I'm very curious about the F6 bounties as they'll give us a better idea of the SH bounty increases.
Jinbe in particular, I don't expect a huge bump at all
Chapter 1,023: Spitting Image
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Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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I'm very curious about the F6 bounties as they'll give us a better idea of the SH bounty increases.
Jinbe in particular, I don't expect a huge bump at all
Nah, he's definitely getting a significant raise.
A former warlord, after the abolishing of the system, joining the new emperor and playing an integral role in taking down another one.
That's a dangerous individual in any sense. Peace Maine or real pirate
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Nah, he's definitely getting a significant raise.
A former warlord, after the abolishing of the system, joining the new emperor and playing an integral role in taking down another one.
That's a dangerous individual in any sense. Peace Maine or real pirate
He was allied with Big Mom for around 2 years now. Him being directly affiliated with Luffy will be biggest reason for increase as I expect massive manhunt to start after this arc. Strawhats are on express highway to be new Yonko caliber enemies to Marines and World Goverment.
I wish that next arc we will move to Holy Land.. Vegapunk and Marejose lore galore would be amazing before culminative fights against Big Mom and after that with Blackbeard..
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
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He was allied with Big Mom for around 2 years now. Him being directly affiliated with Luffy will be biggest reason for increase as I expect massive manhunt to start after this arc. Strawhats are on express highway to be new Yonko caliber enemies to Marines and World Goverment.
I wish that next arc we will move to Holy Land.. Vegapunk and Marejose lore galore would be amazing before culminative fights against Big Mom and after that with Blackbeard..
Agreed. We are due for a big lore dump.
I expect after wano, the lowest bounty in the crew will be Luffy's highest in East Blue. So a 100M
Jinbei will definitely get just as big a bounty increase. Especially if you consider his influence as a former captain and FishMan Island royal connections.
The Govt should really want him dead or captured pronto.
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Between Fukurokuju, Hawkins, Lord Orochi and Apoo, I see Fukurokuju going down first. Not too much setup for Apoo vs Drake yet, so I expect that once the Sanji and Zoro fights lose a lil more attention and become part of the background for a while because they end after.
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
But that was going to happen sooner or later. From the day the crew entered the New World, it was a given we were going to see some ridiculous numbers. Though I wouldn't exactly say bounties are a way to measure how much of a threat someone is. I mean, we have Chopper with that ridiculous small number because the Marine think he's the mascot of the crew. If only they knew…
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
Yeah, like when you hear how high the emperor's bounties are and you know no one is going to go claim that bounty. It becomes meaningless.
It would have been interesting if the Warlords had also been bounty hunters. You keep the same system but make it bigger.
Like, it would have been interesting to know that the higher The Straw Hat's bounty became, the more likely we would see a clash between them and someone like Mihawk.
Also, we should have seen Kidd taken out in Sabaody at Marineford and establish that having a high bounty is not just about increasing power level.(You could have included Duval's crew and other slave traders in this. Taking Kidd as an easy bounty) But it actually makes your life incredibly difficulty.
Heck, you could even establish that the Marines exclusively go after high bounties that aren't part of the system.
So once it gets to a certain point, there is a high probability that an Admiral will come calling.
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
After all this is a world where if you just blow up the Supreme Court or go around murdering civilians you earn a reputation of "noteworthy rookie" with a noteworthy bounty, but hanging around on a fancy ship occasionally beating some strong guy, that's what make you worth billions capturing.
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
The thing is, unlike DBZ power levels, it never ended up as the kind of thing where say, someone with a 500 million bounty couldn't even dare to dream of beating someone with a 1b bounty, or like how Sanji and Zoro are setup to beat Queen and King despite both of them presumably (since we don't know King's yet) bounties that are 1 billion higher than theirs are. They were never strict power level indicators, especially for the protagonists and their allies. The Admirals don't even have bounties, yet they can fight against the Yonko
I get what you're saying, seeing that it can go up to the billions takes some luster off of it, but overall the bounty system is still the best power level indicator I've personally experienced. The inflation of it all hasn't really disturbed/ruined what makes it work so well in the first place.
