@Joy:
Kaido is supposedly the highest level of strength this series can present us.
I'm sure Luffy will steamroll Blackbeard, because he's now the strongest in the world… right?
@Joy:
Kaido is supposedly the highest level of strength this series can present us.
I'm sure Luffy will steamroll Blackbeard, because he's now the strongest in the world… right?
Just realized…does Zoro not know about haki? He was asking about what Kaidou was talking about at the end about Zoro having CoC haki. I’m too unfamiliar with the New World arcs to see if Zoro has active mentioned or acknowledged haki in some manner.
If not, would find it hilarious and would make me wonder what Mihawk knows about the ability given Zoro trained under him…
Zoro knows about Haki, he just didn't realize that he used CoC.
@Joy:
What ? The point isn't to consider it a possibility for Luffy to die. The point is to consider it a possibility that he can actually lose in the grand finale. I mean yeah Kaido beat at the start of the arc.. Luffy just coming back from the dead right now only to proceed to punch Kaido in Base(!) like Kaido is some kind of jobber is something I can't forgive. What makes it even more annoying is the last line Luffy delivers which is basically what has ruined OP. "No matter what happens I'll win" Yeah no matter Kaido being far stronger, no matter Kaido knocking your ass down, no matter Kaido having a wide array of abilities but not using them in hybrid form, no matter Kaido being physically a far superior beast, Luffy will just always come back from the dead because that's what this series has been for the last 3 arcs. Luffy accomplishing wins he mostly doesn't deserve.
Luffy doesn't deserve to beat Kaido in a one on one fight and since he will, Oda might as well rush to the end. Kaido is supposedly the highest level of strength this series can present us. Oda said that Luffy beating Kaido just because his punch is strong is something that will dissatisfy his readers. Yet he does exactly that. There is no point, after this fight Luffy will be the strongest in the world.
We’re in the home stretch of the manga now. Aside from the emperors, the only people left are Blackbeard and his crew, and the Gorosei and Imu and whatever that’s all about. If Luffy can’t at least get up from a hit after a few minutes or at least show that he can throw out a few hits using a technique after some training then what’s the alternative? Leaving and training for another two years?
Kaido’s going down. He literally has to go down or else Onigashima crashes and kills everyone and the manga’s over. This isn’t Impel Down or Marineford or WCI where the goal is escaping. The weird thing is your assumption that now the Luffy and Kaido fight will now go on without a hitch in Luffy’s favor when history has shown that Oda will usually do the complete opposite and introduce some complications.
It's hilarious to me that people still cling to that. Back on PH when Kaido was announced to be the first target it was completely obvious that Kaido is objectively not the overall strongest opponent. Because a story like this doesn't jump power levels and then dials later enemies back down.
Yeah yeah, I know, muh title etc., there's more than enough reasons presented in the story not to take things like this at face value, but this damn fanbase still hasn't learned that after 1000 chapters.
Can we stop with this ? If Oda didn't want Kaido to be the strongest then he wouldn't refer to him as one. Plain and simple. Why didn't he call Big Mom or Shanks the strongest in the world ?
Either you're just trolling or are delusional.
At least I didn't see a panel where Luffy actually beat Kaido. He landed a few nice hits and suddenly people are like "guess the fight's fucking over, how boring was that", assuming for no reason whatsoever that this is actually the climax of that fight.
In fact there's an insanely low probability this is anywhere close to over or that this discovery will be enough.
Luffy literally without gears sent Kaido flying like he was nothing, easily blocking his club. So yes Luffy just beat the shit out of him.
I feel Luffy only has two big fights after this one: Akainu and Blackbeard.
Both will probably be 1v1.
I'm sure Luffy will steamroll Blackbeard, because he's now the strongest in the world… right?
I'm somehow thinking that he should tackle an admiral next. He could use a primer in dealing with those AoE devil fruit users before he takes the step up to Fatbeard.
@Zik:
LOL @ defending the Katakuri fight but complaining about this.
Seriously ? At least with Katakuri Luffy wasn't knocked out. At least with Katakuri Luffy didnt get a zenkai boost. He just trying to develop his Haki. I didn't see base Luffy smacking Katakuri like a bitch even after Luffy atained future sight. Instead he needed Snakeman to even keep up with Katakuri and Katakuri still outdid him most of the time.
With Kaido, Luffy literally awakes from the dead, gets his Haki to be on par with Kaido, Roger and WB (lol) and proceeds to beat the shit out of Kaido in base without his gears involved.
