I think there should be another fansub group that can start subbing up-to-date eps (like Dattebayo does Naruto). So that we don't have to wait a year to watch Water7 arc in anime. It seems like K-F will never catach up Japan anyway.
Don't get me wrong. I like K-F quality but I hate waiting a year. HK DVDs have terrible subbing also.
Gerusama has some soft subs for the latest raws ^_^
"Is it more painful to cry when you can't do something you want to, or when you can't find what you want to do?""In time there will come a day when everything is just a memory."
I wish we had an alternative too, but that's just the way things are, either subbers aren't interested or they're intimidated by the reputation K-F has created for themselves. I mean, they are the premiere OP sub group, they've buried everyone that has ever come up against them.
Don't get me wrong, I love Kaizoku too & respect their tireless efforts over the years. But a bit of real competition amongst fansubbers wouldn't be so bad, at least we'd have the choice.
If I was apart of a start-up fansub group, who wanted to sub One Piece & get our foot in the door & gain a following. Then I would consider picking up One Piece as soon as Water 7 begins, because I know there'd be a good deal of people here & elsewhere, who'd download & support a group, willing enough to make a bold move like that.
Originally posted by Alexander Anderson@Mar 2 2005, 06:58 PM
**Gerusama has some soft subs for the latest raws ^_^http://www.gerusama.com
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You beat me to it :lol:
You can also find his bot in AP's IRC channel.
Originally posted by Battle Franky@Mar 2 2005, 06:10 AM
**I wish we had an alternative too, but that's just the way things are, either subbers aren't interested or they're intimidated by the reputation K-F has created for themselves. I mean, they are the premiere OP sub group, they've buried everyone that has ever come up against them.Don't get me wrong, I love Kaizoku too & respect their tireless efforts over the years. But a bit of real competition amongst fansubbers wouldn't be so bad, at least we'd have the choice.
If I was apart of a start-up fansub group, who wanted to sub One Piece & get our foot in the door & gain a following. Then I would consider picking up One Piece as soon as Water 7 begins, because I know there'd be a good deal of people here & elsewhere, who'd download & support a group, willing enough to make a bold move like that.**
I find all references to "competition" to be ignorant. We've motivated ourselves without any outside pressure quite well for the past 2 years. When K-F started, One Piece was absolutely unknown. And we worked years to try to change that. The real big break was when AnimeSuki posted our torrents.
We're not Anime-Empire which releases so irregularly that they're only on Episode 18 of Beck and Episode 13 of Yakitate. And we're also not AonE or DB which release as fast as humanly possible full of lousy editing and/or sketchy translations. We care about what we put out. We do care about the rate at which we release… I don't think it is unreasonable at all.
Competition, I feel, can only hurt this situation. It would turn it into Naruto - new subbers all over the place putting out whatever they can without rhyme or reason. Just to score points with the leeches.
To the best of my knowledge, gerusama will be continuing to translate through Water Seven for the members of this board.
I'm not trying to undermine what you guys have done with the series, & I'm eternally greatful for your efforts & your dedication over the years, and I will continue on with you guys until you eventually give it away one day.
But I believe, and I've held this belief for a while, that there should be an alternative group besides Kaizoku, for the fans who are crying out to be ahead in the series or at least closer to the Japanese TV episodes. I'm sorry, but that's my feelings on the situation, and I'm not trying insinuate K-F has somehow killed the desire for others to sub this anime, which of course isn't the case (ie: Revquest).
But I'd just like to see a group who can cater for the needs of fans, who don't necessarily want to be waiting a year or more to watch Water 7, is that such a bad thing to want?
I find all references to "competition" to be ignorant. We've motivated ourselves without any outside pressure quite well for the past 2 years.
I don't see why you don't like the idea of competition. If you're as confident in your work as you claim to be (and with good reason….for the most part, K-F does excellent releases) then any competition shouldn't have any effect on you, and it'll please those fans who, for whatever their reasons, do want something different.
When K-F started, One Piece was absolutely unknown. And we worked years to try to change that. The real big break was when AnimeSuki posted our torrents.
I don't exactly see the relevance of this. While I'm certain that the One Piece watching community is grateful as a whole for what K-F has done (I myself would still be stuck with HK Subs if I wanted to watch much of the series, likely, and I'm very glad that that's not the case now), times change, and people change, and I don't think that the fact that ya'll came first is any reason to say that people who also want to try working on the series shouldn't be able to.
