to the WG.
I don't like the idea of Yamato joining, I'd rather have her die here like Okiyo, the oni princess that betrayed the oni of Onigashima and killed herself for Momotaro in Momotaro Genpuku.
I was pretty much onboard with Yamato joining the crew until we learned about the World Government wanting to take over Wano. He may have to stay there to keep them from taking over after the Straw Hats leave.
Right but do we really think the SH are going to leave Wano without defeating the Marines and CP0 that want to destroy it and capture Robin? Of course not. They're not going to run after defeating Kaido like, "good luck we did all we could." It would be so out of character for them. They're going to make sure Wano is safe before they leave, or everything they did prior to that would have been pointless.
Obviously, since we know that Yamato is Yonko level, too strong for the Strawhats anyway. She has no problem dealing with the forces of the Marines…
What are a bunch of admirals? Can't do shit against Yamato... she is THE GUARDIAN DEITY OF WANO!!!
A lot of SH seemed OP as hell before joining. Think of Robin, and how she literally just immobilized all the straw hats in Alabasta without breaking a sweat. I do think she's stronger than people think, but you can clearly see how Oda nerfed her abilities once she actually joined. Or even Jinbei, he was a Warlord, and he's not even near the monster trio level of power. So Yamato seeming to be Yonko level just means she'll be one of the primary fighters and she will likely get nerfed as well.
Right but do we really think the SH are going to leave Wano without defeating the Marines and CP0 that want to destroy it and capture Robin? Of course not. They're not going to run after defeating Kaido like, "good luck we did all we could." It would be so out of character for them. They're going to make sure Wano is safe before they leave, or everything they did prior to that would have been pointless.
The WG is known for giving up after a set back. After all, they gave up pursuing Robin…
The WG is known for giving up after a set back. After all, they gave up pursuing Robin…
And they'll give up on Wano once they realize Yamato is there?
The fact that the World Government are in the surrounding seas of Wano RIGHT NOW actually supports Yamato's chances in leaving Wano. Once the World Government fail in their attempts to takeover Wano due to the efforts of the Straw Hat Pirates and their allies, they will become cognizant of the reality that they had been grossly underestimating Luffy who has risen to the level of being able to defeat an enemy that NO ONE in the Marines was able to "defeat" (as in overwhelming Kaido's spirit with a stronger one). Wano will be allied with the Straw Hat Pirates and the World Government will become wary of any move they make against the Straw Hat Pirates lest they wish to suffer another defeat (on top of their loses in Sabaody Archipelgao where a Tenryuubito got punched, Enies Lobby and Impel Down). With the Straw Hat Pirates as one of the their primary threats, they will exercise caution before attempting to move on Wano again. Yamato presence in Wano won't affect the World Governments decision but Yamato's presence aboard the Thousand Sunny will affect the journey the Straw Hat Pirates take going forward.
There will come a point where the World Government realise that the battle they are fighting isn't just against the Straw Hat Pirates but the allies they have managed to gather. The key element to the Straw Hat Pirates success through their journey have been the allies they have gathered. The allies they gathered in Enies Lobby (Franky Family, Galley-La Company and the Elbaf Giants Oimo and Kashii), in Sabaody Archipelago (Rayleigh and Kuma), in Impel Down (Buggy, Jinbe, Crocodile, Ivankov, and others), in the Battle for Marineford (Hancock, Whitebeard Pirates, Impel Down allies, Law and to an extent Koby), in Sabaody Archipelago again (Straw Hat Pirate allies + Rayleigh), Punk Hazard (Law and Brownbeard), Dressrosa (Law, the members that would make the Grand Fleet, the Riku family), Wano (Kozuki family, Samurai, Ninja, Mink, Law, Kid, Killer, Tama, SMILE users, Whitebeard Pirates). If I were the World Government, I would be very curious about the Straw Hat Pirates next destination and what they could do if they adventured to Elbaf or encountered Vegapunk.
And they'll give up on Wano once they realize Yamato is there?
No. It would be harder to take over with Yamato there than without. Momo is no where near ready to defend the island from the WG. A Momo trained by Yamato who understands his fruit definitely could (along with any samurai or left over Beast Pirates). Let's put it this way. If Yamato stayed behind, it would be like someone between Luffy and Zoro's level staying behind to protect the place, which would definitely make hanging on to the island a lot more feasible.
It does stand a better chance with him than without him
Still not sure which way it’s going, I was pretty much sold until we found out the Marines were in fact invading Wano
Now I’d say I’m like 80% sure
I was pretty much onboard with Yamato joining the crew until we learned about the World Government wanting to take over Wano. He may have to stay there to keep them from taking over after the Straw Hats leave.
That would probably be like having Jinbe stay on Fishman Island to protect it from further attacks on fishmen and mermaids, in addition to the reveal of it possibly going to be destroyed one day and Shirahoshi being coveted as an ancient weapon.
I still think most ppl have the wrong idea about the CP0 having WG ships sent to Wano, what was said, and how things will go down with dealing with Momo as the new shogun.