I feel Luffy only has two big fights after this one: Akainu and Blackbeard.
Both will probably be 1v1.
Yep this what i saying maybe 3 at most with counting Im.
Also if we looking at how the manga going , in the big war after they find the OP Luffy won't be the underdog either .
@Sibersk:
We’re in the home stretch of the manga now. Aside from the emperors, the only people left are Blackbeard and his crew, and the Gorosei and Imu and whatever that’s all about. If Luffy can’t at least get up from a hit after a few minutes or at least show that he can throw out a few hits using a technique after some training then what’s the alternative? Leaving and training for another two years?
Kaido’s going down. He literally has to go down or else Onigashima crashes and kills everyone and the manga’s over. This isn’t Impel Down or Marineford or WCI where the goal is escaping. The weird thing is your assumption that now the Luffy and Kaido fight will now go on without a hitch in Luffy’s favor when history has shown that Oda will usually do the complete opposite and introduce some complications.
Well Oda shouldn't have had Luffy getting unconscious in a single hit then. Not my fault, he makes Luffy a god because he doesn't know how to properly make Kaido lose.
@Joy:
Can we stop with this ? If Oda didn't want Kaido to be the strongest then he wouldn't refer to him as one. Plain and simple. Why didn't he call Big Mom or Shanks the strongest in the world ?
I know, right? Just like Krieg was the strongest pirate crew in East Blue. Although maybe the title Ruler of East Blue was a title based on perception rather than actual strength.
Also thanks to the insane amount of evidence we have that Kaido is not in fact a man, there's no conflict between his title and Whitebeard's. Also no time has passed for people to grow stronger since Kaido gained that title (especially not Teach).
If Oda wanted Kaido to be the strongest, Kaido would be the final opponent of the series, at least in terms of Yonko. Which, to be fair, can still happen since things in this fight can go horribly wrong… but I don't think he will be, and apparently neither are you.
@Joy:
Luffy literally without gears sent Kaido flying like he was nothing, easily blocking his club. So yes Luffy just beat the shit out of him.
Winning one round, therefore fight's over. Kaido already went all out. Got it.
@Sibersk:
We’re in the home stretch of the manga now. Aside from the emperors, the only people left are Blackbeard and his crew, and the Gorosei and Imu and whatever that’s all about. If Luffy can’t at least get up from a hit after a few minutes or at least show that he can throw out a few hits using a technique after some training then what’s the alternative? Leaving and training for another two years?
Kaido’s going down. He literally has to go down or else Onigashima crashes and kills everyone and the manga’s over. This isn’t Impel Down or Marineford or WCI where the goal is escaping. The weird thing is your assumption that now the Luffy and Kaido fight will now go on without a hitch in Luffy’s favor when history has shown that Oda will usually do the complete opposite and introduce some complications.
You'd think Joy Boy would get tired of jumping to conclusions over and over and over again, especially after the hilarity of his reaction to the Scabbards fighting Kaido.
I know, right? Just like Krieg was the strongest pirate crew in East Blue. Although maybe the title Ruler of East Blue was a title based on perception rather than actual strength.
Also thanks to the insane amount of evidence we have that Kaido is not in fact a man, there's no conflict between his title and Whitebeard's. Also no time has passed for people to grow stronger since Kaido gained that title (especially not Teach).
Krieg had the strongest armada in East Blue. He wasn't the strongest. So yes comparing Krieg with Kaido who has the highest bounty in the series, who has been referred by the narrator and Oda himself as the strongest is plain a simple a false comparison. Teach called Kaido a monster which says too much about Kaido. If the guy who has eaten two fruits calls you a monster then you are supposed to be the real deal.
If Oda wanted Kaido to be the strongest, Kaido would be the final opponent of the series, at least in terms of Yonko. Which, to be fair, can still happen since things in this fight can go horribly wrong… but I don't think he will be, and apparently neither are you.
Point is the fight was going towards Kaido losing to multiple opponents. And then boom, Kid acts out of character and chases BM instead of focusing on the guy who nearly ruined his entire life, Luffy gets knocked out and suddenly gets up stronger than ever to make Kaido a punching bag.
Winning one round, therefore fight's over. Kaido already went all out. Got it.
Kaido has obviously gone all out. He's already using hybrid and advanced Conqueror's Haki.
@Joy:
Well Oda shouldn't have had Luffy getting unconscious in a single hit then. Not my fault, he makes Luffy a god because he doesn't know how to properly make Kaido lose.
Many hits or a single hit he would have gotten back up since Kaido was busy doing other stuff .
