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    Chapter 991: Let Us Die!!!

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    • black-leg jex
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      Also Haki =/= strength

      They made a point to say that without the kind of Haki Luffy was training for in Udon you wouldn't be able to get through Kaido's scales.

      And the 9 scabbards all have that kind of Haki, it seems to be one that all Wano Samurai train to master (and from the way's it's described it's actually easier to pull off if you have a weapon).

      So even if Luffy Gear 4 is stronger than the Samurai he couldn't bypass Kaido's defense because his Haki wasn't good enough so it didn't matter. But the Samurai can.

      Edit: I imagine it's also going to be the same for Big Mom as well and her ridiculous defense.

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        @black-leg:

        Also Haki =/= strength

        They made a point to say that without the kind of Haki Luffy was training for in Udon you wouldn't be able to get through Kaido's scales.

        And the 9 scabbards all have that kind of Haki, it seems to be one that all Wano Samurai train to master (and from the way's it's described it's actually easier to pull off if you have a weapon).

        So even if Luffy Gear 4 is stronger than the Samurai he couldn't bypass Kaido's defense because his Haki wasn't good enough so it didn't matter. But the Samurai can.

        Edit: I imagine it's also going to be the same for Big Mom as well and her ridiculous defense.

        This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

        Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

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          Dad and girls finally reunited. That's nice.

          I can understand questioning Drake flip flopping. It screwed Kidd not to long ago to trust the wrong person. But it seems they are about to fight Queen and Drake. I was wondering about Sanji fighting Apoo since fighting with legs makes fighting with hands on your ears easier. Jimbei has no leg to stand on with the honor thing since he basically did the same to big mom just last arc.

          That bit with Usopp hiding behind Nami to taunt Ulti was funny.

          It's interesting to see Kaido caring for his subordinate. He didnt seem the type. I mean he just watched as they were getting their ass handed to them.Jack need to learn how to Zoan properly. He keeps getting defeated in his animal form instead of using hybrid. Also the sulong form are meh. I especially dont like Neko's.

          The scabbards continue to be doing good and I'm still rooting for them. I hope Kaido knows how to Zoan properly and turn hybrid.

          Jinbe stood in front of Big Mom herself and Returned the saki cup he used to toast to their alliance. Sure it’s a betrayal, but He did it with honor and dignity, which Is why he doesn’t trust Drake. Dude literally jumped from a window and said “I wanna be on your team now” like this was elementary school dodgeball. They have no reason to trust him, despite us the reader knowing he’s a good guy.

          Also I think Ulti and Page One vs Nami and Usopp is brilliant. I hope Oda doesn’t keep Zoro playing with Appoo and Drake for too long. He better end up on that roof Along with Kid and Law somehow.

          I feel like Sanji will get stuck fighting King again To open up the skies for Luffy and maybe Jinbe has to step in to fight Queen. While I’m betting Book steps in to fight Appoo thus kicking Zoros ass out of there.

          Thus making way for the inevitable Drake vs Who’s who showdown but for some reason I don’t think Hawkins will be sticking around for that. Call me crazy but I suspect Hawkins could’ve been directly responsible for Killer’s condition with the smile fruit especially since it seems he’s in cahoots with Queen whose obviously the science guy of the Beast pirates. Hawkins probably helped ambush Killer or set up his torture meal for Queen.

          Robin fighting Black Maria seems more like when than if thing atm.

          The Big Mom + Crew and Sasaki stuff seems like the biggest mystery , but I can’t shake the feeling that Chopper , Carrot and good old reliable Marco will be the ones to take care of that mess. Marco handles the big fish Linlin, Chopper either helps out because of the Ohlin vibes or he takes on Sasaki but he might have a different role to play here. I assume the main goal of this fight is to set up Carrot vs Pero And wraps up Whole Cake, but again call me crazy.

          "The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"

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            @Joy:

            This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

            Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

            Well samurai represent Japan while Kaido is kind of mongol inspired… :ninja:

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              @Joy:

              This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

              Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

              Emperors are crazy strong, but they're not invulnerable, they are not gods, wtf?

              Did you cry this much when people were wounding WhiteBeard in Marineford?

