Lynch has been achieved Starla, you are not supposed to talk until the mod declares end of day.
Neighborhood Watch (Name Subject to Change) - A Mafia Game
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Lynch has been achieved Starla, you are not supposed to talk until the mod declares end of day.
Oh no I didn't know this, but I started to write my post before Huschel decided, so it was send at the wrong time. Thanks for the heads up, though I started typing my post before Huschel send his ><
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DAY TWO - END
Eight players are alive, five votes were required to lynch. With five votes, kmohyudin will be lynched.
Give me a little time to write up some things!
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As you had suspected, your second day in the basement of the building on Moonlight Alley was significantly less peaceful than the first. Within minutes of your arrival, the accusations began to fly at a frenetic pace. There were those who claimed having valuables stolen from them, and some who admitted to pocketing said valuables. As you listened, you heard something about missing weapons - maybe Kirby was the least of your worries - and a... lockpick. Then there were the claims of covert inspections. Investigations that revealed the underlying guilt of at least two of the tenants. In retort, the accused pointed their fingers back at their accusers. Surely, they claimed, their examiners must be insane. At one point, amid all the speculations and accusations, your head began to spin. Had Kirby been right? Were there really criminals here? Who could be trusted? Then, the pernicious talk took on a more dreadfully severe tone. Two of the tenants agreed that another one of the tenants, kmohyudin, needed to be... taken care of. To them, something about kmohyudin's claims of having stolen a lockpick from another tenant just didn't sound right. A third tenant, and then a fourth one, began to agree with them. They began to circle kmohyudin, closing in on them with malicious intent. When a fifth tenant then pounced on kmohyudin, their fate was sealed. Something came over everyone in the room at that point. Some kind of collective fury over your incarceration, perhaps. You found yourself joining the fray. For the briefest of instants, as you and the other tenants conducted your gruesome work, you saw kmohyudin's eyes flash with lunacy and hysteria. But then, they lost focus, and their body fell limp to the floor.
Moments later, you hear someone descending the stairs.
"Thought something like this might happen today," says Kirby. "About time, really. Well, go on. Back up to your units, then. I'll take care of this."
He motions you and the other tenants away, then begins to wrap kmohyudin's corpse with a long, linen sheet.
"Guess we can keep them in their bed for now... at least until we finish figuring all of this out."
Glad to be free of the basement, you and the other six tenants run up the stairs. As you return to your apartment, you begin to wonder how you will get any sleep tonight...
Seven players are alive. kmohyudin is dead. They were a **Serial Killer**. **NIGHT TWO - BEGIN** You have 24 hours to PM me if you wish to perform any Night actions. –- Update From New Post Merge --- @starlalilymoon: > **Remove Vote Lynch: Huschel** In the future, instead of the above, all you have to type is: **Unvote** Friendly reminder to everyone that all of the rules and expectations have been added to the first post of this thread. I recommend that everyone takes a quick look, even if you're an experienced player.
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NIGHT TWO - END
You wake with a start to a loud, popping noise. Checking the clock, you see that it is still quite early in the morning. You hold your breath, listening for any other sounds, but hear nothing of note. Despite getting some sleep, you notice that you are still exhausted. You yawn, roll over, and close your eyes again. Must have been a rusty old car that backfired as it drove down the alley… You jump out of bed at the sound of a second loud pop. No way that was a backfiring automobile. That was a gun. You stumble out of your apartment as four of the other tenants come running down the hallway. "Are you alright?" one of them asks, rubbing their eyes. "Isn't this Shuhan's apartment? What's the door doing open?" another inquires. You push the others aside and walk into Shuhan's unit. At first, you don't see anything in the dim early morning light, but as you enter the bedroom you begin to understand. Shuhan is laying in bed, innocently curled up under the covers. As your eyes adjust to the darkness, you notice a wound on Shuhan's back. It looks bad. Like a bullet hole. The sheets are soaked in blood. Shuhan's body doesn't move. You turn around to see the other four tenants with horrified expressions on their faces. And then, Kirby walks in. "Dead too, huh?" he grimaces. "Not the only one, either. I found Huschel on the floor in their unit with a hole in their chest. They had these in their hands." He holds out two cell phones. "I think one of them's encrypted. Burner phone, maybe?" You and the other four tenants eye each other with suspicion. Without another word, you all seem to know what to do. Together, you start heading down to the basement...
DAY THREE - BEGIN
Huschel is dead. They were a member of the Mafia.
Shuhan is dead. They were a member of the Town.
Five players are alive, three votes are required to lynch.
48 hours remain.
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So Huschel AND kmo were both anti-Town? Huh.