Also luffy took a hit and block it with Haki early so what you seem to be saying Kaido should have not knock him out with a single hit name attack for a short while.
Which really don't make any sense since he getting back up because of the time Kaido wasted no matter how the attack was done .
@Joy:
Krieg had the strongest armada in East Blue. He wasn't the strongest. So yes comparing Krieg with Kaido who has the highest bounty in the series, who has been referred by the narrator and Oda himself as the strongest is plain a simple a false comparison. Teach called Kaido a monster which says too much about Kaido. If the guy who has eaten two fruits calls you a monster then you are supposed to be the real deal.
Do you mean to actually tell me that Krieg with his fleet of fodder would've been a match for the Arlong pirates? Seriously?
There's no question that he's a monster. But when has the top dog of an enemy in a major arc been weaker than the one before? Excluding Marineford because that was obviously a very different situation (and major defeat at that).
@Joy:
Kaido has obviously gone all out. He's already using hybrid and advanced Conqueror's Haki.
Right. Not skipping leg day with all the conclusions you're erroneously jumping to, I see. Luckily, whether or not Kaido is the strongest singular creature in the world doesn't even matter for this part of the discussion.
When has the peak fight that decides the fate of the arc in which Luffy participates ever started before the other fights (i.e. his crew's) have concluded?
So, after this fight ends, who can possibly stand up to Luffy?
We know that Teach is highly susceptible to physical attacks, so can he even fight against him?
Also, I still don't understand why the WG hasn't buster called Kaidou's ass. His crew is weak as fuck and other than floating an Island, he's been pretty much just another strong guy and not Emperor level.
That was just him finding the breakpoint of the collateral damages done by Burgess to the colosseum.
There's a growing consensus that that scene should be recontexualized as Sabo using Advanced Armanent Haki, and it's one I agree with tbh
So, after this fight ends, who can possibly stand up to Luffy?
We know that Teach is highly susceptible to physical attacks, so can he even fight against him?
Also, I still don't understand why the WG hasn't buster called Kaidou's ass. His crew is weak as fuck and other than floating an Island, he's been pretty much just another strong guy and not Emperor level.
Him being susceptible to physical attacks don't mean he can't tanks hits.
Hell he seem to tanking them rather good vs both ace and wb ( even if he lose vs WB)
How is his crew weak ?
They standing up to high level guys that would destroy a buster call unless you think Marco , Jinbei , Franky etc etc would have problem with that now.
Kaido alone would destroy the ships with his bolo attacks or just float them in the air and crash them down .
So, after this fight ends, who can possibly stand up to Luffy?
We know that Teach is highly susceptible to physical attacks, so can he even fight against him?
Also, I still don't understand why the WG hasn't buster called Kaidou's ass. His crew is weak as fuck and other than floating an Island, he's been pretty much just another strong guy and not Emperor level.
If anyone could withstand a Buster Call, it'd be Kaido and his crew though? Aside from the fact that Wano is hard to break into with a big, obvious force like that, he easily has an aerial advantage where he could just shoot his flame breath and other elemental techniques at the ships like it was nothing.
Also they don't have any jurisdiction in Wano to begin with. Not even gonna touch the "not Emperor level" part….
Him being susceptible to physical attacks don't mean he can't tanks hits.
Hell he seem to tanking them rather good vs both ace and wb ( even if he lose vs WB)
How is his crew weak ?
They standing up to high level guys that would destroy a buster call unless you think Marco , Jinbei , Franky etc etc would have problem with that now.
Kaido alone would destroy the ships with his bolo attacks or just float them in the air and crash them down .
Really though?
Other than the calamaties and flying six, who else in that crew is competent?
I understand that Kaidou could probably take on the ships, but from what we've seen, can he take on all the admirals?
@Joy:
Well Oda shouldn't have had Luffy getting unconscious in a single hit then. Not my fault, he makes Luffy a god because he doesn't know how to properly make Kaido lose.
We have no clue how exactly Kaido will lose because it hasn't happened yet. Big Mom could stab him in the back and run off with his poneglyph. The rest of the strawhats could come up and help. Yamato could come up and distract him. Maybe they just drop the whole fucking island on top of him.
We don't know.
@Joy:
Krieg had the strongest armada in East Blue. He wasn't the strongest. So yes comparing Krieg with Kaido who has the highest bounty in the series, who has been referred by the narrator and Oda himself as the strongest is plain a simple a false comparison. Teach called Kaido a monster which says too much about Kaido. If the guy who has eaten two fruits calls you a monster then you are supposed to be the real deal.