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                This has nothing to do with the immediate chapter but anyone disappointed we haven’t gotten more sumo fighters yet as an upper officer of kaidos crew? Maybe not even just sumo but more Japanese fighting styles. Would be cool to see more than just swords. I like the ninja’s too btw. Karate would be dope but I’m ok without it seeing as we have Jinbei. But no high level sumo ppl

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                  I could see Obelix using some sumo moves.

                  But he seems more inclined toward guns atm

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                    Jinbe stood in front of Big Mom herself and Returned the saki cup he used to toast to their alliance. Sure it’s a betrayal, but He did it with honor and dignity, which Is why he doesn’t trust Drake. Dude literally jumped from a window and said “I wanna be on your team now” like this was elementary school dodgeball. They have no reason to trust him, despite us the reader knowing he’s a good guy.

                    He convinced Luffy to help a traitrous crewmate assasinated her by using her emotional distress during her most joyful moments. So I disagree strongly with JImbei giving lesson about the honor pirates need to have. But its not an important part of the chapter so no need to turn it into a big discussion..

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                      Doesn't make too much sense that Kinemon never thought before to use his Fox Fire on Kaido. Especially not after Punk Hazard and since it was expected by many readers. Sure, he's not the brightest but come on… "Finally I can show true power of Foxfire Style" would've been badass.

                      This is just a misunderstanding.

                      Kinnemon was not saying that it never occured to him to cut Kaido's flames. What never occurred to him was the idea of running away and hiding, answering what Kaido had just claimed the page before.

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                        @Joy:

                        This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

                        Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

                        We know for a fact that kaido has been defeated or captured numerous times, So it’s not the dude is completely undefeatable.
                        Next is your scaling of kinemon. Apart from law who has arguably a hax df power. Who else did we see that kinemon couldn’t defeat or even fight? We also know that 10 ppl went up against kaido’s previous army and almost won. 8 of those ppl were up against kaidos army are now facing kaido and kinemon was one of them. I’m not gonna day kinemon is some super strong samurai but it’s clear your estimation of how strong he is was misplaced.
                        Not only that, we’ve seen ashura doji, cat, dog, fish and denjiro display some actual combat prowess and then we know one is a white beard commander. We know they’re strong but bc kinemon didn’t do much or have the chances to do much you assumed he sucked.

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                        I thought about him too. He’d fit the mold perfectly. But poison and weaponry seem to be his thing.

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                          Where is Wanda?

                          Also if that shadow following Jimbe and Robin was Tama in a ninja suit, that would be funny.

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                            Anyone who thinks Kinnemon is weak should reread his introduction in Punk Hazard. He just never had a proper fight, but Zoro reckons his strength. He’s of course bellow Zoro, but has techniques even Zoro wanted to learn. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zoro shows later to have larned a thing or two about cutting fire.

                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                              Why would ryuo be the norm in Wano?

                              I must've missed something

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                                @Joy:

                                Oda wants to wank the samurai and he doesn’t know what he is doing. He just makes Kaido look even worse than he did

                                Where is Doflamingo really. He was levels above Kaido as a threat. Seriously

                                Pretty sure the only reason now Oda avoids having Luffy and Zoro confront Kaido is because they would easily beat him. He is a lame scrub.

                                @mrsword:

                                Did you cry this much when people were wounding WhiteBeard in Marineford?

                                I'm gonna go ahead and repost what Robby said here, because the constant bashing of the story and each other has to stop:

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                                From here on out the spoiler thread is taking a stronger stance about people who do nothing but complain about the series.

                                Everyone is allowed their opinion, but rampant continuous negativity with no actual discourse over multiple weeks, to the point multiple members express their frustration or publicly point out they've added people to their ignore list for the first time ever, is something that's being looked at and more actively moderated.

                                If it seems to reach the point you are actively trolling rather than being genuinely affected by a given chapter or providing actual criticism, you get tossed out. So spending months where your only response to basically anything is "Lol, Big Mom sucks" "Kaidou is weak", "Oda is a trash author" is not recommended.

                                Something like "I was hoping for a better showing from X, but man Y is being awesome so it balances out" or "I wish it would hurry along this fighting" or "I wish it would slow down and show more fighting" is more constructive and actual discussion, and is okay.

