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    • Coookie
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      Now that the forum is back I wanted to mention something Solid pointed towards during the downtime:

      Tsuku Tsuku no Mi might actually be a viable true name for Tama's Kibi Kibi no Mi that fulfills the 2.9. number theory.

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      Regarding Tama's fruit only being named in her Vivre Card this might be another case of Oda just forgetting that he never mentioned the name in the story, just like with Kid's fruit. However I'd imagine that Oda would have paid a lot more attention if the Kibi Kibi no Mi is a legendary fruit even to the Five Elders, or if she's the next and possibly last crew member.

      Another thing to note: The Five Elders said that the Devil Fruit in question hasn't "awakened" in centuries which could mean "resurfaced", but the Japanese term used is the same that has been used for Devil Fruit Awakening specifically.

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        Something I was itching to post for weeks:

        Now that we know one Devil Fruit was renamed by the WG, there's probably a lot of people putting their tinfoil hats back expecting it to be the 2.9 DF.

        I remember Solid saying that Tama's DF had a false name, and the true one was the 2.9. Seems like he has renewed hopes now.

        My prayers were answered, goda bless

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          Really wonder what fruit it was they were referring to in my mind now fruit really fits without disclaimers but Tama's and Yamato's fruits are out pretty sure because the reveal around them wouldn't work. The way I read that scene is it will recontextualize a fruit we've known for a while now and make us go "oh so it can do more things than xyz". Tama's is out cause the name was never revealed in the manga so it's like not going to have any effect. Yamato's fruit is out cause there is literally 0 point to rechanging an already special fruit that got introduced this recently nobody is going to go not mythical wolf but something else?
          For me right now the gum gum fruits seems to be the most fitting for that cause I can see the properties of gum being retrofitted into something that is more powerful. With the Mochi mochi no mi we've already seen that the properties of gum can be somewhat similar to other things.
          Another candidate although I don't like this myself is the Ope Ope no Mi that gets the pass being so vague its powers can be redefined with a new name rather easily but the thing is it would just end up being something silly like the god god fruit eye roll so hopefully that actually goes against it. Another candidate to me might be Momo's fruit cause there is a lot of mystery around it still(we don't really know why it was considered a failure still). I'm sure there are other candidates but to me I think the scene is going to work the best when the payoff makes us go "oh so it wasn't that fruit the entire time but it was this other thing".
          Of course it could also be a different fruit we haven't known so far.

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            I dont think this fake name is something Oda would rely on alternative sources for us to know.

            Whenever he plans to fool us around with fakes, he first makes sure we all heard it loud and clear(Kyoshiro and Shuten Maru for instante)

            Or other modified names like Ace, Law and Roger's, or also Onigashima, which according to Marco is a recent name.

            Whatever the fruit in question is, chances are, we've heard its fake name from the manga first.

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              It's hard to believe that the fruit in question can simultaneously be "only a legend now, even to us" (the Five Elders) and at the same time publicly known to the whole wide world for at least two years now. No matter what hidden skillset the awakened fruit has, its basic applications should still be known to the World Government if they went out of their way to rename it, meaning they should be able to recognize it pretty quickly. No one has ever commented on Luffy's rubber abilities to be legendary or subject of some myth (the only exception alluding to something like that being Who's-Who who got imprisoned for losing it, but then again the World Government wouldn't still be considering it a legend only).
              Same goes for Law's Ope Ope no Mi, the World Government knows it exists, Doflamingo already revealed its ultimate ability (presumably) and the name itself doesn't exactly hide its OP-ness. Momo's artificial fruit also doesn't work out unless Vegapunk is centuries old and no one ever bothered to properly search Punk Hazard for it.

              The most reasonable guess I have for now is the Toki Toki no Mi. It's considered lost because its user has been jumping through time and after Toki's death probably remained in Wano, it was named in the manga, we believe to know how it works, its name fits its applications, possible Awakening or other abilities could be incredibly overpowered and it just might have something to do with a millennium old elephant.

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                My opinion on the fruit's possibilities:

                • Tama's (Kibi Kibi Fruit): Changing the name and domain of the fruit could make it really powerful. I mean, if controlling sea kings makes you an Ancient Weapon, imagine if Tama can control any beasts in the world of One Piece? Zunesha framing the mysterious fruit revelation may have a relation to it. Maybe a previous user condemned Zunesha to wander until one of the Kozuki could free him? Anyway, Tama revealing herself during the raid may be trigger for the Elders to be talking about it now.

                • Toki's (Toki Toki Fruit): Another fruit that may have unseen potential. Since Toki was timeskipping centuries at a time, it explains why the fruit has never "awakened" for all that time. Also, the fruit is what enabled the raid on Onigashima, so it makes sense the Elders would be talking about it now.

                • Something outside Wano: Maybe the Gorousei isn't talking about a fruit in Wano, but related to the other events happening elsewhere in the world. The problem is that framing the discussion around the reemergence of Zunesha contradicts that.

                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                  Am I the last holdout who still thinks Jimbei was the final crew member?

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                    Maybe Zunesha is a devil fruit user? Probably not

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                      Am I the last holdout who still thinks Jimbei was the final crew member?

                      I feel we'll get an announcement once the crew is fully complete.

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                        Am I the last holdout who still thinks Jimbei was the final crew member?

                        I feel that ever since it was said that Blackbeard das ten titanic captains under him, it was confirmed we will get an 11th Straw Hat.

                        Of course, maybe the 10th captain is defeated first and is not a counterpart, or one of them, like Sanjuan Wolf, is meant to be a battle for the Sunny. Or other loophole.