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The thing is, unlike DBZ power levels, it never ended up as the kind of thing where say, someone with a 500 million bounty couldn't even dare to dream of beating someone with a 1b bounty, or like how Sanji and Zoro are setup to beat Queen and King despite both of them presumably (since we don't know King's yet) bounties that are 1 billion higher than theirs are. They were never strict power level indicators, especially for the protagonists and their allies. The Admirals don't even have bounties, yet they can fight against the Yonko
I get what you're saying, seeing that it can go up to the billions takes some luster off of it, but overall the bounty system is still the best power level indicator I've personally experienced. The inflation of it all hasn't really disturbed/ruined what makes it work so well in the first place.
Lets be honest here.
This is the exact reason Oda made sure that Luffy's bounty was over one billion.TO make it believable for Luffy to beat Emperors like Kaidou.
Even now we can't use the Straw hat's as a benchmarj because as readers, Oda knows that we know that Zoro and Sanji are at that billion power level.
In contrast, it would be ridiculous for pekoms the 500 mil guy to beat Queen the 1 billion guy
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Lets be honest here.
This is the exact reason Oda made sure that Luffy's bounty was over one billion.TO make it believable for Luffy to beat Emperors like Kaidou.
Even now we can't use the Straw hat's as a benchmarj because as readers, Oda knows that we know that Zoro and Sanji are at that billion power level.
In contrast, it would be ridiculous for pekoms the 500 mil guy to beat Queen the 1 billion guy
Your logic doesn't make much sense, because no one forced Oda to give Luffy or the Yonko the bounties they have. Even in a post-Katakuri world, the fandom assumed the highest bounties would reach like 2-3b max.
And I disagree that the bounties are very relevant in getting people to believe Luffy could beat Kaido, especially when Oda decided to make Kaido's bounty over 3x higher. Dunno why that would be a notable factor in me buying Luffy's defeat of Kaido when it's that much higher. The only thing that actually matters is Luffy's actual combat skill, which we saw with his defeat of two Yonko Commanders, as well as the training he did, etc. And even then you still had to throw in Luffy having at least 3 attempts to beat Kaido, the Scabbards, Supernova, Yamato, etc. Luffy's bounty is the last thing I'm thinking about here.
As for your Pekoms example, it doesn't really work either because it's more a portrayal issue than anything else. Sulong Neko and Inu could believably beat a Yonko Commander despite not having a known high bounty. So could Sabo, who we've seen clash against Admirals. So could Mihawk given the hype he's been given. And so on. And all those characters I've mentioned are not protagonists, and as far as we know have bounties that are lower, frozen, or straight up don't exist.
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Your logic doesn't make much sense, because no one forced Oda to give Luffy or the Yonko the bounties they have. Even in a post-Katakuri world, the fandom assumed the highest bounties would reach like 2-3b max.
And I disagree that the bounties are very relevant in getting people to believe Luffy could beat Kaido, especially when Oda decided to make Kaido's bounty over 3x higher. Dunno why that would be a notable factor in me buying Luffy's defeat of Kaido when it's that much higher. The only thing that actually matters is Luffy's actual combat skill, which we saw with his defeat of two Yonko Commanders, as well as the training he did, etc. And even then you still had to throw in Luffy having at least 3 attempts to beat Kaido, the Scabbards, Supernova, Yamato, etc. Luffy's bounty is the last thing I'm thinking about here.
As for your Pekoms example, it doesn't really work either because it's more a portrayal issue than anything else. Sulong Neko and Inu could believably beat a Yonko Commander despite not having a known high bounty. So could Sabo, who we've seen clash against Admirals. So could Mihawk given the hype he's been given. And so on. And all those characters I've mentioned are not protagonists, and as far as we know have bounties that are lower, frozen, or straight up don't exist.
