Can't find anything about Kotobuki. Is it spelled that way?
The ears and flame things draped around the arms look right but a Kotobuki has a snake tail instead of a fluffy one in all the art I've seen
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Chapter 1,019: Heliceratops
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Not even Naruto resorted to time travel
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The ears and flame things draped around the arms look right but a Kotobuki has a snake tail instead of a fluffy one in all the art I've seen
Also, Yamato's lacking the rooster crest, the monkey hands, scales on the neck and tiger stripes.
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My thought process on Yamato's fruit that no one asked for:
Before this chapter I thought Byakko would fit most thematically because of dragon vs tiger myths. But there are no stripes and the ears/tail are wrong so I'm setting that side. My next guesses would be
1. Kirin. I've seen some people say "there are no hooves" but Dalton didn't have them on his hands either. Also seen the number of horns brought up, but I don't think there's any hard and fast rules that Oda abides by there. Pay Pay loses his horns in his zoan form, Ulti keeps hers, Kaido keeps his original ones in addition to growing normal dragon horns, and Sasaki keeps the same number of horns but they become darker and change shape to be more Triceratops like. Out of all these I think Yamato is most similar to Sasaki, because their horns move position from the sides of the head to the forehead and go from being very curved to more straight.
The ear shape and placement right besides the eyes also says to me deer/giraffe family more than anything else.
2. Some sort of dog/fox. The tail is nice and fluffy. Also it'd give Momo a more prominent dog companion for the Momotarou parallel. I originally thought Inuarashi obviously filled the role, but he hasn't been given much emphasis if Oda is really wanting to lean into the myth instead of just giving superficial nods to it.
3. Koma koma fruit that let's Yamato transform into any amalgamation of the koma species found on Wano.
I'm not 100% committed to any of these because ultimately the fruit name/species/design all comes down to what Oda thinks looks coolest.I'm not sure why Greg's word is being given that much weight. Or if he does have insider information about chapters yet to release why he'd be allowed to tease it on forums without getting fired. Hasn't he been flat out wrong about stuff like traitor Kanjuro?
I'd like this idea as well. If not a Qilin, this could work too, as the beast form of Yamato is unknown and can be considered surprising. And there was a a Koma-related species for Tiger too. Imagine Yamato being able to transform into multiple Zoan variants based on the Chinese Zodiac or something to that effect. Ultimate Zoan indeed.
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Oda's editor: You know the triceratops probably didn't spin around its frill right? Let alone fly with it?
Oda: Prove it lmao
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Hope that the REAL Red-herring was the Gomu-Gomu fruit, and Yams Devil Fruit actuallly belonged to Joyboy. Calling it now with my Hot-take: The Awakening form makes you a Giant/Kaiju that is why Kaido wants it badly: Over-the-Top High Risk/High Reward.
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It's not just about Haki. It's DF users as well. This is why Nami and Franky not becoming users of either just yet is cool.
I'm not too sure what to make of Sasaki's spinning. Can he really move his body as he please like Kumadori and Lucci do for Seimei Kikan or was that added like Queen's mecha body? Either way, it was entertaining. Good on Oda to bring the humor out, despite making Franky hold the fight down with no story substance or at least a newer move. Just compliments to each other about "resilience". Sasaki carries that fight. Even the cheerleaders in the fight carried more weight than Franky.
Franky just dodged and used ingenuity (repetitive method some wanted for Nami smh). Many say Sasaki gets back up, but I don't think so. With Sanji's comment about "firing lasers again and again" along with Franky having to take some time to setup before firing, maybe those are the clues that Franky adds that for a Big Mom, Kaido or other opponent. If that is the case, Franky and Nami got augmentations, while still not showing everything they've learned from the 2 years. Too many ifs to speculate on 1 solid idea tho. It's so scattered.
When it comes to Mythical DF
- I still don't know if that form was a hybrid or not for Sengoku. What is his extra feature outside of transforming, if there is one. Maybe the shockwaves are from him or an ability of the DF? Is there some databook confirmation?
- I can see there being a hybrid form for Orochi and his escapes from death being tied to another feature.
- Devon didn't show a clear form of her transformed or hybrid form when flipping. I know the feature is to change into others.
- Kaido can produce those clouds and his hybrid and reg. transformations are clear.
