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The story book angle didn't seem to come up until the author got a bit petty with the looming cancelation.
Personally I kinda liked the 4th wall "it's all just a story" aspect. But the sudden, we wanna save werewolves is kinda a stopper on Velou's goals.
Wow, its like the ending to Barrage all over again. "I had this really cool twist in mind that would have been neat after 200 chapters, but here it is at 15 instead."
I mean, you could have just had some kind of open ended ending… and then tried your twist again on your next project?
But yeah... first the author blamed the readers for not not appreciating his slow pace and bad storytelling, and now he's breaking the fourth wall to insult the editor. Yikes.
That attitude isn't going to take him very far when he tries again.
The overall trainwreck is very Time Paradox Ghostwriter.
I've no idea what's happening or why backgrounds ceased to exist.
They stopped drawing background in the previous chapter. They gave up.
They even started pasting in entire old pages to fill space.
I dunno, unlike Fire Force ´s weird fanservice meta-chapters, to me none of the meta scenes felt like the author trying to dunk on someone (at least during this chapter)
Also, if someone is interested, here is the author´s twitter account: https://twitter.com/KawaguchiTw
With the whole, wanting to make Velou the main character motivation for the Mayor. I wonder if that meant someone wanted Red Hood to be the main.
Red Hood is the current main, the mayor wanted to replace her with Velou. But that sounds like it's trying to be meta for the sake of being meta and inconsistent with the actual manga, which neglected both Velou and Grimm.
I got the feeling that Kawaguchi was dunking on the editor again, not the readers: "someone other than I is editing the outline", "whoever does the writing does not mater to whoever does the reading". Interpreted as: the editor changed the out line for the worse, but people who read the manga don't care whose fault it is, the author and the manga take the fall anyway. Then, after Cinderella and Lycaon blamed the mayor for the wolf brothers, Grimm is the one responsible for the training arc. So the implication is that the author didn't write anything past the first chapter.
I dunno, unlike Fire Force ´s weird fanservice meta-chapters, to me none of the meta scenes felt like the author trying to dunk on someone (at least during this chapter)
Also, if someone is interested, here is the author´s twitter account: https://twitter.com/KawaguchiTw
It might be foolish to judge by three pictures, but it looks like the the author likes drawing creatures (and is damn good at it too). Which makes it even more weird that the Werewolves vanished form the story.
What the hell happened behind the scenes?
The irony in all this is that people here keep talking about it. I mean there's lots of indifference and complaints and already this thread is six pages long while stuff like Tokyo Revengers one of the hottest manga here in Japan right now is only at two pages even though it's got 225 chapters already. Honestly why not read that instead?
The irony in all this is that people here keep talking about it. I mean there's lots of indifference and complaints and already this thread is six pages long while stuff like Tokyo Revengers one of the hottest manga here in Japan right now is only at two pages even though it's got 225 chapters already. Honestly why not read that instead?
Sometimes it's more fun to watch a trainwreck.
@Zar:
Sometimes it's more fun to watch a trainwreck.
I can totally get behind that. One if my fondest manga reading memories is reading Bleach onba weekly basis because that was just terribly bad and fun to get irritated by. Same with Fairy Tail and Naruto, though honestly Bleach was a league of its own. Red Hood on the other hand is not a trainwreck. I'm not saying it's great but it definitely is not a trainwreck. It's just there so I don't get the obsession with it. I mean as a comparison just check the conversation (or lack of such) in the Neru thread.
The irony in all this is that people here keep talking about it. I mean there's lots of indifference and complaints and already this thread is six pages long while stuff like Tokyo Revengers one of the hottest manga here in Japan right now is only at two pages even though it's got 225 chapters already. Honestly why not read that instead?
Because we didn't KNOW we were starting a doomed series four months ago, but that's been so clearly on the wall its just kind of interesting to stick it out for a few more weeks. Same with Barrage or Time Paradox Ghost Writer.
Red Hood looked like it could be up my alley and the art was nice.