                        But the idea that the crew is complete does not feel satisfatory right now. Plus, I would expect some kind of confirmation, either in-story, with Luffy declaring the crew complete, or out of it, in an announcement or via Oda himself stating it..

                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                          It's hard to believe that the fruit in question can simultaneously be "only a legend now, even to us" (the Five Elders) and at the same time publicly known to the whole wide world for at least two years now. No matter what hidden skillset the awakened fruit has, its basic applications should still be known to the World Government if they went out of their way to rename it, meaning they should be able to recognize it pretty quickly. No one has ever commented on Luffy's rubber abilities to be legendary or subject of some myth (the only exception alluding to something like that being Who's-Who who got imprisoned for losing it, but then again the World Government wouldn't still be considering it a legend only).
                          Same goes for Law's Ope Ope no Mi, the World Government knows it exists, Doflamingo already revealed its ultimate ability (presumably) and the name itself doesn't exactly hide its OP-ness. Momo's artificial fruit also doesn't work out unless Vegapunk is centuries old and no one ever bothered to properly search Punk Hazard for it.

                          The most reasonable guess I have for now is the Toki Toki no Mi. It's considered lost because its user has been jumping through time and after Toki's death probably remained in Wano, it was named in the manga, we believe to know how it works, its name fits its applications, possible Awakening or other abilities could be incredibly overpowered and it just might have something to do with a millennium old elephant.

                          The hard to believe part would make it an effective switcheroo reveal. As for why nobody would know it's cause the real name was purged from history. Like I'm not quite on the same page with people assuming the elders just would know everything given the scene to me reads in a way that clearly highlights them not knowing the exact history behind that fruit with the youngest looking elder asking the questions and the older ones stating it is even a legend to them now.
                          That the fruit is publicly known doesn't matter when its real name was purged and it got renamed as long as the powers match the new name.

                          The way I think of it is what if it was the heat fruit of Oven, the whole world thinks the fruit's power is just heating up things but in actuality it's the whole xmen thing with speeding up molecules is its real power and heating up matter is just a small part of its real power.
                          In my mind the reveal playing out to something similar like this would make it the most effective. As for why the gum gum fruit well we have this dangling plot thread on why in the seven hells Shanks was going for this fruit, we have the thread of Shank visiting the gorosei to talk with them about a certain pirate and when we look at the Kaido vs Luffy fight the next logical power up might be Luffy's awakening. In that sense there are some things that would line up neatly for a the gum gum fruit was the "whatever has the properties of gum but also these other powers" fruit.

                          But dunno personally not super in love with it and I hope it doesn't happen cause I'm much more in love with Luffy's fruit just being the gum gum fruit no switcheroos. Luffy making it to the top with a weird fruit just has more charm. But really I just also feel like all the candidates that I think the elders might refer to need some form of bending.
                          The toki toki no mi I can see but I'm a bit reluctant on what is the organic way to bring it back into the story and also what use will it serve bringing it back. From a narrative perspective it being lost with Toki's death and nothing really needing to happen with it anymore is probably just the easy out as a writer.

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                            But dunno personally not super in love with it and I hope it doesn't happen cause I'm much more in love with Luffy's fruit just being the gum gum fruit no switcheroos. Luffy making it to the top with a weird fruit just has more charm. But really I just also feel like all the candidates that I think the elders might refer to need some form of bending.

                            I agree with this. The reason I love One Piece for what it is, is that the main character, Luffy in this case, has come far in the world with a seemingly useless fruit, but one he has been extremely creative with. He's no some destined chosen one with super special powers, besides the "He can make friends with anyone" quality.

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                              After Shanks beat up yesterdays Lucci for it, it wouldn't really suprise me if the gomu fruit is super special.

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                                The hard to believe part would make it an effective switcheroo reveal.

                                It would be an effective switcheroo because introducing it now without any foreshadowing after 1000 chapters of Luffy using it is a huge retcon.

                                @DarthAsthma:

                                As for why nobody would know it's cause the real name was purged from history. Like I'm not quite on the same page with people assuming the elders just would know everything given the scene to me reads in a way that clearly highlights them not knowing the exact history behind that fruit with the youngest looking elder asking the questions and the older ones stating it is even a legend to them now.

                                I don't expect many people to know and also not to the fullest extent but some of the Five Elders clearly know at least the basics. We've seen all five of them react several times whenever Luffy got into trouble and none of them commented on his powers. Them now revealing that his abilities might actually be the erased fruit would have absolutely no setup when there were plenty of opportunities to do so. I trust Oda to do better.

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                                That the fruit is publicly known doesn't matter when its real name was purged and it got renamed as long as the powers match the new name.

                                Its real name being erased from history doesn't explain why the people who at the very least know of this legendary fruit never made the connection. What would that look like? "The abilities this troublesome rookie has demonstrated are very similar to that fruit that's supposed to be a myth. But it's obviously not that one because Straw Hat Luffy clearly shouts 'gomu gomu' before his attacks, so it's the Gomu Gomu no Mi. Crisis averted."

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                                The way I think of it is what if it was the heat fruit of Oven, the whole world thinks the fruit's power is just heating up things but in actuality it's the whole xmen thing with speeding up molecules is its real power and heating up matter is just a small part of its real power.

                                Okay, let's use your example. Let's assume that there's a legendary fruit that can speed up molecules. That ability is then known to some people who try to hide it behind a different name. They come up with the name "Heat Heat Fruit". After centuries this legend is only known to two people, who can recognize the ability and know that its current name is just a disguise. Then some teenager starts to cause trouble who can heat things up. Would that not raise suspicion? Why would they connect the dots only two years later?