- Haven't seen a full hybrid form for Marco. His other feature is known.
- With Sengoku and Kaido, they become larger than the other users. Is this tied to how long they've had it, becoming better users, or just the size of the transformation? Orochi and Marco's trans. size haven't changed throughout time. Most likely nothing.
Yamato looks cool. I'm more interested in there being another feature. Maybe he can turn into some kind of plasma like how Marco is made of flames in his beast form. That wouldn't even be the extra feature because Marco's flames helping someone outside of himself tells us that. A lot of possibilities for Yamato. Another break week for people to skip over cool ability possibilities to debate pronouns, Chopper overlap, and Nami face.
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You know what I find weird and confusing and specially distasteful?. that everyone gets a special type of fruit, well maybe not everyone but many characters and the minute that Luffy’s fruit, which has been a piece of useless garbage for the most part especially compared to other fruits, gets some attention, which probably mean or meant nothing, many posters here were up in arms complaining of how Luffy should not be given anymore special treatment or power ups. The complaints were just ridiculous and nonsense.
The way Oda treats Luffy in the story is like when your boss is a relative and that relative, to make sure that other employees know that you’re not getting any special treatment, treats you worse than the other employees, this is How Oda has treated Luffy in a lot of the story. I mean you got Ace a fire logia, Blackbeard has two devil fruits, powerful fruits, and I think he’s gonna get a third one. Yamato seems to have some type or rare magical Japanese being fruit. The other employees seem to be treated better than Luffy. Oh but some one mentions guarding Luffy’s garbage fruit: multiple posters: “why Oda, why, isn’t Luffy special enough?”.
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Tenchu is making sense. Even Enel can mold together sharp objects to mess with Luffy. Anyway you flip it, if there was something more special about Luffy's DF compared to others, it hasn't benefit him yet.
There is no Cipher Pol member losing another DF to compare. Comparing the Lucci group's punishment feels off because it isn't fully explained how he got this promotion. Might be the trauma from other series coming to gnaw at some readers lol. I'm for criticism, but the echo chamber that is based more on former series than solid proof from the current story is evident.
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The ears and flame things draped around the arms look right but a Kotobuki has a snake tail instead of a fluffy one in all the art I've seen
Thanks for the info. Looking at Yamato, I see no Kotobuki and to my surprise, no White Tiger.
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While I won't be too mad if the fights are concluding like this, what gives me a bit of pause is that Oda switches scenes on both the last two fights right when the Tobi Roppo were in the middle of collapsing, instead of getting a DON shot of them lying on the ground defeated.
I think two scenarios are on the table:
1. The Flying Six get back up, all of them, possibly through Awakening.
2. Oda intends to make a collage once every Flying Six is down. I imagine the DON shots you're talking about, with bounty reveals next to them. Basically to hammer home that yes, our crew just defeated the commanders of a Yonkou.
I'm trying to think back to the Dressrosa fights - Oda did make it clear that the officers were staying down, right? I recall maybe Diamante when he was sliced by Kyros as being doubtful…but then, the very next chapter, he slammed his head against Scarlet's tombstone and any doubt banished instantly.
I recall Lao G falling into the chasm Sai created, Machvise flying headfirst into the birdcage, Trebol blowing himself up (lol), Franky and Pink sending each other off in a bro way, Pica also falling into the town after being slashed by Zoro. . .maybe Dellinger is the only one that was so sudden and anticlimactic (specially after he one-shoted like. . .4 of the alliance's top dogs?) that one could've thought "he's getting back up, maybe?". But more than the officers going out in a way that was unmistakably their end, I think these last two fights feel inconclusive because we're lacking the moment when the characters wink at the audience and go "this is over" - steampunk puffer-fish guy being defeated in one punch would make the audience go "he's not done, right?", but then Barto reflects on the fight right after his final blow and that gave it closure, same with Sai, Hajrudin, Franky, Zoro. . .
So yeah, either we have the Awaken chapter (so many people banking on that it's going to be weird when that chapter doesn't exist. . .ever), or Oda's waiting for that collage of "Sasaki, ex-captain of the Kokoro Pirates, bounty: 635M, defeated by Iron Man Franky", meaning the SH's are officialy Yonkou Crew material.