Its a shame. I don't actually start reading that many new series, I just don't have time for it generally, and I keep grabbing losers. By the time a series is established and popular its now a big backlog. And I have plenty of lengthy series to get through already
On the other hand I actually enjoyed Promised Neverland all the way through while everyone reading it weekly ended up hating it, so pros and cons.
Because we didn't KNOW we were starting a doomed series four months ago, but that's been so clearly on the wall its just kind of interesting to stick it out for a few more weeks. Same with Barrage or Time Paradox Ghost Writer.
Red Hood looked like it could be up my alley and the art was nice.
Its a shame. I don't actually start reading that many new series, I just don't have time for it generally, and I keep grabbing losers. By the time a series is established and popular its now a big backlog. And I have plenty of lengthy series to get through already
On the other hand I actually enjoyed Promised Neverland all the way through while everyone reading it weekly ended up hating it, so pros and cons.
That's a weird thing to say seeing that on the first page already people weren't praising the storytelling skills calling it nediocre at best. It was pretty much the artwork and the setting that seemed to have gotten peooke interested. And following that page the very early critism already began which is totally fair. But it doesn't really match the "we didn't know" argument since "this looks like a goner" seems to have been the only discussion going on here from the get go. I mean I'm not complaining I just find the narrative about how the series has been percieved here kinda interesting and I'm curious to know why it is like this.
I know what you mean about grabbing losers. I also haven't been able to experience to get into a long running series from day one. I would really like to do it once just for the sake of experiencing of hiw it feels to folow a manga from its baby steps.
I also get the being busy part. But I still try to find the time to give established or finished series a go. Just two months ago I started Tokyo Revengers abd Haikyuu which I both like a lot. The problem with the latter one though is that it is finished already so I can't much talk about it since it's kinda pointless to revive a sleeping thread for this. TR on the other hand seems to be popular anywhere alse but here. XD
I know what you mean about grabbing losers. I also haven't been able to experience to get into a long running series from day one. I would really like to do it once just for the sake of experiencing of hiw it feels to folow a manga from its baby steps.
Somehow I managed to do that with Fairy Tail, it feels weird to see people refer to it as a classic on Reddit or so and even worse: People saying "old FT was better than the last arcs" when Mashima just stayed true to his style for the entire duration.
That's a weird thing to say seeing that on the first page already people weren't praising the storytelling skills calling it nediocre at best. It was pretty much the artwork and the setting that seemed to have gotten peooke interested. And following that page the very early critism already began which is totally fair. But it doesn't really match the "we didn't know" argument since "this looks like a goner" seems to have been the only discussion going on here from the get go. I mean I'm not complaining I just find the narrative about how the series has been percieved here kinda interesting and I'm curious to know why it is like this.
I know what you mean about grabbing losers. I also haven't been able to experience to get into a long running series from day one. I would really like to do it once just for the sake of experiencing of hiw it feels to folow a manga from its baby steps.
I also get the being busy part. But I still try to find the time to give established or finished series a go. Just two months ago I started Tokyo Revengers abd Haikyuu which I both like a lot. The problem with the latter one though is that it is finished already so I can't much talk about it since it's kinda pointless to revive a sleeping thread for this. TR on the other hand seems to be popular anywhere alse but here. XD
Lots of stories start our shaky, but if they show some promise it's often worth sticking with it a few chapters to see if it finds its footing. Dandandan and Ranger Reject are some recent examples for me. Other times a series can be a dud but there might be one or two elements I really like - PPPPPP is anything but interesting but I like the mentor character and amateur-author feeling so I'm sticking with it for a few more chapters. Red Hood did the monster element well and I really hoped it would get a grip on it's weaker aspects, but instead of getting better - or fizzle out into blandness - it started doing some really weird things that were interesting to discuss. Like the whole meta angle that divide people whether it was a genuine attempt at storytelling or the author criticising their own readers. The last few weeks have been a long string of "I want this to make it" and "wow what is this series doing?" and that keeps me coming back. Up until this chapter it felt like it still had some chance. But alas.
Never heard of Tokyo Revengers actually. I'm not in the mood to start a new manga at the moment but I'll keep it in mind. As for discussing Haikyuu, maybe the 'What Manga are you reading thread' could be a fit.
