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How 4Kids SHOULD Have Done It
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The L and R thing doesn't disturb me that much. I actually liked hearing arucard being called Alucard. I wouldn't have minded Len if they didn't call him Lenny. Is it true that Ace's dubbed name is Puma D. Ace
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It is supposed to be Alucard, though. It's Dracula backwards.
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I don't know about Puma…I saw something a long time ago but I thought it was just a typo.
Dang, it better not be…
Heres some examples Arabasta to Alabasta and Zoro to Zolo.
Like Cosmic said, Zoro was always spelled out as Zoro till America got it because of some stupid "copyright" reasons involving a certain masked Spainard.
However, I think "Arabasra" is actually suppose to be "Alabasta". Everytime I hear it, I think "Alabaster", which is kinda sand-colored, I suppose, so it makes sense (to me, anyway).
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Like Cosmic said, Zoro was always spelled out as Zoro till America got it because of some stupid "copyright" reasons involving a certain masked Spainard.
Nope, you can't copyright names. It has nothing to do with Zorro. It has everything to do with 4Kids deciding that Zoro would be too confusing for little kids and then Shueisha trademarking Roronoa Zolo for merchandising purposes.
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Nope, you can't copyright names. It has nothing to do with Zorro. It has everything to do with 4Kids deciding that Zoro would be too confusing for little kids and then Shueisha trademarking Roronoa Zolo for merchandising purposes.
Thank you. I finally know the truth and have a good/better reason to complain about it.
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Ahhh… The whole Zoro/Zolo thing is moot to me.
Anyways, it really is Alabasta. Isn't that how it was spelled on the Eternal Pose that Vivi gave Igaram?
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I think the reason they kept Hiruluk's suicide is because I think 4Kids assigned a different manager to the One Piece dub for the new season. Notice as soon as the new season started the merging ceased.
I think 4Kids could have done a decent dub and still managed their precious Y7 rating. That may sound ridiculous, but it would be possible. If the only changes they made was edit out the blood, tone down the swearing, and if necessary recolor the odd gun, then it would have been a decent dub and they could keep their precious timeslot. They could have even edited the Arlong arc competently and still have kept it a Y7. You're allowed to have death in a Y7 show, obviously, since Hiruluk died. They could have just edited a sword/knife into Arlong's, shown a random slashing sequence, and then have everyone react to Bellemare's death. And with Nami stabbing the tattoo on her arm…what CaptainAWB1 said for it would work fine.
Also, the editing for Usopp vs. Chuu was ridiculous. They did not have to edit the ketchup...there was an episode of Kirby (yes, Kirby, another anime dubbed by 4Kids) that showed King Dedede drenched in red paint in the Halloween episode, and did a sort of Psycho spoof sequence that showed the red paint going down the drain. So since they let that go, they could have let the ketchup go.
And these cigars did NOT need to be edited. Codename: Kids Next Door shows cigars in it all the time. There was a baby smoking a cigar, for Pete's sake! As for cigarettes...they kept them in the Digimon dub, so I don't see why not here.
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Well, were they smoking all the time? Did they make kids think that it was cool to smoke?
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Yeah, I guess you're right. It was just the one kid's dad smoking, so I guess Sanji's cigarette would have to go.
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@mumbo230:
I think the reason they kept Hiruluk's suicide is because I think 4Kids assigned a different manager to the One Piece dub for the new season. Notice as soon as the new season started the merging ceased.
You could be right. That would be interesting to see some official info on.
Unfortunately, they didn't change writers. -_- Still the same old bad puns and outdated slang. And everytime I see something good that gives me hope, all they have to do is have Usopp and Sanji talk, and it's like all for naught. XDAlso, the editing for Usopp vs. Chuu was ridiculous. They did not have to edit the ketchup…there was an episode of Kirby (yes, Kirby, another anime dubbed by 4Kids) that showed King Dedede drenched in red paint in the Halloween episode, and did a sort of Psycho spoof sequence that showed the red paint going down the drain. So since they let that go, they could have let the ketchup go.
Hey, they could have even edited the ketchup without taking out the whole scene. He could have just been playing dead. Or they could have done it in a way to where he mentioned the ketchup a lot sooner so there wasn't any question that it was just ketchup. I'm still convinced that they just screwed up Usopp's character so much that won't keep any scenes that contradicts the image that they created. :glare: They may decide to change, but his voice will have to change a bit. :sleep:
And these cigars did NOT need to be edited. Codename: Kids Next Door shows cigars in it all the time.