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When the warlords were introduced they were the strongest pirates we knew of. The Strawhats defeated Baroque Works with realitve ease, so you could assume they were "Warlord Level". Like, I know they struggled a bit, but they all had enough strength to find the bomb and defeat fodder after their matches.
CP9 was the secret World Government agency hyped up by Vice Admirals. Those fights are probably the most gag and joke stuffed fights in the series and all Strawhats bar Luffy had enough strength left over to fight off Navy Captains.
I just find it funny that fans seem to have an issue with the Strawhats doing well against an Emperor's crew despite them having difficulty. Luffy has been knocked out 3 times now. Zoro has broke dozens of bones. Sanji was captured and had to cry for help. Nami and Ussop were almost literally murdered and the General has taken the most damage and the Franken sword was destroyed. I just wonder what some fans want or expected from this raid that they aren't getting. I get wanting more pages per scene, but I feel like the difficulty is there and more prevalent than previous arcs except for Sabaody.
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I'm definitely leaning Raiju now. Interestingly, the kanji used for Raiju is 雷獣, which is literally "thunder" and "beast." We have actually seen this before in one of Enel's attacks where Oda used these Kanji but wrote out the name of the attack as Kiten. In other words, we've essentially seen one interpretation of how Oda pictures Raiju.
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Jumping on the Kirin wagon.
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I'm not sure why Greg's word is being given that much weight. Or if he does have insider information about chapters yet to release why he'd be allowed to tease it on forums without getting fired. Hasn't he been flat out wrong about stuff like traitor Kanjuro?
His most recent tweet pretty much confirms that he knows more than we do. The difference is that Greg doesn't know everything so he also gets to theorize and be wrong about stuff. This could be another case where he just believes his theory about Yamato's Devil Fruit to be confirmed, but he seems to be very confident in what he thinks.
In fact, his comments make me think that there's shapeshifting involved. Was it the Raiju who had those powers? But then there's still the fact that this hybrid form seems to be more fire/flame cloud attuned than lightning.
Just think about it. Isn't it weird that nobody can agree what animal Yamato is supposed to be? I don't know if the Japanese fanbase is just as confused as we are, but to me that's definitely off. I don't think we have ever had the case that a Zoan ability is so ambiguous -
The official release manages to make the Franky/Sasaki trade off even more funnier lol. But Franky doesnt get his VS chapter yet so I dont think Sasaki is finished here. Sasaki is awesome too!
As for Yamato, ehhh I'll just wait for the reveal. But my Monster Hunter ass couldnt say it is a Kirin, Kirin is supposed to have draconic/thunder power XD
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I can't believe some wanted Yamato to be a T-Rex, that would've been quite boring, on top of us already having enough dinosaurs as it is.
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It's not just about Haki. It's DF users as well. This is why Nami and Franky not becoming users of either just yet is cool.
I'm not too sure what to make of Sasaki's spinning. Can he really move his body as he please like Kumadori and Lucci do for Seimei Kikan or was that added like Queen's mecha body? Either way, it was entertaining. Good on Oda to bring the humor out, despite making Franky hold the fight down with no story substance or at least a newer move. Just compliments to each other about "resilience". Sasaki carries that fight. Even the cheerleaders in the fight carried more weight than Franky.
A zoan transformation is literally changing the anatomy of your body, and we've seen that with enough practice you can have some degree of control over how you want it to change such as Chopper's bunch of transformations or Lucci going into a 4th, slim hybrid form to suit his combat needs. This stuff with Sasaki is along those lines imo and mostly similar to Kaku being able to manipulate his body in all kinds of ways like pasta machine. Thats pretty much how I see for an in universe explanation but in reality its probably just something Oda thought was fucking hilarious and cool, and judging by the reception he is right lmao
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Why all the hate on Yamato's form? I think their form looks fine, no matter what the DF turns out to be. And this is only their hybrid form, we haven't seen the full beast yet.
@MDL:
Jumping on the Kirin wagon.
HA-HA! I was waiting to see if someone would mention that!
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Are the chapters being delayed because of the Olympics? My friend seems to think so
also any idea on when we'll get that 50 character color spread?
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Helicopter Triceratops is just flat out brilliant. Had to stop reading to collect my wits after seeing it.
