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    990: "Thunder Bagua! Enter Kaido's Son"

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    • Crossword
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      If we turn up enough rocks will we find a kid of Blackbeard's or Im's no one knew about until now?

      Title: "Thunder Bagua! Enter Kaido's Son"
      Chapters Covered: 983
      Episode Director: Tatsuya Nagamine (***)
      Animation Director: Masahiro Kitazaki (1/2) + Yong-ce Tu (
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      Time: 8:30PM EST
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      ~Stargazer~, ~Distance~ original stories.

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        I bet there is a dozen Blackbeard kids around the one piece world. M' man Blackbeard be pimpin'!

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          Here Comes Kaidou's Son - Episode 990: https://bittube.tv/post/4692937a-fe67-4f41-8a69-515e0fa45e6b

          One Piece Episode 991 Preview

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            So it looks like unmasked Yamato is next week? And more importantly, Punished Peros next week.

            edit: Luffy being super chill and nonreactive to being carried off by a random tall masked weirdo

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              Hayamin sounds boyish enough. Pretty convincing.

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                ! They just had to get that boob shot in at the last second. Gotta warn my bro not to watch this trailer then…

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                  So it looks like unmasked Yamato is next week?

                  Unless that scene is a cliffhanger and they wait until 992 to actually show Yamato's face, which wouldn't surprise me given the pace of current One Piece.

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                    Since Kitazaki was an AD I was half-expecting him to draw over Shida's Thunder Bagua sequence from Luffy vs. Kaido 1 again but getting Itsuki Tsuchigami (friend of Masami Mori) to handle that part was such a pleasant surprise!

                    Still need to catch up on last week's episode first. Haven't had much energy to watch my shows in a timely manner lately due to work and doing a binge the Evangelion franchise rewatch over the past 2.5 weeks.

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                      Still need to catch up on last week's episode first. Haven't had much energy to watch my shows in a timely manner lately due to work and doing a binge the Evangelion franchise rewatch over the past 2.5 weeks.

                      You're in for an hour of excellent episodes, then.

                      Tonight, I was a bit disappointed at the much longer than usual (lately) recap, but the animation it highlighted from the previous episodes was all pretty awesome, so it was fine.

                      What I didn't like at all, was the extra-long Ulti flashback to sliding down the stairs, which literally happened at the very end of the previous episode, AND during the recap of this episode. And it wasn't just a "here's a quick glance, or series of small cuts, of what happened here". No, they literally replayed pretty much the entire final few minutes of the last episode, right down to Page-One's name card appearing again. That was excessive.

                      Other than that, the episode was superb, as expected of Nagamine.

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                        Luffy’s turn to get hugged out of nowhere.

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                          Well someone was really happy to finally meet Luffy

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                            So last week we had an episode that got right into the swing of things and had like maybe ten seconds of flashback footage total…
                            This week we have a three-minute recap at the start and another minute or so of flashbacking to what happened at the end of last episode, leaving this episode's start very slow…

                            Eh. I can excuse it somewhat because it very much feels like they kinda "sacrificed" the A-part of the episode so that they could be consistently firing on all cylinders for the B-part. When the fighting actually started the rest of the episode was pretty much golden.

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                              They really nailed the obsessed fangirl vibe.

                              https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913949065446850590/964418994973073479/RPReplay_Final1650004792.mov

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                                Awesomely fluid animation and peculiar art style this week. Anyone knows info? Like Ulti hugging P1, Yamato looking his own back or Luffy below here's artists name and/or followable social account.

                                !

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                                  Awesomely fluid animation and peculiar art style this week. Anyone knows info? Like Ulti hugging P1, Yamato looking his own back or Luffy below here's artists name and/or followable social account.

                                  ! https://i.imgur.com/SPXSH0t.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/BV7c87S.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/11b7zm6.png

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                                    First one is Akiko Sugizono: https://twitter.com/3ono3onoex Last two are Itsuki Tsuchigami: https://twitter.com/vflmsppe

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                                    Thank you, really kind of you.

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                                      Worst aspect is probably all those constant low-poly CGI minions in the background. The designs were all generic, same poses, weird miscolored mouths, had more focus than foreground characters. It's left an ugly mark on all the talented animation.