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                                  @Joy:

                                  This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

                                  Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

                                  This isn't wrong at all. Ryo isn't the norm in Wano, it's the end goal for Samurai training their haki. Yes there are a bunch of Samurai who have mastered it but just because you have Ryo doesn't mean anything if you can't hit Kaido with it. You have to be strong and a skilled fighter as well, which Oden was.

                                  You also have to consider that the two time's we've actually seen the Akazaya 9 hurt Kaido he was caught off guard. One was an ambush and the other is now when Kaido wasn't expecting Kinemon to cut his fire breath.

                                  Also you've acted like they've defeated Kaido when all they did was stab him a little and given him a tiny scratch on his lip. That is nothing like Oden's deep scars and nothing compared to the 100+ sword wounds Whitebeard took.

                                  Also also, as others pointed out, the Marines have captured Kaido numerous times and Big Mom clearly feels she is on his level and fought him 1-on-1. Your acting like no one has ever hurt Kaido in his entire life other than Oden, which is just not true. Oden gave him a scar but Akainu did the same thing to Luffy, and Akainu isn't the only character in the series to ever hurt Luffy.

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                                    I could see Obelix using some sumo moves.

                                    But he seems more inclined toward guns atm

                                    Queen is such a wildcard, I wonder if Oda loads him with various powers just to throw us off when it comes to matchups?

                                    Like, at this point he did some hand to hand combat against Luffy (pointing towards Sanji or Jinbe), then he sliced up Drake with his sabres (matching Zoro or Law), now he uses firearms (= Franky / Kidd), AND then there is still his ancient Zoan with the potential to throw all of the aforementioned out of the window.

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                                      Honestly I think Queen is a good match for Chopper lol. I would assume he's using the same poison bullets he used in Udon but Chopper has a cure for them. It might be interesting to see a battle where Chopper is running around trying to cure everyone Queen hits with his poison and Carrot is protecting him from the beast pirates or someone like Who's Who. At least until Jinbei or Luffy can reach Queen to stop him in person.

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                                        minks and samurai are just preliminaries to weaken Kaido (and the beast). It will be Kaido versus the supernovas (luffy, zoro, law, kidd, killer, drake and hawkins excluding apoo) and it will be happening in the 1000th chapter.

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                                          The fact that this chapter still stayed very good for me despite Jack's fight being mostly off-paneled says a lot.
                                          I'll start with my complaint. I actually will criticize Oda if he deserves it, and I think hardly anyone is in favor of him offscreening the Jack fight. I could defend all of his previous offscreens. This one I can't, because the purpose of an offscreen to me so far has always been 1. to move on quickly because what you offscreened wasn't that important or 2. to hide something. He offscreened something that was the climax of a plot thread and would've had great action. In an ideal Wano, he would've rearranged some things, or minimized a few pages so that we could have at least 5 pages of Jack vs the Minks. That's the absolute minimum I would've had, but I probably would've done a full chapter in his shoes.

                                          If that was all there was in the chapter, it would be left with a very bad score. Buuuut a lot of awesomeness in this chapter boosts the score back up for me, particularly Kin'emon's fire-cutting ability paying off massively in an amazing double spread. 300+ chapters of foreshadowing for that to be used in an important way, damn. / The Nami and Usopp moment was of course super cute, and it's a fun matchup if it actually goes through and would test them a lot. / Love that Apoo confirmed that the Numbers going down so quick (for now) was because they were drunk. / Kaido kind of saves the Jack being offscreened for me, as it was unexpected for him to be so fatherly and compassionate towards him. Very good character moment for Kaido, reduces his mustache-twirling-ness if he had some of that. Always good to add dimensions to villains, and Kaido's easily one of my favorite villains of the series. / Sulong Neko and Inu look fantastic. / Some of you called it earlier, but this chapter confirms at least some of the Scabbards are dying to me. It could really be all of them.

                                          Croc or Enel would never.

                                          Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.

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                                            @Joy:

                                            If it is so easy to hurt him… how the heck did he survive those executions ? How did he become the strongest in the world ?

                                            Stop reading so much into a fucking Oda box hyping up a character. Jesus you power levels fanfatics in this fandom are annoying.

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                                              We know for a fact that kaido has been defeated or captured numerous times, So it’s not the dude is completely undefeatable.
                                              Next is your scaling of kinemon. Apart from law who has arguably a hax df power. Who else did we see that kinemon couldn’t defeat or even fight? We also know that 10 ppl went up against kaido’s previous army and almost won. 8 of those ppl were up against kaidos army are now facing kaido and kinemon was one of them. I’m not gonna day kinemon is some super strong samurai but it’s clear your estimation of how strong he is was misplaced.
                                              Not only that, we’ve seen ashura doji, cat, dog, fish and denjiro display some actual combat prowess and then we know one is a white beard commander. We know they’re strong but bc kinemon didn’t do much or have the chances to do much you assumed he sucked.

                                              Dealt with ease by law, casually dodged by Zoro, quickly dealt with by Doffly. His most impressive fight was being able to go toe to toe with Brook with a torso. It is possible to explain them away but considering his portrayal until recently it's no surprised people wouldnt exactly call him a powerhouse.

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                                                @MajinArekkusu:

                                                Stop reading so much into a fucking Oda box hyping up a character. Jesus you power levels fanfatics in this fandom are annoying.

                                                Report and put on your ignore list. Don't add fuel to the fire, or you won't be exempt from consequences.

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                                                    @Joy:

                                                    This is plain wrong. Ryo is the norm in Wano. So everyone could just hurt Kaido. But it was only Oden. Now for some reason Kinemon of all people can cut him easily. Which makes Kaidos take over of Wano just plain dumb. It also makes his near invulnerability even dumber because I just can’t see how the other Yonko and Admirals have inferior Haki to freaking Kinemon.

                                                    Oda just completely slipped on this part. This is just plain bad writing. He forgot what Kaido was supposed to be and he just comes up with whatever to make the samurai look good

                                                    Ryo is wano name for haki and if it was normal everyone would have it but they don't.
                                                    Also just because Kinemon cut him don't mean much you had him fight another yonko for a whole day .
                                                    Your are acting like these cuts doing him something .

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                                                    Dealt with ease by law, casually dodged by Zoro, quickly dealt with by Doffly. His most impressive fight was being able to go toe to toe with Brook with a torso. It is possible to explain them away but considering his portrayal until recently it's no surprised people wouldnt exactly call him a powerhouse.

                                                    Just getting hit back is not a big deal or doing a dodged .
                                                    Don hit him away when he did not even have his sword out you would hardly call that dealt with .

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                                                        I haven't been commenting as much as I'd like lately but,

                                                        If we get a full chapter of Nami & Usopp vs. Ulti & Page One then Wano immediately goes from a hit-or-miss 8-8.5 to a perfect 10.

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                                                        okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !

                                                        An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.

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                                                          I feel sorry for the Numbers. They have become incidental victims on the path to chapter 1,000. Sadly, they have not been given the chance to be fully highlighted. Nothing much the Numbers can do when matched up against Franky (Vegapunk's lasers), Luffy and Drake but be one-shotted. It would be fantastic if more substance can be given the Numbers destructive capabilities by having them matched up against opponents closer to their abilities before their eventual fall. Personally, I feel the pace is too fast for the amount of content being covered currently. Hopefully, once chapter 1,000 is reached, the events and chaos unfolding within Wano Kuni are given proper room to breathe and be showcased.

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                                                            Forget to say i hope in the next chapter Kaido finally come out of his dragon form mode .
                                                            Full creature part was always the most boring version of a zoan and even a dragon not any different when it comes to that.
                                                            Time for the club to come back .

                                                            TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .

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                                                              Loved this chapter, very satisfying. Not sure if I want Zoro teaming up with Drake just for Apoo but I guess I'll allow it for now. He does seem to have a tricky ability for melee combatants.

                                                              Back in the days of Saboady I used to think let Brook fight Apoo! Chopper fight Law! Franky VS Capone! And what ever BS shallow excuse to pair up the Straw Hats with a captain from another crew. As time went on I was like oh, those captains are on a completely different level than the crew. Now though I'm seeing things like I once did in my 20's. Luffy's crew mates could captain their own ships and could give any Super Nova a run for their money.