To me its seems like a hierachy thing. The guy with highest bounty beats the other guy with other highest bounty.
Thats why we literally have the SH with the second highest bounty, fighting the Beast pirate with the second highest bounty.
Heck, even Zoro says it himself. There is no "concrete reason" for Zoro to be fighting King, because he is not even a swordsman.
From a story perspective, there is absolutely no reason that Sanji should not be the one fighting king.
But because Bounties are power levels, we have match ups based on power levels.
Additionally, while it might not be important for you for a 500 million Luffy beating a 3 billion kaidou. More people do care.
Also remember, Oda made the really Oda(and I am still not sure if it was a mistranslation) OF Luffy literally stating that he sensed Caribou was worth Millions.(Or something like that, its still fucking weird to this day)
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
I don't really agree. The whole bounties levelling was pretty flow up until the end of the first half, when the higher known still was Doflamingo's 340.000.000 since Jaya arc.
We can even actually desume which grade of calamity this or that character is: Luffy needed to take down World Government's Justice Island Enies Lobby to reach 300.000.000. It was clear already Doflamingo had to do something terrible to achieve that numbers (as we'd soon discovered, he actually did a lot of thing.) as much as Moriah (clashing with an Emperor).Luffy had to team up with Rayleigh and Jinbe and intrude Marineford to reach 400 millions.
Above the 500.000.000 it is Yonko crew territory as Ace (550), people who actually did a mess worldwide, as Sabo (602) and pirates that had plenty of time to grow their value, as Chinjao (542).
I guess here's the explosion you're talking about: Yonko's top commander going from 700 (Peros) to above 1 billion. But we talk about pirates messing around since twenty years and more, and looking to how Luffy grew his own so fast, it isn't really astonishing. I can easily figure each of them clashing with Admirals (see Marco), taking down whole cities or even kingdoms (look at Calamities' epithet: they're clearly not pacific) just in order to retrieve some gold or food (Big Mom's method are clear on it). Maybe there've been wars as Edd or others which actually involved citizens or World Government. The same is applied to Yonkos, but after the way Curly Pirates actually got an rise after Dressrosa just "cause they're part of the crew" I can actually depict captains getting rise even for their crew's action. I mean: if Katakuri burn down an island, I expect Big Mom to rise her bounty too.
There's clearly a proportional grow of bounties (Arlong's 20> Crocodile's 81 > Moriah's 320) but the 300-399 has been such a limit to break through (Caesar's 300, Doffy's 340) that we actually got a hard time to go after and the numbers exploded. I think we could've get a more proper scale with Warlord's real bounties, but here we are.
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To me its seems like a hierachy thing. The guy with highest bounty beats the other guy with other highest bounty.
Thats why we literally have the SH with the second highest bounty, fighting the Beast pirate with the second highest bounty.
Heck, even Zoro says it himself. There is no "concrete reason" for Zoro to be fighting King, because he is not even a swordsman.
From a story perspective, there is absolutely no reason that Sanji should not be the one fighting king.
But because Bounties are power levels, we have match ups based on power levels.
Additionally, while it might not be important for you for a 500 million Luffy beating a 3 billion kaidou. More people do care.
Also remember, Oda made the really Oda(and I am still not sure if it was a mistranslation) OF Luffy literally stating that he sensed Caribou was worth Millions.(Or something like that, its still fucking weird to this day)
The Sanji and Zoro thing is a specific trend that isn't even strictly tied down to bounties, the most obvious example being their Enies Lobby fights. Not to mention Sanji actually has the 2nd (3rd highest actually, don't forget Jinbe) highest bounty anyhow.
And I didn't say no one would care about the bounty Luffy has before beating Kaido, just out of all the things to justify Kaido's defeat, Luffy's bounty is pretty much at the bottom. Even in a world where the bounties were less inflated to your liking, Kaido would still have the highest difference in bounty yet compared to Luffy's.