                                      List of clear signs of this episode was rushed:

                                      06:22 - The beginning of the ugly CGI background characters
                                      08:06 - Horrible minion sliding-in animation
                                      08:14 - Lip flaps completely off
                                      08:34 - CGI minions floating up and down for no reason
                                      09:17 - Luffy's comedic response doesn't land right due to the audio and video cuts.
                                      13:20 - Ulti's initial transformation feels like its missing a sound effect, Luffy too in the next shot
                                      13:58 - Some weird pixelated effect at the very end of the Ulti's shot, something to do with how it was edited
                                      14:00 - Ulti's motion tween in the panning shot doesn't match the other characters, looks odd
                                      14:47 - PEAGE 1
                                      15:05 - Luffy lip-flap layer issue (shadow on top)
                                      15:58 - No blood can be seen on head, next shot blood wiped pops-in
                                      16:30 - PEAGE 1
                                      16:35 - Luffy and Ulti's feet leaning on invisible ground
                                      17:32 - PAGE
                                      18:07 - Potentially missing sound effect
                                      22:20 - Shot is way too zoomed in

                                      All of this could be cleared up with some quality control and time. Huge rushed episode, even the preview image from about a week back wasn't colored correctly. Could we get another great episode soon? Feels like it's been a huge string of 'meh' for the past two months.

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                                        This was one of those episodes where we were clearly supposed to fawn over the animation and ignore the obvious pacing issues, but I can't appreciate 2 minutes of quality material while suffering through 18 minutes of lackluster anime. I mean the flashback of Ulti and Page One falling down the stairs wasn't needed ffs, as we saw that scene last week so nobody forgot about it, and speaking of unnecessary scenes, those "tension" scenes where Luffy and Ulti were glaring at each other for like 10 seconds each time were ridiculous. Those scenes are always so cringy, but they stood out in this episode in particular. If the episode needed padding, the animators could've come up with something different, such as extending Luffy vs Ulti and Page One even further than they already did and giving us a really good fight.

                                        Also, I dunno why they skipped the scene from the manga where the BP fodders laughed at Luffy when he said that he wanted to be the Pirate King.

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                                          @Oshawott:

                                          This was one of those episodes where we were clearly supposed to fawn over the animation and ignore the obvious pacing issues, but I can't appreciate 2 minutes of quality material while suffering through 18 minutes of lackluster anime. I mean the flashback of Ulti and Page One falling down the stairs wasn't needed ffs, as we saw that scene last week so nobody forgot about it, and speaking of unnecessary scenes, those "tension" scenes where Luffy and Ulti were glaring at each other for like 10 seconds each time were ridiculous. Those scenes are always so cringy, but they stood out in this episode in particular. If the episode needed padding, the animators could've come up with something different, such as extending Luffy vs Ulti and Page One even further than they already did and giving us a really good fight.

                                          Also, I dunno why they skipped the scene from the manga where the BP fodders laughed at Luffy when he said that he wanted to be the Pirate King.

                                          TBF, they did extend on Luffy vs Ulti quite a bit, and I don't mind stare downs. They didn't overstay their welcome and were pretty short. People need to watch more westerns lol. Those have literally minute long stare downs of literally nothing happening, and the pay is usually pretty miniscule comparatively.

                                          I think the stare downs did a decent enough job of building tension in anticipation for the confrontation here. The OST placements were solid, and there was decent ambience in the background noises that served as alright anticipation for it.

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                                            Worst aspect is probably all those constant low-poly CGI minions in the background. The designs were all generic, same poses, weird miscolored mouths, had more focus than foreground characters. It's left an ugly mark on all the talented animation.

                                            List of clear signs of this episode was rushed:

                                            06:22 - The beginning of the ugly CGI background characters
                                            08:06 - Horrible minion sliding-in animation
                                            08:14 - Lip flaps completely off
                                            08:34 - CGI minions floating up and down for no reason
                                            09:17 - Luffy's comedic response doesn't land right due to the audio and video cuts.
                                            13:20 - Ulti's initial transformation feels like its missing a sound effect, Luffy too in the next shot
                                            13:58 - Some weird pixelated effect at the very end of the Ulti's shot, something to do with how it was edited
                                            14:00 - Ulti's motion tween in the panning shot doesn't match the other characters, looks odd
                                            14:47 - PEAGE 1
                                            15:05 - Luffy lip-flap layer issue (shadow on top)
                                            15:58 - No blood can be seen on head, next shot blood wiped pops-in
                                            16:30 - PEAGE 1
                                            16:35 - Luffy and Ulti's feet leaning on invisible ground
                                            17:32 - PAGE
                                            18:07 - Potentially missing sound effect
                                            22:20 - Shot is way too zoomed in