Yamato's fruit strikes me as a Kirin, based only on the horns, the whispy mythic flame fur, and the facial profile of a grazing mammal. I think Oda has some leeway in choosing which features to keep, with the Kirin being a mythical creature and all.
Of course, my evidence is weak so if Yamato ends up being something else, I'm fine with it. The real draw for me is in what sort of supernatural abilities this mythical Zoan fruit provides.FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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His pride in being one of the flying six kept him from blacking out after the gaoh cannon, and then he says something along the lines of if i'm going down i'm taking you with me. Doesn't sound like i still have more to give mid-point talk to me, so i'm gonna say that he's down for the count
The more I think about it there's no reason the Flying 6 can't be bat and temporarily knocked out only to get back up minuted or a half hr later like Luffy is allowed to do constantly.
Even Krieg got back up yelling like a mad man after he was K.O'ed.
The way they get down I wouldnt be surprised if some of the Beast Pirates look at things as "I'm not dead so why give up?"
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I wish if i could find it entertaining but the spin attack of Sasaki was such a stupid and repetitive design
Oda finishing the tobi robbo so quickly, just what a let down. I found Who'sWho more interesting than 95% of characters appeared post time skip yet he was done in one
And now super Wanda is fighting Kaido, the whole chapter was bad except for short funny moments of Franky.
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We're about halfway through volume 101 now and Oda definitely seems to be using this book to wrap up the crew battles and leave only the final round against Kaido for 102. The end is close. And man, people complain about fights being so much offscreen and only getting one chapter, but there were a lot of back and forth action beats in this one chapter alone. I don't feel shortchanged on Franky and Sasaki at all.
The colour spread this week is overshadowed by the absolutely magical Where's Wally crossover (hey has anyone got the full size digital rip of that yet?), but that doesn't mean it's got nothing to offer. The scenario recalls the final part of the escape from Impel Down, but in a much more fun and lighthearted way. I really like Jinbe's kimono and I adore Franky's hair. Definitely a win for Oda.
Apparently the scan version used Triceracopter instead of Heliceratops for the title, and to be honest I don't know which one I prefer. They both sound hilarious.
I think I said in the last discussion thread that I wanted the claw in Queen's hair to be used in battle, and Oda has opened this chapter with exactly what I asked for. I've gone off Sanji as a character in recent years, but I'm looking forward to getting back to this fight.
Luffy's alive again down on the sea, ready to track down Momo and make his way back up. The narration namedrops the submarine being the Polar Tang. I know that came up in an SBS, but is this the first time it's been mentioned in an actual chapter?
There's not much to say about Sasaki's design and powers that isn't just a babbled stream of praise for Oda's creativity and humour. This is possibly the most fun use of a Zoan type since Kaku. The spinning frill absolutely slayed me, and the backwards accelleration gag is gold. It really is just a fun piece of work. Show me the paleontologist who could prove this isn't what dinosaurs actually did. Where's the fossil record? I liked how hard the General Franky was pushed during the fight. It can take serious damage that disables limbs and weapons in a way Oda isn't often willing to do in the human fights. Franky being forced to eject and fight on his own at the end was the right move, making it clear it's Franky very much has his own power, he's not just relying o the robot to fight for him. I wonder if it'll get an upgrade or a redesign when he repairs it?
Kaido's hybrid form is looking good here. The hunched forward pose with the fail whipping around behind him shows it off a lot better than its reveal. I'm not sure what to say about Yamato's new form because I'm not sure what it's meant to represent. Feels like it could be any number mythical things it could be just from what I know, and there's plenty I don't. It's definitely cool looking, but without knowing what it's meant to be, how do you judge whether it achieved that? Hopefully we're not left hanging too long. It's not like Oda to leave contentious details about Yamato up for debate for long periods of time, right? Right…?
So that's chapter 1019. None of the big plot hints of the past two, but it was classic One Piece fun the whole time. It's hard to say where we're going after this. Oda might want to spread the Strawhat climaxes out by doing any number of the other fights waiting to conclude (and even start). Let's look at what we've got to go...