                                                              I feel like a lot of respect has been given to the crew when they stand next to other captains and Super Nova captains specifically. Yes I'm including Sanji as well. Sanji could handle Vergo's raw strength and agility in a way that Law couldn't, even with his magic teleporting powers. With Doflamingo the story was very different but Law's tricks just faired better against Doffy's tricks.

                                                              Jimbei probably goes without saying but side by side I never got a sense that he was any worse than Capone or Capone was leagues better than Sanji. Zoro taking the nail bullets and causing Hawkins to lose his safety dolls. Zoro defeating Killer. Sanji fending off dino Drake. And then today Zoro speaking to Drake like an equal but in reality we all know who's top tog.

                                                              Still don't think it's necessary for those two to take on Apoo but whatever. I bet because of Brook's ability he would actually be a great match up to Apoo. Apoo may have the edge but I'm sure Brook would find a way. Let the music and Long Arm relation get fleshed out!

                                                              The whole crew is ready for the Flying 6 and above. As I said earlier the Straw Hats could each captain their own crew, just like the Flying 6 used to and we will see that they are ready for those level of opponents. Same goes for Big Mom's equivalents. Ready in the sense that they are probably outclassed in many regards and would be near death but ultimately the crew would come out on top.

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                                                                Nobody is saying this, but I actually got the impression that it won't be Zoro and Drake vs Apoo alone, but another 2 vs 2 including Queen alongside Apoo.

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                                                                  Nine chapters to the big quadruple digits, and Oda working hard to get there this year as well! I hope he makes it!

                                                                  Okay, cover story, cathartic tears for the big reunion. Now can we move on to a little actual lore/story to close it out? I'm expecting either Pound's flashback to his escape from Tottoland, showing a little more of what happened to the Sun Pirates and Germa, or some surprise news about what happened in the Reverie.

                                                                  This was a good chapter for Strawhat interactions. People complain that there aren't enough scenes with the crew just hanging out since the timeskip, but honestly I've rarely felt let down by their absence. The dynamics of the crew are so well established at this point its easy to slip in little exchanges of banter among the big, plot driven scenes like this. We can still get these big personalities bouncing off each other without having to sit everyone down to do it.

                                                                  It seems like Oda might be setting up the crew-focused fights here, going more in duos rather than straight one on ones, presumably as a compromise to save time. However, I'm not going to call anything confirmed on that front until there's an Odabox stating someone VS someone. For a while now, battles haven't worked like the early-story fights where crews of half a dozen each pair off for duels. Now, they're more like, well, actual battles. Clashes are objective driven rather than opponent driven. Characters fight to capture or hold ground, buy time, do crowd control or distract a heavy hitter, and it's more important that they keep doing these things rather than chase down the foe they just blew away with one good hit to make sure he stays down for good. So you get a lot of little clashes and skirmishes, and in the grand scheme, most of them end up not being worth going to the death over. Even here, we see Ulti and Page One doing effective crowd control against the nameless samurai, so Usopp and Nami draw their attention and lead them away. Same deal with Haccha's destructive potential and Franky and Jinbe leading him outside (hey, isn't Big Mom still out there?), while Zoro and Drake focus on Apoo specifically to keep him from calling more Numbers. Queen jumps in with covering fire so Apoo can do his job. It's just not about "this is my guy I have to take out" anymore, it's all efforts towards the larger goal of the battle. There's an ebb and flow to it that I feel goes underappreciated among the desperation for more old school one-on-ones.

                                                                  And all of the above - the bigger picture of the fight - are why I'm not particularly stressed by things like Jack being fought offscreen. As much as I love seeing different abilities put to new and creative uses and different characters interact and clash, there are bigger and more exciting beats to move onto. What maybe could have used an extra panel is establishing how the mink/samurai forces are doing. It's implied that they and the pirates Jack brought have mutually destroyed each other, leaving only the Scabbards standing, but wouldn't it be good to know for sure? A lot of named minks are accounted for in the panels showing the battlefield, but Wanda is noticeably absent. I'm pretty sure that by process of elimination she's meant to be with that group rather than the ones inside the dome but she hasn't really shown up in a while.