Point is the fight was going towards Kaido losing to multiple opponents. And then boom, Kid acts out of character and chases BM instead of focusing on the guy who nearly ruined his entire life, Luffy gets knocked out and suddenly gets up stronger than ever to make Kaido a punching bag.
Kaido has obviously gone all out. He's already using hybrid and advanced Conqueror's Haki.
Lol so what, Kid is supposed to just ignore everything that's happened and let Big Mom come right back up to help, when he was the one talking about seperating them this whole time?
And Kaido is literally still laughing and giving everyone fighting him props. And what, we're just going to write off the possibility of awakening now?
So, after this fight ends, who can possibly stand up to Luffy?
We know that Teach is highly susceptible to physical attacks, so can he even fight against him?
Also, I still don't understand why the WG hasn't buster called Kaidou's ass. His crew is weak as fuck and other than floating an Island, he's been pretty much just another strong guy and not Emperor level.
Blackbeard can probably shift giant landmasses like WB at Marineford by now. He's probably come up with all sorts of new stuff with the Darkness fruit too. He'll be fine.
And a buster call would go terribly. Imagine trying to get all those ships up the waterfall, and probably have King knock you down or Kaido fly over and Boro Breath them all to hell.
If anyone could withstand a Buster Call, it'd be Kaido and his crew though? Aside from the fact that Wano is hard to break into with a big, obvious force like that, he easily has an aerial advantage where he could just shoot his flame breath and other elemental techniques at the ships like it was nothing.
Also they don't have any jurisdiction in Wano to begin with. Not even gonna touch the "not Emperor level" part….
My point was, if Luffy, Law, and Zoro can deal with Kaidou, why can't the admirals deal with him?
When we got to the new world, we were told that the only way to deal with an Emperor was if you had an army.
But ever since we got to Onigashima, only a few individuals have dealt with an Emperor's crew.
So, If old man Hyogoro can take on a large percentage of Kaidou's crew, why can't Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Garp do the same?
Do you mean to actually tell me that Krieg with his fleet of fodder would've been a match for the Arlong pirates? Seriously?
There's no question that he's a monster. But when has the top dog of an enemy in a major arc been weaker than the one before? Excluding Marineford because that was obviously a very different situation (and major defeat at that).
No ? All I'm saying is that you can't compare Krieg with Kaido.
Also how isn't Kaido supposed to be different ? Kaido losing to multiple opponents wouldn't diminish his title because he'd lose to many while Teach for example would lose in a 1v1 fight. Oda messed that part, not my fault
Right. Not skipping leg day with all the conclusions you're erroneously jumping to, I see. Luckily, whether or not Kaido is the strongest singular creature in the world doesn't even matter for this part of the discussion.
When has the peak fight that decides the fate of the arc in which Luffy participates ever started before the other fights (i.e. his crew's) have concluded?
Oda messed this fight. End of story. Kaido used his 2 best forms and he's outclassed. Plain and simple. And even if he pulls awakening (he won't because Oda forgot about it) Luffy will just magically again push through because he's Luffy.
When it comes to fight consistency One Piece is at an all time low. Marco schooling King and Queen is another example. Chopper hurting Queen too. And so many other cases. At least pre skip Oda cared about his power structure. Now he doesn't give a damn.
If any thing i'd argue that because he has no cheap gimmick to tank damage and still gets up from everything that has ever been thrown at him Blacky probably has world class stamina. He literally sought out a devil fruit power that would force him to take all that is thrown at him, banking that his own toughness will carry him through. Contrast that with i can't feel a thing cause i have a cheat code on Kaido
My point was, if Luffy, Law, and Zoro can deal with Kaidou, why can't the admirals deal with him?
When we got to the new world, we were told that the only way to deal with an Emperor was if you had an army.
But ever since we got to Onigashima, only a few individuals have dealt with an Emperor's crew.
So, If old man Hyogoro can take on a large percentage of Kaidou's crew, why can't Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Garp do the same?
This is blatantly ignoring a lot of context that got them into Onigashima in the first place, as well as the fact that the World Government secretly engages in trade with Kaido in the first place…
Really though?
Other than the calamaties and flying six, who else in that crew is competent?
I understand that Kaidou could probably take on the ships, but from what we've seen, can he take on all the admirals?
It's not like the marines competent either if we talking fodder .
It would be the big boys that taking care of things .