That's a weird thing to say seeing that on the first page already people weren't praising the storytelling skills calling it nediocre at best. It was pretty much the artwork and the setting that seemed to have gotten peooke interested.
And up to a point, the setting and art are all you need to start with sometimes. Heck, look at original Dragonball, those are hardly the strongest first chapters, or first arcs even… but the art and personality and setting were interesting enough to carry it for a little while until it did get going.
the issue here was it went from a middling first chapter with potential to a lousy first arc. Where it seeed for a little while "oh, it actually going to stay in the village for a bit? Maybe it'll do something with that then" but ultimately there was no real payoff there. And then at that point it was squandered potential, and by the time that was done it had completely failed to hook and it seemed like it was going to do poorly. But second arc was a chance to find a better hook and do... something.
It's kind of failed to do that though.
I also get the being busy part. But I still try to find the time to give established or finished series a go. Just two months ago I started Tokyo Revengers abd Haikyuu which I both like a lot.
I've got novels and anime and 20 year long webcomics and a bunch of other stuff on my backlog. Too many things.
The irony in all this is that people here keep talking about it. I mean there's lots of indifference and complaints and already this thread is six pages long while stuff like Tokyo Revengers one of the hottest manga here in Japan right now is only at two pages even though it's got 225 chapters already. Honestly why not read that instead?
I literally took notice of this series because grimm's boobs. I don't read any manga besides OP (I don't read this either, but am curious if it can mske a miraculous recovery). Can't speak for the rest here though. Maybe I'm the only one going to horny jail in this thread.
People bet on a series that has an upward of 90% rate of failing and know the risk but still enjoy writing long essays about why it fails like it's a huge surprise all the time.
Seven deadly sins was horrendous and never truly recovered but discussions for apocalypse is still ongoing, it's the same for why Bleach was so active even when it was already beyond saving.
Yeah it's a lot more fun and easy to be critical about something that is generally accepted as bad then go into something good and try to objectively discuss faults.
Commitment is certainly a thing. But we live in a society. Tokyo revengers is only recently a big hit because of the anime and people only jump on it after it became "mainstream" and a talking points for their social circles. No one really cared when that one guy was yelling to read it years ago either.
Same thing with demon slayer.
I guess some things don't have to be "good" but just fun to jump on, quality aside.
This series got propped up because it managed to appeal to a certain side of the western audience. The Japanese couldn't really be bothered and ironically that's exactly how it was during the early days of demon slayer when most people in the west and English speaking communities don't even care and all the popularity only went full throttle because of good animation and directing, which really speaks to how popularity is largely based on shallowness and superficial.
Same reason why Marvel movies is eaten up and people meme a plot hole like they solved a difficult puzzle but winners at film festivals are not discussed and also why most manga that actually won prestigious awards in Japan are equally not given attention by the masses and online communities.
Just saw something interesting on 4chan, some readers in Japan were able to decipher the runes of the letter thanks to the latest chapter. Fun detail, back at the end of the first arc when the big wolf started talking in runes, he was in fact, singing the first part of the Lucky Star opening.
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Somehow I managed to do that with Fairy Tail, it feels weird to see people refer to it as a classic on Reddit or so and even worse: People saying "old FT was better than the last arcs" when Mashima just stayed true to his style for the entire duration.
Funny thing of you to say that because I'm also in the boat that early FT was a lot better what it was for the most time of its run. Not saying it was amazing but it was ok and the humor generally made me laugh because I thought it was funny. Later I only laughed at Fairy Tail because it was pathetic. So by those standards I would say it was better.
@Zar:
Lots of stories start our shaky, but if they show some promise it's often worth sticking with it a few chapters to see if it finds its footing. Dandandan and Ranger Reject are some recent examples for me. Other times a series can be a dud but there might be one or two elements I really like - PPPPPP is anything but interesting but I like the mentor character and amateur-author feeling so I'm sticking with it for a few more chapters. Red Hood did the monster element well and I really hoped it would get a grip on it's weaker aspects, but instead of getting better - or fizzle out into blandness - it started doing some really weird things that were interesting to discuss. Like the whole meta angle that divide people whether it was a genuine attempt at storytelling or the author criticising their own readers. The last few weeks have been a long string of "I want this to make it" and "wow what is this series doing?" and that keeps me coming back. Up until this chapter it felt like it still had some chance. But alas.