                                                                  An interesting note in this chapter is Kaido's sympathy and understanding toward Jack. Between this and his acceptance of his son's pronouns despite loathing the reason for choosing them (hey, he's doing better than r/onepiece on that front), could Kaido actually be a good and wholesome father and captain? Uhh no, I'm gonna say no. While he has his moments of surprising humanity, he's still got a noted tendency to get out of control drunk and casually murder low-ranked members of the crew, not to mention giving Yamato regular beatings all through his childhood. (we might also include his treatment of Speed on this list, but he probably didn't have any way of knowing she was mind-controlled at the time of her betrayal) He may occasionally tell you you're not weak, but he's still a volatile powderkeg of man and its hard to imagine Yamato and the Beasts Pirates living in anything other than a constant underlying fear that they'll be the one he goes off on the next time he drinks.

                                                                  Sulong Dog and Cat look absolutely sick, and that's really all there is to say about that.

                                                                  And at the climax of the chapter, bringing us into the home stretch of volume 98, Kin cuts fire. I can't believe I didn't see this coming. It's so obvious now that it's happened. I can only imagine Oda's been planning this moment or one like it since Punk Hazard. It must feel incredible to have finally done it after all those years. Now let's keep up this intensity all the way to chapter 1000!

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                                                                    Off-Panel has always been this dark shadow realm where anything can happen.

                                                                    In fact that was basically Sanji's power for a time, go offscreen for a few chapters and come back having solved a problem.

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                                                                      Loved this chapter, very satisfying. Not sure if I want Zoro teaming up with Drake just for Apoo but I guess I'll allow it for now. He does seem to have a tricky ability for melee combatants.

                                                                      Back in the days of Saboady I used to think let Brook fight Apoo! Chopper fight Law! Franky VS Capone! And what ever BS shallow excuse to pair up the Straw Hats with a captain from another crew. As time went on I was like oh, those captains are on a completely different level than the crew. Now though I'm seeing things like I once did in my 20's. Luffy's crew mates could captain their own ships and could give any Super Nova a run for their money.

                                                                      I feel like a lot of respect has been given to the crew when they stand next to other captains and Super Nova captains specifically. Yes I'm including Sanji as well. Sanji could handle Vergo's raw strength and agility in a way that Law couldn't, even with his magic teleporting powers. With Doflamingo the story was very different but Law's tricks just faired better against Doffy's tricks.

                                                                      I could've believed this if one of Capone's minions hadn't been able to subdue both Nami and Chopper with his big meaty hands alone.

                                                                      Vito > Page One and Ulti, I guess.

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                                                                        I see almost no problem concerning power levels: Jack was always going to be pawned by Inu and Neko, and Usop+Nami vs. PayPay+Ulti is going to be hilarious.
                                                                        However, I can't understand at all how Kin'emon, a mid-level swordsman, has suddenly become able to wound Kaido, a being who took no injury from G4 Luffy and has been describe as being close to invulnerable.
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                                                                        Still does not have any problem with power levels. It´s simply a technique that is required to hurt Kaidou, once you have it, you can treat him normally as any other.
                                                                        Admittedly, it is a bit disappointing, since it turns his scales to a kind of gimmick by bypassing them like that, but it´s still consistent.
                                                                        Luffy did not lack attack power, he simply lacked the technique.

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                                                                        This 9 year old girl here had observation Haki on par with an Admiral.

                                                                        ! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/C_AnM42QoBXjhus3G_qPtoETFSgzaBehyTBOttQaCMn13Z85gfMD1rUJ44K9v4Vdih7TVCK1XLWXPTyPqxJo7dLWN9mSWA

                                                                        So the answer is: Haki does Haki things.

                                                                        If the willpower is strong enough even encounters like these are possible, and currently Kinemon and gang are willing to die for Oden's legacy. Willpower overdrive. Kaido even noted how their haki reminds him of Odens.

                                                                        (I'm not defending Haki as a concept btw, but this doesn't come out of nowhere).

                                                                        See above, your willpower cna be as strong as it can be, if you do not know how to utilize it and turn it into Advanced Armaments, it´s pointless, and surprisingly all scabbards except maybe Raizo seem to know it, hence why Kaidou says "same Ryou as Oden".

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                                                                          I haven't been commenting as much as I'd like lately but,

                                                                          If we get a full chapter of Nami & Usopp vs. Ulti & Page One then Wano immediately goes from a hit-or-miss 8-8.5 to a perfect 10.