                                            All of this could be cleared up with some quality control and time. Huge rushed episode, even the preview image from about a week back wasn't colored correctly. Could we get another great episode soon? Feels like it's been a huge string of 'meh' for the past two months.

                                            Bro half of these are nitpicks rather than genuine signs relax lmao, yall get a little too in depth sometimes. Episode had issues in the actual amount of content in the episode but it wasn't some rush job, and if you're gonna ignore that 988 and 989 were good then thats your fault then lol.
                                            (also CG minions are better than having anime staff work to the bone to draw them in every single shot 😉 )

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                                              @Skippy:

                                              Bro half of these are nitpicks rather than genuine signs relax lmao, yall get a little too in depth sometimes. Episode had issues in the actual amount of content in the episode but it wasn't some rush job, and if you're gonna ignore that 988 and 989 were good then thats your fault then lol.
                                              (also CG minions are better than having anime staff work to the bone to draw them in every single shot 😉 )

                                              Sure these are minor issues and nitpicks, but they accumulate, if you just focus on sakuga you aren't looking at the full picture. 😉 Some nice Sakuga ain't gonna save an episode when everything else suffers.

                                              A great example would be Episode of Merry where it was the cracks were obvious. Everything from the the video editing, timing, GGI, layering, lip-flaps, special effects and so on. It all leads to something which is very inconsistent.

                                              Not including a huge group of minions in the background would have worked, half the shots they weren't present anyway. Everything about them were completely off from their character design, poses, expression, focus, repetition. I think there's a good reason why they didn't include shots containing the background characters in the NEP and opening preview. Main point - Toei still isn't ready for anything CG for character models, at least in One Piece.

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                                                Did I say the episode didn't suffer? Bro I even admitted it, I'm not just focusing on the sakuga

                                                Guess this forum is still the same, unfortunate

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                                                  I hate how inconsistent they are with flashbacks. Last week, flashbacks were in a thinner aspect ratio; this week, we get some weird-ass Windows 97 screensaver overlay playing atop Paypal and our janky dino girl.

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                                                  Man, I love Yamato. So glad she’s a crew member soon.

                                                  This episode was phenomenal. All y’all complaining about the opening recap need to learn to tap your “forward ten seconds” buttons a few times. Just skip the beginning and this episode is great. Only two complains are petty: they misspelled “Page One” (Blu-ray correction, hopefully?) and Ulti holding Luffy and facing off with him drags for too long. Otherwise, gorgeous animation and art. Brilliant directing (especially during the fight scene), and great sound design. From Yamato’s new theme to the sound of thunder when she attacked; her voice actress also sounds perfect—Luffy’s equivalent in both earnestness and badassness. I really loved this episode, but the next one looks like some painful pacing.

                                                  How did Ulti get KO’d three times this arc? She’s incredible. Not surprised at all that Nami beat her when she already took this (and later) damage.

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                                                    Guess this forum is still the same, unfortunate

                                                    What do you mean by this?

                                                    Sorry if my response felt a bit cheeky. I enjoy breaking down episodes from a technical POV. There were clear signs things were rushed in post-production. Same with 986.

                                                    I'm not critising you I'm critising a lot of things that get overlooked in the production. (Toei still can't output correctly in full HD and scale objects correctly)

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                                                      Pretty good episode, the Big Mom filler at the beginning was great!

                                                      Everything else was enjoyable as well, they really nailed Ulti as far as I'm concerned. Say, is the track at the end specifically Yamato's theme? I don't remember hearing it before.

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                                                        I was excited for this episode based on the preview but after watching it I thought it was kinda boring and dreading a bit too long on scenes that just weren't good in working up tension. Ulti going back and fort before unsleashing a headbutt is quite an ugly thing to look at and it's kinda funny in a bad way.