All the admirals don't be with a buster call and also i don't why you want him to take on all 3 admirals
3 of them not going to attack one crew and leave them self open to everyone else this not like WB where they had the home advantage lol.
It like saying why all 4 yonko don't just go and destroy the marines when there reason they won't .
If any thing i'd argue that because he has no cheap gimmick to tank damage and still gets up from everything that has ever been thrown at him Blacky probably has world class stamina. He literally sought out a devil fruit power that would force him to take all that is thrown at him, banking that his own toughness will carry him through. Contrast that with i can't feel a thing cause i have a cheat code on Kaido
BB tank a huge ass chop and then a quake to the face then get back up .
Plus some other stuff there should be no question if he is a tank .
The big tripping point regarding the depiction of Luffys current prowess is the extreme contrast within this chapter alone.
The chapter concludes with Luffy brimming with confidence, fighting his strongest ever opponents at a level beyond anything he has ever done with abilities he has just now unlocked…
...and a few pages earlier he's lying clobbered and completely out cold and at his enemys mercy in a ditch. Not just a recovery, but a full on power-up from that specific state at that speed can't help but make it feel like the deck is stacked in favor of Luffy.
In execution, this feels a bit like when Goku burst out of the healing pod to face off with Freezer with increased power...only instead of a healing pod, Luffy was lying unconcscious in a ditch while simultaneously booting up "CoC coating.exe"
I mean, you could easily end up with this exact same outcome without the whole Luffy-unconscious bit, you could have Kaidou move in for the kill and Luffy execute the move at the last possible moment and so on...but of course, the reasoning for including an "unconcscious" step might be that it makes a group battle easier when you park one character for a bit, and allows for other characters to get a turn. Like, when you look at last weeks execution of the Ragnarok move, theres remarkably little follow up on the impact of the hit and how much it damaged Luffy, how bad a situation it puts him in - that is to say, there are exactly none of those things. That is, the purpose was not to frame Luffy as being in an absolutely terrible predicament, it was more to hit a temporary snooze button so Law and Zoro could get to do something, and Luffy could bounce back in a cool way this chapter.
My point was, if Luffy, Law, and Zoro can deal with Kaidou, why can't the admirals deal with him?
When we got to the new world, we were told that the only way to deal with an Emperor was if you had an army.
But ever since we got to Onigashima, only a few individuals have dealt with an Emperor's crew.
So, If old man Hyogoro can take on a large percentage of Kaidou's crew, why can't Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Garp do the same?
Because getting there would be a pain, it would leave their home base undefended, and Luffy and crew had to do a whole lot of prepwork to get to this point that they wouldn't do.
@Joy:
And even if he pulls awakening (he won't because Oda forgot about it)
Oda's used awakening in the last two arcs, back to back, but suddenly he's "forgot about it".
@Sibersk:
Because getting there would be a pain, it would leave their home base undefended, and Luffy and crew had to do a whole lot of prepwork to get to this point that they wouldn't do.
Oda's used awakening in the last two arcs, back to back, but suddenly he's "forgot about it".
Flying Six, Disasters, Kaido and Mom haven't even touched it in a 100 chapter arc. They won't do it now.
"Asura hasn't been used in nearly 500 chapters, it's never coming back"
@Joy:
No ? All I'm saying is that you can't compare Krieg with Kaido.
Also how isn't Kaido supposed to be different ? Kaido losing to multiple opponents wouldn't diminish his title because he'd lose to many while Teach for example would lose in a 1v1 fight. Oda messed that part, not my fault
I'm not comparing Krieg with Kaido, I'm providing an objective example in the story of One Piece where a title was misleading. To show that this isn't out of the question.
And again, the idea that this fight is anywhere near over is completely retarded. If that's actually how it turns out, I will eat my words and agree with you that this was stupid af.
(Except for the part of having a 1v1 fight against Teach, from what we know there's no such thing as a 1v1 with that thing…)
Also, I still don't understand why the WG hasn't buster called Kaidou's ass. His crew is weak as fuck and other than floating an Island, he's been pretty much just another strong guy and not Emperor level.
If anyone could withstand a Buster Call, it'd be Kaido and his crew though?
That's a funny question, though.
I don't see how a buster call would work against any emperor-crew, and I'm including Luffy as the "fifth emperor" here.
Maybe if they send Garp out… other than that... The power differential shown between admirals and vice-admirals is nothing to laugh at. And from what we've seen, every emperor level crew has at least one person besides the captain that can give an admiral a run for their money, even if not actually win.