I think we can assume Shuhan killed Huschel last night, unless someone offers a contradictory story. That also explains why Huschel hammered so quick, which I was looking forward to following up on.
Might as well reveal this, since I've already said I have an investigative role. I got a Not Guilty result on starlalilymoon last night. However, because I'm a Town FBI Agent, it's possible that I'll only receive a Guilty result on a Serial Killer like kmo. So starla's probably clear but we shouldn't count her out.
Kirby, would you tell us if any items were found on a body?
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Kirby, would you tell us if any items were found on a body?
Unless it's for alignment flavor purposes, no.
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Unless it's for alignment flavor purposes, no.
Naturally. That's the shotgun-toting landlord we know and fear
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Naturally. That's the shotgun-toting landlord we know and fear
Hey! I resemble that remark!
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Alright, what a night! Kmo was a surprise third-party, so I'm glad we were able to lynch him before he caused any trouble.
So Huschel AND kmo were both anti-Town? Huh.
I think we can assume Shuhan killed Huschel last night, unless someone offers a contradictory story. That also explains why Huschel hammered so quick, which I was looking forward to following up on.
Might as well reveal this, since I've already said I have an investigative role. I got a Not Guilty result on starlalilymoon last night. However, because I'm a Town FBI Agent, it's possible that I'll only receive a Guilty result on a Serial Killer like kmo. So starla's probably clear but we shouldn't count her out.
Kirby, would you tell us if any items were found on a body?
That is an interesting role. It would make sense, especially with such a small game to have two separate roles for investigating 'guilt' for third party and mafia. However I did want to check with Kitsune that your role is a Cop and not an FBI Agent.
In terms of who we have left, I think out of the 5 who are left, we have 1 mafia and 4 town. It doesn't make sense to have any more third party or mafia, since that would've meant we only had 4 townies to start out of 8.
With that, I think we have a real opportunity to lynch today, especially if Kitsune's reports were fruitful. Even if we mislynch today and somehow the mafia has a gun, we would still have another day to scum-hunt.
Lastly I will say that I was not broken into and nothing was stolen from me.
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I was not excepting Kmo to be a serial killer, that is quite scary. He could have killed us all if we didn't dealt with him.
So Huschel AND kmo were both anti-Town? Huh.
I was not expecting this. I thought only one of them was guilty, but seems we had a Mafia member and a Serial Killer on our days. I feel like there is probably one more Mafia member that we have to deal with, but not sure.
I think we can assume Shuhan killed Huschel last night, unless someone offers a contradictory story.
Yeah, Shuhan had the gun, but then who killed Shuhan?
Might as well reveal this, since I've already said I have an investigative role. I got a Not Guilty result on starlalilymoon last night. However, because I'm a Town FBI Agent, it's possible that I'll only receive a Guilty result on a Serial Killer like kmo. So starla's probably clear but we shouldn't count her out.
Yes I am part of Town indeed! :happy:
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@Sky:
In terms of who we have left, I think out of the 5 who are left, we have 1 mafia and 4 town. It doesn't make sense to have any more third party or mafia, since that would've meant we only had 4 townies to start out of 8.
Yes, I agree with you on this. I was not excepting a third party, not at all.
With that, I think we have a real opportunity to lynch today, especially if Kitsune's reports were fruitful. Even if we mislynch today and somehow the mafia has a gun, we would still have another day to scum-hunt.
Indeed, can't wait to see what his reports say, so we can figure out who is the last mafia member.
Lastly I will say that I was not broken into and nothing was stolen from me.
Same, so maybe we don't have any more thieves left, but we will see what the others will say.
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RIP Shuhan. At least it looks like he was able to take one of the mafia down with him.
What's slightly worrying to me is that we don't know what Huschel's role was. He was definitely lying about being an Artificer, since his vest would have protected him otherwise, but we don't know if he was a thief or not, so it remains a mystery what happened to Kmo's gun. Unless he never had a gun and could kill with abilities, but given the nature of the set up, I think he really did start with a gun as his item to fulfill his role, and the mafia stole it. If Huschel was the thief, then its possible he and Shuhan shot each other. If he wasn't, though, then we still have a thief to find.
Also, I alluded to this before when I questioned Jabber and KI, but I'm going to fully claim now. I am a Town Role Cop. I can see what someone's role is, but not their alignment. Night 1, I investigated Shuhan and saw that he was indeed a thief, but not whether he was a town or mafia thief. Last night I investigated KI, and saw that they were a cop, with no indication of being insane or anything. Like with Shuhan, there was zero mention of town or mafia, but I find it very unlikely that there would be a maifa cop, even with a serial killer among us, so I'm fairly certain that KI is town.