Brook and Robin vs Black Maria
Sanji vs Queen
Drake vs Apoo
Killer vs Hawkins
Dog vs Jack
Cat vs Perospero
Raizo vs Fukurokuju
Marco vs King
Law and Kid vs Big MomPlus a moment for Zoro now that he's healed and the chopping of Orochi's last head (which I assume Denjiro will take). And probably some kind of conclusion for Kaido and Yamato's fight.
That's 14 conflicts to wrap up (assuming Usopp isn't going to get a moment to himself too) but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll all get their own full chapter. I could see things like the presumed defeats of Marco and Yamato being used as a stinger in someone else's chapter, and Oda could definitely double up some of the Scabbard fights in half a chapter each as well. There's definite potential to wrap up everything except Sanji, Zoro and the clash against Big Mom (and of course the final Kaido clash) in the five chapters left of this volume. But we'll see where Oda takes it.
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When the warlords were introduced they were the strongest pirates we knew of. The Strawhats defeated Baroque Works with realitve ease, so you could assume they were "Warlord Level". Like, I know they struggled a bit, but they all had enough strength to find the bomb and defeat fodder after their matches.
From the warlords we met up to that point and how they were described, it didnt really indicate they had a crew.
Crocodile's BW was described as a collection of infamous ppl not his crew.
So of anything Luffy became warlord level. Not the strawhats. Same thing repeats itself with Moria.
It was only until Dressrosa where I feel you could call the strawhats warlord level cuz Doffy kept his crew intact.
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@Zik:
From the warlords we met up to that point and how they were described, it didnt really indicate they had a crew.
Crocodile's BW was described as a collection of infamous ppl not his crew.
So of anything Luffy became warlord level. Not the strawhats. Same thing repeats itself with Moria.
It was only until Dressrosa where I feel you could call the strawhats warlord level cuz Doffy kept his crew intact.
For me Luffy became warlord level after the timeskip. Luffy’s fruit quite frankly has been one of the weakest. Its major natural ability is tanking Blunt force. Luffy being the protagonist have found ways to enhance himself in a way that I don’t think was natural to the fruit but it sort of works. His enhancements has made him a good brawler which fits well with his natural tanking ability. Before the timeskip even though he had the two gears, he just didn’t seem like having that warlord wide range damage causing ability to me or that he posed that great threat. I know he beat lucci and Moira but still it just didn’t feel like he had that you know power threat capability. He was running on a lot of hype. The crocodile fight was ridiculous, never liked that fight and I feel like Luffy shouldn’t have won it without haki.
After the timeskip is when I felt that Luffy had actual tangible power, the type of power that goes beyond being the protagonist, power that powerful people in the manga had. Power to take down 50,000 weaklings because you know I’m a big name, yes a warlord level big name.
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In my eyes Yamato looks more like a Japanese serow than anything else.
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When you update Page One's design properly, but turn Sasaki into a goofy one.:blink:
I can't believe I forgot how goofy Kaku's giraffe was (outside of just shape) until I saw a comment recently comparing the situations…Yamato's hybrid form looked freakishly weird at first glance, but it's already been growing on me.
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I am more curious to know why Kaidou wanted that fruit specifically.
What properties could it have that it was that important to him.
I also like Yamato's explanation for staying, he couldn't swim and had unfinished business. A far better excuse than, Queen put explosive cuffs on his hands.
Can't really believe that was the end of Franky's fight. I wonder when the Straw Hats will face an actual challenge in the new world. I loved WCI because it was pure survival mode. Big Mom and her kids felt appropriately terrifying for an emperor.
Now with how the flying six are going down. I can't help but wonder how the beast pirates are a threat to the Marines. Send nearly half the marines and they would absolutely wreck the Beast pirates.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Now with how the flying six are going down. I can't help but wonder how the beast pirates are a threat to the Marines. Send nearly half the marines and they would absolutely wreck the Beast pirates.
The Beast Pirates' strength relies partly on their sheer numbers and the Marines doesn't have Tama to convert the most powerful mooks to their sides. The Strawhats + their allies were struggling until Tama sent out her orders.
There's also the location of Wano. They'd have to invade a foreign land who until that point successfully kept the World Government out of their business for 800 years. It's not just the Beast Pirates they have to deal with, it's all of Wano.
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**I am more curious to know why Kaidou wanted that fruit specifically.