Originally posted by dythim@Mar 2 2005, 04:00 PM
**I find all references to "competition" to be ignorant. We've motivated ourselves without any outside pressure quite well for the past 2 years. When K-F started, One Piece was absolutely unknown. And we worked years to try to change that. The real big break was when AnimeSuki posted our torrents.We're not Anime-Empire which releases so irregularly that they're only on Episode 18 of Beck and Episode 13 of Yakitate. And we're also not AonE or DB which release as fast as humanly possible full of lousy editing and/or sketchy translations. We care about what we put out. We do care about the rate at which we release… I don't think it is unreasonable at all.
Competition, I feel, can only hurt this situation. It would turn it into Naruto - new subbers all over the place putting out whatever they can without rhyme or reason. Just to score points with the leeches.
To the best of my knowledge, gerusama will be continuing to translate through Water Seven for the members of this board.
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As dythim says, plz don't call this any competition. I'm doin' this for those who are up-to-date with the current manga/anime. Since I'm releasing the subs in a day or two, the quality is not even near K-F's. The subs are meant to be temporary until K-F catch up.
Plz respect K-F's release speed. I can't think of any fansub group which is releasing with such good quality. B)
_Originally posted by Battle Franky+Mar 2 2005, 09:33 AM–>QUOTE(Battle Franky @ Mar 2 2005, 09:33 AM)But I'd just like to see a group who can cater for the needs of fans, who don't necessarily want to be waiting a year or more to watch Water 7, is that such a bad thing to want?
But gerusama is doing this already, correct?
@Mar 2 2005, 09:45 AM
I don't see why you don't like the idea of competition. If you're as confident in your work as you claim to be (and with good reason….for the most part, K-F does excellent releases) then any competition shouldn't have any effect on you, and it'll please those fans who, for whatever their reasons, do want something different.
I don't exactly see the relevance of this. While I'm certain that the One Piece watching community is grateful as a whole for what K-F has done (I myself would still be stuck with HK Subs if I wanted to watch much of the series, likely, and I'm very glad that that's not the case now), times change, and people change, and I don't think that the fact that ya'll came first is any reason to say that people who also want to try working on the series shouldn't be able to._
_I don't like the idea of competition because, as I said, I don't want it to turn into Naruto.
The relevance of that part you quoted was to reinforce that we've motivated ourselves, without competition and without a fanbase for so long and to dispel the first post's statement that we'll never catch up to Japan's airings.
Gerusama's translations are a god send ^_^ If you're looking for subs of the recent arcs…check them out!
I honestly do feel your frustration - I want to see Water 7 subbed as soon as its released, too! But at this point...is another fansub group really going to risk picking up a licensed series with DVDs on the way sometime this year (according to sources?) I for one am just happy that K-F is still doing One Piece at all. Sure, I admit...I wish they were already into Skypiea and past the damned filler, but the quality is WELL worth it. Speaking from an AMV maker's perspective, Naruto subs are encoded differently and are harder to work with in Premiere. But K-F...I LOVE you guys for your quality. ^_^ It's worth the wait, it really is.
In any case...Try Gerusama's subs. They'll get you through!
I've just read that Saiyaman will encode Gerusama's subs and distribute is as xvid, so there you have your up-to-date subber.
I love K-F's work, and that's the one I'm archiving in CDs. But for the Water 7 arc, I'm really looking forward to seeing its anime form and I've started watching Gerusama's subs since a few weeks ago. When it comes to fansubs, I know to not demand for things, but when things are available, I'll take what's offered. :) And there's one benefit that I think up-to-date subber will have: it can decrease people's urge to buy bootlegs. So I support Gerusama's effort.
I understand Dythim's concern about competition. The tone I got from Naruto speedsubbers in Animesuki is very competitive (and the general Naruto fan population is well, you know), and perhaps that's why it worsened the leecher mentality. But gotta highlight this too: I like Gerusama's attitude that although he makes those subs, he doesn't put himself across as wanting to compete with K-F. I believe that this "competition" in our OP fanbase won't drag down the community like that.
K-F should work the way they're comfortable with. Gerusama as well. No one should feel pressured to do this or that. Just do what makes you happy… in true nakama spirit! :lol:
In the end: Just curious, Dythim, when do you estimate, or hope, K-F will catch up with Japan?
I just tried Gerusama's sub. They're really great. Gerusama, can u make sub for 207-218 too? I kinda want to watch since the begining of Davy Fight arc. You did a really good jod. I like your translation a lot. I'll support both you and K-F.