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@No:
Also, I alluded to this before when I questioned Jabber and KI, but I'm going to fully claim now. I am a Town Role Cop. I can see what someone's role is, but not their alignment. Night 1, I investigated Shuhan and saw that he was indeed a thief, but not whether he was a town or mafia thief. Last night I investigated KI, and saw that they were a cop, with no indication of being insane or anything. Like with Shuhan, there was zero mention of town or mafia, but I find it very unlikely that there would be a maifa cop, even with a serial killer among us, so I'm fairly certain that KI is town.
Color me skeptical. I think we can all agree Kitsune is Town at this point, though the specifics of his role might suggest sanity or insanity once he shows up. Given my result on kmo yesterday, it's also likely that I'm sane too, though perhaps limited in some other way. And I have to say, you implied yesterday that your role implied one of us was insane. I don't see how a Role Cop would do that, and with two investigative roles it feels a bit redundant honestly.
The Town's in a fantastic position currently and seems to have had a strong setup overall. A Role Cop would mean we're loaded with strong abilities and I can't help but notice that you've picked two pretty safe results. Certainly gets me suspicious.
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I'm not sure about Role Cop, it could make sense considering that death hasn't revealed roles, just alignment. But except for the two thieves I'm not sure what the point of it would be.
No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?
Besides that, I'm okay with role reveals at this point, because I think it'll help us scum hunt.
I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.
I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.
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Color me skeptical. I think we can all agree Kitsune is Town at this point, though the specifics of his role might suggest sanity or insanity once he shows up. Given my result on kmo yesterday, it's also likely that I'm sane too, though perhaps limited in some other way. And I have to say, you implied yesterday that your role implied one of us was insane. I don't see how a Role Cop would do that, and with two investigative roles it feels a bit redundant honestly.
I had expressed pervious concerns about you and Kitsune both being mafia and lying to us, along with the possibility of being at mylo if Kmo wasn't mafia and someone other than Huschel died at night. Going by what we knew yesterday before our now exposed mafioso hammered, if you and Kitsune were scum, or one of you was partnered with Star/Sky, all we'd be at mylo right now, and checking if Kisune was insane would have lost us the game.
If Huschel was telling the truth about his role, then Shuhan(?)'s attempt to kill him would have failed, but we wouldn't know if Kitsune was insane or lying. I wanted to confirm for myself, as much as a role cop is able, that at least one of you is town.
The Town's in a fantastic position currently and seems to have had a strong setup overall. A Role Cop would mean we're loaded with strong abilities and I can't help but notice that you've picked two pretty safe results. Certainly gets me suspicious.
If the others agree to it, we can have Star or Sky keep one their role a secret, then I'll investigate them tonight and report on what the results are. If I'm lying, then everyone else could lynch me.
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@Sky:
No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?
At the top of page 7 is what Jabber is referring to right now, since my thinking from back then was that the most likely situation was that one of them was a sane cop, the other was insane/lying, and I'd need to work with the sane one since our powers complemented each other.
I also dropped a hint at the start of the game in flavor text that I had the power to figure out roles:
@No:
Glad to see everyone's been active today, more discussion is always a good thing. And we can figure to work together to improve our shared humble abode! Who does what to fix up our living conditions, and such. Team work makes the dream work, after all.
I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.
I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.
Is there anyone who can back this up in any way? Because I have to admit it is a tad bit suspicious if it's impossible to verify by another person. Except by a role cop, right after the role cop admitted to investigating two completely different people, neither of which were your targets.
Also, I didn't start with or receive any items.
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I don't think there's any way to confirm it. Shuhan admitted to stealing from Jabberwok from the first night almost at day-start, so I didn't get a chance to question him directly.
For the first night, I targeted Jabber because they talked a lot the first day, and I thought that someone would target them for something. The second night I thought that since Jabber seemed like a confirmed cop, that they would be a target for the mafia.
What is interesting about the role is that I can target someone who is alive or not, so I think it's likely that other roles can target the dead, including the thieves.
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@No:
If Huschel was telling the truth about his role, then Shuhan(?)'s attempt to kill him would have failed, but we wouldn't know if Kitsune was insane or lying. I wanted to confirm for myself, as much as a role cop is able, that at least one of you is town.
Well, yeah I think Huschel was lying about his role because in fact he said the thing about the vest, but he's dead now. Maybe he was a thief and was the one who stole kmo's gun.
If the others agree to it, we can have Star or Sky keep one their role a secret, then I'll investigate them tonight and report on what the results are. If I'm lying, then everyone else could lynch me.
Well, I kinda want to reveal my role as I have some important information to share…. but let's see what the others want to do about it. It seems Sky already revealed theirs, so yeah >.<
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Well, I kinda want to reveal my role as I have some important information to share…. but let's see what the others want to do about it. It seems Sky already revealed theirs, so yeah >.<
The reason I say this is because it concerns a theory I have of what happened to Huschel and Shuhan, and who killed who.