That makes quite sense what you say. Speaking of Ranger Reject. I kinda like that one too but it doesn't stick me as something that'll be a big series. Same as Monster 8. Good and fun read but nothing that will make a big splash.
Never heard of Tokyo Revengers actually. I'm not in the mood to start a new manga at the moment but I'll keep it in mind. As for discussing Haikyuu, maybe the 'What Manga are you reading thread' could be a fit.
That's also a fair argument. I just think it's one of the better manga I've been reading lately and it really has been huge here in Japan for a while now and the manga sales just exploded with the anime release. I think people in the west give it a hard pass because there's a manji in the title which they mistake for a swastika but that's another topic I've discussed in the TR thread so no need to take the conversation in here that route.^^'
Thanks for the suggestion for Haikyuu but I've already finished the series. It was really amazing and I hate myself for not checking it out earlier. However I would like to let off some steam on the creative decision for the final arc which doesn't really belong in the series you are reading thread. 
And up to a point, the setting and art are all you need to start with sometimes. Heck, look at original Dragonball, those are hardly the strongest first chapters, or first arcs even… but the art and personality and setting were interesting enough to carry it for a little while until it did get going.
Funnily enough I find early Dragonball more entertaining than early One Piece. Honestly no matter how often I try to give it a chance and want to give it added significance from a historic perspective literally EVERYTHING before Baratie bores me to death and it's not helped that the worst character in all of One Piece is in one of those arcs.
the issue here was it went from a middling first chapter with potential to a lousy first arc. Where it seeed for a little while "oh, it actually going to stay in the village for a bit? Maybe it'll do something with that then" but ultimately there was no real payoff there. And then at that point it was squandered potential, and by the time that was done it had completely failed to hook and it seemed like it was going to do poorly. But second arc was a chance to find a better hook and do… something.
It's kind of failed to do that though.
Agreed on that. While I did defend that series at first and said we should give it a chance I would be lying if I said that it didn't have those signs in the beginning. One other thing that I might want to add which everyone else might find ridiculous is the protagonists name is Velou. I don't know. Doesn't really strike me as something that the kids here in Japan would like to shout out. At least I don't see any of my students doing this.
I've got novels and anime and 20 year long webcomics and a bunch of other stuff on my backlog. Too many things.
I've got literally a backlog of over 40 PlayStation games to tackle. However other than the lack of time being a factor another reason why I haven't started working on some of those games is that I am a moron and want to complete the trophies for the difficult games that I've let lay dormant for years. And they friggin ARE difficult. Somebody should really give me a good punch in the face for that.
People bet on a series that has an upward of 90% rate of failing and know the risk but still enjoy writing long essays about why it fails like it's a huge surprise all the time.
Seven deadly sins was horrendous and never truly recovered but discussions for apocalypse is still ongoing, it's the same for why Bleach was so active even when it was already beyond saving.
Yeah it's a lot more fun and easy to be critical about something that is generally accepted as bad then go into something good and try to objectively discuss faults.
Commitment is certainly a thing. But we live in a society. Tokyo revengers is only recently a big hit because of the anime and people only jump on it after it became "mainstream" and a talking points for their social circles. No one really cared when that one guy was yelling to read it years ago either.
Same thing with demon slayer.
I guess some things don't have to be "good" but just fun to jump on, quality aside.
I will have to disagree with the bold part. I admit that I only live two years in Japan but throughout that time Tokyo Revengers was quite popular already but as you say not mainstream though. But it was in so many circles where I frequented with. Heck, that was one of the reasons why I didn't want to check the series out because of the circles I frequented with. Usually they have very weird reasons to follow a series that I don't share. Anyways, manga cafes being a big thing here and having the option to read chapters in convenience stores for free which people actually DO is definitely a reason why it gained popularity without boosting the sales numbers. But as always an anime has a huge impact on a manga series' sales.