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                                In my mind the reveal playing out to something similar like this would make it the most effective. As for why the gum gum fruit well we have this dangling plot thread on why in the seven hells Shanks was going for this fruit, we have the thread of Shank visiting the gorosei to talk with them about a certain pirate and when we look at the Kaido vs Luffy fight the next logical power up might be Luffy's awakening. In that sense there are some things that would line up neatly for a the gum gum fruit was the "whatever has the properties of gum but also these other powers" fruit.

                                This is a perfect example of the human brain obsessively trying to make sense of things, even when they might not fit together. Shanks going after the Gomu Gomu no Mi might just be as simple as a pirate going after a government ship for loot, Devil Fruits are highly sought after no matter what ability they give. Luffy already got two power-ups this arc and is currently evenly matched with Kaido. Things only line up neatly if you ignore that all the minuscule setup for it has been done in the last 100 chapters while throwing out the 900 that came before.

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                                  It would be an effective switcheroo because introducing it now without any foreshadowing after 1000 chapters of Luffy using it is a huge retcon.

                                  I don't expect many people to know and also not to the fullest extent but some of the Five Elders clearly know at least the basics. We've seen all five of them react several times whenever Luffy got into trouble and none of them commented on his powers. Them now revealing that his abilities might actually be the erased fruit would have absolutely no setup when there were plenty of opportunities to do so. I trust Oda to do better.

                                  Its real name being erased from history doesn't explain why the people who at the very least know of this legendary fruit never made the connection. What would that look like? "The abilities this troublesome rookie has demonstrated are very similar to that fruit that's supposed to be a myth. But it's obviously not that one because Straw Hat Luffy clearly shouts 'gomu gomu' before his attacks, so it's the Gomu Gomu no Mi. Crisis averted."

                                  Because it wouldn't need to be explained you literally assume the elders knew that the gum gum fruit was it's new name, when that doesn't really speak at all to how they talk about it in the scene.
                                  Why would the fruit be a legend to them when they instantly know what the fruit is seeing it's new name, why even frame it as one of them having to ask questions.
                                  Like to me it just reads as some of them heard about this old legendary fruit but nobody really knows what it got renamed into and thus the world government succeeding in erasing it from history.

                                  Also not sure if you followed the Oven example that's basically how the switcheroo works. Why would anyone assume that a devil fruit has other powers than that which the wielder demonstrates? That literally doesn't happen. Not even fans go the route of look actually any of the fire/heat boys(akainu, sabo, oven) their real power is actually speeding up/vibrating molecules. Like I don't get why you assume that if it was the gum gum fruit the original fruit would somehow have this clear connection to it through its powers. And with Katakuri we already have a clear in universe example of someone having a completely different power to Luffy yet being able to mimick several characteristics of Luffy. So how would the elders know that it isn't actually Katakuri's fruit even if we assume they have a really clear idea how the fruit translates into the switcheroo.

                                  There is no obsessive anything like I'm just spitting out random thoughts on a gum gum pirate manga no need to make such a rude assumption just cause you don't agree.

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                                    Shanks sailing his men into the least great risk to gain venture on the off chance that they might have some cool loot makes him sounds a lot dumber than if he came at them with a purpose. Like alright men lets go duel some navy seals and we'll see what pops up, or alright this will be a hard battle but we need this object. I dunno i find the idea that Shanks just sails around attacking marines for shits and giggles to feel off, but we'll see i suppose

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                                      My money is on Zunesha or the Gomu Gomu fruit

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                                        Because it wouldn't need to be explained you literally assume the elders knew that the gum gum fruit was it's new name, when that doesn't really speak at all to how they talk about it in the scene.
                                        Why would the fruit be a legend to them when they instantly know what the fruit is seeing it's new name, why even frame it as one of them having to ask questions.
                                        Like to me it just reads as some of them heard about this old legendary fruit but nobody really knows what it got renamed into and thus the world government succeeding in erasing it from history.

                                        The World Government also erased an entire century from history but the story so far implies that they know perfectly well what transpired back then. It would be incredibly stupid if they erased one specific legendary fruit from their own knowledge.

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                                        Also not sure if you followed the Oven example that's basically how the switcheroo works. Why would anyone assume that a devil fruit has other powers than that which the wielder demonstrates? That literally doesn't happen. Not even fans go the route of look actually any of the fire/heat boys(akainu, sabo, oven) their real power is actually speeding up/vibrating molecules. Like I don't get why you assume that if it was the gum gum fruit the original fruit would somehow have this clear connection to it through its powers.

                                        I think I know where the misunderstanding is. You're speaking from the general public's perspective, I view it from the World Government who are fully aware what this legendary fruit is capable of, since they're the only ones who are talking about it and obviously remember it.

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                                        And with Katakuri we already have a clear in universe example of someone having a completely different power to Luffy yet being able to mimick several characteristics of Luffy. So how would the elders know that it isn't actually Katakuri's fruit even if we assume they have a really clear idea how the fruit translates into the switcheroo.

                                        Yes, one person who has been active for decades and who the World Government most probably already looked into, especially since CP0 already is in cahoots with Big Mom. That's two people. I could understand if the ability is so common that there's no point in constantly going "Is it them? Or is it this person?" but that's not the case.

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                                        There is no obsessive anything like I'm just spitting out random thoughts on a gum gum pirate manga no need to make such a rude assumption just cause you don't agree.