"Asura hasn't been used in nearly 500 chapters, it's never coming back"
Oda won't use awakening because it will make Kaido look even worse being soloed by base Luffy.
Forget Krieg, Katakuri just happened. Mister "never lied down on his back ever".
I'm not comparing Krieg with Kaido, I'm providing an objective example in the story of One Piece where a title was misleading. To show that this isn't out of the question.
And again, the idea that this fight is anywhere near over is completely retarded. If that's actually how it turns out, I will eat my words and agree with you that this was stupid af.(Except for the part of having a 1v1 fight against Teach, from what we know there's no such thing as a 1v1 with that thing…)
Again you do compare Kaido with Krieg.
Was Krieg referred to as the strongest man in east blue ? No, he wasn't. Is Kaido the strongest creature in the world as per the narrator's words and Oda's ? Yes he is.
Did Krieg have the highest bounty in East Blue ? No he did not. Does Kaido have the highest bounty currently in the series ? Yes he does.
Krieg literally gets introduced as a pathetic worm that run back to paradise because the GL was too much and he lost 49 ships in 7 days. Kaido is introduced by jumping from a sky island, getting a simple headache, being unkillable and calling the world boring while boasting that he wants to cause the greatest war in the world.
So yes don't bring Krieg as an argument.
And yes there is a 1v1 fight with Teach as shown with Ace.
@Daz:
The big tripping point regarding the depiction of Luffys current prowess is the extreme contrast within this chapter alone.
The chapter concludes with Luffy brimming with confidence, fighting his strongest ever opponents at a level beyond anything he has ever done with abilities he has just now unlocked…
...and a few pages earlier he's lying clobbered and completely out cold and at his enemys mercy in a ditch. Not just a recovery, but a full on power-up from that specific state at that speed can't help but make it feel like the deck is stacked in favor of Luffy.
In execution, this feels a bit like when Goku burst out of the healing pod to face off with Freezer with increased power...only instead of a healing pod, Luffy was lying unconcscious in a ditch while simultaneously booting up "CoC coating.exe"
I mean, you could easily end up with this exact same outcome without the whole Luffy-unconscious bit, you could have Kaidou move in for the kill and Luffy execute the move at the last possible moment and so on...but of course, the reasoning for including an "unconcscious" step might be that it makes a group battle easier when you park one character for a bit, and allows for other characters to get a turn. Like, when you look at last weeks execution of the Ragnarok move, theres remarkably little follow up on the impact of the hit and how much it damaged Luffy, how bad a situation it puts him in - that is to say, there are exactly none of those things. That is, the purpose was not to frame Luffy as being in an absolutely terrible predicament, it was more to hit a temporary snooze button so Law and Zoro could get to do something, and Luffy could bounce back in a cool way this chapter.
You saw how much impact it had had with the huge crater it left that luffy was in .
Now i guess seeing the panels back to back could have made it look like he in more trouble than seeing them space apart .
Still the end result would have been the same with Kaido going off and luffy getting back up for the cool chapter ender .
Really now matter how you do it you going to have luffy look like he download CoC app since that kinda the point .
Someone else may know this, but I'm curious how many times Luffy (or anyone) has been white-eyed in this manga and been able to get up from it? We know Kaido has at least twice and I know Luffy has more than just against Apoo, but I can't place the instances.
@Joy:
Again you do compare Kaido with Krieg.
Was Krieg referred to as the strongest man in east blue ? No, he wasn't. Is Kaido the strongest creature in the world as per the narrator's words and Oda's ? Yes he is.
Did Krieg have the highest bounty in East Blue ? No he did not. Does Kaido have the highest bounty currently in the series ? Yes he does.
Krieg literally gets introduced as a pathetic worm that run back to paradise because the GL was too much and he lost 49 ships in 7 days. Kaido is introduced by jumping from a sky island, getting a simple headache, being unkillable and calling the world boring while boasting that he wants to cause the greatest war in the world.
So yes don't bring Krieg as an argument.
And yes there is a 1v1 fight with Teach as shown with Ace.
Nice, a "bounty therefore strength" argument slipped in, very valid. Except it actually proves another point, since the misconception bounty = power originates from the same place as the title = power one.
As for the "1v1" with Teach… if you don't even know that by now it's pointless to keep arguing with you. But anyway here's why this can't happen as far as we know so far:
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@Daz:
with abilities he has just now unlocked….
He's been training advanced CoA for the past two weeks or so, he trained CoC for the past two years…
Applying a principle he's been training for two weeks to an already developed ability...