What properties could it have that it was that important to him.**
I also like Yamato's explanation for staying, he couldn't swim and had unfinished business. A far better excuse than, Queen put explosive cuffs on his hands.
Can't really believe that was the end of Franky's fight. I wonder when the Straw Hats will face an actual challenge in the new world. I loved WCI because it was pure survival mode. Big Mom and her kids felt appropriately terrifying for an emperor.
Now with how the flying six are going down. I can't help but wonder how the beast pirates are a threat to the Marines. Send nearly half the marines and they would absolutely wreck the Beast pirates.
I would like to hear other people's opinion on this either. I would assume Kaido didnt get the fruit so he could eat it himself (as he already has one) and I don't think he acquired it just so he can sell it. So maybe he had someone on his mind already. Maybe one of his calamaties before they had their fruit (Jack?)? Or maybe Yamato's mom, so they would be a couple with the strongest Zoan fruits? Or maybe someone else entirely? (He acquired it for 'Joyboy'?)
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I am more curious to know why Kaidou wanted that fruit specifically.
What properties could it have that it was that important to him.
I also like Yamato's explanation for staying, he couldn't swim and had unfinished business. A far better excuse than, Queen put explosive cuffs on his hands.
Can't really believe that was the end of Franky's fight. I wonder when the Straw Hats will face an actual challenge in the new world. I loved WCI because it was pure survival mode. Big Mom and her kids felt appropriately terrifying for an emperor.
Now with how the flying six are going down. I can't help but wonder how the beast pirates are a threat to the Marines. Send nearly half the marines and they would absolutely wreck the Beast pirates.
The average Gifter alone could take a hundred or so infantry Marines. They're DF users after all, and some were former NW pirates who can use Haki.
Whitebeard's forces were in the 5000-6000 mark. Kaido's crew is 6x that number.
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As Robby brought up, one of the bigger mysteries about Yamato's devil fruit is why the face isn't segmented like most Zoans. I suppose Who's Who begs the same question though…
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As Robby brought up, one of the bigger mysteries about Yamato's devil fruit is why the face isn't segmented like most Zoans. I suppose Who's Who begs the same question though…
You man where it should be half fur and half skin essentially?
That's a good point
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As Robby brought up, one of the bigger mysteries about Yamato's devil fruit is why the face isn't segmented like most Zoans. I suppose Who's Who begs the same question though…
The real answer is prtobably "rule of cool", as Oda likes to try new designs rather than being constrained by rules made 20 years ago.
In-story, maybe it's because a zoan's form is influenced by the user's personality, so there's lots of variations. The same fruit on different people could have different traits in hybrid form.After seeing several ways of "customizing" hybrids forms (Lucci's kami-e slim form, Kaku's pasta machine, Sasaki's heliceratops, Chopper's rumble balls, plus whatever awakened zoans are), maybe the hybrids can look even more fluid as the users gets to know better how to use his power.
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Yamato looks like a goat too, is there any mythical goat creature?
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I don't knoe why, but everytime I think of Sasaki doing his flying thing, I hear the Moon theme from Ducktales.
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@uniaka:
Yamato looks like a goat too, is there any mythical goat creature?
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Come to think of it there isn't a mythical Ushi Ushi model yet.
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I don't knoe why, but everytime I think of Sasaki doing his flying thing, I hear the Moon theme from Ducktales.
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Come to think of it there isn't a mythical Ushi Ushi model yet.
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@Zar:
The Beast Pirates' strength relies partly on their sheer numbers and the Marines doesn't have Tama to convert the most powerful mooks to their sides. The Strawhats + their allies were struggling until Tama sent out her orders.
There's also the location of Wano. They'd have to invade a foreign land who until that point successfully kept the World Government out of their business for 800 years. It's not just the Beast Pirates they have to deal with, it's all of Wano.
Sure, but I think there are strong Vice admirals and people of Coby's level who can handle them.
As for location, the WG knows exactly what's going on Wano based on the CP0, so they definitely the Wano citizens are in absolutely no position to refuse the Marines help
The average Gifter alone could take a hundred or so infantry Marines. They're DF users after all, and some were former NW pirates who can use Haki.
Whitebeard's forces were in the 5000-6000 mark. Kaido's crew is 6x that number.