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So everyone's apparently got a role. Interesting. I'm going to assume that both Huschel and the second mafia have powers beyond their standard Night Kill, and it's very possible that one of those roles doesn't involve stealing.
Also, mafia's definitely got whatever item was stolen from kmohyudin, and I highly doubt it was a One-Shot Gun. Whether it was on Huschel or in the hands of the second is unknown. Perhaps starla has some insight on this?
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I'm going to assume that both Huschel and the second mafia have powers beyond their standard Night Kill, and it's very possible that one of those roles doesn't involve stealing.
That sounds scary.
Also, mafia's definitely got whatever item was stolen from kmohyudin, and I highly doubt it was a One-Shot Gun. Whether it was on Huschel or in the hands of the second is unknown. Perhaps starla has some insight on this?
I do have some insight. So my role is Coroner, and my ability is where I can check the bodies of the dead and get information and items. Kmo was indeed a thief, but not any one thief, a master thief. And… the items were a ski mask and two lockpicks. So, I assume he did have a gun but it got stolen by Huschel? I think this as Kmo was telling the truth about the lockpicks, and I doubt he had two. So, seems like he was telling the truth and stole it from Huschel, so that means Huschel was a thief as well and stole Kmo's gun?
I think he then used it to kill Shuhan, and Shuhan tried to kill him. Though I didn't get any information about the lockpicks or what it is for, but it seems to be a thing used for thieves to break into places from my understanding. So my only bet is to examine Huschel's body to see if he has kmo's gun to prove my theory, but I don't know if it be a good idea to wait another day, and lose another one of us to the mafia. What do y'all think of my theory?
Sorry No Swords, I had to reveal it, as this is very important stuff that might help us determine who the last mafia is.
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Aah, perhaps the ski mask prevented me from seeing kmo visit anyone. Or rather, if I'd targeted someone who kmo stole from, I would've only gotten the knowledge that *someone had visited that person, rather than kmo himself.
To be completely honest, star's information seems to match pretty well to how the set up has been revealed so far, and makes sense when we have abilities to target the dead for things as well.
I feel as though the two cop type claims have come through well, so I think it makes sense that No swords and myself are the top candidates for the last mafia. Obviously, I know that I'm town-aligned so my bet is No swords. I think it'll ultimately be up to the town to decide, but I think that with our current numbers, even if we vote out a townie, and somehow the last mafia kills during the night, we still have another day to vote them out.
So I'm pretty confident leaving this here for now. I'll hope that Kitsune's report has something fruitful, but I think we also may be able to simply scum hunt as well.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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Sky is Not Guilty.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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Just in case we want to sus the rest of this out.
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How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!
Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.
However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer… Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.
Kitsune's result on Sky and her roleclaim both seem good to me. With items still out there it's hard to be 100% sure but she seems the likeliest to be Town out of the three of you.
Kitsune's obviously Town at this point. Seems to me like the best course of action is to lynch No swords today and starla tomorrow if the game's still going. I'm definitely open to discussion though.
Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?
Sky is Not Guilty.
Kits, would you mind confirming your role title?
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I'm not sure who to lynch to be honest. I feel like I need more information, but I don't know what else to ask. Though I do agree that Sky is mostly likely town due to Kitsune's report.
How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!
Wait there was a second one? 0.0
Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.
Hmmm, I see. Though I want to see what else he has to say.
However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer… Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.
What can I do to prove that I'm town? What would you like to know?
Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?
I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.
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How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!
Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.
However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer… Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.
Kitsune's result on Sky and her roleclaim both seem good to me. With items still out there it's hard to be 100% sure but she seems the likeliest to be Town out of the three of you.
Kitsune's obviously Town at this point. Seems to me like the best course of action is to lynch No swords today and starla tomorrow if the game's still going. I'm definitely open to discussion though.
Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?
Kits, would you mind confirming your role title?
My title is just Town Cop and I still have my item which is a one-shot roleblock taser.
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Wait there was a second one? 0.0
The second one's already in production so I'm just trying to stay ahead of the game
What can I do to prove that I'm town? What would you like to know?
I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.
Still pretty confused about the lockpicks- Shuhan never mentioned having them but he was still able to steal from me no problem. You've got the items now but don't have any description for them? How would you even know how to use them then?
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Considering what we know about the setup and the reveals, I am inclined to believe starla's claim. We don't know anything about individuals who die beyond their alignment, and Starla's role offers insight into that. I feel like unless she's being coached (which is unlikely given we had no kill information before last night and the only information we had, that kmo was a serial killer, is pretty self-explanatory), her claim fits neatly with the game's quirk of deaths revealing no information.