                                        I'm not following, what exactly is this rude assumption supposed to be? That the human brain is wired to connect things and look for patterns or recognize things it already knows? That's neither an assumption nor rude.

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                                          But wait, if the Gomu Gomu no Mi was in the World Government possession, it couldn't be a legend to them for hundred of years…. they would obviously know it exists. Plus, Luffy didn't do anything different with his fruit in Wano for them to make a connection that they couldn't have made before. I just can't see it.

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                                            The weird thing is that the discussion on the fruit seems to be prompted by the appearance of Zunesha, but there's nothing about it connected to any fruit we know of by name.
                                            Tama's i guess "thematically" somehow fits, but it's not like we would think it has anything to do with the giant elephant's obedience to Momo, nor there would be a way for the elders to know that power is on the island right now.

                                            Even assuming it's just an awkward cut and it has nothing to do with the big elephant,
                                            The Gum Gum also makes little sense, it's not like it's now more on display than it was, say, in marineford;
                                            Yamato's fruit we know is special, but for mostly wano-related reasons;
                                            The Ope Ope is plausible, but its secret power is not really a secret at this point…

                                            it's really a weird line, for now i'll just assume we simply don't have the key informations needed to get what they were talking about.

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                                              Obviously we're lacking info on the "renamed" DF, but I get the impression that the Gorousei are probably referring to a fruit that they didn't know was active.

                                              Even if what they're truly concerned about is the fruit's "Awakened" state, I don't think they'd be phrasing it in an "Impossible! That power is a legend, even to us!" kind of way if Luffy (for example) had been running around causing very public trouble with its "non-Awakened" form for years on end already, which says to me it's probably a fruit that hasn't been seen in the wild, or at least those part of the world under government control/observation, for a long time.

                                              So it's probably a fruit introduced in Wano, if I had to guess.

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                                                I did entertain the thought that Zunesha could the subject of the Five Elders concern (Legendary Devil Fruit) but when I think about how Zunesha's existence isn't a secret to the world with the Mink race being publicly known and rumors of their home floating around, the World Government would have put two and two together before now. Zunesha appears to be a misdirect.

                                                What is interesting is what initiated the dialogue from the Five Elders. The Marine contact mentioned they spotted a huge shadow which looks like an Island. How many Islands are there in Wano Kuni which has had their original name mysteriously hidden that could cause the Five Elders to sweat by being more than it appears? Only one Island in Wano Kuni comes to mind and that is Onigashima. Wano Kuni is currently the largest arc in One Piece and the Onigashima portion is going to be major part of it once the arc ends.

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                                                Given that Wano Kuni is the setting and any knowledge surrounding the region being unknown to the World Government due to their closed borders, the Devil Fruit in question I believe should be located within Wano Kuni. The word “Island” appeared to trigger the Five Elders and as mentioned above, there is one Island in Wano Kuni seeped in mystery, uniqueness and possibility. Onigashima, an Island that only received that name AFTER Kaido settled on the Island. What was it called before? Currently that is unknown. Everything about Onigashima has been shrouded in mystery from its positioning within Wano Kuni as the only Island not part of the rest, from it’s unnamed and deserted nature before Kaido’s appearance, to Kaido choosing Onigashima as his home, to the Giant Skull, to the Giant Sword, and to the current substantive focus it is receiving – chapter 977 and ongoing (as at chapter 1039). The uniqueness of Onigashima could be because it represents more than an Island. It could be the Devil Fruit (a very unique one) the Five Elders are currently concerned about.

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                                                Kaido’s actions could also hold relevance in unraveling this mystery. Kaido has been captured by the Marines before and his Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu had caught the attention of the World Government who wished a copy of it to be made. Could Kaido have uncovered information concerning Wano Kuni and Onigashima from his time at one of the Marine facilities he was held in? Could it be the Punk Hazard facility he escaped and rescued King from? I also wouldn’t be surprised if the name Kaido gave the Island – Onigashima – was taken or inspired from the information he retrieved from the Marines/World Government. The World Government may have labelled the Devil Fruit that name or something similar when talking about it in their records – it can’t be Uranus, can it? Could the Devil Fruit’s name be the Oni Oni no Mi? The Giant Skull on Onigashima has yet to be addressed and has been looming a giant mystery since its appearance in chapter 920 (although the Island shape was first hinted in chapter 793). For such a long running mystery to not be covered yet at all, one can’t help but suspect it holding an immense amount of importance for coming developments. That giant sword lodged in Onigashima is of equal intrigue too. Why is there a giant sword there? Did it belong to a giant? Is Onigashima a sleeping Giant/Oni? What factors will cause its awakening? An explosion? Kanjuro’s Kazenbo? The complete destruction of Onigashima? Combining with Mount Fujiyama? Zunesha? Orochi? Momonosuke? Luffy? Robin? Yamato? Pulling out the sword lodged in the Island (a seal)? Something else? Whatever the case, I do believe it is a notable possibility that what the Five Elders are referring to when they are talking about a Devil Fruit being given a specific name is Onigashima.

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                                                Could the World Government have been afraid to attack Wano Kuni not only because of the Samurai but because of a sleeping threat that resides within the region? And could this threat be Onigashima or whatever the Devil Fruit name it goes by (Oni Oni no Mi)? However the mysteries end up being resolved, I can’t shake the feeling that Onigashima is considerably important within the story of the Ancient Civilisation and Joyboy. Given that Zunesha has also arrived in Wano will Zunesha awaken the Devil Fruit (Onigashima) and wield the giant sword lodged in the Island with its trunk? Is this what Zunesha’s mission/purpose is? The World Government may have hidden the name of the Devil Fruit because they did not want the Island in question to be treated as anything beyond an Island. If the Island was labelled a Devil Fruit, questions would be raised about it. The Kozuki Clan could have also hidden the real name of Onigashima because they didn’t want the Island being treated as anything other than an Island before the appropriate time arose that it became relevant again i.e. when Joyboy reappeared.