I think the standards for cable shows are looser than network television.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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You could be right. That would be interesting to see some official info on.
Unfortunately, they didn't change writers. -_- Still the same old bad puns and outdated slang. And everytime I see something good that gives me hope, all they have to do is have Usopp and Sanji talk, and it's like all for naught. XDHey, they could have even edited the ketchup without taking out the whole scene. He could have just been playing dead. Or they could have done it in a way to where he mentioned the ketchup a lot sooner so there wasn't any question that it was just ketchup. I'm still convinced that they just screwed up Usopp's character so much that won't keep any scenes that contradicts the image that they created. :glare: They may decide to change, but his voice will have to change a bit. :sleep:
I think the standards for cable shows are looser than network television.
Yeah, I just think that 4Kids wanted to get to Chopper faster so they hurried through the end of the Arlong Saga, and just wanted to show the Arlong V.S Luffy climax.
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Hey, they could have even edited the ketchup without taking out the whole scene. He could have just been playing dead. Or they could have done it in a way to where he mentioned the ketchup a lot sooner so there wasn't any question that it was just ketchup. I'm still convinced that they just screwed up Usopp's character so much that won't keep any scenes that contradicts the image that they created. :glare: They may decide to change, but his voice will have to change a bit. :sleep:
They took out most of the fight because it was a very serious and dramatic scene, which would bore the children. Kids don't like that, even in a fight scene they don't want it to be serious, just action-packed and/or silly. Same thing goes for Usopp. Anytime he has to stand and fight and show bravery would bore children.
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They took out most of the fight because it was a very serious and dramatic scene, which would bore the children. Kids don't like that, even in a fight scene they don't want it to be serious, just action-packed and/or silly. Same thing goes for Usopp. Anytime he has to stand and fight and show bravery would bore children.
How do you know? Have you talked to kids about this?
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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You know how most of 4Kids target demographics are…. Short attension span.... They need action otherwise they get bored. Of course this doesn't apply to ALL of them. But most.....
Take a look at the 4Kids forums and figure it out yourself. I swear there are some morons there....Everything was all for nothing
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Exactly. Young children are like that.
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Yeah, I know. At tv.com too. There's this dude that keeps saying all the recent episodes of Drum in the dub have been really boring because there's not enough action. The stupidity of some astounds me.
But still, I don't think they give kids enough credit. You'd think they'd find it a positive thing to show Usopp overcoming fear in a more realistic way.I was not like that as a kid though, and my niece who is now 13 isn't either.
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@mumbo230:
Yeah, I guess you're right. It was just the one kid's dad smoking, so I guess Sanji's cigarette would have to go.
They could've kept Smoker's cigars and the turtle's cigar, then…
Smoker is a bad person (right now) and the turtle is of Baroque Works, which is evil...
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Hey, they could have even edited the ketchup without taking out the whole scene. He could have just been playing dead. Or they could have done it in a way to where he mentioned the ketchup a lot sooner so there wasn't any question that it was just ketchup.
It would be funny if 4Kids turned it into a second "rubber knife" incident. Funny in a sad way, that is.
Dub Usopp thinking to self: All right, remember, this is just ketchup! It's ketchup, right? Yes, it's ketchup! This will fool him, but it is ketchup! Just plain old ketchup! Nothing but plain old ketchup! Remember, ketchup! screeches loudly
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But "Fantastic Voyage" and the whole Laboon fiasco and Little Garden skip came after that point. The only bright spot so far has been Chopper's arc.
And the arcs I've mentioned before. Chopper's arc is taking up most the new season so that's a pretty big bright spot and an indication of things to comes.
As for Fantastic Voyage, 4kids aired most of the first season without deleting episodes, but when the general audience wasn't interested, it forced 4kids to take action into their own hands to improve ratings.
Nope, you can't copyright names. It has nothing to do with Zorro. It has everything to do with 4Kids deciding that Zoro would be too confusing for little kids and then Shueisha trademarking Roronoa Zolo for merchandising purposes.
Wrong again. An idea can be copyrighted and a name can be trademarked. For example DC owns the rights to Superman, therefore I can't publish a comic called "Superman". Someone, probably the creator's family, owns the rights to Zorro and can sue 4kids for copyright infringement. The fact that his name spelled differently doesn't make a difference.
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@OP:
Wrong again. An idea can be copyrighted and a name can be trademarked. For example DC owns the rights to Superman, therefore I can't publish a comic called "Superman". Someone, probably the creator's family, owns the rights to Zorro and can sue 4kids for copyright infringement. The fact that his name spelled differently doesn't make a difference.
