American Politics: A Brand New Day
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"Wahoo!" —Klonoa
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@Nitwit said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@sgamer82 maybe but the real world is stranger than fiction
And that has nothing to do with anything I just said, nor does it address anything I said in any way.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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"Wahoo!" —Klonoa
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@Nitwit said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@sgamer82 I know I just don't wanna turn it into a fight here. We can talk about this in DMs if you want.
I decline. Partly because it's not an argument I'm inclined to have, as I dismiss the premise at face value, and partly, for that reason, because I do not see anything to fight about.
You say the real world is stranger than fiction? Currently in the real world, Democrat sex pests get shamed into resigning their posts (see Al Franken) while Republican sex pests become President of the United States (Donald Trump) or Supreme Court Justices (Brett Cavanaugh)
Much like anyone who can look at Trump's term as President and say "More, please", any opinion they suggests the two are equally bad is an opinion I feel neither desire nor obligation to pretend to take seriously because, at this point, anyone claiming "both sides" is clearly not paying attention to the real world.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@sgamer82 I can see where you are coming from. I don't want to derail the thread as this is more of a news report on politics and not just "let's talk politics and debate on who is a better politician" most times if it's news-related I just check on what's going on and focus on my own life. Keep in mind I'm an American and while it sucks Trump ruined everyone's lives. I have to focus on paying my bills to the government and less time trying to fight people on Twitter as I do wanna focus on my mental health and not get into trouble. That is why if I am on Twitter I normally retweet nice art online. If I do see anything political I look at it, read it, and be on my way. And I do have a job so I don't wanna act like a clown online so I keep my personal life to myself. If this was a debate thread? Sure. But not for politics I just don't wanna make enemies online. Plus, it always ends in disaster. I hope you understand as I assume you are a nice dude in real life. I just need to focus on getting my life better and finding a home that I could live in on my own so I don't have to live with my mom and just grow up on my own. I know I'm an adult but money is a little hard to get in this economy so I have to focus on that first and save enough money for a new house and a better job that pays from 9 to 5 as the job I work in right now only focus on part-time due to my disability so that is another reason
"Wahoo!" —Klonoa
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The Republican Party is about one jackboot into fully embracing a Christianized fascist ideology.
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Seeing people talk about every politician running for Senate gives me some HxH headaches.
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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@Nitwit I'm not sure I do, since almost everything you've said applies to me as well (I'm in SW Idaho, for reference), plus this is a place to discuss politics, with news events being what tends to spark the discussions.
So I'm not quite sure where you're going with all that, but (shrug) okay.
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Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@sgamer82 I live in New Jersey so I don't move around much unless I go on vacation or just try to care for my mom and pets. Most times the only thing to keep me happy is some video games and good shows to cope with myself. I tend to not be over-worried about events in my life like a war or some mass shooting as I get depressed when I hear of a shooting. Gives me some dark thoughts in my head. Let's just say Minecraft related as I don't wanna break the TOS on this forum site. But yeah I do get black pill over stuff like that so I try to at least focus on keeping myself happy and not do self-harm on myself.
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@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Yes, they are.
Like, objectively so.
By a country mile.
There is no Democrat so heinous I would consider a current-day Republican a preferable alternative.From an insider perspective your absolutely right.
From an outsider perspective this is what I see:
Corporate banked party A: We want a Christo-Fascist White Nationalist state.
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Corporate banked party B: The Status Quo party that uses civil rights reforms and expansions as carrot and stick to get votes, but when in power say it's not the time to implement or can't be done unless they get even more power.Like look at this: Biden says Democrats will not be able to pass abortion-rights legislation
I don't think there is a proposed bill ready, or the debate on that started or societal pressure to force the minimum needed republicans to vote on that. And yet, it sounds like we really want to do this but we don't have enough elected official to do what the majority of the population wants us to do.Of all the flaws the American political system has, been historically a two party race ended up being the worst of them. Because since Truman and cold war the two parties can only gravitate further and further to the right. There's only right wing positions, neo-liberal economics, etc. And there's no space to change that in the foreseeable future because the two parties work and tandem to kill any party that might represent any threat to their duopoly.
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@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Yes, they are.
Like, objectively so.
By a country mile.
There is no Democrat so heinous I would consider a current-day Republican a preferable alternative.From an insider perspective your absolutely right.
From an outsider perspective this is what I see:
Corporate banked party A: We want a Christo-Fascist White Nationalist state.
or
Corporate banked party B: The Status Quo party that uses civil rights reforms and expansions as carrot and stick to get votes, but when in power say it's not the time to implement or can't be done unless they get even more power.Like look at this: Biden says Democrats will not be able to pass abortion-rights legislation
I don't think there is a proposed bill ready, or the debate on that started or societal pressure to force the minimum needed republicans to vote on that. And yet, it sounds like we really want to do this but we don't have enough elected official to do what the majority of the population wants us to do.Of all the flaws the American political system has, been historically a two party race ended up being the worst of them. Because since Truman and cold war the two parties can only gravitate further and further to the right. There's only right wing positions, neo-liberal economics, etc. And there's no space to change that in the foreseeable future because the two parties work and tandem to kill any party that might represent any threat to their duopoly.
You're not wrong about the two party system, but it doesn't change that the worst Democrat is preferable to the best Republican, more often then not.
Also, while abortion rights may not be on the table, same-sex marriage is, so it's not as if they're doing nothing.
'We Have The Votes': The Senate Will Act This Week To Codify Same-Sex Marriage
With the midterm elections over, Democrats have found enough Republicans ready to join them in advancing basic LGBTQ rights.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/senate-vote-codify-same-sex-marriage_n_6372a027e4b0ca9acf2790c9
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
You're not wrong about the two party system, but it doesn't change that the worst Democrat is preferable to the best Republican, more often then not.
I don't and can't disagree with that. But the result of such ends being always short term policies that would bolster the changes of one side winning the elections.
While this stalemate remains no systemic change is gonna be made. And that includes reaaaaaaally putting the weight of the police and FBI to crack down white supremacism groups. -
@Nitwit said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@Time-Control-Magician Democrats are not better either............
Depending on which democrats where talking about?
Yes.
But even without for the most part they’re objectively better than Republicans. One party flaky, short sighted, and push over prone as they are actually wants to help the country and ordinary people.
The other wants to turn it into a zero regulation free for all, theocracy where the rich can do whatever they want. While forcing women to have kids they can’t afford to take care of at the expense of potentially their lives and mental/physical health where LGBTQ individuals have next to no rights. People can walk around sick and infect others with highly contagious and deadly diseases. If you’re either financially struggling or you’re a retiree you don’t get any aid from either your state or the federal government. Prevent you from reading certain books due to “specific” themes they find impressionable towards kids (Bible is okay though), That our electoral process is either constantly screwed up to make it harder for certain people to vote or to ensure what power they get as a result is unchallengeable among the other bullshit republicans have been trying to do for the last 40-50 years.
@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Supreme Court Justices (Brett Cavanaugh)
Or if we want to take it back to 1991 Clarence “the original SCOTUS Sex Pest” Thomas who can also have conflict of interests and still serve on the bench.
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@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Of all the flaws the American political system has, been historically a two party race ended up being the worst of them.
Thomas Jefferson didn't want any sort of party system in the government. He was so right.
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@Satsuki said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Thomas Jefferson didn't want any sort of party system in the government. He was so right.
Jefferson didn't want any form of government that was not he and his rich and enlightened buddies telling the pleb to obey.
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Same as it ever was.
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It's Washington who famously warned against partisanship in his farewell address. Jefferson was one of the founders of the initial opposition party (Democratic-Republicans). He pretty much whole-heartedly embraced the idea of political parties.
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Anything a president wanted 250 years ago is irrelevant.
The main problem with our system it the representation is UTTERLY broken by the fact that land votes instead of people.
Because in the senate every state is guaranteed two and only two senate seats, we have a situation where 15% of the population gets 45% representation. Meanwhile population centers California, New York, Texas and Florida, 33% of the population, get 8% rep. Based entirely on arbitrary lines on a map.
"Oh, but its supposed to be that way, it gives balance to the little people, so they aren't overrun by the populated states on everything."
The system was created 246 years ago when there were only 13 states with a total population of 2.5 million, no mega population centers, and it was mostly a compromise to appease slave owners since slaves and women didn't get votes. And we didn't have a two party system yet, it was three or four way races for the next hundred years, and the runner up got to be VP for a while.
But even if that was the intent and it was functioning as intended, (sure, give that 15% something like 20 or 25% representation as balance... but not 45%) the House and Electoral College are similarly skewed. Not AS badly as the Senate, but they haven't grown to match population in 100 years. It should be 750-950 seats/Electoral votes and not 435, depending on how you want to do the math (every half million?) so the big states end up losing a fair bit of voice, and purple states that are about even can slide wildly due to gerrymandering.. Add in the winner takes all system of the electoral college giving entire states just discards millions of votes and makes a lot of people feel their vote is worthless and why bother, if they're in a very red or a very blue state.
I think its something like 1 vote in Wyoming is worth 78 votes in California, is how badly the system is broken.
And so 20-25% of the country (33% if you're being generous) is regularly getting 50-60% of the voting power which is why its so broken and they don't actually need to pay any attention to what's popular and a bunch of boomers are doing everything they can to hold onto their last gasp of power.
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@Time-Control-Magician said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Supreme Court Justices (Brett Cavanaugh)
Or if we want to take it back to 1991 Clarence “the original SCOTUS Sex Pest” Thomas who can also have conflict of interests and still serve on the bench.
I was making a point to keep it as current as possible, in part because that same era also gave us Bill Clinton on the Democrats side, and I'm reasonably sure his actions wouldn't be tolerated in today's climate. Maybe the actual President, I'll concede, but not likely below that.
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I really hope this new congressman does this to MTG:
https://www.comicsands.com/garcia-taylor-greene-leakes-video-2658645406.html?fbclid=IwAR3YkPc8yOTw0Gej6TSVg_vSmDZX3dACvo2g1ZrypxlFK62jyoBwLRzUHBI -
Somewhere silently to himself Herschel Walker is happy
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-overturns-georgias-ban-abortion-180751809.html
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Watching GOPers turn against each other is nice.
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Joseph Smith came out of the closet
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In relation to a point I made earlier about how Democrats can be bad
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@Time-Control-Magician said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
In relation to a point I made earlier about how Democrats can be bad
Nobody said Democrats weren't/couldn't be bad. I, at least, said they were better then Republicans, which remains true since a majority of the Senate dems voted against that resolution, as opposed to all Republicans voting for it, and Biden has promised to veto it.
A random Democrat might not act/vote the way you'd prefer, but a random Republican almost certainly won't. So I maintain my prior statement that there is no situation I can think of where a Democrat wouldn't be preferable to a Republican.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1592989202270109696?t=dTK5NhfqznBUY3nEDsFgxA&s=19
62-37, Senate advances bill to protect same-sex marriage. It still needs to clear another 60-vote procedural hurdle, pass the Senate by a simple majority and pass the House. But very clear sign that this is poised to become law this year.
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@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Nobody said Democrats weren't/couldn't be bad. I, at least, said they were better then Republicans, which remains true since a majority of the Senate dems voted against that resolution, as opposed to all Republicans voting for it, and Biden has promised to veto it.
I know that I’m just reiterating to Nitwit that while Democrats are nowhere near as bad as Republicans some of them do have an unfortunate tendency to do shitty things or are just plain shitty people.
Just wanted to dot my I’s and cross my T’s basically.
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Madison Cawthorn vacates offices before end of term; constituents' calls go unanswered
Rep. Madison Cawthorn of WNC, has apparently vacated his Washington and district offices nearly two months before the end of his term.
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Nancy Pelosi announces she's stepping down as leader of House Democrats, honoring a 2018 informal agreement to set term limits on senior positions.
https://apnews.com/article/nancy-pelosi-house-future-plans-updates-3839ff31c605efa0ec1ee4ff004b72d2
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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This might be a intersting watch for the weekend
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@Jabberwok said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Nancy Pelosi announces she's stepping down as leader of House Democrats, honoring a 2018 informal agreement to set term limits on senior positions.
https://apnews.com/article/nancy-pelosi-house-future-plans-updates-3839ff31c605efa0ec1ee4ff004b72d2
Nancy, noooo!!! Who's supposed to snark for us now?!
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@Satsuki said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@Jabberwok said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Nancy Pelosi announces she's stepping down as leader of House Democrats, honoring a 2018 informal agreement to set term limits on senior positions.
https://apnews.com/article/nancy-pelosi-house-future-plans-updates-3839ff31c605efa0ec1ee4ff004b72d2
Nancy, noooo!!! Who's supposed to snark for us now?!
If it's any consolation she got one last shot in by claiming she'd worked with three Presidents when she had become leader during Bush Jr
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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@Jabberwok said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@sgamer82 I believe she actually said she enjoyed working with three presidents, not that she only worked with three.
Either way Trump is probably/hopefully fuming.
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https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1593675906601582596?t=gaU5Jknoq7zrm78NtbvsSA&s=19
Per @RobLegare Garland has named a special counsel to oversee the entirety of the Justice Department's criminal investigation into the unlawful retention national defense information at Mar-a-Lago and key aspects of the Jan 6 investigation.
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AG Garland says the probe includes the blocking of the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election and the attempt to block the certification of the electoral vote on Jan 6
Garland says special counsel will handle “the investigation into whether any person or entity interfered with the peaceful transfer of power” after the 2020 election AND will handle the Mar-a-Lago records probe and possible “obstruction” of that investigation
Garland specifies the US Attorney for DC will continue to oversee prosecution of US Capitol attack defendants
Among his reasons for special counsel, Garland cites “the former President’s announcement that he is a candidate for President in the next election, and the sitting President’s stated intention to be a candidate as well”
Garland’s decision makes it harder for the new House GOP majority to call him to a public hearing and ask questions about Mar-a-Lago or Jan 6 probes. Garland can defer to special counsel.
Special Counsel Jack Smith statement: “The pace of the investigations will not pause or flag under my watch. I will exercise independent judgement and will move the investigations forward expeditiously and thoroughly to whatever outcome the facts and the law dictate.”
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Merrick Garland is grifter son of a bitch who considers his only job as attorney general to protect the rich and powerful from consequences.
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I mean you can say the same about Congress both at the state and federal level.
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@Time-Control-Magician said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
I mean you can say the same about Congress both at the state and federal level.
All politicians and people elected to lifetime appointments are not to be trusted, ever.
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Any position that‘s involves people blatantly bribing those in said position for their own self interest or being granted the position as the result of a favor if it’s done under dubious circumstances isn’t to be trusted.
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A lot of politics right now boils down to: "who's less bad?"
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I'm confused about why the Special Counsel is apparently a bad thing when it means that Trump is being investigated for both the Great Temper Tantrum of January 6th and for the documents he took to Mar-a-Lago. Given the timing, I'm assuming it's to limit Congressional interference since you know the Republicans would use their authority in the House to do that.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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@sgamer82 said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
I'm confused about why the Special Counsel is apparently a bad thing when it means that Trump is being investigated for both the Great Temper Tantrum of January 6th and for the documents he took to Mar-a-Lago. Given the timing, I'm assuming it's to limit Congressional interference since you know the Republicans would use their authority in the House to do that.
because literally everyone KNEW Trump was going to announce he was running again immediately after the midterms to throw "this is political prosecution" card again and now he gets to stall out for another two years, regardless of what is found.
This should have happened two weeks ago. Or if you don't want to mess with the midterms, two months ago.
Because last time we got a special counci... ugh, I have too much to say and its all negative and bitter and lacking in hope that justice will ever be done.
And now Republicans control the House and are going to have a million empty shows hunting for Hillary' emails and Hunter's laptop and thats going to be the thing for the next two years. That's not going to work or do anything, but they're going to do it.
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@Satsuki said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
A lot of politics right now boils down to: "who's less bad?"
I thought it was who can fuck it up worse?
@Robby said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
And now Republicans are going to have a million empty shows hunting for Hillary' emails and Hunter's laptop and thats going to be the thing for the next two years.
You forgot shutting down the government and introducing bullshit legislation that may or may not pass.
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Two Oath Keepers, including founder, convicted of seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 case.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-keepers-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-trial-rcna58415 -
They better damn well have. But only 20 years? How about 50?
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Or how about next republican
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Nothing says Pro Labour Rights, than trying to force workers accept a shit agreement.
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/30/1139876084/congress-house-railroad-strike-billTo be fair an alteration of the deal to make rail workers have a week in sick leave was also approved. But we know it's likely not going anywhere.