@starla, what action did you perform on the first night?
Sky isn't really suspicious to me, but there is still possibility of a Godfather, which would balance out the fact that we have so many powerful, seemingly normal investigation roles.
No swords is the most suspicious to me by virtue of being the only person in the game who isn't cleared by an investigative role. But also the role cop claim is a little dubious. Then again so is a Watcher. There are so many roles with reports going around.
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The second one's already in production so I'm just trying to stay ahead of the game
I have the first one on DVD, and I still need to see it! x3
Still pretty confused about the lockpicks- Shuhan never mentioned having them but he was still able to steal from me no problem. You've got the items now but don't have any description for them? How would you even know how to use them then?
I never got a description on the ski mask or lock picks, I was just told that kmo had these items. I was just theorizing on what the lockpicks could be used for, though looking again at the description for kmo Master Thief role, it seems they were not needed to steal.
@starla, what action did you perform on the first night?
I didn't do any because there was no one dead. I could only inspect a person that died to see their role/role description and what items they had on them.
Sky isn't really suspicious to me, but there is still possibility of a Godfather, which would balance out the fact that we have so many powerful, seemingly normal investigation roles.
What's the difference between a Godfather and a regular mafia member? (I'm still new to the game, so trying to understand how different roles work.)
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I never got a description on the ski mask or lock picks, I was just told that kmo had these items. I was just theorizing on what the lockpicks could be used for, though looking again at the description for kmo Master Thief role, it seems they were not needed to steal.
I'm a bit confused. What you said in these two posts
@starlalilymoon:I do have some insight. So my role is Coroner, and my ability is where I can check the bodies of the dead and get information and items. Kmo was indeed a thief, but not any one thief, a master thief. And… the items were a ski mask and two lockpicks. So, I assume he did have a gun but it got stolen by Huschel? I think this as Kmo was telling the truth about the lockpicks, and I doubt he had two. So, seems like he was telling the truth and stole it from Huschel, so that means Huschel was a thief as well and stole Kmo's gun?
I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.
seems to say you have these items now. Do you have them, or did you just receive a list of items that were on the body?
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I'm a bit confused. What you said in these two posts
seems to say you have these items now. Do you have them, or did you just receive a list of items that were on the body?
Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<
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So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^
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Sky is Not Guilty.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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Unvote
Just in case we want to sus the rest of this out.
Okay. I'm glad I was cleared. I'm still down to vote out No swords today and if not them, then star?
Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<
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So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^
Okay, so your role allows you to visit the dead, take every item they had, and learn their role? That has the potential to be pretty powerful, so I'm not quite convinced, but the way you've presented the info so far has me leaning towards you being town.
So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.However, I'm still leaning towards lynching today, since we're in a good position.
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Even without investigating her, I believe that Star is telling the truth about her role, if not her alinement. It seems way too intricate and detailed to be making up out of nowhere, especially for a new player.
Sorry No Swords, I had to reveal it, as this is very important stuff that might help us determine who the last mafia is.
No problem, being more honest now will help with scum hunting. It may have been a little selfish of me to bring up keeping roles a secret just so I could have a chance to prove I'm telling the truth.
Also, this might be a crazy idea, but hear me out:
After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.
So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?
Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.
And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.
Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.
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DAY THREE - UPDATE
Five players are alive, three votes are required to lynch.
No swords style best style (1 vote): Sky
24 hours remain.
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@Sky:
So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.This is an interesting thought but there's too many things that could go wrong. The remaining mafia could avoid killing someone tonight in order to frame one of the visitors, or it could turn into a game of your word against someone else's. And if it doesn't prevent a kill, we've wasted one of our shots at lynching
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Quick question, only mafia members know that other mafia members are mafia is that correct?
@Sky:
Okay, so your role allows you to visit the dead, take every item they had, and learn their role? That has the potential to be pretty powerful, so I'm not quite convinced, but the way you've presented the info so far has me leaning towards you being town.
Actually, I made a mistake. I can only visit the dead and check their role, role description, and what items they had. I can't keep the items, I'm sorry for being confusing, I was confused too about the description, but it's cleared up now! ><
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@No:
After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.
So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?
Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.
And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.
Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.
The likely uselessness of my role is something I'm painfully aware of. Part of my wishes Shuhan hadn't stolen my gun so I'd have something useful to do at night, but he already put it to very good use and it's not like I could do any better.
I'm trying to think of a proper defense against your theory and I can't find anything airtight. A Mafia would be happy to find a Serial Killer and use it as a deflection away from their scumbuddy. And no one's night actions have totally probably bed my innocence.