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                                                  And again these last few chapters continue to showcase Yamato as a central character

                                                  only sad thing about Yamato joining is that means we'll never get our Logia user :cwy:

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                                                    only sad thing about Yamato joining is that means we'll never get our Logia user :cwy:

                                                    There's always the possibility that Yams isn't the last. My personal theorizing is that we get Yamato, one more unknown, and then Vivi comes back, for a final crew total of 13.

                                                    It's also possible, if perhaps unlikely, that the Strawhats get a logia fruit and one of the crew's non-DF users chooses to eat it.

                                                    Without love, it cannot be seen.

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                                                      I dont think this fake name is something Oda would rely on alternative sources for us to know.

                                                      Whenever he plans to fool us around with fakes, he first makes sure we all heard it loud and clear(Kyoshiro and Shuten Maru for instante)

                                                      Or other modified names like Ace, Law and Roger's, or also Onigashima, which according to Marco is a recent name.

                                                      Whatever the fruit in question is, chances are, we've heard its fake name from the manga first.

                                                      100% agree with this.

                                                      Didn't think so many ppl would actually think it's Tama and her kibi dangos.

                                                      Especially with an excuse like Oda has forgotten he never named the DF in the manga.
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                                                      After Shanks beat up yesterdays Lucci for it, it wouldn't really suprise me if the gomu fruit is super special.

                                                      Not Shanks.

                                                      Lucky Roux.

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                                                        There's always the possibility that Yams isn't the last. My personal theorizing is that we get Yamato, one more unknown, and then Vivi comes back, for a final crew total of 13.

                                                        It's also possible, if perhaps unlikely, that the Strawhats get a logia fruit and one of the crew's non-DF users chooses to eat it.

                                                        I would absolutely love it if we got more Straw Hats, I don't think it will be the case though, I'll only truly believe that's what Oda intends to do if Black Beard gets more additions to his crew, as I'm still sold on the Black Beard Pirates being the anti Strawhat end game enemies

                                                        as for the others getting devil fruits this late….. I'm just not seeing it, maybe if they didn't already have there own power sets and abilities I could see it

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                                                          And again these last few chapters continue to showcase Yamato as a central character

                                                          only sad thing about Yamato joining is that means we'll never get our Logia user :cwy:

                                                          Unless we push the crew total to 13 🔥@otakufan:

                                                          There's always the possibility that Yams isn't the last. My personal theorizing is that we get Yamato, one more unknown, and then Vivi comes back, for a final crew total of 13.

                                                          THIS

                                                          It's also possible, if perhaps unlikely, that the Strawhats get a logia fruit and one of the crew's non-DF users chooses to eat it.

                                                          Given the way Oda answered in a SBS I dont think any of the non-DF users in the strawhats will get one.

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                                                            Again I’d be fine with more Straw Hats, I just don’t think it will happen, I’ll be happily surprised if I’m wrong

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                                                              I voted for Yamato in the poll! I still believe she will join, especially with all the screen time she has been having in the chapters. There is honestly no other contender to join the Strawhats besides her, I'm sure of it now! Honestly, I can't wait to see her in spreads with the rest of the crew! 🆒

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                                                                My thoughts right now, on the most likely to join if one of the three is to join:

                                                                1. Carrot: established role, ambition and relationships, 29 doesn't disqualify her, but lack of panels/importance in the current arc

                                                                2. Tama: ambition and relationships, disqualified by 29. However, her fruit being really the "tsuki tsuki" (29) is the most probable answer to this mystery the Gorosei revealed.

                                                                3. Yamato: ambition, completely disqualified by 29, no chance of joining

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                                                                  Given the way Oda answered in a SBS I dont think any of the non-DF users in the strawhats will get one.

                                                                  I did say it was unlikely. 😛

                                                                  I just think it'd be an interesting twist on the typical DF formula.

                                                                  All the DF-using Strawhats have had their fruit for a long time, so having a character whose still getting used to their powers and exploring how to use them would be an interesting dynamic.

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                                                                    nor there would be a way for the elders to know that power is on the island right now.

                                                                    CP0 could have informed them about it, they know that someone made the headliners and gifters change sides.

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                                                                    Not Shanks.

                                                                    Lucky Roux.

                                                                    Never was it said or implied that Lucky Roux stole the fruit by himself.
                                                                    Who's Who has a grudge against Shanks specifically.