Overall the bounty system is a lot more flexible than you're making it out to be, and isn't the end-be-all as we've witnessed multiple times throughout the years. I've given you several examples of non-protagonist characters with lower bounties than King and Queen that the fandom could picture believably defeating them. Like yea bounties help depict a character's power level, but in pretty much most ideal way possible as opposed to how something like that DBZ does it.
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Oda sits crying at his desk, unable to rationalize how someone with only 500 million beri-douriki-nen can defeat someone with over 1 billion beri-douriki-nen. He calls his editor to cancel One Piece before walking into the ocean, never to be seen again.
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it would be funny if the wano citizens claimed the animal kingdom pirates bounties once they are defeated
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Warlord bounties were frozen, they are also not a good indicator of their overall strenghth. When Jinbe quit being a warlord, his bounty was 250M, and after that and the incident at Marineford, it went up to over 400M. Meanwhile we have Blackbeard, who had no bounty at all, yet anyone could tell he was nothing to sneeze at.
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It'll be what it is. Remember that Ryuma's genes weren't enough to keep Kuina from dying as mundane a death as falling down the stairs, and didn't propel her father to any grander ambition than making an honest living running a dojo either (give or take some Revolutionary Army support on the side). People in the story are going to say it feels like "destiny" or some such like they always do, but on a purely mechanical level, all it's doing so far is providing Oda a way to draw parallels with the greats of past generations. Zoro's still had to work for what he's got.
That seem a bit flat. Our rag tag group of nobodies determined to turn the world upside down are actually important people preordained to do so. I reckon Nami grandparents are also navigators that worked for joy boy
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The flipside to that is that not one of them has shown that they didn't train or work their asses off to get where they are. If they hadn't, then all of this would be even more unbelievable.
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The worst part about bounties is that they go through the same inflation as powerlevels did in Dragon Ball. At first it is kinda neat, then they just explode into meaningless numbers once each new guy has to be 300.000 times the old guys number to get the gasp he's -insert villain- times 8!! reaction. TLDR i enjoyed it more when bounties were smaller
I feel the same way. I understand why they exist but at this point the bounties just feel like meaningless noise to me for the most part. Perhaps I would think differently if lesser pushovers or people that don't have much of an impact to the plot or in fights would be getting a high bounty that shits on bounties from characters from earlier arcs who might have had a lower bounty but a bigger impact on the story.
I mean in East Blue we had pretty much the bounties of the enemies captains only. In the first half if the Grand Line from the big guys only Crocodile and Moria had bounties, Enel and Lucci had none for obvious reasons. And all four of those crews mostly had no bounties. A big difference was then Jaya where first Roshio and then Bellamy got their bounties. They were both lower than Croc's, Zoro's or Luffy's but they still somehow felt to have a bit weight to them. Nowadays, Damalo Blacks, Caribos, Coribos, Pekoms' and whoever else (not kidding here, I realky lost track who all has a bounty after this because it just doesn't mean anythung to me anymore) get's a bounty to show how much more of big guns we are dealing with now. But the thing is that we don't really need that much bounties thrown around to get that the captains are strong.
Also another thing that somehow rubbed me the wrong way with bounties is that for Luffy we went from 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 to 500,000,000 Belly. Just feels underwhelming when compared to the previous jumps.
Last but not least. Screw bounties if there's no actual real bounty hunters who go after those high amounts and actually manage to claim some. If we don't get this in the series, can perhaps a movie focus on bounty hunters for a change please?[/rant]
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I still think bounties make a lot of sense, although my pet peeve is that Luffy should have jumped to way more than 500mil after defeating DoFlamingo if Oda intended to introduce an 1bi character soon after (Jack).
The issue with bounties is indeed the lack of bounty hunters, but I believe individual Marines can claim the bounties for themselves after defeating a pirate, so the bounties are not completely useless in-universe.