Luffy developed Gear 2 and 3 in what, a week, two weeks? He was always great at that stuff, so no reason to be surprised.
@Joy:
Flying Six, Disasters, Kaido and Mom haven't even touched it in a 100 chapter arc. They won't do it now.
None of those groups have barely fought anyone up until now. Maybe they aren't in a rush to become mindless snot nosed berserk monsters at the drop of a hat.
Nice, a "bounty therefore strength" argument slipped in, very valid. Except it actually proves another point, since the misconception bounty = power originates from the same place as the title = power one.
As for the "1v1" with Teach… if you don't even know that by now it's pointless to keep arguing with you. But anyway here's why this can't happen as far as we know so far:
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Bounty mostly corelates to strength, that's a fact unless it's been stated otherwise like with Robin's bounty for example. Oda says Kaido is the strongest, how does he also back that up ? He gives him the biggest bounty.
Dude we saw Teach fighting. It was 1v1. Luffy and Zoro could just have meant that he's not alone.
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@Sibersk:
None of those groups have barely fought anyone up until now. Maybe they aren't in a rush to become mindless snot nosed berserk monsters at the drop of a hat.
Well they better be because they are getting stomped in this war and ridiculed. Straw Hats are stomping 2 Yonko right now.
@Joy:
Seriously ? At least with Katakuri Luffy wasn't knocked out. At least with Katakuri Luffy didnt get a zenkai boost. He just trying to develop his Haki. I didn't see base Luffy smacking Katakuri like a bitch even after Luffy atained future sight. Instead he needed Snakeman to even keep up with Katakuri and Katakuri still outdid him most of the time.
With Kaido, Luffy literally awakes from the dead, gets his Haki to be on par with Kaido, Roger and WB (lol) and proceeds to beat the shit out of Kaido in base without his gears involved.
Seriously.
Your reasoning is ridiculous on this.
Luffy fought Katakuri one on one in a mirror world largely with no help. When his little can't use haki drawback came up he ran away for like 2 chapters. During that fight just like with Kaido he used it as a chance to master his haki abilities. He still got the shit beat out of him and didn't even really beat Katakuri cuz he was stronger than him. He won cuz Katakuri gave up in the face of Luffy never giving up cuz he always got up no matter how badly he was attacked.
In this fight, Luffy has had the help of 4 other ppl who have saved his ass several times. He hasn't taken half the beating he took from Katakuri so far while Kaido just plays around by taking just about every hit and attacking every now and then. Luffy just like in the Katakuri fight gets up after each attack. It doesnt matter that he was knocked out. It obviously didn't last long
There is no zenkai boost. Thats bullshit you keep repeating cuz you cant follow the fight or don't understand what's going on. Luffy learned during the fight how to properly imbue his attacks with CoC after getting hit by attacks like that from Kaido. The fight isn't even over yet but your complaining about how its already over (as if Luffy wasn't going to win) and defending the Katakuri fight as if Luffy's win really had to do with who was stronger. It was more plot armor than any fight to date.
I get it though. I said it before you wanted Luffy to look like this
So just pretend that was the last panel
@Joy:
Well they better be because they are getting stomped in this war and ridiculed. Straw Hats are stomping 2 Yonko right now.
More utter nonsense.
Which SH is stomping Big Mom right now?
Kaido being framed as the Krieg of the emperors east blue equivilent feels oddly apt. They are kind of similar guys. Flanked by guys who are greater than them, but has kept a low profile and gone under the radar
Someone else may know this, but I'm curious how many times Luffy (or anyone) has been white-eyed in this manga and been able to get up from it? We know Kaido has at least twice and I know Luffy has more than just against Apoo, but I can't place the instances.
In this arc many .
There Ulti when she get hit from Yamo .
Apoo when he get hit by Zoro.
Kaido vs Oden .
Franky vs Saskai .
There others ( to lazy to look lol) but being white eye can also be taking a hard hit.
@Joy:
Bounty mostly corelates to strength, that's a fact
Still, somehow Shanks could stop him from going after Whitebeard, still, Big Mom was fighting equally with him… strange...
A Dragon is still the worlds strongest creature... that's a fact, and that doesn't change...
BM as the Buggy, Shanks as the black cat and Blacky as Arlong.
Kaido being framed as the Krieg of the emperors east blue equivilent feels oddly apt. They are kind of similar guys. Flanked by guys who are greater than them, but has kept a low profile and gone under the radar
Whoa which Beast pirate is greater than Kaido right now? I get that Gin was better than Krieg and overall the better character but I can't see the parallel. I'd say there is even less of a comparison cuz none of the higher up Beast pirates seem like good ppl where as Gin's introduction portrayed a different image.
