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    • Captain Krupp
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      I was going to make it about 4kids but I decided to just pile on Funimation and 4kids together. I know its meaningless now with Netflix but curiosity just got hold of me.

      The One Piece 4kids dub on Fox had 1.8 on its premiere and that was seen as a failure by the fanbase.

      But it turns out those numbers translate into numbers like…

      WWE Saturday Morning Slam was CW’s most watched Saturday morning program since 3/10/12 (Dragon Ball Z Kai @10:30am / 1,140,000 viewers).

      And keep in mind that the DBZ Kai had less viewers in the demographic.

      Now onto 4kids on Toonami. Now we only have Al Kahn's word but it did pretty well there as one of the top shows.

      I think the cancellation of Funi For Kids Dub was due to the Mooninite incident and the firing of Jim Samples as the head of Cartoon Network.

      I know this is beyond quaint but I want you all to bear with me and participate in this discussion.

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        Wasn't it on tv for like 3 years only? Such a short amount of time.

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          A lot of people would say that it ultimately ruined One Piece's chances of competing with Dragon Ball and Naruto in the West.

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          • Captain Krupp
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            The title is Kids One Piece as in the three year attempt to market One Piece to children by both Funimation and 4kids. I think it was Stuart Snyder's desire to focus on Original Content that drove One Piece out of Toonami.

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            • Onepieceanimefan23
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              Nah 4kids just ruined everything with its crappy dubbing and chop shop editing and slot that it was airing on when Funimation first put it on TV also did it in,

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              • Electrivire
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                I feel like 4kids didn't actually ruin One Piece's chances of succeeding in the US, it was just delayed by well over a decade (seeing how the series' popularity in the US has exploded in the last decade due to the initial spark of both Naruto and Bleach ending leaving a void viewers needed to fill, followed by the perfect storm years after that consisting of Wano's anime adaptation, Netflix starting to stream the show, the pandemic giving people time to start it and catch up, and positive word of mouth from big name youtubers like Totally Not Mark etc.) What 4kids did kill however was the idea that a dub of One Piece will ever be widely successful here. People never got the opportunity to grow up with the Funi cast from a young age so they don't have the nostalgia goggles (or nostalgia ear buds in this case,) to tolerate the Funi cast even though much of the same actors also do Dragon Ball Z/ Kai/ Super which those same people can tolerate just fine or even place above the sub cast for that series.

                Basically because of 4kids we'll never be able to be in a crowded theater full of 100% happy fans ready to watch any future One Piece movie dubs like with the last 3 Dragon Ball ones. Instead we always have to deal with people straight up getting up and walking out of the theater the moment they hear that its dubbed, which I can confirm happened with Gold and Stampede when I went to see them.

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                  I suspect that the 4Kids delay might have lead to a more accurate dub when Funi did take over, though. If Funi had gotten the series first and the timing was similar to 4Kids, it would have premiered just as they were finishing off the Dragon Ball franchise. DB's dub had quite variable accuracy to the original, to the point of replacing all of DBZ and DBGT's music, and was a huge success. There are places where even DB's uncut dub has 4Kids-tier acting and writing and that's what those episodes are stuck with. Had Funi been handed One Piece, would they take the more accurate approach they'd already been leaning towards, or would they have tried to re-capture Dragon Ball's success?

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                    We at least would've gotten more dubbed songs from funi.

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                    • MugiMikey
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                      @LostTimeLord:

                      I suspect that the 4Kids delay might have lead to a more accurate dub when Funi did take over, though. If Funi had gotten the series first and the timing was similar to 4Kids, it would have premiered just as they were finishing off the Dragon Ball franchise. DB's dub had quite variable accuracy to the original, to the point of replacing all of DBZ and DBGT's music, and was a huge success. There are places where even DB's uncut dub has 4Kids-tier acting and writing and that's what those episodes are stuck with. Had Funi been handed One Piece, would they take the more accurate approach they'd already been leaning towards, or would they have tried to re-capture Dragon Ball's success?

                      I agree. Early Funimation tended to take quite a bit of liberties, especially with Dragon Ball. What many don't realize is that the way Funimation treated DBZ was very similar to how 4Kids dubbed many of their properties (replacing music, renaming characters and attacks, editing scripts, caricature voices) but it gets a pass due to nostalgia and because Funimation released episodes uncut. The worst part is we're stuck with it, and the closest they got to doing an accurate dub was Kai, but even then it was far from perfect.

                      Part of the reason I think Funimation's One Piece dub was successful was because they kind of had no other choice than to do it right after One Piece's reputation was extremely low thanks to 4Kids. It came a few years after Funimation found their footing with several widely-praised dubs (like Fullmetal Alchemist), so expectations were high. At the time nobody ever imagined the show getting a new license and a newer, accurate dub. If 4Kids never happened, though, I have no doubt that Funimation would have done pretty much whatever they really wanted with it, just like they did with the Dragon Ball franchise. They still had it in 'em at the time after all, since they treated Shin-Chan and Keroro (and later Dragon Ball Super) similarly.

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                      • RoboBlue
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                        Anecdotally I don't think it was popular at all, at least not initially.

                        I taught Sunday school to 4kids' target audience for the first year it was on and none of them liked One Piece.
                        They watched Yugioh and maybe a little Shaman King.

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                          It stinks 4kids never released actual chopper toys lol. I hope we can get it confirmed one day that they did indeed skip eps quickly to get to chopper.

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                            @Electrivire:

                            I feel like 4kids didn't actually ruin One Piece's chances of succeeding in the US, it was just delayed by well over a decade (seeing how the series' popularity in the US has exploded in the last decade due to the initial spark of both Naruto and Bleach ending leaving a void viewers needed to fill, followed by the perfect storm years after that consisting of Wano's anime adaptation, Netflix starting to stream the show, the pandemic giving people time to start it and catch up, and positive word of mouth from big name youtubers like Totally Not Mark etc.) What 4kids did kill however was the idea that a dub of One Piece will ever be widely successful here. People never got the opportunity to grow up with the Funi cast from a young age so they don't have the nostalgia goggles (or nostalgia ear buds in this case,) to tolerate the Funi cast even though much of the same actors also do Dragon Ball Z/ Kai/ Super which those same people can tolerate just fine or even place above the sub cast for that series.

                            Basically because of 4kids we'll never be able to be in a crowded theater full of 100% happy fans ready to watch any future One Piece movie dubs like with the last 3 Dragon Ball ones. Instead we always have to deal with people straight up getting up and walking out of the theater the moment they hear that its dubbed, which I can confirm happened with Gold and Stampede when I went to see them.

                            Yeah… I know it is childish to hate 4kids. Especially since even Latin America and Brazil have a redub. But this is sad.

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                              https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/toonami-ratings-report-naruto-zatch-bell-and-one-piece-1-with-9-14.4022921/

                              RATINGS FOR TOONAMI ONE PIECE BROADCAST 4KIDS CAN BE FOUND HERE! Awesome!

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