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                                                                      ! [[QUOTE=Syphin;4163971]I did entertain the thought that Zunesha could the subject of the Five Elders concern (Legendary Devil Fruit) but when I think about how Zunesha's existence isn't a secret to the world with the Mink race being publicly known and rumors of their home floating around, the World Government would have put two and two together before now. Zunesha appears to be a misdirect.
                                                                      ! What is interesting is what initiated the dialogue from the Five Elders. The Marine contact mentioned they spotted a huge shadow which looks like an Island. How many Islands are there in Wano Kuni which has had their original name mysteriously hidden that could cause the Five Elders to sweat by being more than it appears? Only one Island in Wano Kuni comes to mind and that is Onigashima. Wano Kuni is currently the largest arc in One Piece and the Onigashima portion is going to be major part of it once the arc ends.
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                                                                      Given that Wano Kuni is the setting and any knowledge surrounding the region being unknown to the World Government due to their closed borders, the Devil Fruit in question I believe should be located within Wano Kuni. The word “Island” appeared to trigger the Five Elders and as mentioned above, there is one Island in Wano Kuni seeped in mystery, uniqueness and possibility. Onigashima, an Island that only received that name AFTER Kaido settled on the Island. What was it called before? Currently that is unknown. Everything about Onigashima has been shrouded in mystery from its positioning within Wano Kuni as the only Island not part of the rest, from it’s unnamed and deserted nature before Kaido’s appearance, to Kaido choosing Onigashima as his home, to the Giant Skull, to the Giant Sword, and to the current substantive focus it is receiving – chapter 977 and ongoing (as at chapter 1039). The uniqueness of Onigashima could be because it represents more than an Island. It could be the Devil Fruit (a very unique one) the Five Elders are currently concerned about.
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                                                                      Kaido’s actions could also hold relevance in unraveling this mystery. Kaido has been captured by the Marines before and his Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu had caught the attention of the World Government who wished a copy of it to be made. Could Kaido have uncovered information concerning Wano Kuni and Onigashima from his time at one of the Marine facilities he was held in? Could it be the Punk Hazard facility he escaped and rescued King from? I also wouldn’t be surprised if the name Kaido gave the Island – Onigashima – was taken or inspired from the information he retrieved from the Marines/World Government. The World Government may have labelled the Devil Fruit that name or something similar when talking about it in their records – it can’t be Uranus, can it? Could the Devil Fruit’s name be the Oni Oni no Mi? The Giant Skull on Onigashima has yet to be addressed and has been looming a giant mystery since its appearance in chapter 920 (although the Island shape was first hinted in chapter 793). For such a long running mystery to not be covered yet at all, one can’t help but suspect it holding an immense amount of importance for coming developments. That giant sword lodged in Onigashima is of equal intrigue too. Why is there a giant sword there? Did it belong to a giant? Is Onigashima a sleeping Giant/Oni? What factors will cause its awakening? An explosion? Kanjuro’s Kazenbo? The complete destruction of Onigashima? Combining with Mount Fujiyama? Zunesha? Orochi? Momonosuke? Luffy? Robin? Yamato? Pulling out the sword lodged in the Island (a seal)? Something else? Whatever the case, I do believe it is a notable possibility that what the Five Elders are referring to when they are talking about a Devil Fruit being given a specific name is Onigashima.
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                                                                      Could the World Government have been afraid to attack Wano Kuni not only because of the Samurai but because of a sleeping threat that resides within the region? And could this threat be Onigashima or whatever the Devil Fruit name it goes by (Oni Oni no Mi)? However the mysteries end up being resolved, I can’t shake the feeling that Onigashima is considerably important within the story of the Ancient Civilisation and Joyboy. Given that Zunesha has also arrived in Wano will Zunesha awaken the Devil Fruit (Onigashima) and wield the giant sword lodged in the Island with its trunk? Is this what Zunesha’s mission/purpose is? The World Government may have hidden the name of the Devil Fruit because they did not want the Island in question to be treated as anything beyond an Island. If the Island was labelled a Devil Fruit, questions would be raised about it. The Kozuki Clan could have also hidden the real name of Onigashima because they didn’t want the Island being treated as anything other than an Island before the appropriate time arose that it became relevant again i.e. when Joyboy reappeared.

                                                                      You got it all wrong tho.
                                                                      Random Cipher Pool agent that's in the crow's nest witnessing the arrival of Zunesha is not talking directly to the Gorosei, he's talking to another random cipher pool agent.

                                                                      That's one of the parts that makes this whole thing more confusing and intriguing, that, as a matter of a fact, we dont know to whom or which report the Gorosei are reacting to.

                                                                      We dont know if its the Cp-0 that remained in the room in Onigashima, or Lucci from a different location, we just dont know nothing, jeez, I hate when mysteries are protected by simpler mysteries that didnt need to be hidden.

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                                                                        My thoughts right now, on the most likely to join if one of the three is to join:

                                                                        1. Carrot: established role, ambition and relationships, 29 doesn't disqualify her, but lack of panels/importance in the current arc

                                                                        2. Tama: ambition and relationships, disqualified by 29. However, her fruit being really the "tsuki tsuki" (29) is the most probable answer to this mystery the Gorosei revealed.

                                                                        3. Yamato: ambition, completely disqualified by 29, no chance of joining

                                                                        1. I think Carrot is completely disqualified. I think she will be part of the Minks with all of them joining the alliance as the "Mink Crew."

                                                                        2. I was for Tama joining for when I first saw her in Wano, but honestly she fits better to say with Momo as one of his retainers. I'm not sure about the mysterious fruit, but I don't think it be hers. I feel like the five elders might be talking about Luffy or Zuhesha. More likely Zuhesha.

                                                                        3. I disagree. Yamato has the highest chance of joining. She has shown interest in being part of the crew, has ambition, original design, and has an appearance in almost every chapter since she appear. She doesn't need to be part of the devil fruit number theory to be qualified in my honest opinion.

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                                                                          Yamato is a lock. Love he Base design… Dislike her Zoan design... Absolutely dislike her character and I hope she will stop the Oden shit.

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                                                                          She is strong as hell. Still M3 never will change and both Zoro and Sanji will surpass her. Thank you for the attention

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                                                                            I don't get why anyone would think the elders were talking about Tama's fruit. That's so random and is just a painfully desperate argument for Tama. Anyone other than Yamato is just delusion at this point.