Btw, after the timeskip, I wanted one of the first arcs of the New World to be against a bounty hunter. Someone strong expecting the usual level of a super rookie to capture, but finding out that Luffy was way stronger than that after his secret training with Rayleigh.
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I… actually think the Bounty system is still one of the most clever ideas concerning threat and powerlevels - because it's so blurry and bloated.
It's supposed to give the readers a rough idea how threatening someone is, but the real benefit (from the point of an author) is the fact that it makes people think and argue. What might be annoying in an online forum is exactly what I would want to happen on every schoolyard: the kids talking and arguing about how strong character X is and how the bounty reflects it (or not!).
The DBZ power counter is just that, a powercounter. Kayoken Goku is 4000 points stronger than Vegeta. That's it, case close, no room for buzz.The bounty being influenced by several factors makes it interesting, it invites discussion. A few posts above we have someone argue that Jinbe sailing directly under a Yonkou (Luffy) and not just under the protection of one (Big Mom) might give him a massive jump, even if his powerlevel stays the same.
It's a good argument. There should be a difference between Jinbe acting as your freelance-friendly neighborhood Whaleshark and becoming the commander of one of the biggest threats of the Government.
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From the government perspective, the bounties work well on the lower values. For the stronger enemies they just put them in the system and forget about it.
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I still think bounties make a lot of sense, although my pet peeve is that Luffy should have jumped to way more than 500mil after defeating DoFlamingo if Oda intended to introduce an 1bi character soon after (Jack).
But Doflamingo wasn't the top commander of a Yonkou. Jacku's threat level is much higher because he acts how Kaido wants him to, Jacku's strength is the extension of Kaido's direct influence.
Like, let us imagine a world where Zoro is the captain of his own crew and he manages to defeat Jacku during a raid. He wouldn't be pushed beyond 1 billion, because Jacku isn't really worth that much on his own. Defeating him wouldn't catapult Zoro to that threat level, because Kaido's "bonus influence" as a Yonkou woudn't carry over.
Now, Zoro defeating a 1 Billion guy while he sails under a Yonkou himself? In this case Luffy? Super likely. 200-300 million for defeating the guy, another flat 500 million for becoming a Yonkou top commander. Just like everyone got a flat 50 million increase after Doflamingo.
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I don't think bounties are meaningless as they get super inflated. I think it's fun and still at the very least gives opposing pirates incentive to take someone else down. They can't collect but they can take the fame.
The yearn for high level bounty hunters or bounty hunters period is interesting but I never cared so much. Look at Black Beard, he was specifically looking to take down someone with at least a 100million berry bounty right? He was a pirate but still hunting bounties. Couldn't a Marine collect if they took someone down? How about some good natured citizen just powerful enough like Kyros who could manage to bring in a bigger bounty?
And like Jabra said it makes for great discussion as to why someone may have the bounty that they do.
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Only reason for me to care about a bounty is for when characters like Teach take advantage of it or when Germa can take away the "dead" part. I look forward to the more creative ways for it to drive the story. The numbers not so much unless there's a purposeful detail behind it like Kid being higher than Luffy due to civilians getting hurt.
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Now i know this is just complaining about shonen itself, but i prefer it when progress is more bit by bit instead of outright level jumping to the next stage beyond. But i guess this goes hand in hand with me wanting more sailing from island to island meeting foes who aren't worlds apart and "exploring" each tier deeply. Like you get more pleasure from smaller episodes with for instance the BW getting their villain of the week run before the big battle instead of going from bloated everything happens in the same story part mega arcs into another bloated arc y'know. That breathing room to explore makes things feel alive for me
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But Doflamingo wasn't the top commander of a Yonkou. Jacku's threat level is much higher because he acts how Kaido wants him to, Jacku's strength is the extension of Kaido's direct influence.
Like, let us imagine a world where Zoro is the captain of his own crew and he manages to defeat Jacku during a raid. He wouldn't be pushed beyond 1 billion, because Jacku isn't really worth that much on his own. Defeating him wouldn't catapult Zoro to that threat level, because Kaido's "bonus influence" as a Yonkou woudn't carry over.