                                                                          Dang, it's already an 8 or 8.5 with hardly any of the big moments happening yet? Impressive.

                                                                          Croc or Enel would never.

                                                                          Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.

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                                                                            Dang, it's already an 8 or 8.5 with hardly any of the big moments happening yet? Impressive.

                                                                            It would have been more like a 7 or 7.5, except "Roger Just Laughed" is a legitimate contender for my favorite moment in the series.

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                                                                              Off-Panel has always been this dark shadow realm where anything can happen.

                                                                              In fact that was basically Sanji's power for a time, go offscreen for a few chapters and come back having solved a problem.

                                                                              By Dressrosa, everybody has mastered this technique.

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                                                                                It would have been more like a 7 or 7.5, except "Roger Just Laughed" is a legitimate contender for my favorite moment in the series.

                                                                                Yeah, same. 16 characters

                                                                                Croc or Enel would never.

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                                                                                  Oda really hates Jack lol. His shining moments solely consist of not dying when he gets his ass whooped. It would be satisfying to see the Sulong duo make him eat dirt, but it can't beat a giant elephant nearly killing him. Now he just gets a panel where he flops over. And it seems almost appropriate for such a ho-hum villain like him.

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                                                                                    I can’t say I expected Kaido to be such a caring leader.

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                                                                                      I think its understandable why Oda offpanelled Jack here. Kaido makes it abundantly clear that he will recover and fight again. Hes missing his hybrid. The Mink kings have more of a vendetta against Kaido, not Jack. Its set up with the 9 scabbards fighting him.

                                                                                      I have the same feeling about Kanjuro, in the fact that hes not down yet.

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                                                                                        I can’t say I expected Kaido to be such a caring leader.

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                                                                                          That comment about the Numbers having destroyed countless towns, it kinda seems like massive foreshadowing that we're indeed changing locations back to Wano.

                                                                                          People are too happy celebrating the Fire Festival in Flower Capital. Happiness is not allowed in the New Onigashima Project.

                                                                                          Also, I like that Jinbro said Drake's name, just because the anime always goes with 'Diez', so now I can't wait to hear a Spanish word from Jinbro.

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                                                                                            Examples of Kaido being an asshole to his men and kid.

                                                                                            I have this personal theory that Oda really likes it when characters have conflicting, borderline-contradictory character traits. So having a villain that doesn't care about his lower ranks, but is protective of his upper ranks checks out to me.

                                                                                            Of course, Doffy already did that, so if Oda wants to go deeper with this angle I hope he does something to distinguish them further.

                                                                                            That said, as far as I can remember all the soldier abuse was done when Kaidou was drunk so… maybe he still cares about his lower ranks when sober?

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                                                                                              I have this personal theory that Oda really likes it when characters have conflicting, borderline-contradictory character traits. So having a villain that doesn't care about his lower ranks, but is protective of his upper ranks checks out to me.

                                                                                              Of course, Doffy already did that, so if Oda wants to go deeper with this angle I hope he does something to distinguish them further.

                                                                                              That said, as far as I can remember all the soldier abuse was done when Kaidou was drunk so… maybe he still cares about his lower ranks when sober?

                                                                                              That does seem to be it. When Kaido's drunk he knocks over lamps, glasses, etc. angrily and punches walls, but when he's sober he goes to watch his son at his baseball game.

                                                                                              Croc or Enel would never.

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                                                                                                I have this personal theory that Oda really likes it when characters have conflicting, borderline-contradictory character traits. So having a villain that doesn't care about his lower ranks, but is protective of his upper ranks checks out to me.

                                                                                                Of course, Doffy already did that, so if Oda wants to go deeper with this angle I hope he does something to distinguish them further.

                                                                                                That said, as far as I can remember all the soldier abuse was done when Kaidou was drunk so… maybe he still cares about his lower ranks when sober?

                                                                                                Or maybe the lower ranks are pretty much faceless followers for him but he has an emotional attachment to Jack since he cared for him since he was 8 years old, for two decades.

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                                                                                                  Or maybe the lower ranks are pretty much faceless followers for him but he has an emotional attachment to Jack since he cared for him since he was 8 years old, for two decades.

                                                                                                  Jack being more of a son to him than Yamato would be lowkey-hilarious. I hope this is true now.