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                                                                              I don't get why anyone would think the elders were talking about Tama's fruit. That's so random and is just a painfully desperate argument for Tama. Anyone other than Yamato is just delusion at this point.

                                                                              I don't think Tama is going to join nor do I want her to. The Five Elders are talking about the fruit while a mythical animal is shown that can only act when given commands, and cannot ignore the punishment it has been given. There are good arguments for why it's probably not Tama's fruit (not revealed in the manga, Zunesha being self-aware about needing commands unlike the Gifters), but it's not entirely random.

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                                                                                King mentioning Joy Boy and Pirate King in the same conversation in Chapter 1036 made think back to how much Joy Boy has been played up at this point. With Joy Boy having relevance to Laugh Tale, the one Oden was waiting his return for, and Kaido claiming Luffy also couldn’t be Joy Boy. It gives me a feeling that we’re basically just waiting for Kaido to be proven wrong about Luffy regarding Joy Boy, and that Yamato’s claim that Luffy was the man Oden was waiting for could mean that her purpose beyond Wano and sailing the seas with Luffy could possibly be to help him become the next Joy Boy, also possibly gaining further relevancy because of Fish-Man Island and its plotline with the Noah, or something along those lines.

                                                                                Then again, it could just be a case of Oda placing details in such a way so as to throw off and fool people like me, and that Joy Boy might not be relevant to Yamato’s story after all. Still makes me wonder though.

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                                                                                  I don't get why anyone would think the elders were talking about Tama's fruit. That's so random and is just a painfully desperate argument for Tama.

                                                                                  Yeah, like there was no connection at all. Hell, Tama wasn't even in the actual chapter when that was said. It feels really random to connect to her, of all characters.

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                                                                                    I wonder if the new crew member will join in time for One Piece Red

                                                                                    Probably not

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                                                                                      I wonder if the new crew member will join in time for One Piece Red

                                                                                      Probably not

                                                                                      Unless of course they're hiding something, but yet to be seen.

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                                                                                        I'm not following, what exactly is this rude assumption supposed to be? That the human brain is wired to connect things and look for patterns or recognize things it already knows? That's neither an assumption nor rude.

                                                                                        You're characterizing/labeling something very basic as obsessive matching. Literally Shanks going for the gum gum fruit is a real question that will be answered at some point. Within the limited information that we have assuming the gum gum fruit has more to it than we've thought is literally the most base assumption you could make. It just came of to me as massively douchy to label something this basic as "obsessive pattern matching". It's like calling someone doing base shopping calculations in their head an obsessive number freak. It's just fucking headscratching.

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                                                                                        I think I know where the misunderstanding is. You're speaking from the general public's perspective, I view it from the World Government who are fully aware what this legendary fruit is capable of, since they're the only ones who are talking about it and obviously remember it.

                                                                                        No you didn't pay attention I've been saying this a massive assumption that is not necessarily supported by the scene. Regardless even if they know I already literally explained how it's easily possible for them to not make the connection as long as they don't witness someone displaying the full range of the fruits true abilities.
                                                                                        Like explain to me if someone with the vibrate molecules fruit just uses it to heat things up the entire series how would you know it is that fruit and not the heat heat fruit? You don't and with several other fruits in play that can produce heat/fire whatever or other related phenomenon you just simply have no way of knowing.
                                                                                        You might not even understand that the phenomenons are linked at all without knowing the scientific mechanism behind it. My point here being this direct link you also assume somehow would exist for the gum gum fruit based on its abilities alone is just not necessarily a thing.
                                                                                        Here is another example of a switcheroo you wouldn't have been able to link back if Oda played it another way, he could have made kid a fake electricity user and have a reveal later about how he is just manipulating magnetism. My point here is just to illustrate that you're making an assumption that doesn't have to be true.

                                                                                        My main point isn't really that I think this will be right or anything but I really am baffled how people pretend this scenario is massively illogical without actually understanding fully how the deception can be played, there is literally dozens of examples of this in other fiction too.

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                                                                                          I wonder if the new crew member will join in time for One Piece Red

                                                                                          Probably not

                                                                                          I'd say that's unlikely. Even if the official joining happens before the film releases, they'd probably err on the side of caution to not risk a planning mistake. Also, they need to consider Anime-only watchers. Merchandising often takes the anime in consideration.

                                                                                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                            I was pretty open to getting some real guaranteeing stuff out of the interactions on the roof with Kaido and Yammy's flashback, but that all really fell flat and didn't go anywhere. And now the further and further we've gone, I've only seen less and less of a strawhat out of Yamato. There's just nothing I've seen yet that would be more compelling than seeing Yammy get their own crew and go out on their own journey.

                                                                                            Just another figure that's gonna join Luffy, Kidd, Law, Koby, Sabo, and Katakuri as being the major figures for the next generation.

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                                                                                              I wonder if the new crew member will join in time for One Piece Red

                                                                                              Probably not

                                                                                              Unlikely.

                                                                                              It'll be difficult enough to wrap up Wano in the manga within the next six months to be ready for Film RED's theatrical release. Even if Kaidou falls within the next 10-15 chapters, I'm expecting a lengthy denouement with a fair bit of Reverie fallout flashback and worldbuilding before the proverbial curtain falls. And there's absolutely zero chance of the anime being done in time.

                                                                                              That said, given Oda's involvement, it may be possible that they're writing the movie with the post-Wano status quo in mind and are simply leaving it as a surprise… It would suck for the anime-only viewers, who (assuming my expectations for Yamato are correct) would be getting Yams-as-Strawhat in the movie while his introductory arc was still ongoing in the series, but if Oda can wrap the manga Wano arc in time, I'd be willing to overlook that.