However, I believe I've done my best to act in the Town's interest based on my own knowledge. Kitsune's comparable role allowed him to trust me when I verified some details from my role message. And the idea that the mafia has to rely on lethal weaponry to make their night kills seems extremely unlikely to me. The mafia needs to make a number of night kills to aid in their victory and locking those onto items, particularly limited ones, seems like an odd removal of their signature ability. Everyone knows for a fact that I had a One-Shot Gun, which would either be redundant or help prove my innocence.
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@Sky:
So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.Thinking through this, you should almost certainly target Kitsune tonight with your ability as it's the closest thing to protection we have. He's a confirmed Townie with a powerful ability, so either you see who kills him or he's unharmed and can investigate again.
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Quick question, only mafia members know that other mafia members are mafia is that correct?
Typically, mafia members learn each other's identity on Night 1 when they meet up to chat about who to kill. We'll get to see both their interactions and the reactions from the graveyard when the links are shared after the game.
Actually, I made a mistake. I can only visit the dead and check their role, role description, and what items they had. I can't keep the items, I'm sorry for being confusing, I was confused too about the description, but it's cleared up now! ><
Thank you for clarifying this! Getting the items would've been far too similar to the Thief role to make sense, since they can already steal from both alive and dead people. I'm a lot less suspicious now!
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Looking at past posts, here's my analysis:
1. I am very sure Kitsune is Town because he has guilty reports on Mafia members – AKA Huschel was Mafia. I also think his reports only really work on people who are aligned with Mafia.
2. With that in mind, since Kitsune had a not guilty report on Sky, that means she is town very likely. These two are cleared in my book.
3. With regards to me, I'm very sure I'm proven I'm town by this point. I'm always open to more questions to prove my position.
4. With Jabber, Shuhan stole his gun. If Shuhan thought he was mafia, he would have shot him? And Jabber's ability has been proven to work with guilty reports, but only on non-mafia members? But I'm not sure. I'm 70% sure Jabber is Town, which the way he is talking, and this situation with Shuhan. Just seeing their two interactions in previous posts makes me feel like Jabber is likely town, but I'm still a bit iffy.
5. This leaves No Swords. There is no evidence backing up their claim, but I'm not sure if they are Mafia or not. I'm 50/50 on him currently.
I feel like we should lynch someone tonight, just in case, because the final mafia member (assuming there is two?) might go after Kitsune or possibly me. I'm not sure though, what does everyone think?
Also, Kitsune mentioned something about a godfather. How is a godfather different from a regular mafia member? curious
Typically, mafia members learn each other's identity on Night 1 when they meet up to chat about who to kill. We'll get to see both their interactions and the reactions from the graveyard when the links are shared after the game.
Oooo, that's epic! Thank you! :happy:
Thank you for clarifying this! Getting the items would've been far too similar to the Thief role to make sense, since they can already steal from both alive and dead people. I'm a lot less suspicious now!
You're welcome! I'm sorry for being confusing, I'm still learning the game, but I'm getting there XD
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Actually, I made a mistake. I can only visit the dead and check their role, role description, and what items they had. I can't keep the items, I'm sorry for being confusing, I was confused too about the description, but it's cleared up now! ><
Okay, that makes more sense.
@No:
Even without investigating her, I believe that Star is telling the truth about her role, if not her alinement. It seems way too intricate and detailed to be making up out of nowhere, especially for a new player.
No problem, being more honest now will help with scum hunting. It may have been a little selfish of me to bring up keeping roles a secret just so I could have a chance to prove I'm telling the truth.
Also, this might be a crazy idea, but hear me out:
After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.
So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?
Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.
And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.
Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.
This is an interesting point, and seems to have a lot of forethought on Jabber's part. It could be possible, but I'd also like to look at their posts that day for a feel. Plus, the later part of your argument could be applied to you as well, considering that you're claiming a role cop.
Thinking through this, you should almost certainly target Kitsune tonight with your ability as it's the closest thing to protection we have. He's a confirmed Townie with a powerful ability, so either you see who kills him or he's unharmed and can investigate again.
That makes sense too, and if we don't lynch the last mafia today, Kitsune can use his power on No Swords to determine guilt.
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Actually, no. That theory doesn't make sense. There's no reason that Jabber would chose to investigate night 1 instead of killing with the gun he had. A night 1 kill is almost guaranteed if the mafia has the ability, and there's no reason mafia shouldn't kill that first night over investigating a role, especially if Huschel stole kmo's gun that night.
With that, and everything we've said so far, I think we should lynch No swords, there's almost no doubt in my mind that they're the last mafia.
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@No:
After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.