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                                                                                                    Jack being more of a son to him than Yamato would be lowkey-hilarious. I hope this is true now.

                                                                                                    It fits since Yamato is literally a Oden fanboy and harbors the same ideals, whereas Jack seems to be mini Kaidou.

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                                                                                                      I have this personal theory that Oda really likes it when characters have conflicting, borderline-contradictory character traits. So having a villain that doesn't care about his lower ranks, but is protective of his upper ranks checks out to me.

                                                                                                      Of course, Doffy already did that, so if Oda wants to go deeper with this angle I hope he does something to distinguish them further.

                                                                                                      That said, as far as I can remember all the soldier abuse was done when Kaidou was drunk so… maybe he still cares about his lower ranks when sober?

                                                                                                      Yeah, definitely. The way I see Kaido at the minute is like an alcoholic father who is - when sober and in public - supportive of his family, but behind closed doors gets blackout drunk and beats one of them up every few months. Maybe you appreciate his good side when he's showing it, but you can't shake the knowledge that the other side is in there somewhere, and you don't know when it's going to explode again. It's good characterization, but we've seen enough of the asshole side for me to cock an eyebrow at anyone describing his as caring.

                                                                                                      I can definitely see the similarity to Doflamingo. I think the subtle difference is that when Doffy sacrificed his lower ranks it felt more calculated than emotional, the exception being the ones who were killed for making fun of Pica. Whereas Kaido, like you said, gets drunk and takes out his own feelings on whoever's standing closest in a much more random and volatile way. I don't know if we've seen enough to say Kaido really cares about anyone other than his elites when sober, but he doesn't seem to surprise murder them unless he's been drinking.

                                                                                                      I'm most interested in learning a little more about what his underlings actually think about him. We know already that the Beasts Pirates are a hyper-competitive meritocracy bound more by respect for strength than actual loyalty, so how much of the crew scurries away from their captain in fear? How many secretly hate him and will turn coat as soon as he's overpowered? Who genuinely thinks they could beat him and take his place and what is their plan for getting there? Is there anything in his past that does justify the loyalty of his inner circle? The answers to those questions could go a long way for making Kaido and his relationships with the people around him feel more fleshed out.

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                                                                                                        I'm gonna go ahead and repost what Robby said here, because the constant bashing of the story and each other has to stop:

                                                                                                        So basically we can only post good things about the series ?

                                                                                                        I;ve never thrown simple one liners. I give my reasons for why I think the series currently isn't good. That doesn;t make me a troll as you guys say.

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                                                                                                        This isn't wrong at all. Ryo isn't the norm in Wano, it's the end goal for Samurai training their haki. Yes there are a bunch of Samurai who have mastered it but just because you have Ryo doesn't mean anything if you can't hit Kaido with it. You have to be strong and a skilled fighter as well, which Oden was.

                                                                                                        You also have to consider that the two time's we've actually seen the Akazaya 9 hurt Kaido he was caught off guard. One was an ambush and the other is now when Kaido wasn't expecting Kinemon to cut his fire breath.

                                                                                                        Also you've acted like they've defeated Kaido when all they did was stab him a little and given him a tiny scratch on his lip. That is nothing like Oden's deep scars and nothing compared to the 100+ sword wounds Whitebeard took.

                                                                                                        Also also, as others pointed out, the Marines have captured Kaido numerous times and Big Mom clearly feels she is on his level and fought him 1-on-1. Your acting like no one has ever hurt Kaido in his entire life other than Oden, which is just not true. Oden gave him a scar but Akainu did the same thing to Luffy, and Akainu isn't the only character in the series to ever hurt Luffy.

                                                                                                        It's not the end goal. Old man Hyo never presented it as such. So again basically, Kaido's takeover of Wano after recent chapters doesn't make sense. The samurai could have defeated him easily.

                                                                                                        Kaido hasn't even hurt them, the scabbards have hurt him twice and stopped his attack. Kaido is failing massively right now. He is outclassed.

                                                                                                        Also why are you guys bringing Kaido's captures as a mean to downplay him ? Those exploits of Kaido weren't events to downplay him. Oda used them to hype him. You know this guy gets captured by the marines but he always survives and escapes.

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