The strawhats and w/e other allies will handle the Robin thing but I feel like when it comes to Wano being a part of the world government I think Momo is just going to tell Luffy he has it handled as the new leader and Luffy will trust that he will.
There's not going to be some new battle/war with WG operatives for Wano. It makes no sense on their part if they can het what they want diplomatically.
There'll most likely be no hurried running away. They'll stay, party, relax, part ways with allies, and then when they're ready to go and Yamato tags along the WG probably with more marines ships by then (Momo and the WG have agreed on terms) will try to capture the strawhats. Just like at Water 7 and Alabasta
That would probably be like having Jinbe stay on Fishman Island to protect it from further attacks on fishmen and mermaids, in addition to the reveal of it possibly going to be destroyed one day and Shirahoshi being coveted as an ancient weapon.
If Jinbe had a guardian diety of FI island fruit and he was never asked to join and the WG wanted to forcibly annex FI, then sure. A theory of him staying behind would've made sense.
@Zik:
It makes no sense on their part if they can het what they want diplomatically.
Yeah, the WG is known for their rationality… I'm sure they rather pay for things they want instead of taking them by force if possible...
Sound just like the WG we know...
If Jinbe had a guardian diety of FI island fruit and he was never asked to join and the WG wanted to forcibly annex FI, then sure. A theory of him staying behind would've made sense.
So Yamato will be obligated to stay behind just because of what Kaidou said?
So Yamato will be obligated to stay behind just because of what Kaidou said?
So you're pivoting from the Jinbe thing now? Ok. Yamato choosing to stay to help protect Wano from the WG would be of his/her own accord. Kaido wants to control Yamato so that he/she can control the people of Wano. Choice vs control.
Yeah, the WG is known for their rationality… I'm sure they rather pay for things they want instead of taking them by force if possible...
Sound just like the WG we know...
I don't recall the WG ever paying for any country to join them.
Last I recall the king of FI was freely lobbying to join the world government. They're showing up to Wano with ships thinking one way when they're going to meet a leader that wants to do the same as the last nation that joined.
The idea that after being freed from Kaido, Momo is going to choose to have Wano enter a conflict with the world government is senseless.
It's not even about who is there to protect it or not or if they'll be weak after this current fight. You guys are taking the stance that Wano wants to be independent from the world government knowing full well the winning side wants to fulfill Oden's wishes and open the country's borders to the world. Given how the world gov. operates how is that possible?
Instead of entering an unnecessary early conflict might as well join and then just wait and side with Joyboy to start the world war and defeat all the bad guys corrupting the institution.
@Zik:
I still think most ppl have the wrong idea about the CP0 having WG ships sent to Wano, what was said, and how things will go down with dealing with Momo as the new shogun.
The strawhats and w/e other allies will handle the Robin thing but I feel like when it comes to Wano being a part of the world government I think Momo is just going to tell Luffy he has it handled as the new leader and Luffy will trust that he will.
There's not going to be some new battle/war with WG operatives for Wano. It makes no sense on their part if they can het what they want diplomatically.
There'll most likely be no hurried running away. They'll stay, party, relax, part ways with allies, and then when they're ready to go and Yamato tags along the WG probably with more marines ships by then (Momo and the WG have agreed on terms) will try to capture the strawhats. Just like at Water 7 and Alabasta
Yeah, with even Luffy valuing the country, there's only so much that could happen to it before he would feel compelled to go back to it everytime something happened, which wouldn't forward the story.
@Zik:
I don't recall the WG ever paying for any country to join them.
You do know were the WG gets their Kairoseki from? They were paying Orochi for that… plus possibly weapons... They had no other choice but to pay, because of Kaido...
Now that all that is over they try to take their chance...
@Zik:
It's not even about who is there to protect it or not or if they'll be weak after this current fight. You guys are taking the stance that Wano wants to be independent from the world government knowing full well the winning side wants to fulfill Oden's wishes and open the country's borders to the world. Given how the world gov. operates how is that possible?
Ok. I'm going to try to be more civil this time, but honoring Oden's wishes and remaining independent aren't mutually exclusive. It could be an open, independent country. If the WG takes over, it's not independent. Wano would be forced to pay "heavenly tributes" to the WG. After giving all that they have to Kaido, would they really want to trade one master for another?
Ah, seems like Nami is the next Straw Hat Yamato will be meeting up with next, in light of her not previously interacting with the rest of the crew.
insert Spider-man pointing at each other meme
In all seriousness, Yamato's encountering Kid and Law against Big Mom huh… wonder if she will throw a CoC infused attack to Big Mom for the hell of it...
You do know were the WG gets their Kairoseki from? They were paying Orochi for that… plus possibly weapons... They had no other choice but to pay, because of Kaido...
Now that all that is over they try to take their chance...
They were secretly paying a country for a product knowing full well it was under the jurisdiction of yonkou.
What does that have to do with anything?
How does that lead to the world government paying for a country to join them?
Especially if your stance is the WG will try to take Wano by force. That doesn't include payment at all.