Btw, sorry for making this the second time in one post talking about Tokyo Revengers.
This series got propped up because it managed to appeal to a certain side of the western audience. The Japanese couldn't really be bothered and ironically that's exactly how it was during the early days of demon slayer when most people in the west and English speaking communities don't even care and all the popularity only went full throttle because of good animation and directing, which really speaks to how popularity is largely based on shallowness and superficial.
I actually expected that to be a sales point here because it is based on western fairytales rather than again on something Japan based. But I guess I was absolutely wrong on that.^^#
I will have to disagree with the bold part. I admit that I only live two years in Japan but throughout that time Tokyo Revengers was quite popular already but as you say not mainstream though. But it was in so many circles where I frequented with. Heck, that was one of the reasons why I didn't want to check the series out because of the circles I frequented with. Usually they have very weird reasons to follow a series that I don't share. Anyways, manga cafes being a big thing here and having the option to read chapters in convenience stores for free which people actually DO is definitely a reason why it gained popularity without boosting the sales numbers. But as always an anime has a huge impact on a manga series' sales.
Just wanted to end off and say that I'm talking about the english speaking community in terms of popularity. Most of the time when something is good and by the time it reaches manga readers, especially the ones who are constantly searching for quality, it is likely already a big hit in japan. Demon slayer was already a big hit before the anime and even thought it wasn't a gigantic fanbase, it was still a sizeable amount. The mainstream thing is more of a global and english anime communities mainstream.
Just wanted to end off and say that I'm talking about the english speaking community in terms of popularity. Most of the time when something is good and by the time it reaches manga readers, especially the ones who are constantly searching for quality, it is likely already a big hit in japan. Demon slayer was already a big hit before the anime and even thought it wasn't a gigantic fanbase, it was still a sizeable amount. The mainstream thing is more of a global and english anime communities mainstream.
Ah ok, my bad then. Thought you were talking about Japan itself because of the sales figures, hence my reply. Yeah, I agree on that then.^^
So based on the latest chapter…
! I think the concept for this story is pretty nifty, a story book that basically dictates fate, but with the way its all being framed right now I feel like I should be rooting for the old man to win. Velou makes a good point at the end, it's all pretty shit that fate is causing all these bad events. But the author is clearly framing it like both the Old Man and the Guild are in the wrong.
! Also if fate was unbreakable before Vellou (side note: I do like the Pinocchio reveal here) then surely the old man going traitor and building Velou was also in the book? I guess the old man wrote that himself…
The guild looks bad until you realize that without all those conflicts, there's no story. At this point, I can see the mayor writing "and they all lived happily ever after" at the end of the manga. So conflict is resolved, everyone is happy as dictated by the book, but there's no story anymore so it's meaningless.
I am curious about how the author would have revealed the twist had the series survived more time in Jump, still a nice way to end the series though, revealing Velou´s last name to be Pinocchio? Also the reed hood and mc on the bed was fun as hell, still I don´t understand why they can´t simply create a perfect world.
Once Reed Hood is over I will be looking foward to his next work, not all authors succeed at the first try (Horikoshi and Tabata are good examples), so I hope he tries again.
I'm glad this series i ending, I would have been real pissed if this went on for five or six years and then got to this stupid surprise twist.
I feel like this meta story plot stuff was not the original intent. I'm curious where this was supposed to go.
I'm with both Robby AND Cyclone_Baroness on this one. I kinda was intrigued by the reveal in the previous chapter and curious as to where it would go. But the explenation this chapter was just a letdown. And somehow it just doesn't feel to me like this was the actual endgame. I don't know what it is but something just feels off about it and it's placement in the story.
I mean, its possible that this WAS always the intent, the series was sort of breaking the fourth wall from the getgo, and this would have worked as a long slow reveal with hints coming here and there and building up over time.
But just jumping to this super meta ending surprise twist it's just… no.
I really am reminded of Barrage where he just HAD to squeeze his original ending idea in no matter how much it didn't work without buildup. And that the surprise twist when its this early on just does not work. It's less a twist and more an out of nowhere "you only had 10 chapters and didn't set this up at all during them" sort of thing.