                                                        shot out to the fluid bits of Ulti swaying over P1 and the whole Thunder Bagua sequence.

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                                                          I didn't even realize that there were CG minions. Though now looking again… Yeah those sure are CG minions. Strangely enough I feel like the biggest issue with them is that they move. Characters that far in the background don't typically move unless they are actively doing stuff, yet these CG mooks have animated breathing. Which, sure, people irl do move ever-so-slightly even when they are "standing still" but this is a level of detail we rarely get in animated stuffs unless they want to specifically draw attention to it (Like, if they want to show that someone is extremely weary or injured or something).

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                                                            Loooved this episode. Saying the One Piece anime has bad pacing is like saying "Water is wet", and not only that, saying "Water is wet" for 15 years. It's pretty obvious. Saying water is wet won't suddenly change it into a solid.

                                                            I'm really liking the relatively new style of movement where they're making tiny adjustments the whole time, reduces still shots a lot and looks more fluid. Also the lighter linewotk was nice.
                                                            9/10 episode for me, always loved the Luffy vs Ulti skirmish.

                                                            Croc or Enel would never.

                                                            Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.

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                                                              Ulti throwing Paypay to the side like a bag of garbage should be made into a gif.

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                                                                @Zephray:

                                                                I hate how inconsistent they are with flashbacks. Last week, flashbacks were in a thinner aspect ratio; this week, we get some weird-ass Windows 97 screensaver overlay playing atop Paypal and our janky dino girl.

                                                                The aspect ratio change is a quirk of director Kohei Kureta. Noone else does that.

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                                                                  Is there any hint of when we get a new opening? We've been stuck with this one for over a year now…

                                                                  Also, decent episode, the fight with Ult was cool, I like Yamato's voice.

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                                                                    I've just finished catching up after binge watching all of episodes 969-990 (and the corresponding Skippy breakdowns, of course). Another Ishitani episode, Yamauchi acting as director once again, a lot of webgen/foreign animator appearances… I feel spoiled, and catching up at a Nagamine episode is the cherry on top. Anyway, nice episode, this was a clash I loved in the manga and we knew the action scenes were gonna knock it out of the park given the staff involved. Ulti's seiyuu is a highlight for me as well, it doesn't seem like an easy role to play, but she's been killing it. The episode suffered a bit due to only adapting one scene (and a fight one at that), but it was pretty good nonetheless.

                                                                    re: the CG Beast Pirates, I'm of the opinion that they looked awful since I always pay attention to these things and they stood out like a sore thumb to me here, but I understand why they're needed and it's a minor thing so no biggie. Gotta say that Kid's arms a couple episodes back looked much better, however, so props there.

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                                                                      Kid's CG arms were just a good idea in general. The anime has always struggled to even draw his arms, let alone make them move. Making them CG finally allows them to actually make Kid's scenes more than just a less detailed, colored version of his manga panels and makes it so he can actually do stuff on screen.

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                                                                        Agreed, it was a wise decision and it should give the staff some wiggle room whenever Kid is on the screen aside from helping reduce the workload. On that note, Kid's crew has already had more focus in the anime that in all the manga thus far, which is fun to think about hahah.

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                                                                          I for one like the recent aspect ratio changes for flashbacks and wish more of the directors adopted it. The way I see it, the black borders on the top and bottom of the screen is a clever adaptation of how the panel gutters go black during a flashback in the manga.

                                                                          New World is best world.

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                                                                            Kid's CG arms were just a good idea in general. The anime has always struggled to even draw his arms, let alone make them move. Making them CG finally allows them to actually make Kid's scenes more than just a less detailed, colored version of his manga panels and makes it so he can actually do stuff on screen.

                                                                            Yeah, something worth noting for this episode for Kidd's arms, is that even though they CG animated being formed, they actually seemed hand drawn for the majority of the episode. I think its interesting to see that they sort of just drew it as an iron arm, hence you had stuff like Kidd's mechanical hand having a human palm to it. This is not a dig at the animator, it still looked and moved very well, but its interesting to see this approach to simplifying Kidd's arm aesthetic.

                                                                            Sadly, I think its going to be next to impossible to do that with his larger constructs though.

                                                                            Credit to Masahiro Kitazaki for being an absolute work horse on the anime and still producing pretty solid action animation.

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