This is why I'm hesitant to fully 100% clear Jab. He billed himself as a cop, then got a serial killer, then claimed FBI Agent after the fact. I'm starting to wonder if Jabs is mafia, who followed up with a fake claim on Kmohyudin to "clear" himself as an Insane cop, only to swerve when he learned about kmohyudin being a serial killer. I feel like Jabs's story has been fairly reactive and seems to change subtly to suit the circumstances.
That doesn't discredit the specifics of our role PMs and him starting the game with a gun though, which makes sense for an FBI Agent whose goal in the game is to, well, take down a serial killer. A gun is useful in pursuing that goal.
My only question for you, Jabs, is why not reveal the existence of a third party earlier? We may have already gone over this but I believe it would have been useful information, unless you've cleverly breadcrumbed it somewhere.
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This is why I'm hesitant to fully 100% clear Jab. He billed himself as a cop, then got a serial killer, then claimed FBI Agent after the fact. I'm starting to wonder if Jabs is mafia, who followed up with a fake claim on Kmohyudin to "clear" himself as an Insane cop, only to swerve when he learned about kmohyudin being a serial killer. I feel like Jabs's story has been fairly reactive and seems to change subtly to suit the circumstances.
That doesn't discredit the specifics of our role PMs and him starting the game with a gun though, which makes sense for an FBI Agent whose goal in the game is to, well, take down a serial killer. A gun is useful in pursuing that goal.
I don't think this holds up to scrutiny. My very first post of the day was one coming hot at kmo because my suspicions of him were never random. You might also notice that I never called myself a Cop; I said I had an investigative ability that yielded a Guilty result. And if I'm a Mafia Rolecop that found a Serial Killer like No swords suggests, why wouldn't I have claimed earlier for a proper alibi? I don't think there's a significant difference between claiming at the end of D2 vs beginning of D3, as either way a fake claim would run the risk of conflicting with an actual FBI Agent.
My only question for you, Jabs, is why not reveal the existence of a third party earlier? We may have already gone over this but I believe it would have been useful information, unless you've cleverly breadcrumbed it somewhere.
If I'm being honest here, I forgot that FBI Agent was an official role that implied the existence of a Serial Killer and not just a reflavored Cop. Kirby refused to answer what a Guilty result would mean so I didn't even consider the possibility of a third party until late D2. I'm starting to think I'm less Spencer Reid and more Charles Boyle.
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As for breadcrumbing, nope, didn't really do that and probably should have. The closest I've got is this:
Beyond that, I don't have too much to offer sooo… where's everyone from? I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Not as much blue sky as one might expect given our infamously rainy weather, but beautiful green towns everywhere full of trees and flowers. Nice place, a lot better than this basement.
From when I hadn't read the front page fully and was a bit confused by why my alignment was green instead of the traditional blue. Kirby's recommendation to go back and read the rules properly cleared that up for me. I'm not from the Pacific Northwest at all! Southern California born and raised.
Anyways, I'm pretty confident No swords is the remaining mafia and he's doing his best to throw suspicion on me. Don't blame anyone if you all decide to lynch me since my role apparently doesn't offer much value to the Town anymore, but I'd really hate to see us fumble this game after such a strong start.
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I'm totally on-board for a No swords lynch today, especially after Jabber explained himself a bit. I've voted already.
To be honest, if it's not No swords, it would be star. I have no doubts that the Coroner role they described was honest, especially with the detail given. At this point, its unlikely, but I think that there could've been a theif/coroner mafia team.
I say that we lynch No swords today, then if we don't end the game, Kitsune investigates star, I watch Kitsune, and we have a relatively conclusive day 4.
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@Sky:
I say that we lynch No swords today, then if we don't end the game, Kitsune investigates star, I watch Kitsune, and we have a relatively conclusive day 4.
I'm fine with this, anything to prove my innocence! :happy:
If the game does not end with No Swords, I'm sure Jabber would be the ticket for the town to win, as Kitsune's investigation will clear me of any wrongdoing.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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By the way, if the game still continues for Day 4, whose dead body I should check?
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@Sky:
I say that we lynch No swords today, then if we don't end the game, Kitsune investigates star, I watch Kitsune, and we have a relatively conclusive day 4.
Frankly, I'd prefer if we didn't prescribe Kitsune's investigation. On the offchance something goes wrong, the uncertainty between investigating starla and me might be crucial.
Kitsune, you're welcome to investigate me if you want. Nothing to hide here.
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By the way, if the game still continues for Day 4, whose dead body I should check?
Not No swords, if he's innocent then we should trust that he has no items. Huschel seems like the best choice to me.
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Not No swords, if he's innocent then we should trust that he has no items. Huschel seems like the best choice to me.
I was thinking him too honestly. As I'm sure he lied about the whole vest thing x3
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Right, looks like not much conversation is going on and I can't guarantee I'll be around close to Day end. Might as well try this now.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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I'm awake, I'm awake!