I think he shoved the build up ( if that was the intentional ending) and forced the 4th wall breakings as a fuck to the editor once he knew he would get axed.
But just jumping to this super meta ending surprise twist it's just… no.
Indeed. I was looking forward to a nice and simple series with funky werewolf designs and a baddie of the week kind of structure. Really bummed out that it turned out this way, but what can you do it's a harsh environment in this industry after all. Still sad tho.
I'm feeling he wanted to go a bit on a Togashi route and slowly step by step expand the world until the reveal makes sense, but Togashi was always more entertaining in his first chapters, before introducing weirder pieces.
The series was already feeling a bit rushed but even so the first mention of the warden to red hood hunter, about if things were going according to the plot line, was a nice introduction to the concept, but it doesn't work if it's immediately followed by the reveal.
whoever was responsible for extending the first chapter wolf hunt really did the series dirty. That was like one of the most promising first chapters into what the heck are you doing that I've ever seen.
Wow, this has gone from being a cute fourth wall break to the author being up their own ass. The series got a saving grace of a few extra chapters due the magazine printing a bunch of one shots in a row, and this is how it uses that precious few weeks of bonus time?
Really be kind of… awkward... if it actually continued past this.
That was a lot o salt over being axed in just a few pages. yikes.
Like, he's actively insulting the readers now. There's zero ambiguity like there was last chapter, or a few chapters before that where he ight have "only" been insulting the editor.
Is… is he burning bridges doing this? His art is great and I'd hate to see talent go to waste becase he threw a hissyfit for a month.
If he wasn't ranked at the bottom before he definitely would be now.
But like, instead of doign this he could have cleanly finished the training arc, and left on a hopeful but ambiguous open ending. And then, someday, if he had a successful series later, he could maybe come back and revisit this, or get a short adaptation.
But this... this is crazy.
I dunno, perhaps it´s because the meta chapter about fanservice from Fire Force is still fresh on my mind and makes everything look tamer in comparison, but I don´t see either ill intent or the author being full of himself like it did back Fire Force.
It´s just being meta and breaking the 4th wall for the sake of it, like most stories where the characters realize they are inside a fictional world created by others.
That was a very, very immature move.
The worst thing is that Time Paradox Ghostwriter already did the "blaming everyone and the manga industry" ending last year, so this doesn't even have the novelty factor to make it stand out.
Edit: Rumor is that this has 1 chapter left and I believe it. 2 for Neru.
I forgot about that Time Paradox story….Yeah this author is for sure being extra butt hurt. Do we know how many more chapters are left?
Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch.
I'm a little split on this chapter. I find the concepts of ending a story both in the fictional and real world cool, same thing with the commentary of a world being kept alive and forced to go through conflicts for the sake of outside entertainment. Hardly unique concepts, but cool nonetheless. But the moment you bring in the readers as part of your story you need to know what you're doing. One wrong move and instead of being intrigued they're gonna be insulted. Part of me can see this chapter as the author really trying to do this cool meta thing, but it can absolutely be read as a middle finger to his readers and it's awful. What the hell is the author thinking here? I don't get how they let this past the editors, the guy's digging his own grave. Especially since the only people seeing this chapter are the ones who stuck around long enough because they saw some potential in the series.
Honestly this whole series is screwing with my mind. If it just stuck with the werewolves and hunters and followed the path of a typical shonen it could've been a big hit. How in the world did we end up here?
I will agree with Destiny though that somehow it's still not as bad as the stunt pulled in Fire Force.
What happened in Fire Force?
What happened in Fire Force?
The author decided to do meta commentary on fanservice and perversion. It's such a convoluted mess I can't do much else but link to the chapters: https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Fire-Brigade-Of-Flames-chapter-279-page-3.html (it continues to chapter 282).
Red Hood is digging its own grave but at least it's not trying to do harmful commentary about a complicated real life issue.
I would expand that all the meta commentary that Okubo made with the "Great Cataclysm" is shallow, pedantic, morbid or problematic. The the Tamaki one is a piece of work itself.
You guys read that as salty?