I didn't say a name can't be trademarked. I said it can't be COPYRIGHTED. So sorry, you are wrong, they can't be sued for copyright infringement when there is no copyright to infringe. However, having actually looked into this, and even spoken to a Viz rep, the fact is that it had nothing to with Zorro.
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So how do you think they should have made Shanks sound like?
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So how do you think they should have made Shanks sound like?
I don't mind Shanks sounding sort of British, I just wish that if they were going to do that, they'd make the accent sound, you know, more real. I hate fake sounding accents that seem like they're making fun of stereotypes.
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It was british? I thought it was irish. Nobody seems to know what accent that actually was.
But if he wasn't going to have an accent, how do you think he would sound like? I would say they should make him sound similar to the japanese version, but I've never heard him in the japanese version.
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It was british? I thought it was irish. Nobody seems to know what accent that actually was.
But if he wasn't going to have an accent, how do you think he would sound like? I would say they should make him sound similar to the japanese version, but I've never heard him in the japanese version.
You can ask for a clip of Shanks' Japanese voice in the clip thread…
It's funny how nobody seems to know what kind of accent Shanks is supposed to have, which furthers my point about it being bad. XD How about generic anglo-saxon.
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Shanks sounds like a person I saw in a dream once. He was this Omish kid who got abondoned and was sent to Chad then woke up in Easter Island. He then decided to flee to Madagascar where he lived off of monkeys and coconuts until he figured out he had Schizophrenia and killed himself with a coconut. His Japanese voice reminds me of Bon Clay but it isn't the same voice actor. He has the voice of Keroros biggest enemy, Nishizawa-kun
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Why are people saying that 4Kids needs to let people die though?
Like…4 people in the whole thing actually die, and they're all in flashbacks. It's not that big of a sacrifice. XD
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Their death motivates the main character to do whatever it is that they will eventually do.
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Huh? What do you mean by that?
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A (supporting) character's (i.e. Belmere, Hiruluk, Tom) death motivates the main character (Nami, Zoro, Usopp, & Chopper,) to pursue what they will eventually do (Zoro=become the greatest swordsman, Usopp=Be a brave warrior of the sea), or in Nami's case, hate Arlong. Now do you understand?
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Oh ok. Yes I see. Well, so far, two of them did actually die.
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The whole Zoro/Zolo thing was really stupid to me.
You can get away with ripping someone's stuff if just the slightest thing is different, and Zoro and Zorro aren't the same thing anyway.
"Zoro"
"Zorro"
TWO Rs. Heh, yeah.Hell, Vanilla Ice got away with it with just a "ting"
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I didn't say a name can't be trademarked. I said it can't be COPYRIGHTED. So sorry, you are wrong, they can't be sued for copyright infringement when there is no copyright to infringe. However, having actually looked into this, and even spoken to a Viz rep, the fact is that it had nothing to with Zorro.
Roronoa Zoro is quite different from Zorro anyway.I know you didn't say trademark, I did. Whenever they sue someone over rights, they call it a copyright infringement. So sorry, I'm still right. If it has nothing to do with Zorro that's fine but I find that hard to believe. Whoever owns the rights still have a legitmate claim. Also They also can't sell merchandise, or advertise bearing the name Zoro. Still too close.
Ronora Zoro different from Zorro? One is a latino looking swordsman, the other is a latino swordsman. Plus Oda's knack for borrowing traits from existing characters, I'm not so sure they're so different.
The whole Zoro/Zolo thing was really stupid to me.
You can get away with ripping someone's stuff if just the slightest thing is different, and Zoro and Zorro aren't the same thing anyway.
"Zoro"
"Zorro"
TWO Rs. Heh, yeah.Doesn't matter the spelling. Its the intent behind the name. With that logic I can sell a comic book called "Superrman"
George Lucas sued the lead singer of 2 Live Crew, whose stage name was "Luke Skyywalker" for copyright infringment and won.
Hell, Vanilla Ice got away with it with just a "ting"
No he didn't. He was sued for royalties and paid a settlement. Did it again with using Wild Cherry "Play That Funky Music…" without permission and had to pay a settlement too.
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Zoro is Latino?
And George Lucas is evil… If I was him I wouldn't have sued... >_>
And well, USA is known for its frivolous lawsuits... People sue for everything, nowadays...
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Zoro is latino, I used to like that movie a lot.