I still think the average Vice admiral can take care of a bunch of Gifter by themselves. They too should have access to DF and haki as far as we know.
If Marco can keep Queen and King at bay. I think a single admiral can take all 3 of them on and win convincingly.
Do we know how many marines there are in total? I think they have really big force right? Otherwise it would be impossible to police Grand line, The Blues and New world.
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I would like to hear other people's opinion on this either. I would assume Kaido didnt get the fruit so he could eat it himself (as he already has one) and I don't think he acquired it just so he can sell it. So maybe he had someone on his mind already. Maybe one of his calamaties before they had their fruit (Jack?)? Or maybe Yamato's mom, so they would be a couple with the strongest Zoan fruits? Or maybe someone else entirely? (He acquired it for 'Joyboy'?)
I think it must have something to do with Kaidou's love for battle or thirst for death.
Perhaps this is the one zoan that can harm him without using special haki or being killer?
Or he must have known the previous user and held it for sentimental value. Perhaps Xebec's fruit?
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Loved the Franky vs Sasaki fight. I hope it's not over but if it is, at least the little we saw was pretty good.
I absolutely loathe Yamato's hybrid form though. It's not BAD per se, but it manages to include basically everything i (personally) hate when it comes to character design.
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Ulti also doesn't have it and Black Maria if you want to bring up her weird case.
We see Ulti in full beast form, clearly without it, and in half beast form, still masked up, so I'd say it's hard to tell. Everything is up in the air with Black Maria.
The real answer is prtobably "rule of cool", as Oda likes to try new designs rather than being constrained by rules made 20 years ago.
In-story, maybe it's because a zoan's form is influenced by the user's personality, so there's lots of variations. The same fruit on different people could have different traits in hybrid form.I do think Oda does this, but I don't think he would be so inconsistent without a reason in this particular case, in the same chapter where Sasaki and Kaido have that design quirk apparent.
After seeing several ways of "customizing" hybrids forms (Lucci's kami-e slim form, Kaku's pasta machine, Sasaki's heliceratops, Chopper's rumble balls, plus whatever awakened zoans are), maybe the hybrids can look even more fluid as the users gets to know better how to use his power.
This is interesting. It would be fascinating if there was something Yamato figured out about zoan fruits that Kaido doesn't know that allows him to have a more smooth hybrid form.
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I'm not sure why Greg's word is being given that much weight. Or if he does have insider information about chapters yet to release why he'd be allowed to tease it on forums without getting fired. Hasn't he been flat out wrong about stuff like traitor Kanjuro?
To be fair, Byakko and Kirin hold some very recognizable characteristics that should be present even in hybrid form(from what we've seen from others Zoans).
If it was either, we wouldn't be having a discussion at all.
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Damn Oda! Why did you gave nine tail fox fruit to someone whom we would see very little of until the final fight.
Yamato with that fruit would have been epic.“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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I'd say Yamato is a Kutabe.
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For me Luffy became warlord level after the timeskip. Luffy’s fruit quite frankly has been one of the weakest. Its major natural ability is tanking Blunt force. Luffy being the protagonist have found ways to enhance himself in a way that I don’t think was natural to the fruit but it sort of works. His enhancements has made him a good brawler which fits well with his natural tanking ability. Before the timeskip even though he had the two gears, he just didn’t seem like having that warlord wide range damage causing ability to me or that he posed that great threat. I know he beat lucci and Moira but still it just didn’t feel like he had that you know power threat capability. He was running on a lot of hype. The crocodile fight was ridiculous, never liked that fight and I feel like Luffy shouldn’t have won it without haki.
After the timeskip is when I felt that Luffy had actual tangible power, the type of power that goes beyond being the protagonist, power that powerful people in the manga had. Power to take down 50,000 weaklings because you know I’m a big name, yes a warlord level big name.
I would disagree cuz devil fruit aside Luffy was still strong enough to beat Crocodile, Lucci, and Moria. Yes his tanking blunt force kept him in fights or made him able to bounce back quicker but as main character I think we both know it's hi. Indomitable will never give up attitude that allows him to keep fighting. In that sense I'd compare him to Garp.