Now, Zoro defeating a 1 Billion guy while he sails under a Yonkou himself? In this case Luffy? Super likely. 200-300 million for defeating the guy, another flat 500 million for becoming a Yonkou top commander. Just like everyone got a flat 50 million increase after Doflamingo.
I understand that Commanders are an extension of the Yonkou threat – so they are more valuable than equally powerful captains because taking down a Commander weakens his/her Emperor.
That said, still, from a writing point of view, I believe there are many things that Oda should take into consideration when choosing the bounties, not only strategic rationality in-universe. My pet peeve with Luffy's increase to only 500mil is because: (a) it was Luffy's first bounty post-timeskip, so it was lackluster and underwhelming that he only increased 25% after becoming much more powerful and threatening; (b) DoFlamingo was a big deal in many ways, so it wouldn't be unreasonable if his defeat was seen as something special by the WG. Also, (c) even if bounties are not equal to power level, it sets readers' excitement and it grounds their expectations, so suddenly seeing an 1bi pirate (Jack) after Doflamingo was a shock, and to me it felt like Oda was belittling the level of the threats that came before, so Luffy was not powerful enough -- even if I can understand the in-universe reasons for Commanders to be more expensive.
If I were an editor, I'd have advised Oda to increase Luffy's bounty to 700~800mi.
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As one piece fans, we are still discussing the importance/lack thereof with bounties; when the story already said they can be used as a measurement of power and threat level in other means?
Come on.
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When next spoilers dropping?
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Been thinking a lot about the drawing on the wall that Enel finds at the moon.
Sorry, but I keep hearing that the panel represented the 3 "peoples" from the moon: birkans, shandians and jayans. And yet, I don't see any reference to that in the translations I checked. According to them Enel found a panel showing a civilization that lived in the moon: "winged moon people". That's it. And on the next cover story the information that this civilization went down to Earth looking for resources. Seems pretty easy to me that we can theorize that they were… Lunarians.So, in a way, Lunarian could be the name given to people who lived in the sky islands and also Shandora. And also, apparently at the Red Line. We know that Shandora was connected to the ancient kingdom, they even guard their poneglyph. King also seems to have wings....
But yes, I know that no shandoran has, so far, shown to be able to control fire. So King could have come from a specific group in this civilization, the ones that stayed in the Red Line.By the way, to anyone interested, those panels that Enel look at were inspired by the Mixtec Codices, a series of ancient indigenous books from the south of Mexico. Oda really did his ressearch into Amerindian art and writing styles to draw those scenes.
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@All:
If anyone were to keep Onimaru, it would probably be Kawamatsu…..
If he survives.
Probably. But all this talk about lineage/genes, and the fox showing up besides Ushimaru, made me think that it could be fun if all the Straw Hats got a companion.
Luffy has plenty, like Surume and the ones from the island he trained at.
Zoro could have Onimaru.
Nami has Zeus.
Usopp ?
Sanji ?
Chopper ?
Robin had the badly drawn dragon.
Franky had the sea monsters from Water 7.
Brooke has Laboon
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About Zoro, if he looks like so much to his former master Ushimaru, the fight with Gyokimaru on the bridge feels a bit strange. Don't you think ?
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About Zoro, if he looks like so much to his former master Ushimaru, the fight with Gyokimaru on the bridge feels a bit strange. Don't you think ?
Maybe that's why Gyukimaru was so antagonistic, like he thought Zoro was copying his former master.
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Been thinking a lot about the drawing on the wall that Enel finds at the moon.
Sorry, but I keep hearing that the panel represented the 3 "peoples" from the moon: birkans, shandians and jayans. And yet, I don't see any reference to that in the translations I checked. According to them Enel found a panel showing a civilization that lived in the moon: "winged moon people". That's it. And on the next cover story the information that this civilization went down to Earth looking for resources. Seems pretty easy to me that we can theorize that they were… Lunarians.It's not that any translation mentions the 3 peoples directly it's just that the 3 peoples depicted in the pictures are very distinct. Look at the wings, buggy antenna hair style, clothing etc.
They all seemed to work together as one nation but there looks to be 3 clear sub cultures of one another.
The Shandians even in the sky wore their hair like insect antenna, as a group they seemed to have all stayed together in the sky when migrating.
The Jayan's even in the sky wore animals or animal shapes as clothing. That carried on as they migrated all the way to the blue sea.
The Bilkin's biggest distinction is the large wings. They found a different sky island destroyed by Eneru if I remember correctly. Eneru's priests were all distinctly large winged all coming over from Bilka(?) to antagonize Skypeia.
Urouge throws a wrench into all this as he is from Shandora with the buggy hair but also with large wings. The best explanation is that the cultures intermarried and Urouge just has some big wing genes!
@Johnny:
Maybe that's why Gyukimaru was so antagonistic, like he thought Zoro was copying his former master.
Oh I like this angle!
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Okay, certainly couldn't miss commenting on this chapter even though I'm late. This is one of the best chapters of One Piece pre- or post-timeskip. The only ones that beat it are the real heavy hitters, Declaration of War, Ace's death, etc. But this has just about everything that makes One Piece what it is (nearly, we're not in the adventure portion of the arc). Intriguing lore – including both lore of a new race and the direction things have to head, towards gods -- great tagteams, mid-battle complications (from Sanji's raid suit, though some seem to think this'll work in his benefit), inventive fighting, great action, when things are so serious that both people are willing to fight dirty to come out ahead, multiple fights heading towards their climax... My lord. And then the spread at the end absolutely stealing the show. In terms of sheer variety of good content, I'm going to have to give this one a 10/10. I see no discernible flaws.
Davy Back is a controversial arc in general, I'm one of those who leans more towards liking it, but what it DID have that was for sure good was the Zoro/Sanji set their differences aside tag-team. This is that, but in a much more serious context against one of the most powerful pirate crews ever. Oda knocked it out of the park with King and Queen, before Wano I would've imagined that Kaido's top commanders would probably be just powerful beast dudes, powerful lion DF user, etc. But he added a lot more traits to them to spice it up.
This SHOULD be the finale of Wano now, or final climax. But I have a feeling it'll be much longer than most think.
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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i can't help but read each and every dirt monkey's posts as if he was in a manic episode
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You mean to tell me he isn't?
Eh, fuck it.
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It's not that any translation mentions the 3 peoples directly it's just that the 3 peoples depicted in the pictures are very distinct. Look at the wings, buggy antenna hair style, clothing etc.
They all seemed to work together as one nation but there looks to be 3 clear sub cultures of one another.
The Shandians even in the sky wore their hair like insect antenna, as a group they seemed to have all stayed together in the sky when migrating.
The Jayan's even in the sky wore animals or animal shapes as clothing. That carried on as they migrated all the way to the blue sea.
The Bilkin's biggest distinction is the large wings. They found a different sky island destroyed by Eneru if I remember correctly. Eneru's priests were all distinctly large winged all coming over from Bilka(?) to antagonize Skypeia.
Urouge throws a wrench into all this as he is from Shandora with the buggy hair but also with large wings. The best explanation is that the cultures intermarried and Urouge just has some big wing genes!
Oh I like this angle!
Thank you so much! That makes a lot of sense.
Zoro being a Shimotsuki could be not to make him have super special genes but to actually make it possible for him to marry Hiyori in the epilogue. If he was from a damiyo family he can be with the princess and open a dojo in Wano after the adventure
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i can't help but read each and every dirt monkey's posts as if he was in a manic episode
You mean to tell me he isn't?
Mental health is an actual, serious issue. It shouldn't be used to poke fun at anyone here.
Like the Avatar? / Like the Miis?Dragalia Lost ID: 97617932505
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Mental health is an actual, serious issue. It shouldn't be used to poke fun at anyone here.
Got a list of them Very Serious Issues we aren't allowed to make fun of? So I know which books to burn.
Eh, fuck it.
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Do agree, won't do it again.
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@Zar:
Not a fan of Sanji possibly awakening secret DNA or that the Raid Suit is enhancing him in some way, I'm hoping his flames stay ones of passion. Zoro having parallels to Ushimaru and Ryuma lands in the "I don't care" category; on one hand I prefer characters to be nobodies with no fancy connections
I’m getting sick of people complaining about these revelations and spouting “Muh hardwork” and the eugenics meme. First off, that is not what eugenics means, second, this is just people projecting what they want to see. Why do people think the message is "hard work always works!" when in Naruto one of the earliest fights in the series is Rock Lee losing to Gaara? Hard work isn’t everything, natural talent also has a part, and will.
That would be boring, also Sanji’s flame just being “his passion” would be nonsensical and rule breaking.When you go back and re-read early One Piece (the first 300 chapters), you pick up on the fact that Oda constructs his story by leaving noticeable gaps in regards to explanation so he can fill them in later as good writing does. Things like:
- the blank 10 years of Luffy growing up and skipping his actual departure from the village. (Covered in his Luffy's flashback.)
- Sanji already being on the ship Zeff attacked and then the whole thing about him being born in North Blue. (Covered in Sanji's second flashback).
- Yosaku's explanation about Jinbe releasing Arlong into East Blue. (Covered in the Fishman Island flashback).
- Zoro's method for cutting through steel. (Ryuo)
Sanji's Diable Jambe was the same. The friction simply helped activate it, notice how King is able to simply ignite himself at will, which implies Lunarians can simply use fire when they want, but pre-timeskip Sanji had to push it to activate the power, the drug his mother took simply made his modifications dormant but started to slowly awaken through the struggles and training he went through. But Oda's explanation of Sanji not being hurt by the flames in the SBS (and parroted in this very chapter) was suspect pre-timeskip. Sanji straight up used Diable Jambe underwater; ain't no friction there. And with Hell Memories and thereafter, it appeared the flames themselves were responding to Sanji's feelings. Then we get to Whole Cake Island and learn about Judge's manipulation of the Lineage Factor as well as Sora's efforts to protect Sanji's emotions. At this point, Sanji's Diable Jambe was highly suspect.
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As one piece fans, we are still discussing the importance/lack thereof with bounties; when the story already said they can be used as a measurement of power and threat level in other means?
Come on.
It’s an Internet forum, what do you expect?
There is either quality discussion or people spouting their uninformed opinions and complaining and acting like they are valid and then get angry when someone criticizes them or tells them they are wrong regardless of how valid it is, and some trolls.
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Great chapter. King is being shown as a key character in the lore and mythos of One Piece's world.
So it's heavily implied that Zoro descends from the Shimotsuki line. Swordsmanship is literally in his DNA it seems.
So the raid suit is doing something to Sanji's body. I wonder if it's a power up?
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Why do people think the message is "hard work always works!" when in Naruto one of the earliest fights in the series is Rock Lee losing to Gaara? Hard work isn’t everything, natural talent also has a part, and will.
I want to ask "Why the fuck are you talking about Naruto?" but I'm pretty sure I know the answer. You're part of that increasingly loud faction of weirdos on Twitter that are just absolutely convinced Naruto didn't completely shit the bed in part 2.
Not at all surprised they overlap with "Sanji's mom failing to prevent him from becoming a genetically enhanced super-soldier would be good, actually"
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That would be boring, also Sanji’s flame just being “his passion” would be nonsensical and rule breaking.
You mean like Sasaki's helicopter powers, or Zoro being able to speak with his swords in his mouth?
Or Pappag being able to talk despite being a regular starfish, or Kaku's giraffe anything?