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                                                                                                I was pretty open to getting some real guaranteeing stuff out of the interactions on the roof with Kaido and Yammy's flashback, but that all really fell flat and didn't go anywhere. And now the further and further we've gone, I've only seen less and less of a strawhat out of Yamato. There's just nothing I've seen yet that would be more compelling than seeing Yammy get their own crew and go out on their own journey.

                                                                                                Just another figure that's gonna join Luffy, Kidd, Law, Koby, Sabo, and Katakuri as being the major figures for the next generation.

                                                                                                Well, there's Yamato proving her father wrong in regards to how Luffy couldn't be Joy Boy. I also think there's more yet to be seen, not just examples like Ushimaru dying after comforting Yamato, but also all the people that died because they were nice to Yamato too.

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                                                                                                  @DarthAsthma:

                                                                                                  You're characterizing/labeling something very basic as obsessive matching. Literally Shanks going for the gum gum fruit is a real question that will be answered at some point. Within the limited information that we have assuming the gum gum fruit has more to it than we've thought is literally the most base assumption you could make. It just came of to me as massively douchy to label something this basic as "obsessive pattern matching". It's like calling someone doing base shopping calculations in their head an obsessive number freak. It's just fucking headscratching.

                                                                                                  You're hung up on a word and blowing it out of proportion.

                                                                                                  @DarthAsthma:

                                                                                                  No you didn't pay attention I've been saying this a massive assumption that is not necessarily supported by the scene.

                                                                                                  Let me recap. I said that I don't expect many people to know and also not to the fullest extent but some of the Five Elders clearly know at least the basics. Meaning they know/are aware of some abilities the legendary fruit is capable of, above all its awakened ones. And you think that's a massive assumption that is not supported by the scene? I don't know what else would make them think of this legend at this very moment when they apparently know nothing about it but the fact that it hasn't awakened in centuries and that the World Government went out of their way to hide its true name.

                                                                                                  It is not a "massive assumption" to infer that they know plenty to make a connection between whatever was reported and a legendary fruit that was thought to have disappeared without a trace. The way the conversation is going it should be impossible but in light of the evidence they're seeing, there aren't many other possible explanations for it, if any.
                                                                                                  I mean, what is the alternative to them not knowing about its abilities? A fruit that's so legendary but no one knows what it's capable of? How does that make sense?

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                                                                                                  Regardless even if they know I already literally explained how it's easily possible for them to not make the connection as long as they don't witness someone displaying the full range of the fruits true abilities.
                                                                                                  Like explain to me if someone with the vibrate molecules fruit just uses it to heat things up the entire series how would you know it is that fruit and not the heat heat fruit? You don't and with several other fruits in play that can produce heat/fire whatever or other related phenomenon you just simply have no way of knowing.
                                                                                                  You might not even understand that the phenomenons are linked at all without knowing the scientific mechanism behind it. My point here being this direct link you also assume somehow would exist for the gum gum fruit based on its abilities alone is just not necessarily a thing.

                                                                                                  The thing is that Devil Fruits tend to be very simple in nature and what basic powers they give, with only Law's seemingly having very few rules to it. One Piece isn't like My Hero Academia where supernatural powers are explained by relatively scientific processes. Mr. 5 just explodes, his sweat isn't made of nitroglycerin that he can spontaneously combust. It's not the kind of series to go "see, there is a connection between rubber and this other amazing ability that makes sense but you've never thought of it". So I just don't see how the true nature of the Gum Gum Fruit is something so outlandish that the Five Elders never made the connection, while its most basic application is that the user provably turns into rubber.

                                                                                                  Also, for someone who's complaining about others being rude you sure like to act that way yourself. Funny how that works. Just remember: No need to get agitated about spitting out random thoughts on a gum gum pirate manga 😉

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                                                                                                    @Kishido:

                                                                                                    Yamato is a lock. Love he Base design… Dislike her Zoan design... Absolutely dislike her character and I hope she will stop the Oden shit.

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                                                                                                    She is strong as hell. Still M3 never will change and both Zoro and Sanji will surpass her. Thank you for the attention

                                                                                                    Not like the M3 really has to change since she seems to have largely surpassed it. :<)

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                                                                                                      @Monquito:

                                                                                                      You got it all wrong tho.
                                                                                                      Random Cipher Pool agent that's in the crow's nest witnessing the arrival of Zunesha is not talking directly to the Gorosei, he's talking to another random cipher pool agent.

                                                                                                      That's one of the parts that makes this whole thing more confusing and intriguing, that, as a matter of a fact, we dont know to whom or which report the Gorosei are reacting to.

                                                                                                      We dont know if its the Cp-0 that remained in the room in Onigashima, or Lucci from a different location, we just dont know nothing, jeez, I hate when mysteries are protected by simpler mysteries that didnt need to be hidden.

                                                                                                      Do we know with certainty that the Five Elders are not reacting to the report from the World Government agent in the sea near Wano?

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                                                                                                        @Syphin:

                                                                                                        Do we know with certainty that the Five Elders are not reacting to the report from the World Government agent in the sea near Wano?

                                                                                                        We know a couple of random ciphers are talking to each other thru den den mushi.

                                                                                                        What we dont know its if the Gorosei are having said conversation at the exact same time of Zunesha's arrival, or if that's already happened and have been reported.

                                                                                                        Personally, given how the whole thing is being framed, it does seem like the Gorosei is still unaware of Zunesha while talking of a devil fruit.

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