And I get what you're saying even though Luffy may be as strong as them the warlords all seem to have had insta kill type abilities, devil fruit or not; Mihawk has the best swordsman title so he isn't even bound to rules of DFs or restricted from being overpowered. He's cutting huge ships in half and fending off swordsmen with butter knives. Doffy and Kuma can defeat you in seconds, Hancock, Moria, and Croc have instakills basically, Blackbeard and Law have overpowered DF abilities (and I'm not even sure the Marines or WG knew he BB had the darkness DF).
Even ppl who were asked to be warlords like Ace have that quickly defeat you logia ability.
The only ppl who are questionable when it comes to that are Jimbe and Weevil. I assume Oda will give him something close to a had ability. The only reason Jimbe cant do something like control the water in your body and blow you up from the inside is cuz Oda planned to have him be a strawhat and in exchange for that Jimbe comes off on the higher end of stronger warlords with Doffy and Mihawk.
So yeah Luffy by himself doesn't have anything like that and the stretching and tanking blunt force of the rubber DF isn't going to be had in anyway. Even Luffy's fighting innovations haven't given him that and I don't think he'll ever really have that sort of ability. With that said I feel what puts him on that level before the time skip is strength. He's grown in that and has had pretty monstrous strength. The stuff he does post time skip as far as being a big name and taking out a bunch of weaklings seems mostly attributed to haki. His infamy is solely tied to the crazy shit he has done; declaring war on the WG, punching a world noble, being Dragon's son, breaking out of Impel Down, trying to save Ace with Whitebeard, etc. The rest is due to the fake strawhats impersonating him and his crew. It's not like with Moria who many know he can steal your shadow and you basically die or live in darkness forever or Doffy who can control you and make you kill yourself or others, or Crocodile, Hancock, Mihawk, Law, etc.
I feel within the world of OP he was seen as warlord level once the Marines found out he beat Crocodile. Also in a hypothetical situation, I think that if Enies Lobby happened after Thriller Bark Luffy would've been asked to become a warlord the second he beat Moria. Sequence of events get rearranged and I'm pretty sure it'd be Kuma delivering the invitation.
I'm thinking the same about Luffy being warlord level in a scenario where he isn't a rubber man and just human. Oda would pretty much have things be the sane except for the Enel fight where then i just assume Usopp would have some rubber gloves lying around the ship for some reason. Instead of gears Luffy would probably be a bit more like Bam from Tower of God and learn his opponent's fighting styles and techniques so Luffy would've just learned soru and tekkai (and any other rokushiki move he wanted).
With Luffy he doesn't have that threat level word of mouth, its more of when you actually have to fight him and even then his opponent's don't realize it or want to admit it. The fear a warlord instills usually won't be there.
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@Don:
In my eyes Yamato looks more like a Japanese serow than anything else.
Love how for the next two weeks everyone is becoming apologists and mythical creature researchers.
Learning about a lot of animals, yokai, and made up monsters I've never heard of before.
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I would like to hear other people's opinion on this either. I would assume Kaido didnt get the fruit so he could eat it himself (as he already has one) and I don't think he acquired it just so he can sell it. So maybe he had someone on his mind already. Maybe one of his calamaties before they had their fruit (Jack?)? Or maybe Yamato's mom, so they would be a couple with the strongest Zoan fruits? Or maybe someone else entirely? (He acquired it for 'Joyboy'?)
The who is a mystery but I'm sure Yamato's DF has some really special mythical ability that would make Kaido even more of a force as an emperor.
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I loved that fight and I like the teaser we have for Yamato's DF.
Anyway, my first thought looking at the comments is how much of a shitstorm it will be when "the fights are not over because the tobiroppo will awaken" doesn't happen.
The "5 Acts" theory not happening is still funny to me since not many people still believe in it but I'm really not looking forward to "the fights are actually over" discussion.
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Damn Oda! Why did you gave nine tail fox fruit to someone whom we would see very little of until the final fight.
Yamato with that fruit would have been epic.I'm pretty sure just like Sanji's name change Oda is going to shy away from the core of his main cast having shared names with previous contemporaries.
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I'd say Yamato is a Kutabe.
Oda must have Yamato's extra 7 or 6 eyes shrewdly hidden on his second head.
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What if Yamato’s fruit is a hito hito no mi variant of Goddess Amaterasu ? Can’t she transform into a wolf ?