It's an author saying it's readers who support a great work and if they don't like it you gotta start something new. So you gotta end the series, it's not a good ending, it's not a bad one, but you gotta end it and move on.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 7 previous worlds and this being the eitght attempt is a reference to how many different stories he purposed to Jump before getting his first series.
And with one single chapter we managed to get down to Bleach levels of bad in terms of "what's the ooint of it all" only to far surpass it. Part of me wants to applaud the autor for actually having the balls to let his frustration out in such a way. But ar the end of things, this is how the industry works and if you as an author fail to write a story that people find interesting enough to support then you shouldn't a) be blaming the readers for your own shortcomings and b) be in this industry to begin with. I mean I myself liked the series but I the majority of people here saw problems with the series from day one and that's not the readers fault. It's the authors so stop blaming the audience and reflect on your work and skills. This is pathetic.
Edit: At least we know for sure that the terrible book creates world thing is not what was originally planned.
You guys read that as salty?
It's an author saying it's readers who support a great work and if they don't like it you gotta start something new. So you gotta end the series, it's not a good ending, it's not a bad one, but you gotta end it and move on.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 7 previous worlds and this being the eitght attempt is a reference to how many different stories he purposed to Jump before getting his first series.
Nah man, honestly I thought people were reading too much into things when they accused the author of being salty in previous chapters, but after this one? Yea, dude is definitely butthurt, it's a bad look
So yall think that the biggest comic book magazine in the world just allowed some no name rookie author to simply insult his readers?
You think that big brain move was authorized by an editor? Sure, and now both the author and the editor will never work for Shueisha again, I mean it could be easier just not let them publish this, but yeah letting them burn this bridge while insulting 13 years old is the most logical move…
This story had 4th wall breaking and meta references since day 1, having the characters comment on the story was always the plan, it just suffered greatly from being rushed as hell and disconected.
Im with you on the camp that the story development felt short, the first chapter was great but then it didnt pick up much of a pace. But when the meta comentary of this chapter was The Readers are Supreme, They re the ones who actually rule this World and sometimes you gotta simply end the story and start Anew,
It feels a bit weird that you take that as an insult and not as a sign of humility.
We don't think anything, it's blatantly obvious that he's butthurt. He's not insulting the readers he's blaming them which is a big difference and the reason why he got through with it because it can be sold as commentary. I would accept this as some sort of meta commentary if the manga ended like this after a long run. But after less then twenty chapters? Nope, he's clearly butthurt and lacking the class to deal with the setback damaging his entire reputation that way.
Anyways it's thanks to this chapter that I actually really happy I actually followed the series. This trainwreck chapter just has to become manga history. And I'm glad I was there to witness it.
Yeah. This ending would actually be kind of interesting 200 or 500 chapters in after a lot of different stories and adventures and after the characters had been pulled through endless trials and suffering and they were all for the sake of the reader.. or if this had been the authors' third or fourth attempt now and he referenced previous stories we were actually aware of that had failed.
The Neverending Story for instance pulled that of really well. ANd heck, its sort of what Steven King did with Dark Tower.
But it just does not work after literally one arc. Maybe if there'd been soem montages and hints of more adventures but…not just "leave the village" and then "train on a boat." it doesn't work.
Yeah, but thats my point.
The ending of the series would always revolve around the meta commentaries but since the chapter to chapter plot was not interesting enough the story was cut short and it suffers even more for it.
Its trying to show how cool and interesting it was going to be, but well… show, dont tell.
It feels like youre saying the author only went meta to complain about readers when its clear the series was always meant to go meta.
(And I still never saw the author attacking or complaining about the readers, but asking them to wait a bit more for the story to bloom and now accepting that this work was subpar and will end as per readers whish)
It feels like youre saying the author only went meta to complain about readers when its clear the series was always meant to go meta.
Setup, execution and timing is everything.
If he'd done it as a long slow reveal it COULD have worked.
As presented? It doesn't work at all.
And if you can't deliver it in a way that works because you didn't have time to do it properly, then save and hold that idea for another story and do something else different for now.
So even if it was always his ultimate plan, as is? It just comes across as complaining and bitter.