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DAY THREE - END
Five players are alive, three votes were required to lynch. With three votes, No swords style best style will be lynched.
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The deaths of the night prior seemed to provide a sense of focus and urgency to your discussions on your third day in the basement. In short order, you and the other tenants seemed to settle on a plan moving forward. If any criminals remained among you, then they should easily be distinguished in time by singling out the most suspicious individuals. You shared what information you had gathered, and collectively decided on the next tenant to be ousted: No swords style best style. Deflated and defeated, No swords went silent as you and the other three tenants circled them. There was no point in struggling, now... the end would be coming soon. When you were done, you took a moment to turn out the pockets on No swords' corpse. In them you found two cell phones, one of which stubbornly avoided unlocking.
"So he was the other one, eh?" Kirby says as he walks into the dimly lit room. "Good work, you four. I had a feeling after the first night that this was how things would turn out."
The landlord lets out a low chuckle as his grin widens.
"Well, you've earned your first month, alright. Beats hiring a background and credit checking company, doesn't it? Cheap, efficient. And now I've got some more spare units to lease out."
He laughs, then starts to wrap up No swords' body.
"Of course, you're free to go now, if you like. Front door's unlocked. But if you want to stay another month, you're more than welcome. Rent's free - all I ask is that you do me a favor..."
Four players are alive. No swords style best style is dead. They were a member of the **Mafia**. With no other threatening factions remaining, the **Town** wins! Congratulations! Well played, everyone. I hope that you had some fun! It was fun for me to set everything up, and I learned a whole lot about Mafia game design. I'll probably put another game together in the near future if there's enough interest, something a little less confusing than this one. Regarding the items without active abilities or detailed descriptions - those were in the game so that when the thieves targeted a player that didn't have anything particularly valuable, they'd still get some kind of flavor regarding their target's role. The Cop and the FBI Agent had badges, for example. Binoculars on the watcher, a microscope on the coroner, that sort of thing. The thieves were differentiated slightly so I'd know in which order to apply their steals, should they target the same player on a given night. Master thief would steal first, then the ninja thief, and lastly the normal thief. Valuable items would be taken first, like the guns or the taser, and if those were gone, then the thieves would get one of the flavor items at random, instead. I really didn't expect both Kitsune and Jabberwok to target the one player each of them would find guilty on the first night. Made things quickly swing in favor of the town… especially since the only way either the serial killer or mafia could perform night kills was if they got their hands on either of the guns. I think that some of you regulars must be getting pretty good at reading each other by now. Anyway, thanks for playing, it was a lot of fun watching you all figure everything out. If you have any criticism/comments/suggestions for me, then please let me know! --- Update From New Post Merge --- Oh yeah, here are the links to the [Mafia's private chat](https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/y2LtWcVaFEWE) and the [Graveyard chat](https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/FjAJycaKMCp), if you're interested in seeing the schemes that went on behind the scenes.
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Good Game town!!
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Hooray Town! A near-flawless victory!
So there actually was a Godfather and it was No swords?! I thought he might be being half-honest about being a Mafia Role Cop, but I was so incredibly worried that Sky was a Godfather and tricking us all. Good work everyone!
There's a lot of interlocking business going on here so it's kind of difficult to determine how balanced the game was. The mafia had dual powers and could communicate during the day but couldn't initially kill. The Town had a lot of powers too! I think it might have helped it our role items (badge, lockpick, etc.) were briefly mentioned in our role assignments so we had a brief idea of what they might mean, since it was a sticking point that may have unfairly thrown suspicion on poor unfortunate kmo.
Seems like things went nearly perfectly for the Town, but the Mafia also executed some of the exact moves they needed to to be effective. Hope everyone else had as much fun as I did!
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poor unfortunate kmo
Well, in hindsight, I knew there was a Mafia thief, and I got a lockpick from Huschel. It was my own fault that I didn't connect the dots, lol. But, yeah, if I knew there were flavor items in the game that would have helped!
I too had a lot of fun while it lasted. I rarely get to play anti Town roles, so that was awesome!
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I think it might have helped it our role items (badge, lockpick, etc.) were briefly mentioned in our role assignments so we had a brief idea of what they might mean, since it was a sticking point that may have unfairly thrown suspicion on poor unfortunate kmo.
That's a good idea, I'll be sure to keep that in mind for future planning of roles like the thief. Thanks!
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Yay! To be clear my doubts toward Jabberwok were like very very minor.
Glad we won and I didn't botch anything!
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Yay! To be clear my doubts toward Jabberwok were like very very minor.
Glad we won and I didn't botch anything!
You botched me winning. :ninja: