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    • otakufan
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      I feel in the case of Hancock it's a way more interesting story for her secret to be outed and she having to confront her worst fears. It's a classic setup that leads to character development and a personal arc with fall and ascension.

      She's already confronted her worst fears, though - that's the entire point of her character arc in Amazon Lily.

      I'm not going to say that the Boa sisters aren't afraid of being sent back into slavery, because that's not true, but their greatest fear was always that someone would find out their secret. They built up a legend of being cursed by a gorgon to try to keep their backs hidden from view, because they believed that if knowledge of their slave brands were ever to become known, then everything they'd built up since gaining their freedom would collapse. That their people would lose faith and abandon them, and that for all their strength, they'd be left as nothing more than the same traumatized slave girls they had once been.

      Hancock spent her entire adult life unable to trust anyone but her sisters and the handful of elders (Nyon, Rayleigh, etc.) that helped them get back on their feet after regaining their freedom. She was constantly afraid that her secret would be used against her if it were known, but when Luffy found out, not only did he not treat them any differently, he also recognized it was a sore point for them and acted to help them keep it secret even when it didn't benefit him. In Luffy she found someone she could place her trust in who would not betray it, and while her instantaneous transformation into a lovesick schoolgirl gets most of the focus, I think the realization that maybe she COULD place her trust in others without it being taken advantage of is of equal importance.

      She keeps up the "Ice Queen" persona for dealing with the World Government, but she's become a better, more confident, vastly more approachable leader for her people now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more in Hancock's inner circle who've been brought into the loop over time, because ironically, the Boa sisters' past as slaves matters most when no one knows about it. The more of their people in the know who support them anyway, the less it can be used against them and the less they have to fear from it being revealed. Hancock's secret only had power over her because she allowed it to, and I think the point of her arc since her introduction was in moving her psychologically to a place where she doesn't have to be afraid of it anymore.

      You seem to think she isn't there yet and requires another round of imprisonment, enslavement, and emancipation in order to reach that point. I think that such an arc would only serve to roll back her existing character development, because I believe she's more or less there already.

      Without love, it cannot be seen.

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        She's already confronted her worst fears, though - that's the entire point of her character arc in Amazon Lily.

        I'll disagree with that. She opened up to Luffy and fell in love, but all her fears are still there. She's still living a lie, she's still hiding herself, she's still terrified of facing her past. Luffy did help her by accepting who she is, but there's still more to be done.

        Kyros, as a counterpoint, didn't just need to reunite to Rebecca and reveal he is her father. He needed the curse broken and the man who killed Scarlet defeated.

        Hancock right now lives in fear, and she will be free when she confronts that fear and overcomes it. Then she can let the past behind.

        I see no better way than having no more secrets, and no more fear of being rejected or controlled again.

        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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          Because we are near the end of the series, I don't think the SSG are meant to be composed by a lot of fleshed out characters. We won't spend decades learning of them individually, and having whole arcs centered around each of them. I feel they will be mostly officers the SHs fight over an arc or two, with maybe a few significant characters with meaningful plots. I think the hype around the SSG is mostly so we can have justification for strong opponents popping out of "nowhere".

          What i'm speaking to is the remainder of the story. Whether it's 3 years of serialization of 5 years left. They might fit the same function and serve a similar purpose.

          How many years left is a different topic and I believe its close to over, but not what some are making it out to be. Just with Wano still on, i've seen some slightly change their stance on how many years are left of serialization. I stick to where the crew is. They still don't seem ready and need growth before reaching Laugh Tale. Then there's what to do after they get there.

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            I don't think anyone is disputing Hancock will return to the story, just not as a prisoner

            honestly I don't see a problem with that theory since I think the Straw Hats might have to save Sabo and Vivi, so what's one more person

            but who knows what could happen, Oda is great at subverting expectations

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              I don't think anyone is disputing Hancock will return to the story, just not as a prisoner

              honestly I don't see a problem with that theory since I think the Straw Hats might have to save Sabo and Vivi, so what's one more person

              but who knows what could happen, Oda is great at subverting expectations

              The idea of Luffy revisiting people such as Vivi was already touched on when he was responding to the Levely news, but maybe it might be sooner depending on what happened back there. They might need all the firepower they can get just in case too.

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                What I am really curious about is Caesar's location and intentions. He is unquestionably one of the most important pieces in the New World.

                He is connected to Vegapunk, Judge, Doflamingo, Big Mom and Kaido. He is also strangely connected to the Straw Hat Pirates and some of the other New Generation Pirates (Law and Bege).

                Because of Caesar, Punk Hazard was destroyed
                Because of Caesar, the Artificial Devil Fruit Vegapunk created was able to be removed from the World Government's focus (they assumed it was destroyed after Caesar activated his bomb)
                Because of Caesar, Doflamingo was given the opportunity to enter into relations with Kaido
                Because of Caesar, SMILES were born
                Because of Caesar, Doflamingo was put into a vulnerable position which ultimately led to his defeat
                Because of Caesar, Kaido was able to grow his forces
                Because of Caesar, Tama became relevant to the Onigashima War (pacifying the SMILE users)
                Because of Caesar, the Mink on Zou were saved (though technically it was his weapon that brought them to the door step of death in the first place)
                Because of Caesar, Chopper was able to enhance his Rumble Balls

                It was also through Caesar that the readers learned quite a bit about Devil Fruits.

                I expect Caesar to be relevant again in the upcoming Vegapunk story and potential the Elbaf story considering his research into Giants, so where ever the story heads, Caesar will also need to be reintegrated into the Straw Hat Pirates journey. I assume Caesar went back to Punk Hazard to collect his research and whatever resources he left behind there (that was his base for years, so he may have his money and documentation stored there). Caesar/"Gangster Gastino" may even seek Luffy and/or Law out after he hears/reads the news that Big Mom AND Kaido were defeated by them. The iron hammer being brought down on Pirates by Sakazuki will also mean Caesar will be in more danger than before.

                The current cover story may even have Judge and Caesar cross paths. Caesar is a very important piece in the One Piece story and Oda has been suspiciously avoiding focus on him since he had Bege return Caesar's heart to him.

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                  Soon enough, you will see Tama in Film Red.

                  https://imgur.com/a/Wv6IRiB

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                    @Solid:

                    Soon enough, you will see Tama in Film Red.

                    https://imgur.com/a/Wv6IRiB

                    That’s interesting and very unexpected.

                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                      It's also - for full disclosure in case it's not clear - made by Solid

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                        Bit out of the loop; who is Solid?

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                          Many people have theories, some say he's a Swede who's way into Tama, others say he's this guy who makes a lot of theories about Tama. Some have even suggested that he is actually a group of people who really like Tama. We may never know the truth

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                              Many people have theories, some say he's a Swede who's way into Tama, others say he's this guy who makes a lot of theories about Tama. Some have even suggested that he is actually a group of people who really like Tama. We may never know the truth

                              My theory is that he's a metaphysical manifestation of Tama herself came to life, akin to the Klabautermann. Born by the desire of Tama joining the crew

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                                I personally like to think that Solid came from the future, to give heart medicine to a certain warrior of light but the timeline Solid arrived at was incorrect and now they bless our innocent minds with theories of a girl that may embody existence as whole that potential could bring the human race to liberation.

                                The truth certainly can be something most concealed in darkness. Whatever it is, what I know for certain is that I like Solid.

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                                  My theory is that he's a metaphysical manifestation of Tama herself came to life, akin to the Klabautermann. Born by the desire of Tama joining the crew

                                  I heard he came from a timeline where Tama never joined the strawhats, then he reincarnated into his younger self and is here to set things right.

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                                    People ask "Who is Solid" but does anyone ever ask "How is Solid"? 😞

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                                      Solid is not a username, but a title - passed down through the ages from one Tama-supporter to the next in an unbroken line of succession, such that even should the one behind the avatar fall, the cause may never die.

                                      Without love, it cannot be seen.

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                                        Alternate timeline solid is the worst.

                                        In that timeline Swedish OP site kajutan never shutdown and he's ruling it with a cruel Tama fist

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                                          Alternate timeline solid is the worst.

                                          In that timeline Swedish OP site kajutan never shutdown and he's ruling it with a cruel Tama fist

                                          There was a swedish OP site? First time I heard of that. Are we sure were from the same timeline? Does this mean there were two timelines that have merged?

                                          Whatever the truth is, I bet it has something to do with Solid.

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                                            It's also - for full disclosure in case it's not clear - made by Solid

                                            Oh. Bummer. :sad:

                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                              There was a swedish OP site? First time I heard of that. Are we sure were from the same timeline? Does this mean there were two timelines that have merged?

                                              Whatever the truth is, I bet it has something to do with Solid.

                                              Way back in 2003ish. There was a bunch of kajutan refugees who made it over here when it crashed in like, 2005-2006. Don't quote me on these numbers but that's what my memory tells me. Old man solid might remember more

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                                                So I guess the picture is not official, and this Solid person is just a meme?

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                                                  So I guess the picture is not official, and this Solid person is just a meme?

                                                  Solid is the name of the user who posted the image 😉

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                                                    @Coookie:

                                                    People ask "Who is Solid" but does anyone ever ask "How is Solid"? 😞

                                                    I'll do you one better:
                                                    Why is Solid?

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                                                      Oh lol, sorry for the dumb question. I must admit I barely look at people's name here, but I think that's kinda obvious now. Thanks anyway 🙂

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                                                        Is Loki evil in Norse Mythology or just mischievous?

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                                                          @Shiebs:

                                                          Is Loki evil in Norse Mythology or just mischievous?

                                                          Depends on your perspective, really.

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                                                          With the realization that I may have come off as significantly more glib than I'd intended, and because I'd end up obsessing over a more detailed post for hours, might I recommend a video from Overly Sarcastic Productions' resident mythologist Red on the subject:

                                                          Without love, it cannot be seen.

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                                                            @otakufan:

                                                            Depends on your perspective, really.

                                                            EDIT:
                                                            With the realization that I may have come off more glib than I'd intended, and because I'd end up obsessing over a more detailed post for hours, might I recommend a video from Overly Sarcastic Productions' resident mythologist Red on the subject:

                                                            Thank you for the response, I didn’t take it as Glib at all, I’ll watch the video thanks again 😁

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                                                              Appreciated, but my post was five words that amounts to ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and I didn't feel that was helpful.

                                                              End of the day, though, it's really hard to pin Loki down definitively, for a lot of reasons.

                                                              Without love, it cannot be seen.

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                                                                Is Loki evil in Norse Mythology or just mischievous?

                                                                While it's argued his role in Norse Paganism was altered in due to Christianization, Loki is the one who causes Ragnarok, and leads the wicked dead of Helheim and the fierce Jotnar into the final battle.

                                                                So, yes.

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                                                                  Lol I have a friend who responds like that to everything, so I didn’t take it negatively 😆

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                                                                  While it's argued his role in Norse Paganism was altered in due to Christianization, Loki is the one who causes Ragnarok, and leads the wicked dead of Helheim and the fierce Jotnar into the final battle.

                                                                  So, yes.

                                                                  So it’s probably safe to assume he’ll be a bad guy

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                                                                    Lol I have a friend who responds like that to everything, so I didn’t take it negatively 😆

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                                                                    So it’s probably safe to assume he’ll be a bad guy

                                                                    I would say so. Particularly if any of the other nobles of Elbaf have names based off the Aesir.

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                                                                      He could also be named after Utgarda-Loki, a giant…

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                                                                        He could also be named after Utgarda-Loki, a giant…

                                                                        Who was also a trickster. :ninja:

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                                                                          Yeah, but not as evil.

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                                                                            Is it too late to make a what state is solid joke?

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                                                                              I think Carrot and Yamato might join the SH crew.

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                                                                                The impression I got of Loki was that he started out a mischievous trickster who wasn't evil so much as an annoyance. Sometimes he'd play the villain, sometimes he'd join the others on adventures. But when Ragnarök came around he wound up fighting for the wrong side. So chances are he'll be portrayed as a villain, but I'm unsure if he'll be evil like Orochi and Doffy.

                                                                                And like Zhenja mentioned he could be based on Utgarda-Loki. I hope Oda throws in some reference to that story, it's a good one.

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                                                                                  I think Carrot and Yamato might join the SH crew.

                                                                                  Yeah, I'd be interested in Yamato joining after the potential she has displayed. Still not sure about Carrot though.

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                                                                                    Yeah, I'd be interested in Yamato joining after the potential she has displayed. Still not sure about Carrot though.

                                                                                    Yes, I have doubts about Yamato

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                                                                                      Poor quality baiting.

                                                                                      Is unlikely that Kaido would reveal to his enemies(Luffy and cia), the insight info he has on Yamato's devil fruit.

                                                                                      It is also unlikely that he learnt siad info in Wano, since Wano-kunians dont even know devil fruits exists.

                                                                                      Yamato currently doesnt care about it, but I guess she will once she discovers the whole backround of it, but just like Kaido, that's something she can only discover by going outside.

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                                                                                        Episode 1,013 of the anime will be entirely about Yamato and Ace, it seems. From the preview, it will also incorporate some scenes from the later Yamato/samurai flashback (you can see Kaido locking Yamato in the cave), thought it will probably not show the samurai themselves in it.

                                                                                        Maybe it will have some new scenes, thought I wouldn't hold my breath. Most likely, it will be full of flashbacks-within-flashbacks (the preview shows scenes from Ace's childhood) and maybe extended scenes with Yamato/Ace fighting and Yamato/Ace bonding. (Thought so far I've been very underwhelmed by most of the extended fight scenes, and Onigashima had plenty of opportunities for them)

                                                                                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                          I like this heavy spoiler run Toei has been on with Wano

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                                                                                            Yes, I have doubts about Yamato

                                                                                            Fair enough I suppose.

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                                                                                              Unlike the manga which is generally binged or purchased, The anime is mostly seen by audiences watching it weekly and so has to worry about folks remembering a scene a year later… which leads to lots of repeated clips and recaps and things. So them doing a lot of the flashback setup early lets them do a bit of animation that'll be in multiple episodes, and amke sure audiences that miss a week here or there still get at least the gist.

                                                                                              It makes sense as a call they make when they have the full picture even if it does muck with the pacing Oda set... but the anime mucks the pacing regardless so...

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                                                                                                Unlike the manga which is generally binged or purchased, The anime is mostly seen by audiences watching it weekly and so has to worry about folks remembering a scene a year later… which leads to lots of repeated clips and recaps and things. So them doing a lot of the flashback setup early lets them do a bit of animation that'll be in multiple episodes, and amke sure audiences that miss a week here or there still get at least the gist.

                                                                                                It makes sense as a call they make when they have the full picture even if it does muck with the pacing Oda set... but the anime mucks the pacing regardless so...

                                                                                                It makes sense to have flashbacks to previous moments, yes, but Toei isn't shy about making them unnecessarily long.

                                                                                                And not only flashbacks. Anything that can extend a scene is used. Long eye-to-eye scenes, grunting, extended character thoughts, ramblings…

                                                                                                Watching the anime is a chore for me, lol. I mostly go there to see how they extend things that were off-screened in the manga or check how some favorite scenes were animated, thought often I'm left disappointed.

                                                                                                Like Usopp & Nami vs. Ulti & Page One. Or Chopper & Usopp (in the tank) vs Big Mom. Man, those extended fights sucked. Toei gets these opportunities to do something cool with almost total freedom, but they usually do it so lazily...

                                                                                                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                                  They aren't lazy. They're time crunched, desperate, limited in budget both in time and money, and can only extrapolate so far without contradicting things

                                                                                                  If the show switched to only 25 episodes a year the exact same staff would skyrocket the quality and pacing.

                                                                                                  Laziness is not the problem. .

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                                                                                                    In the topic of 'you stay with whom you spend most of the time', I'll just gracefully remind ya'll, Carrot's spent two weeks straight with the Minks in Kuri, and she's been the longest with Wanda and Nekomumashi in Onigashima.
                                                                                                    Hopefully we're not suddenly backing up on that one👅

                                                                                                    Now, yes, Yamato has spent most of the time with Momo, there's no denying that, but they're not the usual couple-characters that are oftenly represented together in such symbolic ways, for example, Dorry and Broggy, Cabbage and Barto, or even Shanks and Teach that curiously always share volume cover appearances.

                                                                                                    While Yamato bonds with Momo in-series, Oda insists that she belongs with.. not-Momo, outside of it.

                                                                                                    Could the upcoming cover of vol 102 resolve this, or will just reiterate Yamato and Luffy belong together? We're going to find out.

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                                                                                                      Two more for my collection. :ninja:

                                                                                                      Such a perfect duo. Oden and son… 😁

                                                                                                      Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                                        Lots of tiny little panels, guess panel-size only matters if someone particularily claims they do.

                                                                                                        Can we have the full ruling of how panel-size matters at certain times only? Its getting confusing.

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