Krieg was a dirty fighter that didn't mind sacrificing his crew if they failed him. While Kaido cut ties with Orochi (pun intended) pretty abruptly I haven't seen him be that cutthroat. Queen has and that's probably the closest indication Kaido sees it the same way.
Without any backstory yet, Kaido seems more like WB's strength crossed with Crocodile's ruthlessness; got a crew not based on family but on all of them being beasts and a plan that involved subjugating an entire country to starving while he works toward his ultimate plan move Onigishama some place, establish a pirate island and umm team up with Big Mom to get one piece? I dunno his flashback will detail it).
BM as the Buggy, Shanks as the black cat and Blacky as Arlong.
LOL
@Zik:
Seriously.
Your reasoning is ridiculous on this.
Luffy fought Katakuri one on one in a mirror world largely with no help. When his little can't use haki drawback came up he ran away for like 2 chapters. During that fight just like with Kaido he used it as a chance to master his haki abilities. He still got the shit beat out of him and didn't even really beat Katakuri cuz he was stronger than him. He won cuz Katakuri gave up in the face of Luffy never giving up cuz he always got up no matter how badly he was attacked.
In this fight, Luffy has had the help of 4 other ppl who have saved his ass several times. He hasn't taken half the beating he took from Katakuri so far while Kaido just plays around by taking just about every hit and attacking every now and then. Luffy just like in the Katakuri fight gets up after each attack. It doesnt matter that he was knocked out. It obviously didn't last long
There is no zenkai boost. Thats bullshit you keep repeating cuz you cant follow the fight or don't understand what's going on. Luffy learned during the fight how to properly imbue his attacks with CoC after getting hit by attacks like that from Kaido. The fight isn't even over yet but your complaining about how its already over (as if Luffy wasn't going to win) and defending the Katakuri fight as if Luffy's win really had to do with who was stronger. It was more plot armor than any fight to date.
I get it though. I said it before you wanted Luffy to look like this
https://i.ibb.co/NtdXNzS/In-Shot-20210410-222929989.jpg
So just pretend that was the last panel
More utter nonsense.
Which SH is stomping Big Mom right now?
Luffy has literally been knocked out in this fight. That didn't happen with Katakuri.
Also as I said Luffy never looked superior to Katakuri. until he used Snakeman and even then Katakuri got the better of him multiple times. Right now Luffy somehow stomps Kaido after apparently getting knocked out in a one shot again. How is the Katakuri fight worse after these couple of things I mentioned ? Luffy has looked superior to Kaido multiple times. This last chapter was just the icing on the cake.
And how wasn't this a zenkai boost ? Luffy literally gets up from being unconscious unlocks a power only a handful of the strongest can do and proceeds to wreck Kaido in ase like nothing. Yes that's the exact definition of a Zenkai boost.
Which straw hat stomped Big Mom ? Did you forget what Franky, Jinbe and Robin did to her ?
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Still, somehow Shanks could stop him from going after Whitebeard, still, Big Mom was fighting equally with him… strange...
A Dragon is still the worlds strongest creature... that's a fact, and that doesn't change...
Yes ? Yonko are on the same level.
@Joy:
Yes ? Yonko are on the same level.
Kaido is supposed to be the strongest, but the Yonko are equal?
So, that would make that title total bullshit… interesting...
He's been training advanced CoA for the past two weeks or so, he trained CoC for the past two years…
Applying a principle he's been training for two weeks to an already developed ability...Luffy developed Gear 2 and 3 in what, a week, two weeks? He was always great at that stuff, so no reason to be surprised.
From what i reading some people don't like that he get it suddenly but that seem to be what Oda was going for .
You have him training to be able hurt kaido , have the whole CoC and haki get better as you fight and get stronger .
Then you had him taking hits to figure it out in the battle.
So yes he get it suddenly but he has been working up his way to be able to do it and we discover what it is the same time as luffy .
Kaido is supposed to be the strongest, but the Yonko are equal?
So, that would make that title total bullshit… interesting...
Kaido being the strongest doesn't mean he'll stomp the fellow Yonko. Akainu was stronger than Aokiji, did he stomp him ?
@Joy:
Kaido being the strongest doesn't mean he'll stomp the fellow Yonko. Akainu was stronger than Aokiji, did he stomp him ?
Yeah, he did.
Besides, who's called fifth Yonko? :ninja: